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(CNSNews)   A compelling argument against Obama's executive order on immigration: "America is a nation of laws...to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with (the) role as president"   (cnsnews.com) divider line 167
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2012-06-18 05:54:12 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: It was a disingenuous ploy, but as transparent and sketchy as it is, there really isn't much recourse except the election. I doubt seriously if it has a negative impact since anyone who would defend this in the slightest would have voted for him anyway.


Yep. The whole "ends justify the means" and/or "it's the right thing to do regardless" crowd already have their hands on the "O" lever at the voting booth.

And the people who are already convinced that Obama is a borderline despot already running wild with abuses of power left and right weren;t going to vote for him with or without this latest politicla stunt.

That being said, I am starting to get the sense that he may be slowly eroding his own trustability with non-commited voters. Even among my friends who optimistically voted for him last time, there is a lot more bullshiat scent when it comes to Obama.Even when they agree with what he's trying to do, they are increasingly saying that he's doing it wrong. And they aren't yet convinced that Romney is Bush v 3.0. AT best, some of them are just planning to sit it out.

I think this election will be a lot closer than a lot of people think. Obama is going to have to win without the groundswell of support he got last time, and without the massive spending advantage he had last time. He will also have to counter a track record of mediocre results at best, and (right or wrong) the constant refrain of "It's the republican's fault" doesn't seem to be gaining him any support he didn't already have. Even among my friends who voted for him, there is a growing sense of excuse making. As one of my buddies put it "We knew it would be a tough job in a shiatstorm. I didn't vote for him to TRY. I voted for him to DO and he hasn't done. My boss would fire me if I had tried and failed to accomplish so many of my job functions."

Obama may find himself in the same boat as George H. Bush.
 
2012-06-18 05:55:45 PM  

nickelni: 3_Butt_Cheeks: He already had the latino vote anyway. Hopefully independents will look at this weaksauce temporary election year amnesty with the contempt it deserves. Calling it "prosecutorial discretion" is cute, but reasonable people know exactly what it is, and why it was done now.

Why was it done now?


Think "November".

So, why do you think he did it now?
 
2012-06-18 05:56:57 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: 3_Butt_Cheeks: It was a disingenuous ploy, but as transparent and sketchy as it is, there really isn't much recourse except the election. I doubt seriously if it has a negative impact since anyone who would defend this in the slightest would have voted for him anyway.

Yep. The whole "ends justify the means" and/or "it's the right thing to do regardless" crowd already have their hands on the "O" lever at the voting booth.

And the people who are already convinced that Obama is a borderline despot already running wild with abuses of power left and right weren;t going to vote for him with or without this latest politicla stunt.

That being said, I am starting to get the sense that he may be slowly eroding his own trustability with non-commited voters. Even among my friends who optimistically voted for him last time, there is a lot more bullshiat scent when it comes to Obama.Even when they agree with what he's trying to do, they are increasingly saying that he's doing it wrong. And they aren't yet convinced that Romney is Bush v 3.0. AT best, some of them are just planning to sit it out.

I think this election will be a lot closer than a lot of people think. Obama is going to have to win without the groundswell of support he got last time, and without the massive spending advantage he had last time. He will also have to counter a track record of mediocre results at best, and (right or wrong) the constant refrain of "It's the republican's fault" doesn't seem to be gaining him any support he didn't already have. Even among my friends who voted for him, there is a growing sense of excuse making. As one of my buddies put it "We knew it would be a tough job in a shiatstorm. I didn't vote for him to TRY. I voted for him to DO and he hasn't done. My boss would fire me if I had tried and failed to accomplish so many of my job functions."

Obama may find himself in the same boat as George H. Bush.


Amazing. You never post anything but concern trolling and just about everything might be bad for Obama.
 
2012-06-18 05:57:33 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: nickelni: 3_Butt_Cheeks: He already had the latino vote anyway. Hopefully independents will look at this weaksauce temporary election year amnesty with the contempt it deserves. Calling it "prosecutorial discretion" is cute, but reasonable people know exactly what it is, and why it was done now.

