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2012-06-18 09:56:21 AM
Yet another sign that the trap is the worst thing to happen to hockey.
 
2012-06-18 10:12:24 AM
Nothing says "smart business move" like moving a sports franchise which has a predominately white/middle class fan base into one of the largest minority/poorest cities in America. Then not providing parking next to the arena, so that said fans have to park their cars on the streets of Newark for night games.
 
2012-06-18 10:20:10 AM

WTF Indeed: Nothing says "smart business move" like moving a sports franchise which has a predominately white/middle class fan base into one of the largest minority/poorest cities in America. Then not providing parking next to the arena, so that said fans have to park their cars on the streets of Newark for night games.


You neglected to mention the enormous train station 3 blocks away that's easily accessible from the majority of train stations in New Jersey (and ones in NYC too). Taking a train beats the shiat out of hauling your ass to the swamp. And that arena is gorgeous. That said, I have no idea what all of that has done for attendance.
 
2012-06-18 10:32:03 AM

FreakinB: You neglected to mention the enormous train station 3 blocks away that's easily accessible from the majority of train stations in New Jersey (and ones in NYC too). Taking a train beats the shiat out of hauling your ass to the swamp. And that arena is gorgeous. That said, I have no idea what all of that has done for attendance.


24th out of 30.

It's not about the train station, it's the fact that the team asked their fans to "take the train into Newark" for a game. The average Devils fan is coming from the suburbs so they want to drive in because they are only going to Newark, but you can't find parking there so they don't want to go.

They've spent a lot of money trying redoing that area, but it's still Newark. It's like in the 70's and 80's when Steinbrenner was trying to move out of the Bronx. When there was a game it was safe as can be, you still couldn't go more than two blocks off of River Ave. and the Bronx was just a haven of crime. The area around the arena is nice, but you're still asking white middle class people to drive into Newark.
 
2012-06-18 10:48:19 AM

WTF Indeed: It's not about the train station, it's the fact that the team asked their fans to "take the train into Newark" for a game. The average Devils fan is coming from the suburbs so they want to drive in because they are only going to Newark, but you can't find parking there so they don't want to go.


I don't know, maybe it's just that I'm used to trains after taking them to work and to go out in the city for years. But I went to my first Devils game this year and it involved me taking a train from work in the city to the game, and then another train to my girlfriend's in New Brunswick after. It couldn't have been easier. And it's not like Newark Penn is a small station that's only served by one line.

Of course all of this is relevant to my interests with the potential that the Islanders eventually move to the Barclays Center (read: directly above an LIRR terminal and a ton of subway lines). If that happens I'd never drive to a game again.

WTF Indeed: They've spent a lot of money trying redoing that area, but it's still Newark. It's like in the 70's and 80's when Steinbrenner was trying to move out of the Bronx. When there was a game it was safe as can be, you still couldn't go more than two blocks off of River Ave. and the Bronx was just a haven of crime. The area around the arena is nice, but you're still asking white middle class people to drive into Newark


This is true. You can't stray too far from the arena and that's a problem. But I can't imagine a spot in Jersey that's more convenient for more people, short of plopping an arena in the middle of the suburbs and eminent-domaining the shiat out of some neighborhood. I guess they just need to do something about the parking.
 
2012-06-18 10:55:54 AM

FreakinB: I don't know, maybe it's just that I'm used to trains after taking them to work and to go out in the city for years. But I went to my first Devils game this year and it involved me taking a train from work in the city to the game, and then another train to my girlfriend's in New Brunswick after. It couldn't have been easier. And it's not like Newark Penn is a small station that's only served by one line.

Of course all of this is relevant to my interests with the potential that the Islanders eventually move to the Barclays Center (read: directly above an LIRR terminal and a ton of subway lines). If that happens I'd never drive to a game again.


Trains are a New Yorker/Young person's thing. However when you're 40-60 and live in Dover, you aren't getting on train to Newark. You are driving the 15-20 minutes up 80. And plus it's not like hockey has a lot of in town support. Newark couldn't even support the Nets for pete's sake.
 
2012-06-18 11:07:09 AM

WTF Indeed: Then not providing parking next to the arena, so that said fans have to park their cars on the streets of Newark for night games.


There is a garage right next door and a parking lot across the street.

