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(NYPost)   In a harsh power play, Devils owner may be iced out of his own franchise by the NHL   (nypost.com) divider line 102
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2012-06-18 01:45:17 PM  

ontariolightning: Atlanta Thrashers have been Winnipeg Jets for a year
Where have you been?


what I did there...
 
2012-06-18 01:46:08 PM  
Also, that story that OntarioLightning is quoting from Forbes speaks of the mysterious "sources", in other words, a catch-all a reporter can use to get clicks and start controversy and not have to answer for it!
 
2012-06-18 01:48:18 PM  

LineNoise: ontariolightning: LineNoise: Anyway, it will be interesting how things play out for the devil's if the Isles end up at Barclay's. That is going to poach a very sizeable percentage of their, "well, I want to see a hockey game but don't want to pay for rangers tickets" crowd.

now I don't know what the agreement the devil's and rangers have with the league for exclusivity in the region, but knowing bettman, I could see a league takeover of the devils as something they try and do so the devil's don't cause any headaches with an isles move to barclays.

Devils and Islanders could be moved to Canada and I doubt more than a thousand people would be heartbroken over it. NYI have had one of the worst attendance and merch records since the lockout

I really can't blame Isles fans. The Colosseum is a dump. It was a dump the last time I was there 15 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now. They have't put a product on the ice in years that would make anyone who didn't live right by that place want to go see them.

Which is the biggest problem they are having. They pretty much have killed off most of their fanbase, as evident by the county doing absolutely nothing to try and keep them there. The only way that team survives in this area is if they pull a Nets and go to barclays. It would be an entirely new story for them then. But I think that would really bone the devils, as now the casual fan or someone who wants to like hockey but not the rangers will have an alternative, which the isles aren't today.

People like to think of the isles as having this connection to NYC today, but they really don't. I know people who have lived here their whole life and the furthest they have been out on long island is queens. Hell, i don't think you can even take a train or bus to an Isles game without having to transfer a few times.


The Isles have legit star players, Matt Moulson, John Tavares, Michael Grabner, Parenteau, Streit
they need a reliable goalie and a few strong d men.. I think they will be a tough group to play against if the management wants them to be

The Colosseum is a dump though, I've seen the pictures
 
2012-06-18 01:50:00 PM  

MattyFridays: Also, that story that OntarioLightning is quoting from Forbes speaks of the mysterious "sources", in other words, a catch-all a reporter can use to get clicks and start controversy and not have to answer for it!


Forbes has more integrity than to use bad intelligence just to create controversy

You also haven't told me what the hold up is if the Jamison Group has the funds?
 
2012-06-18 01:53:52 PM  

Flappyhead: Renegade Pervert:
FTFY, Firestone just founded the team, ended up turning over the reins before their first puck drop I believe.

Anyways yea you are right, the Sens had a couple few prospective owners for the franchise lined up so it was a bit of a different situation.

Bryden did have a crazy financial plan to keep the team but wasn't able to see it through.

I remember that. It was part of a partnership with some drink mogul from NYC and built around a bunch of tax shelters/exemptions. I remember reading about the details and telling a Sens fan co-worker "Melnyk is getting the team, no way something this complicated gets greenlit."


Ha, forgot about the drink mogul... My old CFO worked on Bryden's plan, she said it was an optimistic idea but really a house of cards

Melnyk ended up getting the Sens and the arena for a song in the end. Hats off the NHL for being proactive to keep their franchises up and running when this crap happens. I don't know how far away teams like Tampa, Florida, and Anahiem are from some financial hardships. But if they have an owner who is willing to eat the losses who really cares.
 
2012-06-18 01:55:30 PM  

ontariolightning: MattyFridays: Also, that story that OntarioLightning is quoting from Forbes speaks of the mysterious "sources", in other words, a catch-all a reporter can use to get clicks and start controversy and not have to answer for it!

Forbes has more integrity than to use bad intelligence just to create controversy


Hah!


Wait... you're serious?

You also haven't told me what the hold up is if the Jamison Group has the funds?

The Goldwater Institute challenge, for one.
 
2012-06-18 01:56:00 PM  

Doc Daneeka: I don't think a second Scouts era is likely though, because I think a few other cities are higher on the league's priority list.


