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2012-06-18 07:50:48 AM

moothemagiccow: fix old no new


Considering how much sampling of older, better, songs goes on in music
these days (especially in hip hop), this is pretty much the mantra of musicians
these days.
 
2012-06-18 07:58:15 AM
i've come to realize that top 40 music pisses me off not so much because of the quality of the genre, but the fact that people actually listen to what basically equates to the ramen noodles of music.
 
2012-06-18 08:00:06 AM

SavvyLemur: people actually listen to what basically equates to the ramen noodles of music.


You get sick of Filet mignon every single night. Sometimes you just want a Big Mac.
 
2012-06-18 08:18:19 AM

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: There are more people in the world than there were then.
The market is also larger than it was then because of technology and rising incomes in developing countries.

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This is a consecutive weeks thing, not a quantity thing. Also, this is a pretty good song and is easy to have on in the background of a party. Sure it isn't the best video of all time and I don't see it lasting another two months on the board like the article is speculating at, but damn some farkers should just join AARP with all of their get off my lawn talk in this thread.
 
2012-06-18 08:45:16 AM

HotWingAgenda: I realize people have been complaining about pop music since the beginning of time, but this one really does unsettle me. I spent all day at work listening to guys like B.B. King and Lightning Jack, and the media is all about this soulless shiat?

If I ever have kids, I'm going to raise them in an orthodox blues household.


At age 4 my son was in the guitar shop with me buying strings when he correctly identified Johnny Cash being played over the store PA. The owner and clerk were kind of taken aback, but not as much as when he stated he preferred Bob Marley to him.

You gotta raise the kids right. Sometimes it means just having the iPod going all day with Bird or BB or Leonard Cohen or Monk. These kids learn the stuff at home.

As for the article, and you all thought disco was dead. It isn't, and it still sucks.

The only time I hear drum machines and samplers being used with any level of creativity these days is in industrial. Everything else just keeps using them to replace an existing band component rather than carve out and innovate a new sound or component.
 
2012-06-18 08:50:09 AM

HotWingAgenda: I realize people have been complaining about pop music since the beginning of time, but this one really does unsettle me. I spent all day at work listening to guys like B.B. King and Lightning Jack, and the media is all about this soulless shiat?

If I ever have kids, I'm going to raise them in an orthodox blues household.


No, don't let them stay home and listen to the blues
/obscure
 
2012-06-18 08:50:29 AM
Something that has confused me since this guy 'arrived', is why does he get credit on air with (or instead of) the singer or vocalist? No other mixer or whatever he is gets air credit for songs, just the band/vocalist(s).
 
2012-06-18 08:55:12 AM

Skarekrough: You gotta raise the kids right. Sometimes it means just having the iPod going all day with Bird or BB or Leonard Cohen or Monk. These kids learn the stuff at home.


Take it from me, my dad was a jazz musician who pushed jazz on me when I was a kid. There's no easier way to make a kid hate a form of music more than to push it on him as a parent. Let the kid listen to what he wants.
 
2012-06-18 08:59:34 AM

kroonermanblack: Something that has confused me since this guy 'arrived', is why does he get credit on air with (or instead of) the singer or vocalist? No other mixer or whatever he is gets air credit for songs, just the band/vocalist(s).


This is actually the common thing now. These guys are more like producers and there are quite a few of them. Tiesto and avicii come to mind (Tiesto Escape me is a pretty good song and a lot of my generation can't get enough of avicii's levels). It all seems to be based on the popularity of the artists involved. If it's skrillex and Korn, it is going to be Korn feat Skrillex. If it's Guetta and Sia it's going to be Guetta feat Sia, even though Sia's voice is more talented than Guetta IMO.
 
2012-06-18 09:09:36 AM

DjangoStonereaver: moothemagiccow: fix old no new

Considering how much sampling of older, better, songs goes on in music
these days (especially in hip hop), this is pretty much the mantra of musicians
these days.