WTF Indeed: The average Devils fan is coming from the suburbs so they want to drive in because they are only going to Newark


I would take the train but I don't live near a train line. When I worked in Newark I would catch a bus that was about 10 minutes from my house and dropped me off in front of my office, but that service is infrequent and ends at 8PM. By time I drive to the closest train station in that direction I am almost half way to Newark. Of course that does beat dealing with Newark traffic.
 
2012-06-18 11:16:18 AM

WTF Indeed: Nothing says "smart business move" like moving a sports franchise which has a predominately white/middle class fan base into one of the largest minority/poorest cities in America. Then not providing parking next to the arena, so that said fans have to park their cars on the streets of Newark for night games.


There are a ton of lots around the arena for people to park, usually park for free at either the restaurante we hit pre game or just on the street near one of the bars. Never had a problem. That section of Newark isn't as scary as most people make it out to be.

The financial woes have nothing to do with the move to Newark and everything to do with one of Vanderbeek's partners wanting out.
 
2012-06-18 11:24:38 AM

onecanshort: There are a ton of lots around the arena for people to park, usually park for free at either the restaurante we hit pre game or just on the street near one of the bars. Never had a problem. That section of Newark isn't as scary as most people make it out to be.


I know it's not a bad area, but there is obviously a problem when the second best team in the NHL this year is 24th in attendance. The team is good, the stadium is new, there's 15,000,000+ people in the metro area, and yet they can't even can't fill the arena. It's like Yankee Stadium in the 70's and 80's, the Bronx had a bad rep so fans didn't want to go to the games out of fear. Newark has a bad rep, and people don't want to go into Newark out of fear. If the team was making money the partners would more than likely not want out.
 
2012-06-18 11:55:06 AM
Their fan is going to be pissed.
 
2012-06-18 12:00:16 PM

WTF Indeed: I know it's not a bad area, but there is obviously a problem when the second best team in the NHL this year is 24th in attendance.


I don't know if I'd call them that...they managed to get hot when it mattered.
 
2012-06-18 12:01:36 PM

WTF Indeed: Newark couldn't even support the Nets for pete's sake.


Why would fans in Newark have any reason to support the Nets?
It was clear before they even moved there for the two years they did that it was only temporary and the only reason they moved in the first place was because Barclays was delayed.
 
2012-06-18 12:09:13 PM

WTF Indeed: onecanshort: There are a ton of lots around the arena for people to park, usually park for free at either the restaurante we hit pre game or just on the street near one of the bars. Never had a problem. That section of Newark isn't as scary as most people make it out to be.

I know it's not a bad area, but there is obviously a problem when the second best team in the NHL this year is 24th in attendance. The team is good, the stadium is new, there's 15,000,000+ people in the metro area, and yet they can't even can't fill the arena. It's like Yankee Stadium in the 70's and 80's, the Bronx had a bad rep so fans didn't want to go to the games out of fear. Newark has a bad rep, and people don't want to go into Newark out of fear. If the team was making money the partners would more than likely not want out.


15,000,000 x percentage of people who like hockey enough to go to a game 3% = 450,000

Subtract the number who are Rangers fans 270,000 and Flyers fans 150,000 and you're left with about 30,000 potential customers.

Then factor in the fact that most people in NJ don't live within 30 minutes of a train and most people don't want to drive and walk around in Newark and you're left with empty seats
 
2012-06-18 12:17:14 PM
This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.
 
2012-06-18 12:18:02 PM
Cory Booker looks like Vin Diesel.
 
2012-06-18 12:27:23 PM
-move the Islanders to New Haven, rename them the Long Island Sounders
-award expansion franchises to Atlanta and OKC
-move Atlanta team to QC, OKC team to Seattle

/The Bestest for Commissioner
 
2012-06-18 12:47:14 PM

Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.



Read up on the NBA/NHL arena in Seattle. Seattle might not be such a dark horse more than it might be a front-runner.
 
2012-06-18 12:48:57 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Cory Booker looks like Vin Diesel.


I've said it in other threads, but when you have Cory Booker, who is one of the most positive, well-liked, and well-respected politicians in America who is trying his best in Newark - comes out and calls you one of the most "despicable owners in sports" - THAT'S A PROBLEM.

Vanderbeek looks like a guy who should be choked with a phone cord while Ray Liotta laughs at him.