I think KC is an awful destination for a team, arena be damned. I was mostly being a smart-ass. Though it would be funny if KC got that franchise back.
 
2012-06-18 01:57:36 PM  

LineNoise: Hell, i don't think you can even take a train or bus to an Isles game without having to transfer a few times.


I've done it before.

You have to take LIRR train to the Hempstead station, which is a few miles (not walking distance) to the Coliseum. Then you have to transfer onto a bus, which drops you off on the opposite side of an extremely busy thoroughfare from the Coliseum. It's complicated, inconvenient, and it takes forever.

Poor transit access is one of the Islanders' major problems. Having the worst arena in the NHL and generally uncompetitive teams are the others. If they're unwilling or unable to build a new arena on Long Island, I really think the best thing for them to do is move to Brooklyn.
 
2012-06-18 01:59:00 PM  

MattyFridays:
The Goldwater Institute challenge, for one.


No, that is bullshiat.It would actually HELP the Jamison Groups case to buy the team if they do not wait for the Goldwater Institutes Challenge. All of this waiting is just making it seem less likely.
 
2012-06-18 02:00:28 PM  
Bettman's contempt for Canada is disturbing considering 56 % of league revenue comes from Canadians.
 
2012-06-18 02:01:04 PM  

LineNoise: I really can't blame Isles fans. The Colosseum is a dump. It was a dump the last time I was there 15 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now. They have't put a product on the ice in years that would make anyone who didn't live right by that place want to go see them.

Which is the biggest problem they are having. They pretty much have killed off most of their fanbase, as evident by the county doing absolutely nothing to try and keep them there. The only way that team survives in this area is if they pull a Nets and go to barclays. It would be an entirely new story for them then. But I think that would really bone the devils, as now the casual fan or someone who wants to like hockey but not the rangers will have an alternative, which the isles aren't today


The losing has been horrendous and it's been hard. That said, the Isles have actually made an effort to do something about the arena. Specifically, they made a 10-year effort to do something about it, and their first plan required no taxpayer dollars. It was the local government that blocked it. Look up the story behind the Lighthouse project. Sh*t, you can barely build a fast food joint here without people going nuts, let alone redevelop the whole area around the Coliseum.

The issue with Barclays is that the hockey seating setup is less than ideal. Though as weird as it is, I think it's workable enough and certainly better than letting the team move out of the area. Unless Long Island comes up with something last-minute before the Coliseum lease expires in 2015. Given the aforementioned local government I doubt that they will.
 
2012-06-18 02:10:25 PM  

FreakinB:
The issue with Barclays is that the hockey seating setup is less than ideal. Though as weird as it is, I think it's workable enough and certainly better than letting the team move out of the area. Unless Long Island comes up with something last-minute before the Coliseum lease expires in 2015. Given the aforementioned local government I doubt that they will.


Yea, because the place wasn't built with hockey in mind. But you are telling me if you landed a hockey team in there with a 10 or 20 year lease, the cash wouldn't pop up to reconfigure it a bit better for hockey if it means a few thousand extra seats and some luxury boxes?
 
2012-06-18 02:10:35 PM  

Doc Daneeka: LineNoise: Hell, i don't think you can even take a train or bus to an Isles game without having to transfer a few times.

I've done it before.

You have to take LIRR train to the Hempstead station, which is a few miles (not walking distance) to the Coliseum. Then you have to transfer onto a bus, which drops you off on the opposite side of an extremely busy thoroughfare from the Coliseum. It's complicated, inconvenient, and it takes forever.

Poor transit access is one of the Islanders' major problems. Having the worst arena in the NHL and generally uncompetitive teams are the others. If they're unwilling or unable to build a new arena on Long Island, I really think the best thing for them to do is move to Brooklyn.


Yup. Uniondale isn't so bad for me since I'm from 10-15 minutes away, but even coming from a lot of places on Long Island is a biatch since the train is nowhere close. I think Barclays would actually be easier for a lot of Long Island fans than the Coliseum is, just because of the trains.

/Unless you're on the Port Washington line. Then you're farked
 
2012-06-18 02:10:56 PM  

MattyFridays: Also, that story that OntarioLightning is quoting from Forbes speaks of the mysterious "sources", in other words, a catch-all a reporter can use to get clicks and start controversy and not have to answer for it!