Yeah, I went to see Girl Talk and some of the mashups induced full-on nostalgia. At one point, I was doing the Ed Lover dance.
 
2012-06-18 09:19:38 AM

Mugato: Skarekrough: You gotta raise the kids right. Sometimes it means just having the iPod going all day with Bird or BB or Leonard Cohen or Monk. These kids learn the stuff at home.

Take it from me, my dad was a jazz musician who pushed jazz on me when I was a kid. There's no easier way to make a kid hate a form of music more than to push it on him as a parent. Let the kid listen to what he wants.


There's a world of difference between "pushing" music on a kid and having it be on around the house.

I grew up with a Father who was decidedly non-musical and a Mother that Mostly just enjoyed music. She had Janis and Elvis and Chuck Berry and others playing on the cheesy tape deck regularly. It was what she enjoyed and as I got older I found those were influences I went back to and explored deeper.

I don't sit the kid in front of the speakers and force him to listen to anything. It's what's on around the house and in the car and he voices preferences for some things over others.
 
2012-06-18 09:20:17 AM

jake3988: Yet it says right in the article that Thriller doesn't actually even hold the record.

Perhaps they mean it'll surpass Thriller... but that doesn't mean it'll break a record unless Thriller has said record. Which, it appears, it does not.


Interesting. So we've hyped up and beaten the shiat out of a hookless house music song in this thread for nothing? It's almost like it's not news or something....

And to expound on the points of this thread: Pop music comes and goes, but there will never be another album that is virtually everywhere on every format in every country quite like Thriller. Not in the environment of the music industry today, at least. Doesn't mean what is out is good or bad (and personally, if it can be played on the local dance station pretending to be a pop station, that's in my *personal* bad category), just is an indication of how these records just will never mean what they once meant.
 
2012-06-18 09:25:48 AM

buntz: SavvyLemur: people actually listen to what basically equates to the ramen noodles of music.

You get sick of Filet mignon every single night. Sometimes you just want a Big Mac.


I see what youre saying and i agree to some extent. I just think theres something wrong when whats popular is less creative than what my friends could throw together on music generator back in 2001. To each their own i guess.
 
2012-06-18 09:26:38 AM

DjangoStonereaver: moothemagiccow: fix old no new

Considering how much sampling of older, better, songs goes on in music
these days (especially in hip hop), this is pretty much the mantra of musicians
these days.


That's something I don't understand. Hip hop is maligned for the use of sampling, but rock cover bands are praised for performing music that's note for note as close to the originals as possible. Why is cover banding acceptable, but sampling is not?

Also, many people have rediscovered old musical loves through the creative use of sampling. It's not all overdone James Brown and George Clinton stuff (though, when you hear the originals, the genius of the original works is still fresh even when the riffs have been overdone). You know?
 
2012-06-18 09:33:34 AM

buntz: SavvyLemur: people actually listen to what basically equates to the ramen noodles of music.

You get sick of Filet mignon every single night. Sometimes you just want a Big Mac.


Seems more like the majority of people are having Big Macs every single night.
 
2012-06-18 09:36:53 AM
"With tracks featuring Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Usher, Fergie, LMFAO and more"

Not enough DO NOT WANT in the universe.
 
2012-06-18 09:37:03 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: DjangoStonereaver: moothemagiccow: fix old no new

Considering how much sampling of older, better, songs goes on in music
these days (especially in hip hop), this is pretty much the mantra of musicians
these days.

That's something I don't understand. Hip hop is maligned for the use of sampling, but rock cover bands are praised for performing music that's note for note as close to the originals as possible. Why is cover banding acceptable, but sampling is not?


The most praise a typical cover band receives is 50 people in a bar clapping and maybe some drunk skank ass.
 
2012-06-18 09:37:15 AM

Sybarite: At one point, I was doing the Ed Lover dance.


Favorited.


