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2012-06-17 09:03:46 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-06-17 09:05:32 PM  
991.com
 
2012-06-17 09:19:20 PM  
I'll eat 4 helpings!
 
2012-06-17 09:27:18 PM  
I kept reading "health claims" as "health clams" and was wondering how anyone could eat 4,000 (or even 222) of them.

Health Clams: Food of the FUTURE!
 
2012-06-17 09:31:16 PM  
No little chocolate donut holes?

Huh. I guess my dinner tonight isn't the healthiest. Meal. EVER.

/I sound fat
//but I'm not
 
2012-06-17 09:35:21 PM  
Why does TFA hate America?
 
2012-06-17 09:36:56 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-17 09:40:47 PM  
As an added benefit, the blancmange can play for England at Wimbledon.
 
2012-06-17 09:43:57 PM  
Now you just have to eat that through your anus...
 
2012-06-17 09:47:31 PM  

NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]


What he said.
 
2012-06-17 10:04:14 PM  
Just ask this scientician!

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-17 10:13:29 PM  

NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]


That plate looks like garbage
 
2012-06-17 10:15:46 PM  

cretinbob: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

That plate looks like garbage British


But that's really the same thing.
 
2012-06-17 10:16:21 PM  
Did I really just hit superscript instead of strikethrough? Goddammit.
 
2012-06-17 10:39:20 PM  
But can it play tennis?
 
2012-06-17 11:13:29 PM  
I am disappoint. I was hoping it was some sort of frosting I could eat that tastes like heaven yet is the healthiest thing on earth.
 
2012-06-18 12:20:20 AM  
I don't see MetRx anywhere on the package.
 
2012-06-18 12:21:29 AM  
I totally misread that headline as 'Heaviest. Metal. EVER. I am leaving disappointed.
 
2012-06-18 12:22:01 AM  
More image macros from the "Women smiling at food" collection:

i.dailymail.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-06-18 12:22:44 AM  

NewportBarGuy:


Mmmmmmm English Breakfast.
 
2012-06-18 12:23:35 AM  
Healthiest meal ever: After editing thousands of claims, scientists serve up a superdish


Yeah, I misread it as reading "eating thousands of clams, scientists serve up superfish'.
 
2012-06-18 12:24:56 AM  
I thought they already did this, and the healthiest food ever was a type of nut paste. Maybe that was cheapest food ever.
 
2012-06-18 12:28:09 AM  
Activated charcoal tablets? Seriously?!?!
 
2012-06-18 12:32:06 AM  
All well and good until you die of mercury poisoning from the fish.
 
2012-06-18 12:33:07 AM  
img545.imageshack.us

Super-size it!
 
2012-06-18 12:38:08 AM  
It's my body and I'll kill it any damned way I please.
 
2012-06-18 12:39:33 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought they already did this, and the healthiest food ever was a type of nut paste. Maybe that was cheapest food ever.


My nut paste is remarkably healthy.
 
2012-06-18 12:39:38 AM  
Can I get one of those, but deep-fried, with extra butter and salt?
 
2012-06-18 12:42:48 AM  
t0.gstatic.com

What a Leatherhead Food Researcher looks like.
 
2012-06-18 12:46:09 AM  
If I'm peckish later, activated charcoal tablets? How about you suck the corn out of my shiat and we call that a supermeal?
 
2012-06-18 12:53:42 AM  

FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.


What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
www.uaz.edu.mx
 
2012-06-18 12:53:46 AM  
Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.
 
2012-06-18 12:55:28 AM  
Sounds expensive.
 
2012-06-18 12:56:13 AM  

404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]


That's a delicious looking lasagna. With Hamburger Helper on top, I'm guessing. Ooh, and it's measured in inches, my favorite.
 
2012-06-18 12:58:38 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.


fark a fish, make a wish!
 
2012-06-18 01:00:00 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.


Salmon is a fresh water fish.
 
2012-06-18 01:01:14 AM  
raw broccoli
 
2012-06-18 01:01:34 AM  
Raw liver is the Healthiest. Meal. Ever. Provides all the nutrients the body needs.

\why europeans became tall, healthy and long lived.
 
2012-06-18 01:02:28 AM  
mobile.zcommunications.org

Bread roll = loaded with gluten

As to chicken

dingo.care2.com

And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

curezone.com

Other than all that, this advice is busy body suckage. STFU and go have a BBQ.
 
2012-06-18 01:04:14 AM  
I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.
 
2012-06-18 01:05:31 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salmon is a fresh water fish.


Sadly, nowhere is safe.
 
2012-06-18 01:07:13 AM  
You better watch out for the blancmange. Especially with Wimbledon only a week away!

orangecow.org
 
2012-06-18 01:07:47 AM  
Only the British could think cold mushed-up fish is the best thing ever.

Just eat a piece of grilled salmon.
 
2012-06-18 01:08:07 AM  
Nice.

Where's the gravy?.
 
2012-06-18 01:08:38 AM  
Salad is not food. Salad is what food eats.
 
2012-06-18 01:09:40 AM  

NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]


That looks terrible.
 
2012-06-18 01:14:30 AM  

404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]


I think I've eaten lasagna or a reasonably similar italian dish that looked a lot like that. It looks delicious.
 
2012-06-18 01:15:00 AM  

Well Armed Sheep: I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.


Sweet potatoes are good for you. Unfortunately, they taste like excrement.

\never actually tasted excrement, had a bad experience eating sweet potatoes at the age of four. Will never eat it again.
 
2012-06-18 01:15:52 AM  
The scientists also included their own sports drink creation which could genuinely claim to boost performance.

Bingo.

/red flags started flying when they went with "sugar free caramel" over honey. Or hell, even just freaking fruit it's for the freaking yogurt.
 
2012-06-18 01:16:36 AM  

birdistasty: Activated charcoal tablets? Seriously?!?!


Ya, that's just weird. I prefer silica packets.
 
2012-06-18 01:18:23 AM  

Smackledorfer: 404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]

I think I've eaten lasagna or a reasonably similar italian dish that looked a lot like that. It looks delicious.


Reminded me of pastitsio (greek casserole).

Now I know what I'm gonna make for dinner tomorrow (my bastardized eggplant and tomato version of it) (mmm yummy)
 
2012-06-18 01:19:23 AM  

Tyranicle: Raw liver is the Healthiest. Meal. Ever. Provides all the nutrients the body needs.

\why europeans became tall, healthy and long lived.


Why not eat your HEPA filter, too? Yummy, concentrated toxins!
 
2012-06-18 01:19:49 AM  

Tyranicle: Well Armed Sheep: I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.

Sweet potatoes are good for you. Unfortunately, they taste like excrement.

\never actually tasted excrement, had a bad experience eating sweet potatoes at the age of four. Will never eat it again.


I don't see how. I've eaten them raw and they still taste ok.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The scientists also included their own sports drink creation which could genuinely claim to boost performance.

Bingo.

/red flags started flying when they went with "sugar free caramel" over honey. Or hell, even just freaking fruit it's for the freaking yogurt.


Scientists have a track record of actually creating sports-related drinks that boost performance though.

/full disclosure: I have not read the article
 
2012-06-18 01:20:22 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salmon is a fresh water fish.


Kokanee salmon are exclusively freshwater; the others spend most of their time in the ocean.
 
2012-06-18 01:20:36 AM  
This is based on the marketing claims by British grocery stores about their prepared foods. Fail.
 
2012-06-18 01:21:21 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.

Salmon is a fresh water fish.


They spawn in fresh water then migrate to the ocean to spend 5+ years before returning to spawn.
 
2012-06-18 01:22:17 AM  
Why do the mods green this crap?

Why does uncle Paul touch me in naughty places?
 
2012-06-18 01:24:09 AM  

Tyranicle: Raw liver is the Healthiest. Meal. Ever. Provides all the nutrients the body needs.

\why europeans became tall, healthy and long lived.


Not to mention ambitious. Look at all those wars where millions were slaughtered over who rules.

By the way, who or what's raw liver are they eating?
 
2012-06-18 01:25:17 AM  

Tyranicle: Well Armed Sheep: I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.

Sweet potatoes are good for you. Unfortunately, they taste like excrement.

\never actually tasted excrement, had a bad experience eating sweet potatoes at the age of four. Will never eat it again.


You're supposed to steam them first!
 
2012-06-18 01:25:19 AM  

fjnorton: Why do the mods green this crap?

Why does uncle Paul touch me in naughty places?


Because you wear such revealing clothing, you tramp.
 
2012-06-18 01:27:32 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Smackledorfer: 404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]

I think I've eaten lasagna or a reasonably similar italian dish that looked a lot like that. It looks delicious.

Reminded me of pastitsio (greek casserole).

Now I know what I'm gonna make for dinner tomorrow (my bastardized eggplant and tomato version of it) (mmm yummy)


I made eggplant rollatini tonight for the first time. Nailed it! And by that, I mean I made sweet, sweet love to it.
 
2012-06-18 01:27:47 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Smackledorfer: 404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]

I think I've eaten lasagna or a reasonably similar italian dish that looked a lot like that. It looks delicious.

Reminded me of pastitsio (greek casserole).

Now I know what I'm gonna make for dinner tomorrow (my bastardized eggplant and tomato version of it) (mmm yummy)


i felt bad cause i stared hungrily at it for a bit before i read and realized what it was...
 
2012-06-18 01:29:38 AM  
Fark walnuts.

This is what I ate yesterday.
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

And today, I stuffed my face full of fair food, mmmm cinnamon funnel cake, mmmm cotton candy, mmmm chese covered curly fries.

// didn't have anything that was dipped in batter and fried though. I'm not a big batter fan (too much dough). If they could find a way to fry these things without batter I would be all there.
 
2012-06-18 01:29:48 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.

Salmon is a fresh water fish.


It's a good thing we don't dump toxic substances in our rivers, then!
 
2012-06-18 01:30:19 AM  

404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]


You know...that actually looks farking tasty!

/Not fat.
 
2012-06-18 01:32:14 AM  
404 page not found : What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.

That looks delicious, and not just because some of my ancestors were cannibals.
 
