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2012-06-18 09:16:46 AM  

zamboni: Oh... they have "elections" coming up? Well, they'd better make sure they have plenty of ammunition, tear gas and prison space. You know... to be sure the will of the people is being followed.


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2012-06-18 09:19:01 AM  
Just hope it doesn't come to backfire and hurt us. The supreme council of Iran isn't happy he is not conservative enough and want some one more religious and fundamentalist in the position. He is considered way too moderate for the role.
 
2012-06-18 09:19:18 AM  

TsukasaK: karnal: So that is your litmus test for being a maniac? Whether or not you have invaded another country? Interesting.

Indeed. This changes everything.

Ted Bundy = Not a maniac
Lockerbie Bomber = Not a maniac either
Columbine Kids = Nope, not maniacs.
Eisenhower = A maniac
George W Bush = Maniac as hell


At least it passes the Hitler test. That is, at least Hitler counts as a maniac under this definition.
 
2012-06-18 09:24:03 AM  
I too, wonder what the nature of the conflict between the Supreme leader and Dinnerjacket is. I'm hoping they are none too pleased with how their economy is going, and the failure to get the west to lift sanctions.
 
2012-06-18 09:24:42 AM  

limeyfellow: Just hope it doesn't come to backfire and hurt us. The supreme council of Iran isn't happy he is not conservative enough and want some one more religious and fundamentalist in the position. He is considered way too moderate for the role.


It's not his positions, it's his attitude. He's too loud for their taste. Seems like they want to drift out of the international spotlight, whereas Ahmadinejad wanted to push Iran to be a world leader
 
2012-06-18 09:26:34 AM  
another enemy of the USA that will have fallen out of power thanks to Obama
 
2012-06-18 09:28:58 AM  
limeyfellow

Just hope it doesn't come to backfire and hurt us. The supreme council of Iran isn't happy he is not conservative enough and want some one more religious and fundamentalist in the position. He is considered way too moderate for the role.



Anyone who would say "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" about Israel is not a moderate.
 
2012-06-18 09:33:07 AM  

Leader O'Cola: another enemy of the USA that will have fallen out of power thanks to Obama


From TFA: He's barred by law from seeking a third consecutive term in 2013.

Thank you, Obama, for passing this Iranian law!
 
2012-06-18 09:41:21 AM  
You know, you have this guy who had a LOT of people killed in 2009 just to be elected. That's a lot of dedication and commitment. Now he wants out? Either he's the most wishy-washy person in the world or the religious leaders there are real butts.
 
2012-06-18 09:43:32 AM  

Leader O'Cola: another enemy of the USA that will have fallen out of power thanks to Obama


memeorama.com
 
2012-06-18 09:46:06 AM  

Drubell: You know, you have this guy who had a LOT of people killed in 2009 just to be elected. That's a lot of dedication and commitment. Now he wants out? Either he's the most wishy-washy person in the world or the religious leaders there are real butts.


Those whishy-washy politicians following legally mandated term limits. Despicable.
 
2012-06-18 09:48:31 AM  
"President of Iran decides to not illegally run for reelection."

Great story. Let's get more like it.
 
2012-06-18 09:48:46 AM  
I dislike Ahmadinejad as much or more as the next guy, but I still can't help but be nervous about his departure.

The fact that the Ayatollah has increased his grip on the country as a result of winning the power struggle with Ahmadinejad is disturbing.

Let's hope that this provides the Iranian people with an opportunity to revolt. Otherwise this doesn't bode well at all.
 
2012-06-18 09:48:59 AM  

Drubell: You know, you have this guy who had a LOT of people killed in 2009 just to be elected.


That's a very unfair characterization. Most of those people were going to be killed anyways, independent of whether an election was going on or not.
 
2012-06-18 09:49:05 AM  

Heron: Oh for fark's-sake what a terrible article. We might not like it for whatever reason (I guess because having them kick us out over the Shah was embarrassing?) but Iran is a functional democracy where power has been exchanged peaceably ever since the ruthless, torturing dictator that we put on top of them was removed. Comparing a successful populist president to Putin? Seriously? Putin has reporters with broken necks thrown out of Fifth storey windows. Putin has bloggers abducted from the airport and dumped in front of hospitals with a bullet in their head. Putin has the Russian mob poison and cut the breaklines of critics and opponents that flee the country, or get elected in neighboring, actual democracies. You can say many honest, unflattering things about the Iranian regime, but that its president is a murderous, unrestricted tyrant certainly isn't one of them.