/Link to jungletrain.net's 128k stream
//Also listening to Sonic Tap's College Rock station on direcTV, of all places!
 
2012-06-18 09:46:21 AM
Who?
 
2012-06-18 09:47:20 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: DjangoStonereaver: moothemagiccow: fix old no new

Considering how much sampling of older, better, songs goes on in music
these days (especially in hip hop), this is pretty much the mantra of musicians
these days.

That's something I don't understand. Hip hop is maligned for the use of sampling, but rock cover bands are praised for performing music that's note for note as close to the originals as possible. Why is cover banding acceptable, but sampling is not?


Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.

In the hands of someone with actual musical talent, sampling becomes just
another instrument (Terminator X from PUBLIC ENEMY was/is a master at
this), but far too often it is a crutch by people's whose only talent is to know
what beats/licks/riffs to steal for their stuff.
 
2012-06-18 09:57:09 AM
I've generally found anyone who gives a sh*t about music charts is someone I don't listen to for music recommendations.
 
2012-06-18 10:04:41 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.


I could not believe how blatant a rip off that song was.
 
2012-06-18 10:10:48 AM

for good or for awesome: DjangoStonereaver: Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.

I could not believe how blatant a rip off that song was.


I heard Sting was extremely outraged by this blatant thievery
 
2012-06-18 10:18:34 AM

fusillade762: Huh, I just heard Titanium on the radio the other day. Pretty good for a house song.


Which really is a pretty low bar now. Honestly, I don't know what people get from this stuff. There's just nothing there. Just a load of beats and some woman with a helium-infused voice singing something pointless. It doesn't grab you like I Feel For You, Groove Is In the Heart, Le Freak or something by Daft Punk or the Chemical Brothers. Actually, I get that people might dance to it, but who the fark wants to buy it to actually listen to?
 
2012-06-18 10:32:02 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.

In the hands of someone with actual musical talent, sampling becomes just
another instrument (Terminator X from PUBLIC ENEMY was/is a master at
this), but far too often it is a crutch by people's whose only talent is to know
what beats/licks/riffs to steal for their stuff.


It's reckoned that It Takes A Nation Of Millions couldn't be made today.

Back in the 80s, artists like Public Enemy approached record companies about getting samples cleared and the record companies were like "yeah, whatever" and let them sample stuff for pretty much nothing. So the likes of PE, make these records and make a load of money, and the record companies are like "fark, we should have charged more"

So, next time people start asking for clearance to use a song, the record companies up the price. That's why rap artists use one song now. They can't afford the 6 samples that say, Bring the Noise used.
 
2012-06-18 10:36:25 AM

farkeruk: fusillade762: Huh, I just heard Titanium on the radio the other day. Pretty good for a house song.

Which really is a pretty low bar now. Honestly, I don't know what people get from this stuff. There's just nothing there. Just a load of beats and some woman with a helium-infused voice singing something pointless. It doesn't grab you like I Feel For You, Groove Is In the Heart, Le Freak or something by Daft Punk or the Chemical Brothers. Actually, I get that people might dance to it, but who the fark wants to buy it to actually listen to?


I find it amusing that you put Chemical Brothers and Daft Punk in a category that you imply has more of a "point" than David Guetta. Go listen to 'Technologic' or 'Around the World' again and think about what you've just said.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2012-06-18 10:53:10 AM

LewDux: for good or for awesome: DjangoStonereaver: Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.

I could not believe how blatant a rip off that song was.

I heard Sting was extremely outraged by this blatant thievery


P-Diddy made and released the record, and it was only after Sting & his
publishers went after him that he, not Diddy, got all the royalties the song
generated.

So I'm sure he was singing all the way to the bank at that point.
 
2012-06-18 10:57:46 AM

DjangoStonereaver: LewDux: for good or for awesome: DjangoStonereaver: Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.

I could not believe how blatant a rip off that song was.