The Devils arena boondoggle is just as bad as Phoenix's. The Devils advantage is that they built it close to mass transit. Previous idiot owner of the Coyotes didn't think that all the way through.
 
2012-06-18 12:49:14 PM

WTF Indeed: Nothing says "smart business move" like moving a sports franchise which has a predominately white/middle class fan base into one of the largest minority/poorest cities in America. Then not providing parking next to the arena, so that said fans have to park their cars on the streets of Newark for night games.


I thought the move to Newark was more for an "identity" thing to make the team/franchise feel more "Jersey". The old arena being in the swamp and in the same complex with "New York teams just happening to have their facilities in Jersey" probably felt kind of...not good...from a marketing perspective.
 
2012-06-18 12:50:01 PM

Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).


There's been no indicator that the Jamison deal is in trouble. The Goldwater Institute suit is basically a last gasp attempt that's going to go nowhere.
 
2012-06-18 12:54:13 PM
If only the Devils could neutral zone trap the criminals outside the arena.
 
2012-06-18 12:56:05 PM

Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.


Didn't they already do that when both the Sabres and the Senators declared bankruptcy within the same year?
 
2012-06-18 12:57:02 PM

Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.


Which anyone who's been paying attention to the Phoenix situation knew was coming anyway. The lease deal is done and I suspect the sale will be closed within the next 4 weeks. At which time we'll hear wailing from the YorkvilleYankoff that will be sweet music to my ears.

(Side note: the bastards who are fighting the deal seem to not have much of a case)

As for the Devils' owner, there seems to be a lot of slimeball qualities on that guy based on everything I've heard said about him over the last couple of months. The NHL is probably sick of the crap and are telling him "get your shiat together or you're out of here."
 
2012-06-18 12:58:59 PM

WTF Indeed: Nothing says "smart business move" like moving a sports franchise which has a predominately white/middle class fan base into one of the largest minority/poorest cities in America. Then not providing parking next to the arena, so that said fans have to park their cars on the streets of Newark for night games.


That is a stupid point. While not a devil's fan, I go to a ton of games. More than I would if they were still in the meadowlands. The ease of mass transit to the game is a big part of that.

And I do occasionaly drive. Parking is $10 there, on par or cheaper with what it was at the meadowlands, and is plentiful, and it is just as easy, if not easier to drive there than when they played at the meadowlands. Plus there are actually things to do in newark when you go to the game. Where would you have proposed they built the arena?

Simply put, the devil's don't move tickets at the price they need. My buddy has season tickets about 10 rows up from the glass on the corner, and while face on them is something like $175, in his package he only ends up paying about half of that. Unless the devils are playing a big name, they have trouble filling the rock even when most of the upper tier gets sold at $10 a pop just by saying you are a college student.

Simply put, they don't have enough fans, or at least fans that come out to games. The location doesn't have anything to do with it.

Even in Round 1 and Round 2, the games didn't sell out until a day or two before the games, and that was without them inflating the ticket prices. I got round 2 tickets, day of game, for like $75 bucks, and half of the place was flyers fans. Food and the like are pretty reasonably priced there, and they put on a great experience.

So don't fault management, fault your fans who refuse to show up even though the team is doing their part.
 
2012-06-18 01:01:45 PM
And what do you mean you can't stray far from the area? You have all of ferry street and the excellent places to eat and drink in the ironbound.

Yea, I wouldn't want to be walking around some of those neighborhoods at 2am by myself, but before and after games, its just fine. Hell, even walking up market to the Rutgers area and going to McGovern's and the like is perfectly safe.
 
2012-06-18 01:02:19 PM

LineNoise: So don't fault management, fault your fans who refuse to show up even though the team is doing their part.


I'm curious if there's any readily available survey stats on how many Northern NJ residents actually identify themselves as New Jersey sports fans.
 
2012-06-18 01:08:02 PM

pregerstheHobo: Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.

Didn't they already do that when both the Sabres and the Senators declared bankruptcy within the same year?


If memory serves the Sens already had a new owner lined up(Melnyk), but Bruce Firestone was trying to bring in new partners to keep the team himself. The NHL gave them some financial support but never formally took over operations.
 
2012-06-18 01:12:01 PM

Killer Cars: LineNoise: So don't fault management, fault your fans who refuse to show up even though the team is doing their part.