2012-06-18 01:32:17 AM  
Eat Mor Chikin.
If you're in California, and can't Eat Mor Chikin, just Eat Mor Avocado. And Pesto. And Garlic. And In 'N Out.
 
2012-06-18 01:33:00 AM  
emilyk.typepad.com
Delicious and nutritious.

Not perfect. Nothing is. something something different chemistries.
 
2012-06-18 01:35:53 AM  

Barbecue Bob: Delicious and nutritious.

Not perfect. Nothing is. something something different chemistries.


Ooh, is that labia stew?
 
2012-06-18 01:37:15 AM  

mikefinch: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Smackledorfer: 404 page not found: FloydA: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

What he said.

What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.
[www.uaz.edu.mx image 597x400]

I think I've eaten lasagna or a reasonably similar italian dish that looked a lot like that. It looks delicious.

Reminded me of pastitsio (greek casserole).

Now I know what I'm gonna make for dinner tomorrow (my bastardized eggplant and tomato version of it) (mmm yummy)

i felt bad cause i stared hungrily at it for a bit before i read and realized what it was...


Sitting through an emergency medicine class, the lecturer presented a picture of an open femur fracture. It looked exactly like prime rib with a bone through it. It looked delicious. NSFW. farkin' disgusting and/or delicious.
 
2012-06-18 01:37:21 AM  
Steak is god protein.
 
2012-06-18 01:38:50 AM  

lordargent: 404 page not found : What NBG and FA's atherosclerotic aortic arteries look like.

That looks delicious, and not just because some of my ancestors were cannibals.


Sounds like you're seeking a TF sponsorship.
 
2012-06-18 01:38:52 AM  
ihatemymessageboard.com
 
2012-06-18 01:38:56 AM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom : Ooh, is that labia stew?

I pity the foo who don't know pho.
 
2012-06-18 01:39:19 AM  
Ah, the English. Advice from the culture that once conqured half of this planet but still warms their beers and chills their baths and never did figure out forced air furnaces or cable television.

Pass.
 
2012-06-18 01:39:20 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salmon is a fresh water fish.


except for the part of it's life that is spent at sea...

Salmon are predators, and like pedos they prefer young prey and smaller fish. The mercury builds up. AFAIK it really don't matter if the water is fresh or salt, although I would guess more mercury in the sea because of all the combined run off. Still lots of mercury in addition to what is already there naturally. Mostly from our coal. I would think mercury would be high in areas with active coal use, mining and mining for precious metals. Gold mining makes use of mercury and this is becoming a concern.
 
2012-06-18 01:41:03 AM  

lordargent: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom : Ooh, is that labia stew?

I pity the foo who don't know pho.


Ever been to OB Noodle House?
 
2012-06-18 01:44:13 AM  

Barbecue Bob: [emilyk.typepad.com image 450x337]
Delicious and nutritious.

Not perfect. Nothing is. something something different chemistries.


Phõ Tai is wonderful. But any other variation on the meat involves seriously mystery meat. And the beefballs cause the smelliest farts ever. Stay with Phô Tai and you'll get good brisket, that includes in the real Vietnam.
 
2012-06-18 01:46:37 AM  

404 page not found: lordargent: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom : Ooh, is that labia stew?

I pity the foo who don't know pho.

Ever been to OB Noodle House?


The Pho place on Clairmont Mesa and Kearny Villa is really good to. I can't remember the name of it though.
 
2012-06-18 01:47:37 AM  

12349876: You better watch out for the blancmange. Especially with Wimbledon only a week away!

[orangecow.org image 404x300]


+1
 
2012-06-18 01:48:19 AM  
I don't care what's in it. I'm not eating it.
 
2012-06-18 01:50:29 AM  

titwrench: 404 page not found: lordargent: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom : Ooh, is that labia stew?

I pity the foo who don't know pho.

Ever been to OB Noodle House?

The Pho place on Clairmont Mesa and Kearny Villa is really good to. I can't remember the name of it though.


Jasmine is the only thing that comes to mind but that's dim sum.
 
2012-06-18 02:00:15 AM  

404 page not found: titwrench: 404 page not found: lordargent: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom : Ooh, is that labia stew?

I pity the foo who don't know pho.

Ever been to OB Noodle House?

The Pho place on Clairmont Mesa and Kearny Villa is really good to. I can't remember the name of it though.

Jasmine is the only thing that comes to mind but that's dim sum.


Phò Cali and Grill.
 
2012-06-18 02:01:37 AM  

404 page not found: Sitting through an emergency medicine class, the lecturer presented a picture of an open femur fracture. It looked exactly like prime rib with a bone through it. It looked delicious. NSFW. farkin' disgusting and/or delicious.


Yes, that is a confusing mixture of feelings. I'd be lying if I claimed I wouldn't go cannibal if necessary. Or just to try it. Whichever.

Strongbeerrules: Ah, the English. Advice from the culture that once conqured half of this planet but still warms their beers and chills their baths and never did figure out forced air furnaces or cable television.

Pass.


They don't have forced air? Sigh. Baseboard heating I'm down with, but swamp coolers are garbage.
 
2012-06-18 02:04:16 AM  

titwrench: Phò Cali and Grill.


Mission Valley? I try to steer clear of there unless I'm going to a Chargers game. But I'll have to check it out when I move back.
 
2012-06-18 02:05:50 AM  

Well Armed Sheep: I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.


a broad i knew in IT would live on yams when she felt fat. she would be healthy and knock off extra weight over a few weeks. she would have some big arse yams too, so she wasn't starving by far.
 
2012-06-18 02:14:23 AM  

404 page not found: titwrench: Phò Cali and Grill.

Mission Valley? I try to steer clear of there unless I'm going to a Chargers game. But I'll have to check it out when I move back.


Kearny Villa over by the Butcher Shop
 
2012-06-18 02:19:01 AM  

Smackledorfer: 404 page not found: Sitting through an emergency medicine class, the lecturer presented a picture of an open femur fracture. It looked exactly like prime rib with a bone through it. It looked delicious. NSFW. farkin' disgusting and/or delicious.

Yes, that is a confusing mixture of feelings. I'd be lying if I claimed I wouldn't go cannibal if necessary. Or just to try it. Whichever.


In Retrospect, I Guess We Might Have Resorted To Cannibalism A Bit Early
 
2012-06-18 02:21:37 AM  

titwrench: 404 page not found: titwrench: Phò Cali and Grill.

Mission Valley? I try to steer clear of there unless I'm going to a Chargers game. But I'll have to check it out when I move back.

Kearny Villa over by the Butcher Shop


noted.
 
2012-06-18 02:21:44 AM  
The Pho at Pho Central in Vancouver is pretty good

i511.photobucket.com

Now I'm hungry
 
2012-06-18 02:22:27 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.

Salmon is a fresh water fish.


I'll just leave the official 2011-2012 Michigan Fish Advisory here and note that only freshwater fish are listed. Mercury, PCBs, Dioxins, and more. Yummy!

/Still loves her lake whitefish, dammit.
 
2012-06-18 02:28:32 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Ah, the English. Advice from the culture that once conqured half of this planet but still warms their beers and chills their baths and never did figure out forced air furnaces or cable television.

Pass.


How's Ronald Reagan going to be a president? Seriously, he's just an actor!!

/in the same decade as Strongbeerrules.
 
2012-06-18 02:41:53 AM  

Clemkadidlefark:
And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

Other than all that, this advice is busy body suckage. STFU and go have a BBQ.


curezone.com

Ok. All my Splenda just got thrown out...
 
2012-06-18 02:41:57 AM  
@Newportbarguy re: Full English Brekkie, now you're talking...
 
2012-06-18 02:48:28 AM  

Gordinho: @Newportbarguy re: Full English Brekkie, now you're talking...


Seriously? I gag every time I see someone eating all that. Puts me right off my Coco Puffs.

Fark - not one bacon reference?

www.mopo.ca
 
2012-06-18 02:53:42 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: mercury in fish.jpg

Correct, consumption of any fish must be done in moderation taking into account the environmental pollution they were raised in.

Bread roll = loaded with gluten

Unless you have celiac disease, gluten is fine.

As to chicken

You have the option of only buying free range poultry.

And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

aspartame mythology.jpg


Completely debunked over two decades ago.
 
2012-06-18 02:56:52 AM  

404 page not found: Smackledorfer: 404 page not found: Sitting through an emergency medicine class, the lecturer presented a picture of an open femur fracture. It looked exactly like prime rib with a bone through it. It looked delicious. NSFW. farkin' disgusting and/or delicious.

Yes, that is a confusing mixture of feelings. I'd be lying if I claimed I wouldn't go cannibal if necessary. Or just to try it. Whichever.


In Retrospect, I Guess We Might Have Resorted To Cannibalism A Bit Early


Have a shpadoinkle day!
 
2012-06-18 03:02:31 AM  
thewisecracker.com

suddenly came over all peckish and I thought to myself, "a little fermented curd will do the trick," so, I curtailed my Walpoling activites, sallied forth, and infiltrated your place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some cheesy comestibles!
 
2012-06-18 03:04:05 AM  

Philbb: Completely debunked over two decades ago.


Do you have a link to the clinical trial where it was debunked? Or are you referring to the FDA "study"?
I haven't seen any actual double-blind trial data for either side of this argument.
 
2012-06-18 03:05:51 AM  
@hamfast, after a night on the lash, nothing better and if you've got to do a full days grind...obviously not everyday, it takes about a week for your arteries to regain equilibrium but every once in a while it's a plate sent down by the food gods ;)
 
2012-06-18 03:07:11 AM  

untaken_name: Philbb: Completely debunked over two decades ago.

Do you have a link to the clinical trial where it was debunked? Or are you referring to the FDA "study"?
I haven't seen any actual double-blind trial data for either side of this argument.


in which case surely no citation debunking is required?
 
2012-06-18 03:13:07 AM  

GAT_00: Did I really just hit superscript instead of strikethrough? Goddammit.


Don't get too worked up about it.... it is a FARK discussion forum, not a doctorates dissertation exam. meh. :-p
 
2012-06-18 03:17:09 AM  

gumpy: untaken_name: Philbb: Completely debunked over two decades ago.