Yes, 90% of the time, unnamed sources are really just the voices inside a reporter's head. I've heard a local TV reporter say stuff to that affect before.

As for the Islanders, they have a far stronger case to move than anyone because of their building. But Barclays is a crappy idea. Trust me, I know.
 
2012-06-18 02:12:31 PM  

ontariolightning: Bettman's contempt for Canada is disturbing considering 56 % of league revenue comes from Canadians.


Where do you get the idea he has contempt for Canada? More likely, he hardly thinks about the teams there. After Winnipeg's first game back I bet he hasn't thought about that team since.
 
2012-06-18 02:13:23 PM  

ontariolightning: Bettman's contempt for Canada is disturbing considering 56 % of league revenue comes from Canadians.


I know, it's shocking that the commissioner of a league where the sport in question already has an exceptionally large footprint in one particular country is trying hard to grow it elsewhere.
 
2012-06-18 02:13:59 PM  

desertgeek: MattyFridays: Also, that story that OntarioLightning is quoting from Forbes speaks of the mysterious "sources", in other words, a catch-all a reporter can use to get clicks and start controversy and not have to answer for it!

Yes, 90% of the time, unnamed sources are really just the voices inside a reporter's head. I've heard a local TV reporter say stuff to that affect before.

As for the Islanders, they have a far stronger case to move than anyone because of their building. But Barclays is a crappy idea. Trust me, I know.


NYi aren't subsidizing their arena. I think paying over 300 million in 10 years in tax payers money in a city where its already in major debt cause of the subsidizing of a sports arena is worse than just a crappy arena to go watch hockey in
 
2012-06-18 02:15:40 PM  
I take anything the NY Post says about the Devils with a grain of salt. They have a habit of citing unnamed sources to talk trash on the Devils every opportunity they get and it's often total BS.

Also, the attendance thing gets too much attention. The Devils have high ticket prices as they have a very affluent fanbase, so the revenue is probably even. And they rank #7 of 22 teams for # households watching on TV so they have a very good TV contract.
(Check puck the media)

Bet you didn't know that. The bankruptcy has everything to do with the arena financing and nothing to do with attendance or TV viewership.
 
2012-06-18 02:17:50 PM  

Moosecakes: I take anything the NY Post says about the Devils with a grain of salt. They have a habit of citing unnamed sources to talk trash on the Devils every opportunity they get and it's often total BS.

Also, the attendance thing gets too much attention. The Devils have high ticket prices as they have a very affluent fanbase, so the revenue is probably even. And they rank #7 of 22 teams for # households watching on TV so they have a very good TV contract.
(Check puck the media)

Bet you didn't know that. The bankruptcy has everything to do with the arena financing and nothing to do with attendance or TV viewership.


And in addition to this, the Devils ranked #10 in the league for revenue tied with Calgary, according to Forbes.

So yeah stop talking about attendance, idiots. It's poor management and that's it.
 
2012-06-18 02:19:13 PM  

LineNoise: FreakinB:
The issue with Barclays is that the hockey seating setup is less than ideal. Though as weird as it is, I think it's workable enough and certainly better than letting the team move out of the area. Unless Long Island comes up with something last-minute before the Coliseum lease expires in 2015. Given the aforementioned local government I doubt that they will.

Yea, because the place wasn't built with hockey in mind. But you are telling me if you landed a hockey team in there with a 10 or 20 year lease, the cash wouldn't pop up to reconfigure it a bit better for hockey if it means a few thousand extra seats and some luxury boxes?


No, it would be impossible. Not that Prokorov cares. They'll get plenty of concerts to make up the slack.
 
2012-06-18 02:24:19 PM  
Sources, btw. They're from 2010 but the most current you'll be able to find reliably:
Revenue and valuation from 2010:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/31/hockey-valuations-10_New-Jersey-D e vils_313149.html
Devils are now #11 with $104 million in revenue. $38 million of that is in gate receipts, which is only $6 million behind Pittsburgh, and ahead of Washington by $1 million.


TV ratings from 2010:
http://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/your-final-nhl-local-tv- r atings-and-viewership-rankings-in-the-us/
Devils rank at #7 in the US at 43,000 households, behind Boston and 6,000 ahead of Washington.


So where are all the haters talking about how Washington is such a weak market?
 