I'm curious if there's any readily available survey stats on how many Northern NJ residents actually identify themselves as New Jersey sports fans.


I know plenty of Devil's fans. However for most of them they are Devil's fans because:

1. They hate the rangers of flyers, or moreover the stereotype that comes with being a rangers or philly sports fan.
2. They got into hockey during the devil's great run in the 90s (same as pretty much everyone who is left that calls themselves an islanders fan)
3. They have some connection to the devils from when they played hockey as a kid themselves. Back when I played the devils were great in being involved with youth leagues, etc. You don't see it as much anymore.

I think the devils and their fans just do a shiatty job marketing the experience. As a flyers fan, I shouldn't have to be the one to tell you that parking is cheap and not an issue at your arena, and that the neighborhood is great and safe. I shouldn't have to be the one saying it is one of the nicest arenas around and very reasonably priced.

But when your fans don't give a shiat to do so, and your owner fights with the city, the word doesn't get out.
 
2012-06-18 01:12:11 PM
the real problem is that you can't get hammered legally on a train like Europe.

/surprised when my friend told me I could get a $150 fine for drinking on the way to a Devils game
 
2012-06-18 01:13:58 PM

haterade: the real problem is that you can't get hammered legally on a train like Europe.

/surprised when my friend told me I could get a $150 fine for drinking on the way to a Devils game


If you keep it in a paper bag and aren't a jerk, NJ Transit won't give you a hassle. PATH maybe.
 
2012-06-18 01:16:03 PM

Flappyhead: pregerstheHobo: Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.

Didn't they already do that when both the Sabres and the Senators declared bankruptcy within the same year?

If memory serves the Sens already had a new owner lined up(Melnyk), but Bruce Firestone was trying to bring in new partners to keep the team himself. The NHL gave them some financial support but never formally took over operations.


Was going to say this.

The league operated the Sabres from the time Rigas scandal hit (which was actually prior to, and the cause of, the bankruptcy) up until Tom Golisano bought the team.

But IIRC, the league never operated the Senators, although it did get involved and help stabilize the franchise during its bankruptcy.
 
2012-06-18 01:18:05 PM

haterade: the real problem is that you can't get hammered legally on a train like Europe.

/surprised when my friend told me I could get a $150 fine for drinking on the way to a Devils game


Really? I'm not sure about NJT but you can drink on the LIRR something like 355 days out of the year.

/though not on the weekends after midnight anymore
 
2012-06-18 01:20:11 PM

FreakinB: haterade: the real problem is that you can't get hammered legally on a train like Europe.

/surprised when my friend told me I could get a $150 fine for drinking on the way to a Devils game

Really? I'm not sure about NJT but you can drink on the LIRR something like 355 days out of the year.

/though not on the weekends after midnight anymore


I think technically you can't on NJT, but I have never seen anyone called on it who wasn't some dumb kid being a jerk. Its pretty common for half the train to summit or the like to be brown bagging it on a friday afternoon.

I know LIRR doesn't let you drink on Belmont Stakes day anymore. That used to be the best part of going to the race. I like to think we had something to do with the rule change the year we brought a keg onto the train with us.
 
2012-06-18 01:24:41 PM

LineNoise: FreakinB: haterade: the real problem is that you can't get hammered legally on a train like Europe.

/surprised when my friend told me I could get a $150 fine for drinking on the way to a Devils game

Really? I'm not sure about NJT but you can drink on the LIRR something like 355 days out of the year.

/though not on the weekends after midnight anymore

I think technically you can't on NJT, but I have never seen anyone called on it who wasn't some dumb kid being a jerk. Its pretty common for half the train to summit or the like to be brown bagging it on a friday afternoon.

I know LIRR doesn't let you drink on Belmont Stakes day anymore. That used to be the best part of going to the race. I like to think we had something to do with the rule change the year we brought a keg onto the train with us.


Yeah, Belmont Stakes day is one of those 10-ish days. Along with the 4th of July, New Year's, Thanksgiving Eve, and a few others. And I've taken the LIRR more times than any human being can count and I've never seen a keg. True innovation on your part.
 
2012-06-18 01:26:17 PM
PATH doesn't allow food/drink -period-, so an adult beverage is probably right out
 
2012-06-18 01:26:34 PM

Flappyhead: pregerstheHobo: Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.