Do you have a link to the clinical trial where it was debunked? Or are you referring to the FDA "study"?
I haven't seen any actual double-blind trial data for either side of this argument.

in which case surely no citation debunking is required?


There is no citation required for stating that one doesn't know what, if any, negative effects aspartame has, or that one doesn't believe it has negative effects. If, however, the assertion is made that the negative effects claimed by the OP have been debunked, a citation is needed. That's an assertion which requires hard data in order to be true - and thus, the data should be available to be cited.
 
2012-06-18 03:27:43 AM  
This just in: Scientists have no idea what the fark they're doing with food or drink.

Oh right, that's not just in, that's over 40 years old for you dumb bastards who believed them when they said eat nothing but pasta and cream cheese.
 
2012-06-18 03:29:22 AM  

oldtaku:
Oh right, that's not just in, that's over 40 years old for you dumb bastards who believed them when they said eat nothing but pasta and cream cheese.


Oop, cottage cheese. But it doesn't really matter, does it?
 
2012-06-18 03:30:36 AM  

12349876: You better watch out for the blancmange. Especially with Wimbledon only a week away!

[orangecow.org image 404x300]


Damnit.


NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-18 03:37:15 AM  

untaken_name: Philbb: Completely debunked over two decades ago.

Do you have a link to the clinical trial where it was debunked? Or are you referring to the FDA "study"?
I haven't seen any actual double-blind trial data for either side of this argument.


Science says it's okay, but some folks without substantiation claim that it's not okay and you want science to to prove one side or the other?

Sure, I'll google that for you.

ACSH Debunks Internet Health Hoax


Study reaffirms safety of aspartame


Clinical Studies on the Side Effects of Aspartame

 
2012-06-18 03:39:26 AM  

hamfast gamgee: Gordinho: @Newportbarguy re: Full English Brekkie, now you're talking...

Seriously? I gag every time I see someone eating all that. Puts me right off my Coco Puffs.

Fark - not one bacon reference?

[www.mopo.ca image 480x360]


That bread is garbage, and I don't even think its toasted. You make me ashamed.
 
2012-06-18 03:46:03 AM  

oldtaku: oldtaku:
Oh right, that's not just in, that's over 40 years old for you dumb bastards who believed them when they said eat nothing but pasta and cream cheese.

Oop, cottage cheese. But it doesn't really matter, does it?


Citation please.

Otherwise all I read was "drrr, scientists don't know nothin cause 1. that one study I read as interpreted by a GED holding magazine writer was crazy and 2. They've updated their views over time, and I'm gonna make up even crazier shiat to prove my point"


Don't get me wrong, I'll give you the history of cholesterol. I'd also counter it with the fact that, regardless of where they fell on eggs and beef over the years, if you wanted to be healthy and followed the prevailing consensus of the time, you would have been pretty healthy.
 
2012-06-18 03:56:40 AM  

Philbb: untaken_name: Philbb: Completely debunked over two decades ago.

Do you have a link to the clinical trial where it was debunked? Or are you referring to the FDA "study"?
I haven't seen any actual double-blind trial data for either side of this argument.

Science says it's okay, but some folks without substantiation claim that it's not okay and you want science to to prove one side or the other?

Sure, I'll google that for you.

ACSH Debunks Internet Health Hoax
Study reaffirms safety of aspartame
Clinical Studies on the Side Effects of Aspartame


Oh, look, another who thinks Google is a substitute for actual research. You'll note that the first link you posted is a debunking of the "turns into formaldehyde when heated" myth, which isn't referenced by the OP, #2 is a 4-month study of fewer than 100 people which didn't address any of the specific claims made by the OP, and was funded by the Nutra-Sweet Co, and #3 provides conflicting "summaries" for both sides but no actual data (including 3 references to the same person's work). Note that I am not claiming that aspartame is dangerous, just that you have not sufficiently proved your case that the negative effects listed have been "debunked". But thanks for googling useless links for me and making me waste my time reading them. That was awesome of you.
 
2012-06-18 04:01:46 AM  

untaken_name: Tyranicle: Raw liver is the Healthiest. Meal. Ever. Provides all the nutrients the body needs.

\why europeans became tall, healthy and long lived.

Why not eat your HEPA filter, too? Yummy, concentrated toxins!


The liver doesn't store toxins, it is packed with enzymes that convert toxins into harmless substances. The liver is where toxins have the least chance of survival. As a result, there is probably no place in your body with a lower concentration of toxins than your liver.
 
2012-06-18 04:04:27 AM  

Smackledorfer:
Citation please.


Sorry, it was pre-internet, therefore pre history. But I lived through those dark times. There were two competing tribes - eat carbs (avoiding meat) and eat protein (avoiding carbs). I vividly remember my mom feeding us pasta for this reason. Then later on, then Atkins diet, both for my Dad. They both had scientific backing if you read Prevention Magazine, because you can prove almost any single factor premise you care to, other than sucking down pure poison.

C'mon, you can still see this now. Is coffee healthy or not? Is alcohol healthy or not? Obviously, if you take a step back, the answer is 'in moderation, yes' but you wouldn't get that from the studies, which need some absolute pronouncement to get some publicity. I believe in science, in the long run, but individual scientists try to be way more fQ#4ing authoritative than they have any right to be.
 
2012-06-18 04:13:11 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salmon is a fresh water fish.


Salmon is a saltwater fish. Of course whether it is saline or estuarine is irrelevant. All fish are contaminated with mercury and the higher up the food chain the more concentrated it is.


//only freshwater when it spawns.

GAT_00: cretinbob: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

That plate looks like garbage British

But that's really the same thing.


Yeah, I was referring to something like this:

farm4.static.flickr.com

known as a garbage plate, and then realized what I was looking at afterwards.
 
2012-06-18 04:19:28 AM  

oldtaku: Smackledorfer:
Citation please.


Sorry, it was pre-internet, therefore pre history. But I lived through those dark times. There were two competing tribes - eat carbs (avoiding meat) and eat protein (avoiding carbs). I vividly remember my mom feeding us pasta for this reason. Then later on, then Atkins diet, both for my Dad. They both had scientific backing if you read Prevention Magazine, because you can prove almost any single factor premise you care to, other than sucking down pure poison.

C'mon, you can still see this now. Is coffee healthy or not? Is alcohol healthy or not? Obviously, if you take a step back, the answer is 'in moderation, yes' but you wouldn't get that from the studies, which need some absolute pronouncement to get some publicity. I believe in science, in the long run, but individual scientists try to be way more fQ#4ing authoritative than they have any right to be.


Actually you would absolutely get the moderation answer from the studies themselves. You wouldn't get that answer from sensationalism in the media.

and I set you backed away from the pasta and cottage cheese diet claim altogether. Now it's two different diets.

Cottage cheese has too many carbs to be cottage cheese only according to a no carbs diet plan, and Atkins recommends veggies and variety.

but why am I not surprised that a child of fad dieters also has a penchant for exaggerating the hell out of facts? nonsensical reasoning runs in the family I suppose.
 
2012-06-18 04:24:38 AM  
I also remember the entire world dying in the 90s because of lack of food, all our resources running out in the 80s, global winter, peak oil, etc etc etc.

I do believe in science in the long run. it's cumulative. But any individual result is probably full of shiat, because individual scientists tend to stick their fingers in their ears and go 'la la la what confounding factors?' because it makes things complicated, and you'll never publish that way.

Which is why I'm ignoring this and just eating reasonably (and deliciously). I eat meat, I eat carbs, I drink wine, I drink beer, I eat veggies, I don't worry about real sugar. I'm middle aged and still incredibly healthy, and I half think it's because I just don't worry myself to death about it. This kind of article is for women who need to know what to eat next without fear - because The Daily Mail, like FOX, spends all its time trying to make sure they're pissing themselves in fear the rest of the time.
 
2012-06-18 04:27:32 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Barbecue Bob: Delicious and nutritious.

Not perfect. Nothing is. something something different chemistries.

Ooh, is that labia stew?


I laughed at this so hard I think I woke my neighbor up.
 
2012-06-18 04:28:06 AM  

birdistasty: Activated charcoal tablets? Seriously?!?!


Good for reducing fartage after eating lots of roughage.
 
2012-06-18 04:29:36 AM  

Smackledorfer: Cottage cheese has too many carbs to be cottage cheese only according to a no carbs diet plan,


Hmm, no, you can have cottage cheese on Atkins. I lived it;. You're just kind of flailing here, kid. CITATION PLZ is http://www.atkins.com/Program/Phase-2/What-You-Can-Eat-in-this-Phase.a spx

nonsensical reasoning runs in the family I suppose.

Yeeeees, that must be it.
 
2012-06-18 04:44:33 AM  

Cyno01: 12349876: You better watch out for the blancmange. Especially with Wimbledon only a week away!

[orangecow.org image 404x300]

Damnit.


NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

[i.imgur.com image 500x846]


Bottom picture needs moar beer.
 
2012-06-18 04:46:18 AM  

untaken_name: You'll note that the first link you posted is a debunking of the "turns into formaldehyde when heated" myth, which isn't referenced by the OP, #2 is a 4-month study of fewer than 100 people which didn't address any of the specific claims made by the OP, and was funded by the Nutra-Sweet Co, and #3 provides conflicting "summaries" for both sides but no actual data (including 3 references to the same person's work). Note that I am not claiming that aspartame is dangerous, just that you have not sufficiently proved your case that the negative effects listed have been "debunked". But thanks for googling useless links for me and making me waste my time reading them. That was awesome of you.


The OP was referencing claims by the FDA which the FDA disputed way back when in the "study" that you dismissed. Perhaps I should have just dismissed your concerns as baseless as well.

Both the US FDA and the UK FSA have determined that aspartame is safe for consumption in certain amounts. FDA approves an ADI of 50 mg/kg body weight/day and the FSA approves an ADI of 40 mg/kg bw/d.

Source
 
2012-06-18 04:56:15 AM  
Healthy, no doubt. But it makes you kind of ready to accept a little unhealthiness.