Why was it done now?

Think "November".

So, why do you think he did it now?


Maybe you should check out the parts he bolded moran.
 
2012-06-18 05:58:34 PM  
If Bubba vs. Jose lawn care puts out a proper lawn care then Bubba v. Jose can both compete with the same people whose lawn care is subject to the Supreme Court's landmark 1938 decision in Bubba vs. Jose. An independent arbitration must be any end result of Bubba and/or Jose's respective lawn care concerns. Simply put, to a matter of greater complexity, why in the fark is Bubba and Jose?
 
2012-06-18 05:59:25 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: nickelni: 3_Butt_Cheeks: He already had the latino vote anyway. Hopefully independents will look at this weaksauce temporary election year amnesty with the contempt it deserves. Calling it "prosecutorial discretion" is cute, but reasonable people know exactly what it is, and why it was done now.

Why was it done now?

Think "November".

So, why do you think he did it now?


I was asking you because you stated: He already had the latino vote anyway.
 
2012-06-18 06:04:23 PM  

nickelni: 3_Butt_Cheeks: nickelni: 3_Butt_Cheeks: He already had the latino vote anyway. Hopefully independents will look at this weaksauce temporary election year amnesty with the contempt it deserves. Calling it "prosecutorial discretion" is cute, but reasonable people know exactly what it is, and why it was done now.

Why was it done now?

Think "November".

So, why do you think he did it now?

I was asking you because you stated: He already had the latino vote anyway.


He has the majority. In states (think electoral votes) where he needs a boost, the latino vote could make a big difference.

Ok, your turn.
 
2012-06-18 06:33:50 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks:
He has the majority. In states (think electoral votes) where he needs a boost, the latino vote could make a big difference.

Ok, your turn.


Thanks for the clarification. Wonder why Republicans didn't think of doing this.
 
2012-06-18 07:19:16 PM  
Don't like it? File a suit. That's how a "nation of laws" does things.
 
2012-06-18 07:25:54 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: 3_Butt_Cheeks: It was a disingenuous ploy, but as transparent and sketchy as it is, there really isn't much recourse except the election. I doubt seriously if it has a negative impact since anyone who would defend this in the slightest would have voted for him anyway.

Yep. The whole "ends justify the means" and/or "it's the right thing to do regardless" crowd already have their hands on the "O" lever at the voting booth.

And the people who are already convinced that Obama is a borderline despot already running wild with abuses of power left and right weren;t going to vote for him with or without this latest politicla stunt.

That being said, I am starting to get the sense that he may be slowly eroding his own trustability with non-commited voters. Even among my friends who optimistically voted for him last time, there is a lot more bullshiat scent when it comes to Obama.Even when they agree with what he's trying to do, they are increasingly saying that he's doing it wrong. And they aren't yet convinced that Romney is Bush v 3.0. AT best, some of them are just planning to sit it out.

I think this election will be a lot closer than a lot of people think. Obama is going to have to win without the groundswell of support he got last time, and without the massive spending advantage he had last time. He will also have to counter a track record of mediocre results at best, and (right or wrong) the constant refrain of "It's the republican's fault" doesn't seem to be gaining him any support he didn't already have. Even among my friends who voted for him, there is a growing sense of excuse making. As one of my buddies put it "We knew it would be a tough job in a shiatstorm. I didn't vote for him to TRY. I voted for him to DO and he hasn't done. My boss would fire me if I had tried and failed to accomplish so many of my job functions."

Obama may find himself in the same boat as George H. Bush.


We are June. The groundswell she is a coming. It will be part OWS, party Latino and it will be 100% fabulous. Obama is highly organized and just so long as the slow recovery chugs along or just stalls, he will win. If the gains reverse (double-dip recession) it could be close.
 
2012-06-18 07:55:38 PM  
Brent Bozell's blog sucks...
 