Ahmadinejad may be a controversial figure -mostly because of how dedicated our media seems to be towards misquoting him and taking his statements out of context, as Juan Cole has so powerfully argued- but he is still, without a doubt, a democratically elected leader, the executive of a power-balancing, parliamentary government, and emphatically not a Putinesque dictator. He isn't leaving because of some "power struggle" with Khomeini; he's leaving because his goddamn term is up, the same way any honestly democratic leader does.

Honestly, if Pravda or some Iranian newspaper came out with a story of how Shrub left the White House in 2008 due to him losing a power-struggle with Chief Justice Roberts, and darkly alluding to his possible return despite the law in four years, you'd all be on here mocking it and chuckling about how moronic the premise was. But, because this story involves a country you've been Pavloved into hating, you all are actually -shamefully- willing to take such ridiculous, evidence-free, conspiracy-bullshiat seriously. It'd be laughable if the fact that so many citizens of the world's biggest owner of nuclear weapons swallow lazy propaganda without the slightest critical thought wasn't also really farking frightening.


Not sure if serious.bmp
 
2012-06-18 09:49:53 AM  

Leeds: The fact that the Ayatollah has increased his grip on the country as a result of winning the power struggle with Ahmadinejad is disturbing.


Was it ever really a struggle?
 
2012-06-18 09:49:55 AM  

Heron: Iran is a functional democracy


What a functional democracy might look like
 
2012-06-18 09:50:16 AM  
So the figurehead is being changed. The mullahs continue to run the country and I'm sure that we will announce that we are waiting for the new figurehead to come into place so that we can say that we are "beginning a new dialogue". Point to Iran for gaining more time to continue their nuclear program.
 
2012-06-18 09:53:05 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Heron: Iran is a functional democracy

What a functional democracy might look like


So anytime college students riot, the government must be overturned? What does that say about the US? I'm not saying that Iran is a shining example of democracy, but your argument is asinine.
 
2012-06-18 09:55:21 AM  

Lost Thought 00: HeartBurnKid: Heron: Iran is a functional democracy

What a functional democracy might look like

So anytime college students riot, the government must be overturned? What does that say about the US? I'm not saying that Iran is a shining example of democracy, but your argument is asinine.


Yeah, sure, that's all it was. A bunch of college kids rioting for no reason at all. Keep believing that.
 
2012-06-18 09:55:50 AM  

Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.


Gheyzex.
 
2012-06-18 09:58:44 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Heron: Iran is a functional democracy

What a functional democracy might look like


They lost, they whined, police got a bit beat-y.

Yeah, that pretty much is democracy.
 
2012-06-18 10:05:51 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Heron: Iran is a functional democracy

What a functional democracy might look like


Actually, that kind of proves the point. The reason the protests were so huge wasn't because people wanted to get rid of the post-revolution system of government. They were huge because people thought the elections were rigged for the first time. Before that, the list of candidates were limited to those clerically approved, but at least people thought their votes were being tallied honestly.

Lots of Iranians (most ex-pats plus wealthier and better-educated people in Tehran) would like to get rid of the Islamic Republic, but probably a majority of the people in Iran want it. Basically, it's a democracy, only with a council of self-appointed religious conservatives standing in for the Supreme Court. It's a bad system, but it's not the sort of fake democracy you saw in the Warsaw Pact and most of the Arab world.

/Never been there, but I've read "Reading Lolita in Tehran" and "The Ayatollah Begs to Differ," so I'm way ahead of most of you Farkers.
 
2012-06-18 10:09:52 AM  

Heron: Oh for fark's-sake what a terrible article. We might not like it for whatever reason (I guess because having them kick us out over the Shah was embarrassing?) but Iran is a functional democracy where power has been exchanged peaceably ever since the ruthless, torturing dictator that we put on top of them was removed. Comparing a successful populist president to Putin? Seriously? Putin has reporters with broken necks thrown out of Fifth storey windows. Putin has bloggers abducted from the airport and dumped in front of hospitals with a bullet in their head. Putin has the Russian mob poison and cut the breaklines of critics and opponents that flee the country, or get elected in neighboring, actual democracies. You can say many honest, unflattering things about the Iranian regime, but that its president is a murderous, unrestricted tyrant certainly isn't one of them.

Ahmadinejad may be a controversial figure -mostly because of how dedicated our media seems to be towards misquoting him and taking his statements out of context, as Juan Cole has so powerfully argued- but he is still, without a doubt, a democratically elected leader, the executive of a power-balancing, parliamentary government, and emphatically not a Putinesque dictator. He isn't leaving because of some "power struggle" with Khomeini; he's leaving because his goddamn term is up, the same way any honestly democratic leader does.