2012-06-18 02:35:20 PM  

carnifex2005: LineNoise: FreakinB:
The issue with Barclays is that the hockey seating setup is less than ideal. Though as weird as it is, I think it's workable enough and certainly better than letting the team move out of the area. Unless Long Island comes up with something last-minute before the Coliseum lease expires in 2015. Given the aforementioned local government I doubt that they will.

Yea, because the place wasn't built with hockey in mind. But you are telling me if you landed a hockey team in there with a 10 or 20 year lease, the cash wouldn't pop up to reconfigure it a bit better for hockey if it means a few thousand extra seats and some luxury boxes?

No, it would be impossible. Not that Prokorov cares. They'll get plenty of concerts to make up the slack.


It just seems crazy they would build that place without thinking, "Hey, maybe we want a little extra space on the floor just in case we want to entertain the notion of another sport without having to rebuild the joint"

I mean a hockey rink isn't THAT much bigger, and countless other arenas do it just fine.
 
2012-06-18 02:36:43 PM  
 
2012-06-18 02:40:15 PM  

LineNoise: carnifex2005: LineNoise: FreakinB:
The issue with Barclays is that the hockey seating setup is less than ideal. Though as weird as it is, I think it's workable enough and certainly better than letting the team move out of the area. Unless Long Island comes up with something last-minute before the Coliseum lease expires in 2015. Given the aforementioned local government I doubt that they will.

Yea, because the place wasn't built with hockey in mind. But you are telling me if you landed a hockey team in there with a 10 or 20 year lease, the cash wouldn't pop up to reconfigure it a bit better for hockey if it means a few thousand extra seats and some luxury boxes?

No, it would be impossible. Not that Prokorov cares. They'll get plenty of concerts to make up the slack.

It just seems crazy they would build that place without thinking, "Hey, maybe we want a little extra space on the floor just in case we want to entertain the notion of another sport without having to rebuild the joint"

I mean a hockey rink isn't THAT much bigger, and countless other arenas do it just fine.


The problem is that the original design was able to have a hockey arena seating 17 to 18 k in it but the design was changed because the original owner of the project was running out of money and a cheaper version that was basketball and concert specific was created. Even then the original owner still was running out of money so after it broke ground and everything was approved that Prokorov stepped in and bought the entire project. By that time it was too late to change the plans and get it approved all over again. It was a bit of a clusterfark.
 
2012-06-18 02:48:28 PM  

mainstreet62: This biatch singlehandedly destroyed the Devils.(possibly NSFWish)


Stop giving her attention. Even negative attention.
 
2012-06-18 02:54:33 PM  
www.celebrities.com
 
2012-06-18 02:55:19 PM  

MugzyBrown: Then factor in the fact that most people in NJ don't live within 30 minutes of a train and most people don't want to drive and walk around in Newark and you're left with empty seats



Really?

Link
 
2012-06-18 02:55:55 PM  

Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.


Except that the NHL already did. It was operating the Dallas Stars while dealing with the Coyotes situation until last year. The Devils situation would be the same - the league doesn't own the team, but it operates it and will facilitate a sale.

As was probably mentioned, and was likely lost underneath OntarioLightning's trolling, the issue for the Devils' owner is unmanageable debt due to building the arena. The market itself generates sufficient revenue to operate the club otherwise.
 
2012-06-18 03:09:47 PM  

JK47: MugzyBrown: Then factor in the fact that most people in NJ don't live within 30 minutes of a train and most people don't want to drive and walk around in Newark and you're left with empty seats


Really?

Link


Yeah Really. I lived in Jersey for about 20 years.

If you live more than 5 miles from a station in the highly populated areas, it's probably going to take you 30min to get to a station, park.

Ever try to drive around around 5:30-6, which is when you'd need to catch the train to get to Newark?
 
2012-06-18 03:19:01 PM  

MugzyBrown: JK47: MugzyBrown: Then factor in the fact that most people in NJ don't live within 30 minutes of a train and most people don't want to drive and walk around in Newark and you're left with empty seats


Really?

Link

Yeah Really. I lived in Jersey for about 20 years.

If you live more than 5 miles from a station in the highly populated areas, it's probably going to take you 30min to get to a station, park.

Ever try to drive around around 5:30-6, which is when you'd need to catch the train to get to Newark?