I feel sorry for the British. Lots of fat Americans, lots of fat British. If an American is fat it's because they eat too much deep dish pizza, hostess cupcakes, Lucky Charms, nachos....not really worth being fat for, but at least they taste good. If an Englishman is fat it's from blood pudding, trifle, those crazy fry-up breakfasts, maybe a little cheese if he's lucky....ewwww. No wonder they established colonies on every continent. Must have been looking for something to eat with a little flavor and consistency!
 
2012-06-18 04:57:16 AM  

Fair_Poopsmith: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought they already did this, and the healthiest food ever was a type of nut paste. Maybe that was cheapest food ever.

My nut paste is remarkably healthy.


when you say nut paste do you really mean peanut butter?
 
2012-06-18 05:08:31 AM  

charro: The Pho at Pho Central in Vancouver is pretty good

[i511.photobucket.com image 598x751]

Now I'm hungry


That's just down the street from me. I'll try it for lunch tomorrow. Thanks for the reccomendation!

/um, it's not chicken-feet soup, is it? 'Cause that's what it kinda looks like.
 
2012-06-18 05:39:21 AM  

titwrench: 404 page not found: lordargent: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom : Ooh, is that labia stew?

I pity the foo who don't know pho.

Ever been to OB Noodle House?

The Pho place on Clairmont Mesa and Kearny Villa is really good to. I can't remember the name of it though.


Tajimas
 
2012-06-18 05:42:45 AM  

oldtaku: I do believe in science in the long run. it's cumulative. But any individual result is probably full of shiat, because individual scientists tend to stick their fingers in their ears and go 'la la la what confounding factors?' because it makes things complicated, and you'll never publish that way.


i1184.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-18 05:44:05 AM  

oldtaku: Smackledorfer:
Citation please.


Sorry, it was pre-internet, therefore pre history. But I lived through those dark times. There were two competing tribes - eat carbs (avoiding meat) and eat protein (avoiding carbs). I vividly remember my mom feeding us pasta for this reason. Then later on, then Atkins diet, both for my Dad. They both had scientific backing if you read Prevention Magazine, because you can prove almost any single factor premise you care to, other than sucking down pure poison.

C'mon, you can still see this now. Is coffee healthy or not? Is alcohol healthy or not? Obviously, if you take a step back, the answer is 'in moderation, yes' but you wouldn't get that from the studies, which need some absolute pronouncement to get some publicity. I believe in science, in the long run, but individual scientists try to be way more fQ#4ing authoritative than they have any right to be.


So true.

I had the food fad following parent and saw how different foods yo-yoed from being the only thing to eat three times a day to something that should never be eaten ever. Okay, I exaggerated that, but not by a lot. Ignore the scientists and maybe over ten years you can consume a sensible amount of eggs, listen to scientists and you spend five years on an egg free diet and then the next five years eating all those eggs you missed in the first five years and then some.

I can't be bothered looking for citations, but I watched my mother as she followed each and every latest food trend, what was considered to be good food or bad food, and yes they did change until they were completely opposite. Meat was good and potatoes were bad, then potatoes were good and meat was bad. Dammit just eat some of each and you've got it covered.

Seriously it is not hard. Eat different foods, doesn't really matter what sort, as long as it is in moderation.

Even if you do go nuts like those crazy folk that make the papers who will only eat chips and jam sandwiches, you still wont die from it. According to the scientists these people should be on a marble slab because they haven't had five vegetable servings a day etc etc. But they aren't dead, they are alive and well, go figure.
 
2012-06-18 06:12:48 AM  
You know that advice you always get, to drink 8 8-oz glasses of water per day (aka 2 "litres" in TFA)? That's based on no science whatsoever.Stop acting like you're going to keel over and die if you get a little thirsty.
 
2012-06-18 06:18:25 AM  
Some British tv program on twins I saw once,showed a delightful tale of two identical twins who were living rather different lives. One had moved to New Zealand, was fit and active in various sporting activities, was particular about eating a very healthy balanced diet etc. The other twin had remained in England, ran a pub, lived on alcoholic beverages, cigarettes and fried food, and couldn't be bothered with anything resembling exercise. One day he suffers some horrendous heart issues requiring some emergency surgery to save his life. When they learn he has an identical twin brother, the hospital staff insist on contacting him to tell him to see his doctor to get his heart checked.

The New Zealand twin thinks they are fussing over nothing, he is going to be fine, after all he is fit, he eats only healthy food, he doesn't smoke, not like his brother who totally had it coming. Next thing he knows he is rushed off to get the same type of surgery his brother had.

Pretty much what is going to kill you has already been decided by your genes before you were born, and there is really bugger all you can do about it. But it sure makes some people feel better to think that their diet is somehow going to buy them some extra years of life, and that they have some control of things that are really not in their control at all, but that is probably just human nature.
 
2012-06-18 06:32:04 AM  

mbillips: You know that advice you always get, to drink 8 8-oz glasses of water per day (aka 2 "litres" in TFA)? That's based on no science whatsoever.Stop acting like you're going to keel over and die if you get a little thirsty.


Very true. I bet the same is going to be the case when it come to all their ideas of what food we are "supposed" to eat.
 
2012-06-18 06:37:08 AM  
hamfast gamgee:
Ok. All my Splenda just got thrown out...

Aspartame is Equal(tm), Splenda(tm) is Sucralose, a different sugar. Much less nasty. Doesn't turn into formaldehyde when you bake it, for one.
 
2012-06-18 06:48:34 AM  

Philbb: Both the US FDA and the UK FSA have determined that aspartame is safe for consumption in certain amounts. FDA approves an ADI of 50 mg/kg body weight/day and the FSA approves an ADI of 40 mg/kg bw/d.


That's very special of you to quote studies. I still don't care. One piece of aspartame chewing gum results in my mouth going numb. Half a diet drink makes my hands shake and I can't grasp things. I don't really give a rip what your studies claim, nothing else has ever given me side effects like this. So to hell with aspartame. When I shop for gum its almost impossible to find one without it now. Dentyn Fire is about it. Or kids gums. Once upon a time it was safe to gargle with radon. The low doses didn't give most people problems, right? I invite you to drink up and hearty. Guzzle away!
 
2012-06-18 07:02:33 AM  

Nidiot: mbillips: You know that advice you always get, to drink 8 8-oz glasses of water per day (aka 2 "litres" in TFA)? That's based on no science whatsoever.Stop acting like you're going to keel over and die if you get a little thirsty.

Very true. I bet the same is going to be the case when it come to all their ideas of what food we are "supposed" to eat.


Just because one bit of conventional wisdom has no scientific basis doesn't mean that all health science is junk. I know that when I eat more veg and salad, and less fried stuff and booze, I feel better. And there's no end of actual research that backs that up.

Worrying about phantom "toxins," though, is the conspiracy-theory evil twin of health science. Gluten isn't bad for you unless you have a genetic defect. Salmon are one of the lowest-mercury fish. Liver can be bad for you, not because it metabolizes toxins, but because it contains too much Vitamin A.
 
2012-06-18 07:03:40 AM  
Bah Humbug! This is a scam trying to suck people into spending more money on fancy, so-called 'healthy' foods.
Notice the health claims are almost all "...helps to... " ? This is a euphemism for either 'placebo' or 'unproven' or 'no different from anything else you might eat instead'.
Notice this supposedly "healthy" diet calls for 'extra virgin' olive oil? Show us the data proving superiority of 'extra' virgin vs. less expensive regular virginity in Olive's oil...

True health and diet mantra:

Balance- Variety- Moderation

Balance
(food groups) ensures you get sufficient nutrients: vitamins, minerals, protein, fats/oils/ carbs, micro, etc.

Variety means try different members of the group. No one food is 'perfect', regardless of marketing claims. You like grapefruit? Great. Alternate with apples, bananas and other fruit. Same goes for other food groups. It also allows you the occasional cheeseburger or salmon, as whatever antinutrients might be consumed will be diluted to insignificance.

Moderation Don't go overboard on any kind of food, or in total diet. Don't consume more calories than you burn.

BVM is also the easiest, cheapest and most enjoyable diet to achieve/maintain good physical and mental health.

/no, I'm not selling nuthin'. Except common sense. Free.
 
2012-06-18 07:04:18 AM  
Wait, I thought kale chips were supposed to be the ne plus ultra of healthy food.

/can't keep up with the trends
 
2012-06-18 07:11:38 AM  
eh, the healthiest meals are the ones with variety and more raw ingredients... veggies, beans, rice, meat, fruit, whatever as long as the whole plate isn't just one item and it isn't cooked in pure bacon fat or covered in sugar or anything, you should be okay

of course if you're looking to lose weight - the simplest thing is just to burn far more calories than you consume regardless of whether you're eating steamed veggies or a happy meal

people who eat unhealthy and live unhealthy deserve to be unhealthy, that's just the way it is
 
2012-06-18 07:41:42 AM  
On this topic, I really enjoyed reading Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food. Seems like he employs some good sense oward dietary habit and he's a good writer.
 
2012-06-18 07:53:48 AM  

Max Awesome: Only the British could think cold mushed-up fish is the best thing ever.

Just eat a piece of grilled salmon.


What about the Japanese?

You have a lot of aggression towards the British there. You come across like an insecure little bully.
I often wonder why Americans are so aggressive towards the British. Why is that? Especially when the topic is food, "Only the British..." you sound like an old man recounting the time he caught his wife in bed with another man, why such bitterness?
Just so you know this aggression is really a one way thing. Most British people have no dislike towards America. In fact I'd go so far as to say we are pretty much indifferent to you, although you do provide us with some good movies, Diet Pepsi and you invented the XBox, which was nice, thanks for that!
Admittedly we are mildly irritated to how overly loud you always are and that whole "USA, USA, USA..."whoop- whooping , followed by high fives all round , thing you do is completely cringe worthy and we get embarrassed for you, but still, there's no real hate.
To us America is like the spoilt kid that lives down the block, noisy, attention seeking and causes a little too much trouble for comfort. You can't really do anything about is so you just ignore him and get on with it.