I heard Sting was extremely outraged by this blatant thievery

P-Diddy made and released the record, and it was only after Sting & his
publishers went after him that he, not Diddy, got all the royalties the song
generated.

So I'm sure he was singing all the way to the bank at that point.


So he's not victim, he's accomplice. Disgusting
 
2012-06-18 11:19:39 AM

Ishkur: Could be worse.


cdn0.hark.com
 
2012-06-18 11:21:03 AM
The best comedy album you're not listening to:

i22.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-18 11:48:26 AM
Do you stand behind turn tables? Do you take other people's music and shuffle between tracks at a high frequency? Can you produce anything of value without sampling other works? Is "DJ" part of your name and/or occupational description?

Then you are not a musician. Kindly die: deadmaus, skrillex, whoever the chucklefark is in TFA.

In before "gramps".
 
2012-06-18 11:50:35 AM
Also: Holy shiat, that song sucks. Weep for the future indeed.
 
2012-06-18 11:56:47 AM

LewDux: DjangoStonereaver: LewDux: for good or for awesome: DjangoStonereaver: Probably because a cover band is perceived as actually using musical talent,
whereas sampling at its worst (P-Diddy's "Missing You" comes immediately to
mind) it is basically using the original track and replacing the lyrics.

I could not believe how blatant a rip off that song was.

I heard Sting was extremely outraged by this blatant thievery

P-Diddy made and released the record, and it was only after Sting & his
publishers went after him that he, not Diddy, got all the royalties the song
generated.

So I'm sure he was singing all the way to the bank at that point.

So he's not victim, he's accomplice. Disgusting


I'm not particularly worried about Sting's copyright. It's just lazy songwriting. From what I remember he changed one word.
 
2012-06-18 12:01:50 PM
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-18 12:11:33 PM
If you think we don't like that just because we are old farkers, there is no help for you.
 
2012-06-18 12:33:16 PM

bob_ross: Wow, that POS song is going to dethrone Thriller?

Sad.


My thoughts exactly. I listened to about 15 seconds of it near the middle. It sounds like the typical formulaic crap from Katy Perry, et al.

/ 'Thriller' it ain't.
// Needs more Vincent Price.
 
2012-06-18 12:41:56 PM

busy chillin': If you think we don't like that just because we are old farkers, there is no help for you.


I'm 29, young enough to remember what my tastes were in high school. Similar stuff was around back then, it's every bit as lame as disco.
 
2012-06-18 12:51:25 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
That's something I don't understand. Hip hop is maligned for the use of sampling, but rock cover bands are praised for performing music that's note for note as close to the originals as possible. Why is cover banding acceptable, but sampling is not?


Perhaps (?) because the cover band is playing the entire song, with all the notes/riffs in their proper context, and it's acknowledged (if only tacitly) that the song isn't theirs. They aren't trying to build something of their own.

Whereas with sampling, it may be seen as a laziness, taking a riff that someone else played and pasting the recording into one's own while giving no acknowledgment to the original source, or even that the riff was borrowed from someone else. If the borrower simply played the riff anew, maybe it wouldn't be considered as egregious an offense. (?)

Not making a value judgment, just trying to figure out the arguments.
 
2012-06-18 01:11:21 PM

busy chillin': If you think we don't like that just because we are old farkers, there is no help for you.


Don't like what, song or possibility that Rod and Quincy's record may fall?
 
2012-06-18 01:22:20 PM
I actually listen to house/club/techno/trance/whatever music. I realize I'm going to date myself, but I used to have to go to the "foreign" tape and CD section of stores to find good "underground" club music (well, underground by US standards).

It is very weird for me to hear very similar beats on the pop billboards. But I guess I somehow knew that was going to happen at some point once I heard "Zombie Nation" at a basketball game, lol.

My husband isn't much of a dance music person, but even he can understand the appeal of David Guetta's music. I don't think David Guetta is a particularly amazing DJ, but he can produce pretty good hooks.
 