Park? Good farking luck with that. Get on the 3 to 30 year wait list.
 
2012-06-18 04:10:39 PM  
The Devils never did well attendance wise.....probably never better then 17th in the league.

Moving to Newark doesn't help.....theres a stigma attached to that name...just like Harlem, or Compton.

Newark used to be the car jacking capital of the world...it might still be.

Newarks barely worth going to for some good rodizio....and rodizio > hockey.
 
2012-06-18 05:05:03 PM  
Hartford Devils
 
2012-06-18 05:15:56 PM  
In a perfect world.

Coyotes -> Quebec
BlueJackets -> Seattle
Predators -> Toronto (2nd team)
Devils, Islanders, Panthers - stay put
 
2012-06-18 05:20:43 PM  

Giltric: The Devils never did well attendance wise.....probably never better then 17th in the league.

Moving to Newark doesn't help.....theres a stigma attached to that name...just like Harlem, or Compton.

Newark used to be the car jacking capital of the world...it might still be.

Newarks barely worth going to for some good rodizio....and rodizio > hockey.


That is the thing I'm arguing though, the team is failing to point out otherwise. And since they are dicking the city over, there isn't much incentive for Newark to try and say otherwise either.

The hard to get to, parking, and cost arguments aren't true. The fact that their own fans say this just makes the issue worse. Its easy to get to the Rock, be it by car or mass transit. Easier than it was for most people to get to the meadowlands. There is plenty of parking, and in most cases, it is cheaper than it was at the meadowlands. The area is safe and there is plenty to do, especially compared to the meadowlands.

The team should be working out deals with neighboring restaurants, selling stuff like dinner and a game packages, even if its at a slight loss, just to build fan interest. Run a commerical or two saying, "hey, look how easy it is to park here, oh, and its also a 3 block walk from pretty much any train in NJ, and only 30 minutes from NYC, at half the price of a rangers game!"

Also, and this is the most important thing, bring back the red headed dancer. I'm not a redhead fan myself, but holy crap was she hot.
 
2012-06-18 05:25:33 PM  

Giltric: Newark used to be the car jacking capital of the world...it might still be.


Hardly.
Crime has gone down drastically in Newark over the past decade, and even moreso once Booker replaced the Criminal-in-Chief Sharpe James.

You are right though that Newark still suffers (unfairly) from a poor image, and I'm certain that hurts attendance. I'm not sure that's the main problem though.

Metro New York has a ton of people for sure, but it's lukewarm at best towards hockey and it's tough supporting three franchises.
Hell if I were to rank overall Metro New York fan base enthusiasm, I'd list it:

1. Yankees
2. Giants
3. Jets
4. Mets
5. Rangers
6. Knicks
7. Islanders
8. Red Bulls
9. Devils
10. Nets
 
2012-06-18 05:32:36 PM  

The Bestest: Metro New York has a ton of people for sure, but it's lukewarm at best towards hockey and it's tough supporting three franchises.
Hell if I were to rank overall Metro New York fan base enthusiasm, I'd list it:


You've got to reverse the Knicks and Rangers. Nobody is a bigger Rangers fan than I am, but there's a reason the Knicks are on MSG and the Rangers get moved to MSG2 on nights when they both play at the same time.
 
2012-06-18 05:36:38 PM  

Decillion: In a perfect world.

Coyotes -> Quebec
BlueJackets -> Seattle
Predators -> Toronto (2nd team)
Devils, Islanders, Panthers - stay put


And in a perfect world Jeremy Jacobs wouldn't own the concession stands in half of those teams buildings.
 
2012-06-18 05:37:19 PM  

Decillion: In a perfect world.

Coyotes -> Quebec
BlueJackets -> Seattle
Predators -> Toronto (2nd team)
Devils, Islanders, Panthers - stay put


Stupidest comment ever, just for the Preds part. Nashville damn near sells out every game and has the best atmosphere of any arena in a southern market. If there's ANY team that shouldn't move, it's the Preds.
 
2012-06-18 05:39:53 PM  

Decillion: In a perfect world.

Coyotes -> Quebec
BlueJackets -> Seattle
Predators -> Toronto (2nd team)
Devils, Islanders, Panthers - stay put


Disagree with most of this.