Didn't they already do that when both the Sabres and the Senators declared bankruptcy within the same year?

If memory serves the Sens already had a new owner lined up(Melnyk), but Rod BrydenBruce Firestone was trying to bring in new partners to keep the team himself. The NHL gave them some financial support but never formally took over operations.


FTFY, Firestone just founded the team, ended up turning over the reins before their first puck drop I believe.

Anyways yea you are right, the Sens had a couple few prospective owners for the franchise lined up so it was a bit of a different situation.

Bryden did have a crazy financial plan to keep the team but wasn't able to see it through.
 
2012-06-18 01:29:30 PM

FreakinB:
Yeah, Belmont Stakes day is one of those 10-ish days. Along with the 4th of July, New Year's, Thanksgiving Eve, and a few others. And I've taken the LIRR more times than any human being can count and I've never seen a keg. True innovation on your part.


This was back in, oh, maybe 2004 or so. The last year that they let you drink on the train, and bring in your own booze if you stayed in the picnic area at belmont. Pretty sure it was the year Smarty Jones came up short. What was funny is we didn't even hide it, as we could find no rule we were violating. we just wheeled the thing along on a hand truck all afternoon and bike locked it to a fence. Nobody even questioned us.
 
2012-06-18 01:30:35 PM

LessO2: Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.


Read up on the NBA/NHL arena in Seattle. Seattle might not be such a dark horse more than it might be a front-runner.


rofl, Seattle, a front runner over Quebec City who already have an arena ready and enough people to sell out within minutes?

gtfo
 
2012-06-18 01:31:49 PM
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2012-06-18 01:31:51 PM

The Bestest: -move the Islanders to New Haven, rename them the Long Island Sounders
-award expansion franchises to Atlanta and OKC
-move Atlanta team to QC, OKC team to Seattle

/The Bestest for Commissioner


Atlanta Thrashers have been Winnipeg Jets for a year
Where have you been?
 
2012-06-18 01:32:08 PM

Renegade Pervert:
FTFY, Firestone just founded the team, ended up turning over the reins before their first puck drop I believe.

Anyways yea you are right, the Sens had a couple few prospective owners for the franchise lined up so it was a bit of a different situation.

Bryden did have a crazy financial plan to keep the team but wasn't able to see it through.


I remember that. It was part of a partnership with some drink mogul from NYC and built around a bunch of tax shelters/exemptions. I remember reading about the details and telling a Sens fan co-worker "Melnyk is getting the team, no way something this complicated gets greenlit."
 
2012-06-18 01:33:00 PM
Anyway, it will be interesting how things play out for the devil's if the Isles end up at Barclay's. That is going to poach a very sizeable percentage of their, "well, I want to see a hockey game but don't want to pay for rangers tickets" crowd.

now I don't know what the agreement the devil's and rangers have with the league for exclusivity in the region, but knowing bettman, I could see a league takeover of the devils as something they try and do so the devil's don't cause any headaches with an isles move to barclays.
 
2012-06-18 01:34:33 PM

desertgeek: Doc Daneeka: This is a sure sign that the situation in Phoenix is moving to its end-game. Either a final sale to Jamison is imminent, or the team is about to pack up and move to QC (or darkhorse Seattle, if Bettman doesn't want to preside over two teams moving to Canada in consecutive years).

No way in hell that the league is going to operate two troubled franchises at the same time.

In the long-term, I remain convinced that three NYC-area teams is one too many for the metro area to adequately and sustainably support, no matter how big it is.

Which anyone who's been paying attention to the Phoenix situation knew was coming anyway. The lease deal is done and I suspect the sale will be closed within the next 4 weeks. At which time we'll hear wailing from the YorkvilleYankoff that will be sweet music to my ears.

(Side note: the bastards who are fighting the deal seem to not have much of a case)

As for the Devils' owner, there seems to be a lot of slimeball qualities on that guy based on everything I've heard said about him over the last couple of months. The NHL is probably sick of the crap and are telling him "get your shiat together or you're out of here."