Honestly, if Pravda or some Iranian newspaper came out with a story of how Shrub left the White House in 2008 due to him losing a power-struggle with Chief Justice Roberts, and darkly alluding to his possible return despite the law in four years, you'd all be on here mocking it and chuckling about how moronic the premise was. But, because this story involves a country you've been Pavloved into hating, you all are actually -shamefully- willing to take such ridiculous, evidence-free, conspiracy-bullshiat seriously. It'd be laughable if the fact that so many citizens of the ...


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2012-06-18 10:11:12 AM  

advex101: So the figurehead is being changed. The mullahs continue to run the country and I'm sure that we will announce that we are waiting for the new figurehead to come into place so that we can say that we are "beginning a new dialogue". Point to Iran for gaining more time to continue their nuclear program.


Talks to end their nuclear enrichment program are underway now, and if you read a little, you might know that Ahmadinejad is mad that he's being cut out of that altogether. Iran's probably going to give up the 20-percent enrichment program, and their stockpile of near-weapons-grade enriched uranium, while trying to hang on to their low-enriched reactor fuel program, because the sanctions stopping their oil shipments are really going to bite them hard when they go into effect in July.

/So sez the Financial Times, anyway.
 
2012-06-18 10:14:29 AM  
Going to Disneyland?
 
2012-06-18 10:15:42 AM  

Antimatter: I too, wonder what the nature of the conflict between the Supreme leader and Dinnerjacket is. I'm hoping they are none too pleased with how their economy is going, and the failure to get the west to lift sanctions.


I take it as a sign the sanctions are working.
 
2012-06-18 10:23:18 AM  
On one hand, it would be really nice if all contemporary maniacal dictators thought this way. It would save a lot of lives, and a lot of other miscellaneous trouble. Not as much as if they never went into politics in the first place, but still a vast improvement over the likes of the Libyan and Syrian situations.

On the other hand, considering the Supreme Leader, there is still plenty of room for this to not end well at all.
 
2012-06-18 10:35:01 AM  

corneliusfiddlebone: Nemo's Brother
2012-06-18 05:09:32 AM
The CNN comments are amusing. A page full of libs supporting and praising him.

You must be high.


40 years after Watergate the ghost of Richard M. Nixon still looms large over a Republican Party that will think nothing wrong over lying and making crap up .... anything to stick it to the libby lib libs and nothing to further real society.
 
2012-06-18 10:37:35 AM  
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2012-06-18 10:40:18 AM  

Nemo's Brother: The CNN comments are amusing. A page full of libs supporting and praising him.


Oh, do shut up.
 
2012-06-18 10:41:47 AM  
heron Were you here in 2009? Do you remember that there were like 54 FARK discussion threads on the most likely stealing of the election and the Iranian protests in response? Someone post some pics for "Everything's Fine" Heron, I can't from my celphone.
 
2012-06-18 11:00:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Oh and the president doesn't control the military. Or really much of anything. So all Ahmedinejad's talk, is just that. And responding to it as if it carried any real waitweight, by say, mentioning military action, is not really worth it and makes whoever does it look bad.


Pretty much this. Ahmadinejad was basically a populist president and in the Middle-East anti-Zionist/Jew rhetoric is what plays to the rural base (which was where his power lay). Rather convenient for the hawks, neocons, and Israeli paranoids though. The internal power structure of Iran is actually rather complex and opaque. One rather decent graphical depiction.

/"The Iranian Bush" would be a nice legacy for him
 
2012-06-18 11:16:09 AM  

Muta: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

Pretty much this. Khamenei is displeased with Ahmadinejad because he is too confrontational with the west or not confrontational enough. The Iranian economy is in the crapper and it's there because Ahmadinejad's hard line with the west. I wonder if this could signal a beginning in an easing of tensions.


I also wonder about this purported conflict between Ahmadinejad and Khamenei: is it driven by Khameneis' desire to be more confrontational with other nations? by Khameneis' desire to enforce a more conservative society? By Khameneis' desire to exercise ever greater internal control over the Iranian people? Or something else entirely?

Despite my curiosity, I cringe at suggestions that one outcome might be better or worse for the United States. There is something about we Americans posting "We'd better hope that xxxx, or it could be really bad for us." and similar comments that just makes me cringe. I feel it shows us to be complete narcissistic, self-centered, and selfish children. Screw the Iranian people and the people living in the region, for the USA everything is "What about America? What about me? How will this affect me? Me, me, me." With such a self-centered attitude, it is amazing that we are ever not in a war somewhere. I find it profoundly depressing.
 