Nashville seems like a good market with a fanbase that's really taken to the team. They've had some bad ownership, but if that is straightened out, they should be fine.

And Columbus was and is still a good idea. It just makes sense for the NHL to have a presence in Ohio. Ohio is a major northern state of more than 11 million people. Columbus is the largest city in Ohio and growing, has no other major pro sports to compete with, only Ohio State football. The Blue Jackets' problems aren't due to their location - they're because they team has never been good ever, and hasn't had any real chance to build a fanbase.
 
2012-06-18 05:49:49 PM  

The Bestest: Hell if I were to rank overall Metro New York fan base enthusiasm, I'd list it:

1. Yankees
2. Giants
3. Jets
4. Mets
5. Rangers
6. Knicks
7. Islanders
8. Red Bulls
9. Devils
10. Nets


I would say:

Yankees
Giants
Jets
Mets
Knicks
Rangers
Islanders
Devils
Nets
US Open tennis (a big deal here a year)
NYC Marathon (likewise)
Belmont Stakes (likewise, but less so)
Mexican league soccer
European soccer leagues
Rutgers football
St. John's basketball
Brooklyn Cyclones
Staten Island Yankees
Liberty
Red Bulls

Come on...no one gives a crap about the Red Bulls. Not even the soccer fans.
 
2012-06-18 05:55:02 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Come on...no one gives a crap about the Red Bulls. Not even the soccer fans


I'm not a soccer fan, and I'm certainly not saying the Red Bulls are a huge deal here, but they draw 20k a game. I'd put them slightly below the Isles/Devils/Nets.

It's also funny how college is such a small deal here compared to most of the rest of the country. That said, I'd put Syracuse on the list as well.
 
2012-06-18 06:05:38 PM  

robsul82: Take the team from Jeff Vanderbeek and give it to James Van Der Beek. Problem solved.


But then he'd move the team to Bc
 
2012-06-18 06:09:19 PM  

thisiszombocom: robsul82: Take the team from Jeff Vanderbeek and give it to James Van Der Beek. Problem solved.

But then he'd move the team to Bc


NPH THE DAWSON WOULDN'T DO THAT!
 
2012-06-18 06:14:11 PM  
Good. Move the Devils to Canada where all hockey belongs anyway.
 
2012-06-18 06:47:40 PM  

FreakinB: It's also funny how college is such a small deal here compared to most of the rest of the country. That said, I'd put Syracuse on the list as well.


I know one guy (my wife's cousin) who's nuts about St. Johns basketball.

Aside from that, yeah. College sports might as well not exist in New York. The only significant American sport that has a lower profile locally is NASCAR.
 
2012-06-18 06:52:32 PM  

FreakinB: That said, I'd put Syracuse on the list as well.


LOL WUT.

Might as well list Philly, Boston, and DC teams and associated university teams since they are closer to the NY metro area then Syracuse is.
 
2012-06-18 07:18:56 PM  

Giltric: FreakinB: That said, I'd put Syracuse on the list as well.

LOL WUT.

Might as well list Philly, Boston, and DC teams and associated university teams since they are closer to the NY metro area then Syracuse is.


It's not an issue of proximity. There are just a lot of Syracuse alums and fans here. Probably as much as St. John's and Rutgers.
 
2012-06-18 07:47:55 PM  

Decillion: In a perfect world.

Coyotes -> Quebec
t


Any particular part of Quebec or would they just be the NHL free roaming team somewhere in the Province, and just being in Canada is enough?

Would Newfoundland or the Maritimes also get free roaming teams?

Farkin weird perfect world if you ask me.
 
2012-06-18 08:20:17 PM  

mikaloyd: Decillion: In a perfect world.

Coyotes -> Quebec
t

Any particular part of Quebec or would they just be the NHL free roaming team somewhere in the Province, and just being in Canada is enough?

Would Newfoundland or the Maritimes also get free roaming teams?

Farkin weird perfect world if you ask me.


there's really only one part of \Quebec that has enough people for an NHL team, that is Montreal- Quebec City corridor

Not enough people in Maritimes and Newfoundland and Labrador

Not even Halifax can hold an NHL team
 
2012-06-18 11:24:17 PM  
I remember the Devils having attendance problems at Continental Airlines, no shock to see them continue to have bad attendance.
 
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