/I have been all over the world and all around America, next to Taiwan, at a modestly priced restaurant, America has hands down the worst food out there! I want a meal, not junk food.
// Pan fry that salmon, skin side down, do not turn. When the colour change reaches half way up the side of the fillet dress with red pesto and finish in the oven! Serve with rosemary and peppered potatoes and un-peeled roasted carrots.
/// Use Alaskan salmon for best results
 
2012-06-18 08:02:49 AM  

fusillade762: More image macros from the "Women smiling at food" collection:


She wasn't smiling at my food, she was smiling at my "food" if you know what I mean and I think you do
 
2012-06-18 08:37:20 AM  
Healthy, Yeah, maybe. Whatever.
Delicious? NAO !
 
2012-06-18 08:39:33 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought they already did this, and the healthiest food ever was a type of nut paste. Maybe that was cheapest food ever.


Plumpy'nut? It's very healthy for people with malnutrition or starvation. Most Westerners should avoid it unless they need to gain weight. Very high in calories.

But it's cheap and effective for people that are starving. It keeps and stores well. It's a great aid to help the famine-stricken countries.
 
2012-06-18 08:43:53 AM  

gmoney101: Max Awesome: Only the British could think cold mushed-up fish is the best thing ever.

Just eat a piece of grilled salmon.

What about the Japanese?

You have a lot of aggression towards the British there....

... you invented the XBox, which was nice, thanks for that!



British kids on XBL are why I personally have aggression towards the British. You kids are by far the worst little shiats in the world. I'd rather listen to some 12 year old American white kid scream "n----r n----r n----r" all damn day then to the farking annoying as hell antics of your godforsaken spawn. British kids can't speak English for all that the language was invented by their ancestors, they enjoy singing, they are constantly hyper, their voices are about two octaves higher than kids the same age from other parts of the world and the basically make me want to exterminate the human race, or mute them, either is good.
 
2012-06-18 08:55:18 AM  

Egoy3k: gmoney101: Max Awesome: Only the British could think cold mushed-up fish is the best thing ever.

Just eat a piece of grilled salmon.

What about the Japanese?

You have a lot of aggression towards the British there....

... you invented the XBox, which was nice, thanks for that!


British kids on XBL are why I personally have aggression towards the British. You kids are by far the worst little shiats in the world. I'd rather listen to some 12 year old American white kid scream "n----r n----r n----r" all damn day then to the farking annoying as hell antics of your godforsaken spawn. British kids can't speak English for all that the language was invented by their ancestors, they enjoy singing, they are constantly hyper, their voices are about two octaves higher than kids the same age from other parts of the world and the basically make me want to exterminate the human race, or mute them, either is good.


Heh...
 
2012-06-18 09:08:38 AM  
i46.tinypic.com

Is dissapoint.
 
2012-06-18 09:12:20 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.

Salmon is a fresh water fish.

They spawn in fresh water then migrate to the ocean to spend 5+ years before returning to spawn.


Plus, a lot of salmon people buy is farmed which has even more mercury in it. And freshwater fish have lots of mercury, too, sometimes even more than saltwater fish. Stay away from any fish caught near a runoff or in an urban area (fresh or salt water), and any older species (orange roughy, chilean sea bass, albacore tuna) or top of the food chain species (shark, swordfish, marlin). Sardines, herring, wild alaskan salmon, anchovies and farmed shell fish are your best bet. Mercury poisoning is no joke
 
2012-06-18 09:13:39 AM  

DamnYankees: Why does TFA hate America?


You should check out the comments in that article. The biatching is right up there with American's excuses for not eating healthy dusted with the whine from the special dietary needs peeps as to why the menu didn't take into account those with celiacs and lactose intolerance as if special dietary needs should infiltrate every prescription for healthy living. American's no longer corner the market on biatching about wanting to eat unhealthy or have special concessions made to cater to their issues.
 
2012-06-18 09:13:57 AM  
Their supermeal needs more beans and brown rice.
 
2012-06-18 09:17:20 AM  

gmoney101: Heh...


Damn it. I'd like to point out that my pre-coffee rantings without proofreading are not indicative of my ability to speak English but I can't really argue with that.
 
2012-06-18 09:19:19 AM  
Like someone else said, I RTFA and it all sounds quite expensive.

My cholesterol, glucose, etc were all exactly where they need to be, and I don't eat expensive health food.
I just don't eat crap, like McDonald's, or Hungry Man meals, or Ice Cream every other day, or Cheetos, or Eggs consistently, etc.

I do eat chicken, multi-grain anything (chips, crackers, etc), salads (with special low-sodium poppyseed dressing, it's very cheap), plenty of water, sometimes I have pork, depends on how it's prepared. I save bacon for special occasions, same for hamburger or steak. Try to limit how much dairy I eat, and I rarely drink milk. I love all kinds of veggies, and try to eat as much as I can / can afford.

It's hard with two kids, but I have them and the wife eating the above. My kids aren't allowed sodas. Once or twice a week they can have sugar-free Kool-Aid. They're not allowed gum or candy. They drink plenty of water, and milk in the morning with breakfast. Their portions are controlled, too.

The main reason I'm hard on my kids is because despite all this, I'm still about 50lbs overweight (300lbs at 6'3"), and I was never taught healthy eating habits when I was younger because we were poor and dinner was whatever Mom could damn well scrape up, and she deep-fried everything. It's been a learned thing for me, and it's taken about 8 years now, but I'm on the program. I just need to excercise more. I know if I start the kids off with the idea of "this is how we eat, etc", it will stick with them.
 
2012-06-18 09:20:10 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: All well and good until you die of mercury poisoning from the fish.


Beats uranus poisoning.
 
2012-06-18 09:20:53 AM  
Eat a varied diet. Concentrating on only a few foods is not what we're built for. We're not pure carnivores. We're not pure vegetarians. Eat a variety of stuff, fat included, and try to avoid too much of one thing. Superfoods is a neat idea, but in the end, we're not specialists. We need a varied diet to keep healthy. Meat on occasion. Nuts and fruits. Greens. Breads and grains were a nice way of filling up and getting some other things. Rice on occasion. Fish on occasion. Best way to stay healthy is to eat a variety.

Some foods better for you in the long run? Certainly. Eating nothing but McDonald's isn't really good for you, but a big ass burger with bacon and cheese on occasion isn't going to wreck you. Heck, your body likes the fat and salt. We crave things that our bodies need, the question is not going overboard.
 
2012-06-18 09:26:30 AM  

hubiestubert: Eat a varied diet. Concentrating on only a few foods is not what we're built for. We're not pure carnivores. We're not pure vegetarians. Eat a variety of stuff, fat included, and try to avoid too much of one thing. Superfoods is a neat idea, but in the end, we're not specialists. We need a varied diet to keep healthy. Meat on occasion. Nuts and fruits. Greens. Breads and grains were a nice way of filling up and getting some other things. Rice on occasion. Fish on occasion. Best way to stay healthy is to eat a variety.

Some foods better for you in the long run? Certainly. Eating nothing but McDonald's isn't really good for you, but a big ass burger with bacon and cheese on occasion isn't going to wreck you. Heck, your body likes the fat and salt. We crave things that our bodies need, the question is not going overboard.


Not true. In times past tribes had to eat what was available and usually ate the same thing over and over. The wide availability and selection of foods is a modern invention. It's because of this that I think each person has unique dietary requirements (with possibly huge variations) based on your (possibly prehistoric) family tree and it's why "one diet for all" doesn't work.
 
2012-06-18 09:41:19 AM  
"i prefer a box a little debbies swiss rolls dipped in expired mayo?" --Lori Humongous

i950.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-18 09:48:39 AM  
My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!



/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?
 
2012-06-18 09:56:44 AM  
In college, our Four Major Food Groups:
1. Beer
2. Pizza
3. Twinkies
4. Beer
 
2012-06-18 10:00:07 AM  

Egoy3k: gmoney101: Heh...

Damn it. I'd like to point out that my pre-coffee rantings without proofreading are not indicative of my ability to speak English but I can't really argue with that.


I won't hold it against you ;o)
 
2012-06-18 10:06:45 AM  
I had a saint-nectaire and black cherry jam sandwich for lunch

oh wait this isn't the tastiest meal ever thread?

nevermind

/i sound fat
 
2012-06-18 10:11:21 AM  

Baz the Spaz: In college, our Four Major Food Groups:
1. Beer
2. Pizza
3. Twinkies
4. Beer


I always break it down to the Basic Four

Alcohol Group
Fat Group
Caffiene Group
Sugar Group

Which makes Irish Coffee a superfood.
 
2012-06-18 10:11:32 AM  

untaken_name:
Oh, look, another who thinks Google is a substitute for actual research.
snip
Note that I am not claiming that aspartame is dangerous, just that you have not sufficiently proved your case that the negative effects listed have been "debunked". But thanks for googling useless links for me and making me waste my time reading them. That was awesome of you.


Oh, look, another who thinks that their time is more important than anyone else's, who has to respond as caustically as possible and who feels that just because someone posts a link, they have been forced to read it.

The internet's like the TV, chumly... you can always opt NOT to follow a link or opt not to read it once followed.

/not affiliated with any of the parties to this part of the thread
//just had enough with people who feel their time is more important than others'
 
2012-06-18 10:17:25 AM  

KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...
 
2012-06-18 10:18:23 AM  

KawaiiNot: My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!



/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?


A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?
 
2012-06-18 10:27:17 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.

Salmon is a fresh water fish.


You should let someone know right away that the Pacific Ocean has morphed into fresh water.
 
2012-06-18 10:29:19 AM  
Stupidest. Daily Fail. Article. Evar.
 
2012-06-18 10:34:55 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: [mobile.zcommunications.org image 640x585]

Bread roll = loaded with gluten

As to chicken

[dingo.care2.com image 370x277]

And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

[curezone.com image 400x400]

Other than all that, this advice is busy body suckage. STFU and go have a BBQ.


ding ding ding we have an idiot
 
2012-06-18 10:36:36 AM  

NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]


*image of an English breakfast*

You just ruined my entire morning. I seriously was not hungry at all, and then I saw that...and OMG NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM. The English Breakfast is the absolute best breakfast I have ever had. It looks so wrong, but it tastes so, so so right. I hate you so much right now.