2012-06-18 01:39:46 PM

JudgeItoBox: Do you stand behind turn tables? Do you take other people's music and shuffle between tracks at a high frequency? Can you produce anything of value without sampling other works? Is "DJ" part of your name and/or occupational description?

Then you are not a musician. Kindly die: deadmaus, skrillex, whoever the chucklefark is in TFA.

In before "gramps".


You do realize in general what you consider DJ's are really producers: Keoki, Van Buren, Van Dyke, Carl Cox, Daft Punk, Paul Okenfold, yes and even deadmou5, etc. Yeah, there's a lot of sampling. There's also a lot of original mixes. Guetta does sample a lot more than the others, but that is also because his productions are for pop stars, not just clubs.

The music that these guys make are what DJ's spin at shows.

DJ's are like the radio jokeys or middle men of the dance music world.

The producers are who people pay to see.
 
2012-06-18 01:42:15 PM

LewDux


I was in a roundabout way replying to harm dealer

Thank god all of you middle-aged farkers are here to tell me if a newly-released pop song is good or not. You guys really have a finger on the pulse.

I don't care about record records..so if it falls that is alright with me. I don't like this song but if they youngins are digging it, then it will continue to sell.
 
2012-06-18 02:00:56 PM

kroonermanblack: Something that has confused me since this guy 'arrived', is why does he get credit on air with (or instead of) the singer or vocalist? No other mixer or whatever he is gets air credit for songs, just the band/vocalist(s).


You mean like the way things should be?

www.ishkur.com

The Producer should get top credit. He's doing all the work.
 
2012-06-18 02:03:14 PM

Ishkur: kroonermanblack: Something that has confused me since this guy 'arrived', is why does he get credit on air with (or instead of) the singer or vocalist? No other mixer or whatever he is gets air credit for songs, just the band/vocalist(s).

You mean like the way things should be?

[www.ishkur.com image 500x500]

The Producer should get top credit. He's doing all the work.


You know Prince did most of her albums in the 80's.

/still love Madonna
 
2012-06-18 02:11:16 PM

Lollipop165: The music that these guys make are what DJ's spin at shows.
DJ's are like the radio jokeys or middle men of the dance music world.
The producers are who people pay to see.


And, ironically, Producers make for terrible DJs and so aren't really worth seeing. Especially since their set has no range and is just a promotion for their own works, so what you get is 1.5h of their own tracks, their remixes, and their collabs and/or friends' and labelmates trackes and remixes. It makes for a very boring, very shallow, very uninteresting set.

DJs, meanwhile, have noted that the true path to fame, profit, and legitimacy is to become a producer, so they start making tracks, so they can then play their own tracks at their shows, thereby annihilating the whole farking point of being a DJ.

If you go to a club or rave and the DJ plays music you've already heard, they have farking failed as a DJ.
 
2012-06-18 02:30:23 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: LewDux: Link/Link

Going to be honest. I didn't like either of those very much. The dubstep one has a weird buzzing and popping on each drumbeat. It's just kind of not my thing.

In the acoustic one, are they recording outside? There's a ton of wind noise.


Which one is the dubstep one? I just see a trance track and an accoustic track.
 
2012-06-18 02:34:11 PM

Lollipop165: You know Prince did most of her albums in the 80's.


Prince only contributed superficially on her Like a Prayer LP. The bulk of the production work was still done by her old Breakfast Club bandmate Stephen Bray.

Her producers, thusly:

Madonna: Jellybean
Like a Virgin: Nile Rodgers
True Blue: Stephen Bray
Like a Prayer: Stephen Bray
Erotica: Shep Pettibone
Bedtime Stories: Babyface
Ray of Light: William Orbit
Music: Mirwais
American Life: Mirwais
Confessions on a Dancefloor: Stuart Price
Hard Candy: The Neptunes
MDNA: Benny Benassi

Make no mistake: Madonna is really good at one thing: Surrounding herself with the best people she can find. She is a clever businessperson, a scenester, a poser, and a fronter all in one. But not really a musician. She's good at what she does, but she's really only a hollow faceplate--a shallow shell of what's actually there.