Hey jackass, there is NO DEAL if Jamison can't find investors.. which according to Forbes, he's having a hard time with the pitch.. in uncertain economic times why would a savvy investor be willing to lose millions just for a tiny chance of a miniscule profit?

don't answer that, I realize your intelligent level is low
 
2012-06-18 01:37:01 PM

LineNoise: Anyway, it will be interesting how things play out for the devil's if the Isles end up at Barclay's. That is going to poach a very sizeable percentage of their, "well, I want to see a hockey game but don't want to pay for rangers tickets" crowd.

now I don't know what the agreement the devil's and rangers have with the league for exclusivity in the region, but knowing bettman, I could see a league takeover of the devils as something they try and do so the devil's don't cause any headaches with an isles move to barclays.


Devils and Islanders could be moved to Canada and I doubt more than a thousand people would be heartbroken over it. NYI have had one of the worst attendance and merch records since the lockout
 
2012-06-18 01:37:56 PM
Take the team from Jeff Vanderbeek and give it to James Van Der Beek. Problem solved.
 
2012-06-18 01:38:17 PM

ontariolightning:

Hey jackass, there is NO DEAL if Jamison can't find investors.. which according to Forbes, he's having a hard time with the pitch.. in uncertain economic times why would a savvy investor be willing to lose millions just for a tiny chance of a miniscule profit?

don't answer that, I realize your intelligent level is low


Speaking of low intelligence levels, do you think the deal would have gotten to this point if the Jamison deal wasn't pretty solid?

It's like you're holding on to this idea that at the last minute, every single one of Jamison's investors will pull out and the deal will die. At this point in the game, there's a very, very low chance of that happening.
 
2012-06-18 01:39:12 PM

swahnhennessy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]


KC does have a beautiful new arena, and the city is itching for either the NBA or the NHL to come and fill it.

I don't think a second Scouts era is likely though, because I think a few other cities are higher on the league's priority list.
 
2012-06-18 01:42:07 PM

MattyFridays: ontariolightning:

Hey jackass, there is NO DEAL if Jamison can't find investors.. which according to Forbes, he's having a hard time with the pitch.. in uncertain economic times why would a savvy investor be willing to lose millions just for a tiny chance of a miniscule profit?

don't answer that, I realize your intelligent level is low

Speaking of low intelligence levels, do you think the deal would have gotten to this point if the Jamison deal wasn't pretty solid?

It's like you're holding on to this idea that at the last minute, every single one of Jamison's investors will pull out and the deal will die. At this point in the game, there's a very, very low chance of that happening.


If Jamison had enough investors the deal would have been done already. It has been almost 2 months since Bettman was on HNIC to talk about how the deal is almost done.. and yet its not done yet, what does that tell you?
 
2012-06-18 01:43:23 PM

Doc Daneeka: swahnhennessy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]

KC does have a beautiful new arena, and the city is itching for either the NBA or the NHL to come and fill it.

I don't think a second Scouts era is likely though, because I think a few other cities are higher on the league's priority list.



Kansas City.. this would not work, return hockey to where hockey matters
 
2012-06-18 01:43:54 PM

ontariolightning: LineNoise: Anyway, it will be interesting how things play out for the devil's if the Isles end up at Barclay's. That is going to poach a very sizeable percentage of their, "well, I want to see a hockey game but don't want to pay for rangers tickets" crowd.

now I don't know what the agreement the devil's and rangers have with the league for exclusivity in the region, but knowing bettman, I could see a league takeover of the devils as something they try and do so the devil's don't cause any headaches with an isles move to barclays.

Devils and Islanders could be moved to Canada and I doubt more than a thousand people would be heartbroken over it. NYI have had one of the worst attendance and merch records since the lockout


I really can't blame Isles fans. The Colosseum is a dump. It was a dump the last time I was there 15 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now. They have't put a product on the ice in years that would make anyone who didn't live right by that place want to go see them.

Which is the biggest problem they are having. They pretty much have killed off most of their fanbase, as evident by the county doing absolutely nothing to try and keep them there. The only way that team survives in this area is if they pull a Nets and go to barclays. It would be an entirely new story for them then. But I think that would really bone the devils, as now the casual fan or someone who wants to like hockey but not the rangers will have an alternative, which the isles aren't today.

People like to think of the isles as having this connection to NYC today, but they really don't. I know people who have lived here their whole life and the furthest they have been out on long island is queens. Hell, i don't think you can even take a train or bus to an Isles game without having to transfer a few times.
 
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