/Lives in USA
//Can't find anyone who sells an English breakfast here
///Guess I'm going to have to make one this weekend
 
2012-06-18 10:39:21 AM  

Mose:

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?


Paleo and keto make you 'sick' because of the high carbohydrate content you normally eat goes away and your body reacts to its lack of presence. If you ease down slowly with your carb intake, you can often avoid the sensation.

Also that anthropologist doesn't offer anything in terms of scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way - just that we don't know everything about how paleolithic people ate and that it was environmentally dependent. Nutritionists appear in the comments to discuss the meatier (haaarrrr) aspects of the diet.

For what it's worth, my family has been faffing around with keto/Atkins style eating over the last few months and has made a noticeable difference. I'm not the person to give you science or be a decent spokesperson, but if you ask me, it's effective for no other reason because you eat better and are satisfied with much smaller portions, thereby immensely lowering your food intake.

Also, if I can have bacon for breakfast every day, why the fark would I want to cry about pancakes?
 
2012-06-18 10:39:56 AM  
ABSOLUTE BULLshiat.

Xylitol damages kidneys, kills good bacteria in your guts and can cause stomach ulcers.
Activated Charcoal Tablets are manufactured with NO health and safety controls... and are mostly made from baked chicken bones.

Snacks between meals is a NO NO and the reason is simple.

If your stomach starts producing acid between meals its because your guts requested more acid on the food you already ate, not because you're hungry.
Drink some farking warm water to move that acid down into the food.

I doubt any biologists were involved in the menu.
 
2012-06-18 10:44:28 AM  

Mose: KawaiiNot: My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!



/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?


Yes, it makes perfect sense to take nutritional and medical advice from a vegetarian anthropologist.
 
2012-06-18 10:54:34 AM  
So it says that walnuts are part of this and then goes on to say that it is 30 grams of them?

30 grams? Really? Considering that a paper clip weighs about 1 gram what would that translate into for walnuts? About two nut halves maybe three?
 
2012-06-18 10:57:39 AM  

KhamanV:
Paleo and keto make you 'sick' because of the high carbohydrate content you normally eat goes away and your body reacts to its lack of presence. If you ease down slowly with your carb intake, you can often avoid the sensation.


So what I'm getting from this is you cut way back on one of the three or four macronutrients and your body first gets sick but adapts eventually. I still don't see the virtue in such an approach. Aside from which, isn't most of the vegetative caloric content in carbohydrate form?

KhamanV:
Also that anthropologist doesn't offer anything in terms of scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way - just that we don't know everything about how paleolithic people ate and that it was environmentally dependent. Nutritionists appear in the comments to discuss the meatier (haaarrrr) aspects of the diet.

For what it's worth, my family has been faffing around with keto/Atkins style eating over the last few months and has made a noticeable difference. I'm not the person to give you science or be a decent spokesperson, but if you ask me, it's effective for no other reason because you eat better and are satisfied with much smaller portions, thereby immensely lowering your food intake.

Also, if I can have bacon for breakfast every day, why the fark would I want to cry about pancakes?


No, this anthropologist nor any other I know of is "scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way" or this way. One, probably because that's not her discipline and two because science isn't about should or shouldn't, it's about controlled variable A produces observable/measurable effect B. She's just saying that many of the core tenets of the paleo diet are at best misattributed to current anthropological knowledge. Therefore, as I said, the diet itself has little basis in fact or logic.
 
2012-06-18 10:59:43 AM  

prjindigo: ABSOLUTE BULLshiat.

Xylitol damages kidneys, kills good bacteria in your guts and can cause stomach ulcers.
Activated Charcoal Tablets are manufactured with NO health and safety controls... and are mostly made from baked chicken bones.

Snacks between meals is a NO NO and the reason is simple.

If your stomach starts producing acid between meals its because your guts requested more acid on the food you already ate, not because you're hungry.
Drink some farking warm water to move that acid down into the food.

I doubt any biologists were involved in the menu.


citationneeded.jpg
 
2012-06-18 11:05:28 AM  

WhippingBoy: Mose: KawaiiNot: My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!
/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?

Yes, it makes perfect sense to take nutritional and medical advice from a vegetarian anthropologist.


If you read and comprehend what she's saying, you'll note her main point is not telling others what to eat or dispensing nutritional or medical advice.

The jist is: paleo diet proponents/innovators suggest we should eat as paleolithic humans did, which consists mainly of this diet X. In actually, that's not true.

FTA: "More worrisome are persistent attempts to match a modern diet to an "average" Paleolithic one, or Loren Cordain's insistence that "we were genetically designed to eat lean meat and fish and other foods that made up the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors."

Here's where science most forcefully speaks back. First, ancient hunter-gatherer groups adapted to local environments that were regionally and seasonally variable - for instance, coastal or inland, game-saturated or grain-abundant (eating grains was not necessarily incompatible with hunter-gatherer living). Second, genes were not in control. People learned what worked in local context for survival and reproduction, and surely, just as in other primates, cultural traditions began to play a role in who ate what."
 
2012-06-18 11:09:34 AM  
Why do people care so much about what other people eat? If someone goes "paleo" and is generally happy, healthy, and not overweight, what's the problem?
 
2012-06-18 11:11:38 AM  
www.polyvore.com
 
2012-06-18 11:21:00 AM  
And next week they will run a article saying this is the deadliest meal ever.
 
2012-06-18 11:21:46 AM  

JamisonJamieJames: prjindigo: ABSOLUTE BULLshiat.

Xylitol damages kidneys, kills good bacteria in your guts and can cause stomach ulcers.
Activated Charcoal Tablets are manufactured with NO health and safety controls... and are mostly made from baked chicken bones.

Snacks between meals is a NO NO and the reason is simple.

If your stomach starts producing acid between meals its because your guts requested more acid on the food you already ate, not because you're hungry.
Drink some farking warm water to move that acid down into the food.

I doubt any biologists were involved in the menu.

citationneeded.jpg


I'll second that. I think you're talking out of your ass sparky.

And if people go paleo and it works what's the big deal? It advises a varied diet consisting of low starch/simple carbs, and high in lean protien and complex carbs from veg and fruit. It also advises you remove sugar entirely.

There, that's paleo.
 
2012-06-18 11:22:24 AM  

KhamanV: Mose:

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?

Paleo and keto make you 'sick' because of the high carbohydrate content you normally eat goes away and your body reacts to its lack of presence. If you ease down slowly with your carb intake, you can often avoid the sensation.

Also that anthropologist doesn't offer anything in terms of scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way - just that we don't know everything about how paleolithic people ate and that it was environmentally dependent. Nutritionists appear in the comments to discuss the meatier (haaarrrr) aspects of the diet.

For what it's worth, my family has been faffing around with keto/Atkins style eating over the last few months and has made a noticeable difference. I'm not the person to give you science or be a decent spokesperson, but if you ask me, it's effective for no other reason because you eat better and are satisfied with much smaller portions, thereby immensely lowering your food intake.

Also, if I can have bacon for breakfast every day, why the fark would I want to cry about pancakes?




Thanks KhamanV for explaining to them. I know I can't change a person's mind who is anti-meat/pro-grain so I don't stress about what others think. So it's going well for your family? Any differences you notice?

I tried to slowly back down my bread & grain snacks over the past few months. I think that's why my "detox" has been pretty mild. It's amazing how much my cravings for sweets&junk food has quickly decreased to zero when I went full on no-grain last week!
 
2012-06-18 11:31:49 AM  
what was that thing we used to eat back in the day? What was it... oh yeah, p*ssy.
 
2012-06-18 11:35:57 AM  

Tyranicle: Well Armed Sheep: I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.

Sweet potatoes are good for you. Unfortunately, they taste like excrement.

\never actually tasted excrement, had a bad experience eating sweet potatoes at the age of four. Will never eat it again.


wow, you should really try again. especially 'asian' sweet potatoes. not sure what makes them 'asian' but the inside is white instead of orange. just bake em and add butter n salt.
also: eat the skin, it's like candy when you bake it.

/csweetpotatoestorybro
 
2012-06-18 11:42:14 AM  

KawaiiNot:

Thanks KhamanV for explaining to them. I know I can't change a person's mind who is anti-meat/pro-grain so I don't stress about what others think. So it's going well for your family? Any differences you notice?

I tried to slowly back down my bread & grain snacks over the past few months. I think that's why my "detox" has been pretty mild. It's amazing how much my cravings for sweets&junk food has quickly decreased to zero when I went full on no-grain last week!


Energy levels are much better and my spouse and I typically sleep better and fall asleep faster, which is a remarkable change for me. My spouse lost about twenty five pounds in three months, though I'm marking by clothing changes. We still get cravings, but I find some good basic peanut butter (all peanut, no sugar) and a hunk of high end dark chocolate takes care of it.

So much water, though. So much. I pee all the damned time.
 
2012-06-18 12:02:56 PM  

oldtaku: Smackledorfer: Cottage cheese has too many carbs to be cottage cheese only according to a no carbs diet plan,

Hmm, no, you can have cottage cheese on Atkins. I lived it;. You're just kind of flailing here, kid. CITATION PLZ is http://www.atkins.com/Program/Phase-2/What-You-Can-Eat-in-this-Phase.a spx

nonsensical reasoning runs in the family I suppose.

Yeeeees, that must be it.


You said the recommended diet was " cottage cheese and pasta diet" then you split that into two diets, in which you carbs friendly diet allegedly required or suggested all pasta all the time and blamed scientists for your mom being a fool. I presumed you weren't just lying when you referred to a protein diet as cottage cheese only. All cottage cheese would be too much carbs for phases one and two of Atkins.

stop using unclear hyperbole.
 
2012-06-18 12:06:30 PM  

Barbecue Bob: Delicious and nutritious


Pho?
I love it, but the really good stuff has enough salt and MSG in it to last you a week.
And if you add Hoisin, you're bound to leave the restaurant with the sodium shakes.
 
2012-06-18 12:08:27 PM  
Pickled herring, rye crisp bread, rye bread, swiss cheese, fresh tomato slices, diced bell pepper, soft-bolied egg, coffee. A fairly common Swedsh style breakfast. Very tasty, and quite healthy.
 