But for all her success, she is merely a trendwhore riding on the coattails of far more interesting musicians who are making far better music than she could ever hope to.

But it's not like she doesn't deserve credit. Madonna is, after all, a master of this sort of thing. She probes the underground, find out what it's currently doing, exploits it and sells a cheap, plastic pop version of it to the masses for commercial digestion. The big irony to all this is that by the time the mainstream catches on to these trends, the underground has already moved on.
 
2012-06-18 02:37:58 PM

Ishkur: But it's not like she doesn't deserve credit. Madonna is, after all, a master of this sort of thing. She probes the underground, find out what it's currently doing, exploits it and sells a cheap, plastic pop version of it to the masses for commercial digestion. The big irony to all this is that by the time the mainstream catches on to these trends, the underground has already moved on.


Vogue would probably be the best example of this.

She never said she was a good musician or singer. She always said she was a good business woman, and honestly who can disagree with that?

I think she's farking genius. Just not a musical genius.
 
2012-06-18 02:42:26 PM
I'm generally an enthusiastic participant in the "your band sucks" threads, and I'm really tempted to engage in this one. Yet I shan't. In my middle age I have become less inclined to fulminate against music that I don't personally care for; music is a river, after all, and even if I don't go a-fishing in some particular eddy or side-stream, my part of the river is still the same body of water.

Yet I push back against the notion that quality in music is purely subjective. Music is like any other art or craft: it can be done well or badly. Music can be objectively bad and still be popular; it can be objectively good and remain virtually unknown. Lazy music -- bland, uninspired, derivative, over-processed -- has been a mainstay of popular music ever since...well, forever. Good music is hard to create, and expensive. It's easier (and cheaper!) to just keep producing what has worked before until the current of the great river changes.

With me, it ultimately comes down to how well I can connect with the musicians. Music is a language, after all, and it must at least in part be judged on how well it passes musical meaning between performer and listener. (Even if they are the same person.) Any language must be judged a failure if it cannot pass meaning or intent, and music is no different.

A musical performance must convey something -- a story, a mood, a feeling, something. But I find that much popular music of whatever genre conveys very little. I'm not talking about some highbrow "message" here; just some creative spark, some human element passed through the music. Good music lingers. It exerts a pull not just on the listeners, but also on other musicians. It's distinctive and has a human stamp. It's not just an expression of technique and form, and this is the critical point -- the "good" part of music often lies in the mistakes, in the deviations from form, in the surprising atonalities and happy accidents.
 
2012-06-18 02:43:59 PM

Lollipop165: JudgeItoBox: Do you stand behind turn tables? Do you take other people's music and shuffle between tracks at a high frequency? Can you produce anything of value without sampling other works? Is "DJ" part of your name and/or occupational description?

Then you are not a musician. Kindly die: deadmaus, skrillex, whoever the chucklefark is in TFA.

In before "gramps".

You do realize in general what you consider DJ's are really producers: Keoki, Van Buren, Van Dyke, Carl Cox, Daft Punk, Paul Okenfold, yes and even deadmou5, etc. Yeah, there's a lot of sampling. There's also a lot of original mixes. Guetta does sample a lot more than the others, but that is also because his productions are for pop stars, not just clubs.

The music that these guys make are what DJ's spin at shows.

DJ's are like the radio jokeys or middle men of the dance music world.

The producers are who people pay to see.


I don't get when people complain about sampling. Daft Punk's discovery is almost entirely sampling of songs from the seventies. The key difference is I think is how original the song sounds. I like Guetta's mixes, but I am not a fan of the genre. I always considered pop to be every genre, just specific songs from each genre that have mass appeal.
 
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