2012-06-18 11:53:26 AM  

themindiswatching: Nemo's Brother: A page full of libs supporting and praising him.

Trolling knows no political party.


Nor is this the first time Nemo's Brother has made up stupid shiat about what "liberals" are doing or saying. I'm not sure which would be worse: that he makes up bald-faced lies, or that he's so far down the rabbit hole he honestly believes what he says.
 
2012-06-18 12:03:50 PM  

Heron: Oh for fark's-sake what a terrible article. We might not like it for whatever reason (I guess because having them kick us out over the Shah was embarrassing?) but Iran is a functional democracy where power has been exchanged peaceably ever since the ruthless, torturing dictator that we put on top of them was removed. Comparing a successful populist president to Putin? [...]. But, because this story involves a country you've been Pavloved into hating, you all are actually -shamefully- willing to take such ridiculous, evidence-free, conspiracy-bullshiat seriously. It'd be laughable if the fact that so many citizens of the ...


So, you simultaneously chastise us for believing the article without proof, then make a number of claims for which you give no evidence. Are you expecting us to believe what you say without proof?
 
2012-06-18 12:36:25 PM  

Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.


If you bothered to keep up with the news, you'd know Khamenei dislikes Ahmadinejad's constant posturing, overt threats to Israel, saber-rattling, and general douchebaggery. Khamenei's preferred policy would be to stay small and silent, and try to keep relations with the West, if not cordial, at least not openly hostile.

Iran has much more to lose by constant aggression and war than either Israel or America. Khamenei is smart enough to know that.
 
2012-06-18 12:42:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

If you bothered to keep up with the news, you'd know Khamenei dislikes Ahmadinejad's constant posturing, overt threats to Israel, saber-rattling, and general douchebaggery. Khamenei's preferred policy would be to stay small and silent, and try to keep relations with the West, if not cordial, at least not openly hostile.

Iran has much more to lose by constant aggression and war than either Israel or America. Khamenei is smart enough to know that.


Im pretty sure you could have explained that without being a douche.
 
2012-06-18 02:07:56 PM  
Ahmaneedajob.
 
2012-06-18 02:19:49 PM  

Heron: It'd be laughable if the fact that so many citizens of the world's biggest owner of nuclear weapons swallow lazy propaganda without the slightest critical thought wasn't also really farking frightening.


How do you think the nuclear weapons were justified in the first place?
 
2012-06-18 03:38:53 PM  

Gunny Highway: Gyrfalcon: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

If you bothered to keep up with the news, you'd know Khamenei dislikes Ahmadinejad's constant posturing, overt threats to Israel, saber-rattling, and general douchebaggery. Khamenei's preferred policy would be to stay small and silent, and try to keep relations with the West, if not cordial, at least not openly hostile.

Iran has much more to lose by constant aggression and war than either Israel or America. Khamenei is smart enough to know that.

Im pretty sure you could have explained that without being a douche.


???

If I wanted to be "a douche" to you, you'd know it.
 
2012-06-18 03:42:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Gunny Highway: Gyrfalcon: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

If you bothered to keep up with the news, you'd know Khamenei dislikes Ahmadinejad's constant posturing, overt threats to Israel, saber-rattling, and general douchebaggery. Khamenei's preferred policy would be to stay small and silent, and try to keep relations with the West, if not cordial, at least not openly hostile.

Iran has much more to lose by constant aggression and war than either Israel or America. Khamenei is smart enough to know that.

Im pretty sure you could have explained that without being a douche.

???

If I wanted to be "a douche" to you, you'd know it.


I trust that you are one.
 
2012-06-18 03:51:40 PM  

Gunny Highway: Gyrfalcon: Gunny Highway: Gyrfalcon: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

If you bothered to keep up with the news, you'd know Khamenei dislikes Ahmadinejad's constant posturing, overt threats to Israel, saber-rattling, and general douchebaggery. Khamenei's preferred policy would be to stay small and silent, and try to keep relations with the West, if not cordial, at least not openly hostile.

Iran has much more to lose by constant aggression and war than either Israel or America. Khamenei is smart enough to know that.

Im pretty sure you could have explained that without being a douche.

???

If I wanted to be "a douche" to you, you'd know it.

I trust that you are one.


What in my reply to you was so douchey that you felt the need to comment? You don't know me vewwy well, do you?
 