2012-06-18 12:09:53 PM  

machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...


It does if his other diet was sugar spikey as hell.
 
2012-06-18 12:11:00 PM  

birdistasty: Activated charcoal tablets? Seriously?!?!



What? Don't they sound crunchy and delicious to you? :)
 
2012-06-18 12:26:47 PM  

hamfast gamgee: Clemkadidlefark:

[curezone.com image 400x400]

Ok. All my Splenda just got thrown out...


So, Splenda isn't Aspartame. Equal, Nutrasweet (aka the "blue" sweetener) is.

Also, the Aspartame poison claim is bunk.
 
2012-06-18 12:37:26 PM  

Blackwind: Like someone else said, I RTFA and it all sounds quite expensive.

My cholesterol, glucose, etc were all exactly where they need to be, and I don't eat expensive health food.
I just don't eat crap, like McDonald's, or Hungry Man meals, or Ice Cream every other day, or Cheetos, or Eggs consistently, etc.

I do eat chicken, multi-grain anything (chips, crackers, etc), salads (with special low-sodium poppyseed dressing, it's very cheap), plenty of water, sometimes I have pork, depends on how it's prepared. I save bacon for special occasions, same for hamburger or steak. Try to limit how much dairy I eat, and I rarely drink milk. I love all kinds of veggies, and try to eat as much as I can / can afford.

It's hard with two kids, but I have them and the wife eating the above. My kids aren't allowed sodas. Once or twice a week they can have sugar-free Kool-Aid. They're not allowed gum or candy. They drink plenty of water, and milk in the morning with breakfast. Their portions are controlled, too.

The main reason I'm hard on my kids is because despite all this, I'm still about 50lbs overweight (300lbs at 6'3"), and I was never taught healthy eating habits when I was younger because we were poor and dinner was whatever Mom could damn well scrape up, and she deep-fried everything. It's been a learned thing for me, and it's taken about 8 years now, but I'm on the program. I just need to excercise more. I know if I start the kids off with the idea of "this is how we eat, etc", it will stick with them.


glad that is all working for you, but you lump EGGS in with McD's & Hungry Man frozen dinner?? that is a shame, as they are one of the more perfect foods out there.

but since we are all sharing csb's - here's mine:

I've lost 30 ish pounds & have increased my performance on my preferred exercise method (mt. bike) eating the following:

start the day with a pint of raw milk with - bee pollen / cod liver / vit.D / vitC / 'mens health' (i'd have to ask the wife whats in it)

black tea with heavy cream & honey

whole milk yogurt w/ honey and cinnamon (on weekends - replace this with bacon & eggs.)

meat for lunch - preferably kinda fatty (dark meat chicken or pork) or lean meat (chicken breast) with lots of butter & a veggie & cheese.

sometimes second lunch of near the same, but smaller quantity & an apple.

dinner: see "lunch"

intermittent cups of white tea throughout the day (evening cup w/ just a touch of honey, cause you may have guessed, i have a bit of a sweet tooth.)

ta daa.

/awaits dietary flame fest.
 
2012-06-18 12:37:59 PM  

Huggermugger: Wait, I thought kale chips were supposed to be the ne plus ultra of healthy food.

/can't keep up with the trends


Kale chips are evil incarnate.

/like kale. Like chips. But never the twain should meet.
 
2012-06-18 12:40:25 PM  

machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...


if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense
 
2012-06-18 12:52:34 PM  
i172.photobucket.com

What a healthy meal may look like.
 
2012-06-18 01:04:25 PM  

inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense


The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.
 
2012-06-18 01:05:01 PM  

hamfast gamgee: Gordinho: @Newportbarguy re: Full English Brekkie, now you're talking...

Seriously? I gag every time I see someone eating all that. Puts me right off my Coco Puffs.

Fark - not one bacon reference?

[www.mopo.ca image 480x360]


No bacon in the article? Pure bunk.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:33 PM  

madgecko13: Philbb: Both the US FDA and the UK FSA have determined that aspartame is safe for consumption in certain amounts. FDA approves an ADI of 50 mg/kg body weight/day and the FSA approves an ADI of 40 mg/kg bw/d.

That's very special of you to quote studies. I still don't care. One piece of aspartame chewing gum results in my mouth going numb. Half a diet drink makes my hands shake and I can't grasp things. I don't really give a rip what your studies claim, nothing else has ever given me side effects like this. So to hell with aspartame. When I shop for gum its almost impossible to find one without it now. Dentyn Fire is about it. Or kids gums. Once upon a time it was safe to gargle with radon. The low doses didn't give most people problems, right? I invite you to drink up and hearty. Guzzle away!


I find this very difficult to believe.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:40 PM  

Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish
, not nutrient density.


you got that part right at least.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:44 PM  

Smackledorfer: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

It does if his other diet was sugar spikey as hell.


Fair enough, but that is why he has lost the weight then.

Low carb diets are bad over an extended period of time. Kidney failure is a biatch.
 
2012-06-18 01:55:02 PM  

inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.


Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?
 
2012-06-18 02:08:31 PM  

Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.

Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?


yep that's the one.

your sanctimonious tone & butthurtyness is just a cherry on top.
 
2012-06-18 02:23:07 PM  

inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.

Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?

yep that's the one.

your sanctimonious tone & butthurtyness is just a cherry on top.


Oh please, do inform me how nutrient density affects energy levels then. Enlighten me.
 
2012-06-18 02:43:02 PM  

Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.

Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?

yep that's the one.

your sanctimonious tone & butthurtyness is just a cherry on top.

Oh please, do inform me how nutrient density affects energy levels then. Enlighten me.


so you really can't understand how a standard white wonder bread has less nutritional value than say... almost anything ?

or even look at all the sports supplements. cramming all that (vitamins / electrolytes - cause it's what plants crave - proteins / carbs etc.) into a 'shot' of goo is more dense in nutrients than say... celery.

now i'm not advocating goo shots, just demonstrating the idea that some food has more value (nutrient wise) per gram / ounce / pound / ton than other food.

or another fine example: skim milk vs. whole raw milk. one is milk flavored water, with almost every nutrient boiled or blasted out of it, the other is a food source packed with ... wait for it... nutrients.

i don't expect you to acknowledge your newly discovered enlightenment, so i'll just look forward to more butthurt.
 
2012-06-18 03:05:56 PM  
NewportBarGuy the black pudding is bloody offal.
Clemkadidlefark thanks for the asperatime warning.
 
2012-06-18 03:10:39 PM  

inner ted: so you really can't understand how a standard white wonder bread has less nutritional value than say... almost anything ?


That has what to do with energy density of an individual piece of food and your resulting energy levels upon consumption?

inner ted: or even look at all the sports supplements.


So now you are confusing electrolyte replenishment with the fuel from from food. Good work.

And hey, is gatoraid full of calorie dense fat, or does it put sugar in so that it gives you more energy? Oh, that's right, its sugar.

Now how about a gel?

Link

Would you look at that?! its full of carbs. Simple sugars, in fact.

But if density is so important, shouldn't runners be pounding trail mix? Which is... wait for it... also loaded with carbs!

Amazing. You get energy from carbs, and if you need more energy, you add more carbs.

Now lets look at the atkins diet. Guess what it says about phase two (after you've drained your body of excess carbs and are focusing on steady weight loss)? If guessed: the more active you are, the more carbohydrates you should be eating, then you were correct.

inner ted: or another fine example: skim milk vs. whole raw milk.


I'm glad you brought milk up. Its 30% carbs, all of which are simple sugars.


What the hell do you consider a low-carb, calorie dense diet? Because here you are touting the energy value of simple sugar liquids.


What a pile of fail. Nutrient density in your food has nothing to do with energy levels beyond insulin and blood sugar. Anything beyond preventing a excessive insulin response to a blood sugar spike and the density of a meal actually lowers the amount of energy you get from it. None of which has anything to do with your claim that 'low carb diets provide more energy by being nutrient dense'. You are conflating so many variables its ridiculous.
 
2012-06-18 03:13:39 PM  

Barbecue Bob: [emilyk.typepad.com image 450x337]
Delicious and nutritious.

Not perfect. Nothing is. something something different chemistries.


Pho real!
 
2012-06-18 03:30:19 PM  

Smackledorfer: inner ted: so you really can't understand how a standard white wonder bread has less nutritional value than say... almost anything ?

That has what to do with energy density of an individual piece of food and your resulting energy levels upon consumption?

inner ted: or even look at all the sports supplements.

So now you are confusing electrolyte replenishment with the fuel from from food. Good work.

And hey, is gatoraid full of calorie dense fat, or does it put sugar in so that it gives you more energy? Oh, that's right, its sugar.

Now how about a gel?

Link

Would you look at that?! its full of carbs. Simple sugars, in fact.

But if density is so important, shouldn't runners be pounding trail mix? Which is... wait for it... also loaded with carbs!

Amazing. You get energy from carbs, and if you need more energy, you add more carbs.

Now lets look at the atkins diet. Guess what it says about phase two (after you've drained your body of excess carbs and are focusing on steady weight loss)? If guessed: the more active you are, the more carbohydrates you should be eating, then you were correct.

inner ted: or another fine example: skim milk vs. whole raw milk.

I'm glad you brought milk up. Its 30% carbs, all of which are simple sugars.


What the hell do you consider a low-carb, calorie dense diet? Because here you are touting the energy value of simple sugar liquids.


What a pile of fail. Nutrient density in your food has nothing to do with energy levels beyond insulin and blood sugar. Anything beyond preventing a excessive insulin response to a blood sugar spike and the density of a meal actually lowers the amount of energy you get from it. None of which has anything to do with your claim that 'low carb diets provide more energy by being nutrient dense'. You are conflating so many variables its ridiculous.


try to stay on point.

i was illustrating the idea that some food has more nutrients than others.

what that food is made of is another point all together.

i never advocated that anyone should consume sugary 'energy drinks' - just that they pack more nutrients (sugar and otherwise) per gram / oz..

you obviously troll these topics waiting, poised over the keyboard. hoping to dazzle us all. but you can only hope to do that by responding to things that were never written.

/undazzled - still delighted by your butt hurt though.
 