2012-06-18 08:31:25 PM  

draa: I've been amazed at your transformation bro. I just wonder of how many other conservatives like you have left the GOP? They should be very afraid because it's losing people it can't afford to lose. Like you and Weaver95. Considering how bad they've become I can fully understand. The GOP is no place for the sane.


I don't think it's so much a transformation, as the deplorable state of the party at this point. It's been listing for some time, but when the party pulled the Wing Nut Brigade from the edges, and drew them into the center, along with the craziest of the Religious Right, it is forcing folks to reconsider party. I would have loved to have seen 2000's version of McCain make it through the Primary, but he didn't, and instead, we got Quayle 2.0, and that emboldened folks. In 2008, McCain got my vote in the Primary, but he lost it in the general, because he had clearly lost his damn mind. And not with the choice of Palin as a running mate--though, she was certainly a symptom of his problems.

When Obama got into office, it kicked into high gear. The Modern Whigs looked like they might be a viable party, but then we got Fox News to back the TEA Party, and that possible saving of fiscally Conservative policy--as opposed to the radical Voodoo Economics folks that Grover Norquist and his lot love--was derailed. I still think that the Modern Whigs probably have the best platform over all--much as Johnson talks a good game, his economic policy is still chock full of flat tax nonsense.

The TEA Party is symptomatic. The party has abandoned anything looking like good Conservative policy, but likes to brand this radicalism that really despises the Constitution and a fair amount of their fellow citizens, and likes to paint their bile as "Patriotism" is an issue. It has poisoned the well, and we are just not seeing anything looking like intelligent debate now. And that saddens me, because good folks are being replaced by radicalized zealots, and that is not good for the party, and it's not good for the nation.

The party left me some time ago, and I stuck it out, trying to bring it back. But the GOP has embraced the worst elements of the fringe, and made them their solid base. And worse, monied interests have seen to it that they massage the egos of morons, telling them what Brave Pioneers they are, and sadly, a good many of these simple farmers. these people of the land...the common clay of the New West are voting straight up against their own interests, and cheering wildly because someone said "y'all" poorly.

Boils down to a basic lack of respect for their countrymen, and that is what offends me about what Fox News has transformed itself into. Not just a propaganda arm, not just a biased source, but that it is so clumsily boorish about it. It's gone to a full echo chamber, and that is exactly what is necessary to keep the rubes in line, and there is no room for dissent, or discussion within the party. No middle ground, no Big Tent, just narrow interests looking to get folks shouting louder--because so long as they're shouting loudly, they aren't asking the questions of how we managed to get into so many messes...
 
2012-06-18 09:24:49 PM  

Demetrius: That would pretty much be the same for executive orders issued by and also for "signing statements".


But that was a white guy.
 
2012-06-18 09:59:32 PM  

Weaver95: look, if you want to complain about abuses of power and authority - then lets quit messing around and repeal the gotdamn patriot act and make cannabis schedule IVlegal.


FTFY.
 
2012-06-18 10:15:21 PM  

lordaction: The left doesn't care about the rule of law. History shows us the only place it ends is totalitarianism. How is this surprising. Cue liberals to say "But we are going to do it different this time.."


So is the sky pink in your world?
 
2012-06-18 11:18:47 PM  

Brostorm: ghare: tudorgurl: Brostorm: She is the Mexican governments responsibly. Mexico has an equivalent of child protective services, Taking care of your own citizens is the responsibility of any government.

That's your answer? Really? THAT?

How farking Christian of you.

If Mexico had a functional government, we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem at all to speak of.

Mexico DOES have a functioning government.


Having been there, Mexico does have a government... but to call it functioning is quite a stretch... they're so corrupt it somehow makes our side of the border seem clean. Either way, deporting people who grew up in the US and know no other home just seems pretty morally farked up... but new jesus is all about the bling bling and the bang bang and not so much with all that love thy neighbor crap.
 
2012-06-19 01:28:01 AM  
Cool, because this totally means we're getting rid of that POS called the Faith-based Initiative, right?
 
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