2012-06-18 04:08:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Gunny Highway: Gyrfalcon: Gunny Highway: Gyrfalcon: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

If you bothered to keep up with the news, you'd know Khamenei dislikes Ahmadinejad's constant posturing, overt threats to Israel, saber-rattling, and general douchebaggery. Khamenei's preferred policy would be to stay small and silent, and try to keep relations with the West, if not cordial, at least not openly hostile.

Iran has much more to lose by constant aggression and war than either Israel or America. Khamenei is smart enough to know that.

Im pretty sure you could have explained that without being a douche.

???

If I wanted to be "a douche" to you, you'd know it.

I trust that you are one.

What in my reply to you was so douchey that you felt the need to comment? You don't know me vewwy well, do you?


First I'll address the douchiness. See the bold above.

But I have to wonder why it is that you think that The Ayatollah is less anti-American than Ahmadinejad. I have been following the power struggle between the two for years but I never got the impression that either of them was anything more than a jerk in need of a bullet to the brain.

In fact, as much of a rat as Ahmadinejad was, he was still fairly easy to read. He changed his positions constantly depending on his audience. Of course that doesn't make him an effective leader, but it does make him someone you can calculate moves against. The Ayatollah on the other hand is simply a radical cult leader bent on destroying the world and stripping the freedoms from his subjects.

Again, both men are not deserving of anything more expensive than a 22 bullet, but at least when they were fighting the country was a joke. If Ahmadinejad's replacement is a puppet of the Ayatollah, they could present a force that we would need to combat more directly...
 
2012-06-18 04:20:28 PM  

Leeds: First I'll address the douchiness. See the bold above.

But I have to wonder why it is that you think that The Ayatollah is less anti-American than Ahmadinejad. I have been following the power struggle between the two for years but I never got the impression that either of them was anything more than a jerk in need of a bullet to the brain.

In fact, as much of a rat as Ahmadinejad was, he was still fairly easy to read. He changed his positions constantly depending on his audience. Of course that doesn't make him an effective leader, but it does make him someone you can calculate moves against. The Ayatollah on the other hand is simply a radical cult leader bent on destroying the world and stripping the freedoms from his subjects.

Again, both men are not deserving of anything more expensive than a 22 bullet, but at least when they were fighting the country was a joke. If Ahmadinejad's replacement is a puppet of the Ayatollah, they could present a force that we would need to combat more directly...



I am so sorry...that I damaged your tender sensibilities with a comment that I make daily to better people than you and your numerous alts. Or as we say [welcometofark.jpg]. It's not my fault that all three of your multiple personalities can't handle one snide comment that's generally milder than I bestow upon trolls and idiots. If you can't handle that mild of a remark, how do you mange the rest of Fark? My god, there are some troll-haters here that would crucify you on your own alt board. And THAT'S how to be a douchebag.

For the rest, you do understand that Ayatollah KHAMENEI is not the same person as the Ayatollah KOHMENEI? The latter has been dead quite some time. The former is the current Grand Ayatollah of the Council of Guardians who has told Ahmadinejad on more than one occasion to tone down the rhetoric. He's not the evil cult leader you seem to think, otherwise, the Middle East would be a lake of fire by now.
 
2012-06-18 05:27:18 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The CNN comments are amusing. A page full of libs supporting and praising him.



A page full of conservative trolls pretending they are liberal and praising him, you mean.
 
2012-06-18 05:30:24 PM  

Muta: Jonathan Hohensee: I'm interested in what his conflicts with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was over.

Pretty much this. Khamenei is displeased with Ahmadinejad because he is too confrontational with the west or not confrontational enough. The Iranian economy is in the crapper and it's there because Ahmadinejad's hard line with the west. I wonder if this could signal a beginning in an easing of tensions.



Because the hard line stance has caused economic hardship in Iran with every country turning against it. Not only can they not sell oil, they have huge sanctions against them,viruses against their infrastructure, and their scientists are being killed.

They tried acting tough but never backed it up, America called their bluff. Saudi Arabia is scared of a tip of power to Iran so America will do anything to stop it.
 
2012-06-18 07:10:23 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: He's going to move in with his partner in the Village.


Oooh, I smell a sitcom! Quick, somebody call Fox!
 
2012-06-18 09:07:34 PM  
Hang on to your skyscrapers.
 
2012-06-19 12:28:54 AM  

404 page not found: zamboni: Oh... they have "elections" coming up? Well, they'd better make sure they have plenty of ammunition, tear gas and prison space. You know... to be sure the will of the people is being followed.

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