2012-06-18 03:39:46 PM  

inner ted: try to stay on point.


If you hadn't left the point, I wouldn't have followed you.

inner ted: what that food is made of is another point all together.


Great point. Let's isolate nutrient density as a variable.

Scenario 1: Guy A eats 1 pound of butter. Guy B takes one pound of butter, whips it, and then eats the same pound of butter in a less nutritionally dense form. Does guy A get more energy than guy B? No.
Conclusions: density, as an isolated variable, does not affect energy levels.

Scenario 2: Guy A eats an apple. Guy B dries the apple out and eats it. Guy B is thus eating the same apple in a more nutritionally dense form. Is guy B getting more energy? No. And, in fact, guy B will be less satiated than guy A, despite having eaten the same number of calories in a more nutritionally dense format.

So, without changing what foods are made of, why does the nutrient density of a low-carb diet result in more energy than a high carb diet? Answer: it doesn't, you merely confused yourself by adding in variables.
 
2012-06-18 03:40:45 PM  

inner ted: you obviously troll these topics waiting


Yes, because holding you responsible for the stupid claims you make is trolling.
 
Skr
2012-06-18 03:52:22 PM  
I was hoping it would be pepperoni pizza.

/leaves disappointed
 
2012-06-18 04:02:33 PM  

Smackledorfer: inner ted: try to stay on point.

If you hadn't left the point, I wouldn't have followed you.

inner ted: what that food is made of is another point all together.

Great point. Let's isolate nutrient density as a variable.

Scenario 1: Guy A eats 1 pound of butter. Guy B takes one pound of butter, whips it, and then eats the same pound of butter in a less nutritionally dense form. Does guy A get more energy than guy B? No.
Conclusions: density, as an isolated variable, does not affect energy levels.

Scenario 2: Guy A eats an apple. Guy B dries the apple out and eats it. Guy B is thus eating the same apple in a more nutritionally dense form. Is guy B getting more energy? No. And, in fact, guy B will be less satiated than guy A, despite having eaten the same number of calories in a more nutritionally dense format.

So, without changing what foods are made of, why does the nutrient density of a low-carb diet result in more energy than a high carb diet? Answer: it doesn't, you merely confused yourself by adding in variables.


ya that part is kind of important here. but glad you can dismiss what completely destroys your point.

anyhow... fun scenario you missed:

scenario 3: guy A drinks a pint of whole raw milk. buy B drinks a pint of skim milk - pasteurized to oblivion. is guy A getting more from his pint? absolutely.

hooray! we can both do it.
 
2012-06-18 05:30:35 PM  
mmmm ... garbage plate... tastes best when shiat-drunk. I had atleast 2 of these a week back when I was going to school in Rochester, NY. Oh how I misses me my garbage plates :s.


cretinbob: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Salmon is a fresh water fish.

Salmon is a saltwater fish. Of course whether it is saline or estuarine is irrelevant. All fish are contaminated with mercury and the higher up the food chain the more concentrated it is.


//only freshwater when it spawns.

GAT_00: cretinbob: NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]

That plate looks like garbage British

But that's really the same thing.

Yeah, I was referring to something like this:

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

known as a garbage plate, and then realized what I was looking at afterwards.

 
2012-06-18 07:44:45 PM  
It's amusing how the same media that makes most of its money selling us fat-, sugar- and salt-laden junk food throws in a "eat this, not that" feature every now and then.

As if people who hoover up Hot Pockets and supersized quadruple bacon cheeseburgers and ice cream with 6 different kinds of candy mixed in would ever consume anything called "salmon terrine." Maybe if it was battered and deep fried and used as a topping on a pizza.

They must do it to amuse themselves. Or to generate page views from angry, hungry fatties.
 
2012-06-18 09:41:35 PM  

inner ted: Blackwind: Like someone else said, I RTFA and it all sounds quite expensive.

My cholesterol, glucose, etc were all exactly where they need to be, and I don't eat expensive health food.
I just don't eat crap, like McDonald's, or Hungry Man meals, or Ice Cream every other day, or Cheetos, or Eggs consistently, etc.

I do eat chicken, multi-grain anything (chips, crackers, etc), salads (with special low-sodium poppyseed dressing, it's very cheap), plenty of water, sometimes I have pork, depends on how it's prepared. I save bacon for special occasions, same for hamburger or steak. Try to limit how much dairy I eat, and I rarely drink milk. I love all kinds of veggies, and try to eat as much as I can / can afford.

It's hard with two kids, but I have them and the wife eating the above. My kids aren't allowed sodas. Once or twice a week they can have sugar-free Kool-Aid. They're not allowed gum or candy. They drink plenty of water, and milk in the morning with breakfast. Their portions are controlled, too.

The main reason I'm hard on my kids is because despite all this, I'm still about 50lbs overweight (300lbs at 6'3"), and I was never taught healthy eating habits when I was younger because we were poor and dinner was whatever Mom could damn well scrape up, and she deep-fried everything. It's been a learned thing for me, and it's taken about 8 years now, but I'm on the program. I just need to excercise more. I know if I start the kids off with the idea of "this is how we eat, etc", it will stick with them.

glad that is all working for you, but you lump EGGS in with McD's & Hungry Man frozen dinner?? that is a shame, as they are one of the more perfect foods out there.

but since we are all sharing csb's - here's mine:

I've lost 30 ish pounds & have increased my performance on my preferred exercise method (mt. bike) eating the following:

start the day with a pint of raw milk with - bee pollen / cod liver / vit.D / vitC / 'mens health' (i'd have to ask the wife what ...


That all sounds really good, actually.

The best vitamins I ever found were these ones at Wally World called "Alive! for Men". They had -everything- in them. Made me feel great.
Sadly, they're about $10 a bottle and that's $10 more than I can afford often (eating decently / properly is expensive), so I haven't had any for about 2 months now. :(
But I recommend 'em heartily!
 
2012-06-18 11:10:37 PM  

Blackwind: inner ted: Blackwind: Like someone else said, I RTFA and it all sounds quite expensive.

My cholesterol, glucose, etc were all exactly where they need to be, and I don't eat expensive health food.
I just don't eat crap, like McDonald's, or Hungry Man meals, or Ice Cream every other day, or Cheetos, or Eggs consistently, etc.

I do eat chicken, multi-grain anything (chips, crackers, etc), salads (with special low-sodium poppyseed dressing, it's very cheap), plenty of water, sometimes I have pork, depends on how it's prepared. I save bacon for special occasions, same for hamburger or steak. Try to limit how much dairy I eat, and I rarely drink milk. I love all kinds of veggies, and try to eat as much as I can / can afford.

It's hard with two kids, but I have them and the wife eating the above. My kids aren't allowed sodas. Once or twice a week they can have sugar-free Kool-Aid. They're not allowed gum or candy. They drink plenty of water, and milk in the morning with breakfast. Their portions are controlled, too.

The main reason I'm hard on my kids is because despite all this, I'm still about 50lbs overweight (300lbs at 6'3"), and I was never taught healthy eating habits when I was younger because we were poor and dinner was whatever Mom could damn well scrape up, and she deep-fried everything. It's been a learned thing for me, and it's taken about 8 years now, but I'm on the program. I just need to excercise more. I know if I start the kids off with the idea of "this is how we eat, etc", it will stick with them.

glad that is all working for you, but you lump EGGS in with McD's & Hungry Man frozen dinner?? that is a shame, as they are one of the more perfect foods out there.

but since we are all sharing csb's - here's mine:

I've lost 30 ish pounds & have increased my performance on my preferred exercise method (mt. bike) eating the following:

start the day with a pint of raw milk with - bee pollen / cod liver / vit.D / vitC / 'mens health' (i'd have to ask th ...


maybe you just need more Marmite
 
2012-06-18 11:21:49 PM  

inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: try to stay on point.

If you hadn't left the point, I wouldn't have followed you.

inner ted: what that food is made of is another point all together.

Great point. Let's isolate nutrient density as a variable.

Scenario 1: Guy A eats 1 pound of butter. Guy B takes one pound of butter, whips it, and then eats the same pound of butter in a less nutritionally dense form. Does guy A get more energy than guy B? No.
Conclusions: density, as an isolated variable, does not affect energy levels.

Scenario 2: Guy A eats an apple. Guy B dries the apple out and eats it. Guy B is thus eating the same apple in a more nutritionally dense form. Is guy B getting more energy? No. And, in fact, guy B will be less satiated than guy A, despite having eaten the same number of calories in a more nutritionally dense format.

So, without changing what foods are made of, why does the nutrient density of a low-carb diet result in more energy than a high carb diet? Answer: it doesn't, you merely confused yourself by adding in variables.

ya that part is kind of important here. but glad you can dismiss what completely destroys your point.

anyhow... fun scenario you missed:

scenario 3: guy A drinks a pint of whole raw milk. buy B drinks a pint of skim milk - pasteurized to oblivion. is guy A getting more from his pint? absolutely.

hooray! we can both do it.


I thought you didn't want to change what foods are made from?

Now here you go again, comparing unlike items to conflate nutrient density with other food items again. Make up your mind.
 
2012-06-19 11:00:37 AM  

hamfast gamgee: Clemkadidlefark:
And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

Other than all that, this advice is busy body suckage. STFU and go have a BBQ.

[curezone.com image 400x400]

Ok. All my Splenda just got thrown out...


Splenda doesn't contain aspartame. It has sucralose.
And it is the closest sugar-tasting sweetner on the market. (Other than sugar)
 
2012-06-19 11:05:28 AM  
meanwhile:
ithinkyoureswell.com

/does anyone know what country this is in? Looking at the window poster in the upper left, it's not in English.
 
2012-06-19 01:14:24 PM  

Genju: [t0.gstatic.com image 201x251]

What a Leatherhead Food Researcher looks might look like.



FTFY. Please get your memes straight.
 
2012-06-19 04:29:46 PM  

hamfast gamgee: Clemkadidlefark:
And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

Other than all that, this advice is busy body suckage. STFU and go have a BBQ.

[curezone.com image 400x400]

Ok. All my Splenda just got thrown out...


Jeeze. If you are worrying about that, then you need to look up the effects of caffine.
 
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