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2012-06-18 09:26:30 AM

hubiestubert: Eat a varied diet. Concentrating on only a few foods is not what we're built for. We're not pure carnivores. We're not pure vegetarians. Eat a variety of stuff, fat included, and try to avoid too much of one thing. Superfoods is a neat idea, but in the end, we're not specialists. We need a varied diet to keep healthy. Meat on occasion. Nuts and fruits. Greens. Breads and grains were a nice way of filling up and getting some other things. Rice on occasion. Fish on occasion. Best way to stay healthy is to eat a variety.

Some foods better for you in the long run? Certainly. Eating nothing but McDonald's isn't really good for you, but a big ass burger with bacon and cheese on occasion isn't going to wreck you. Heck, your body likes the fat and salt. We crave things that our bodies need, the question is not going overboard.


Not true. In times past tribes had to eat what was available and usually ate the same thing over and over. The wide availability and selection of foods is a modern invention. It's because of this that I think each person has unique dietary requirements (with possibly huge variations) based on your (possibly prehistoric) family tree and it's why "one diet for all" doesn't work.
 
2012-06-18 09:41:19 AM
"i prefer a box a little debbies swiss rolls dipped in expired mayo?" --Lori Humongous

i950.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-18 09:48:39 AM
My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!



/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?
 
2012-06-18 09:56:44 AM
In college, our Four Major Food Groups:
1. Beer
2. Pizza
3. Twinkies
4. Beer
 
2012-06-18 10:00:07 AM

Egoy3k: gmoney101: Heh...

Damn it. I'd like to point out that my pre-coffee rantings without proofreading are not indicative of my ability to speak English but I can't really argue with that.


I won't hold it against you ;o)
 
2012-06-18 10:06:45 AM
I had a saint-nectaire and black cherry jam sandwich for lunch

oh wait this isn't the tastiest meal ever thread?

nevermind

/i sound fat
 
2012-06-18 10:11:21 AM

Baz the Spaz: In college, our Four Major Food Groups:
1. Beer
2. Pizza
3. Twinkies
4. Beer


I always break it down to the Basic Four

Alcohol Group
Fat Group
Caffiene Group
Sugar Group

Which makes Irish Coffee a superfood.
 
2012-06-18 10:11:32 AM

untaken_name:
Oh, look, another who thinks Google is a substitute for actual research.
snip
Note that I am not claiming that aspartame is dangerous, just that you have not sufficiently proved your case that the negative effects listed have been "debunked". But thanks for googling useless links for me and making me waste my time reading them. That was awesome of you.


Oh, look, another who thinks that their time is more important than anyone else's, who has to respond as caustically as possible and who feels that just because someone posts a link, they have been forced to read it.

The internet's like the TV, chumly... you can always opt NOT to follow a link or opt not to read it once followed.

/not affiliated with any of the parties to this part of the thread
//just had enough with people who feel their time is more important than others'
 
2012-06-18 10:17:25 AM

KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...
 
2012-06-18 10:18:23 AM

KawaiiNot: My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!



/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?


A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?
 
2012-06-18 10:27:17 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: J. Frank Parnell: Except that salmon has mercury in it, and who knows what else.

Salmon is a fresh water fish.


You should let someone know right away that the Pacific Ocean has morphed into fresh water.
 
2012-06-18 10:29:19 AM
Stupidest. Daily Fail. Article. Evar.
 
2012-06-18 10:34:55 AM

Clemkadidlefark: [mobile.zcommunications.org image 640x585]

Bread roll = loaded with gluten

As to chicken

[dingo.care2.com image 370x277]

And of course, there's the sugar free horror of ...

[curezone.com image 400x400]

Other than all that, this advice is busy body suckage. STFU and go have a BBQ.


ding ding ding we have an idiot
 
2012-06-18 10:36:36 AM

NewportBarGuy: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x300]


*image of an English breakfast*

You just ruined my entire morning. I seriously was not hungry at all, and then I saw that...and OMG NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM. The English Breakfast is the absolute best breakfast I have ever had. It looks so wrong, but it tastes so, so so right. I hate you so much right now.

/Lives in USA
//Can't find anyone who sells an English breakfast here
///Guess I'm going to have to make one this weekend
 
2012-06-18 10:39:21 AM

Mose:

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?


Paleo and keto make you 'sick' because of the high carbohydrate content you normally eat goes away and your body reacts to its lack of presence. If you ease down slowly with your carb intake, you can often avoid the sensation.

Also that anthropologist doesn't offer anything in terms of scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way - just that we don't know everything about how paleolithic people ate and that it was environmentally dependent. Nutritionists appear in the comments to discuss the meatier (haaarrrr) aspects of the diet.

For what it's worth, my family has been faffing around with keto/Atkins style eating over the last few months and has made a noticeable difference. I'm not the person to give you science or be a decent spokesperson, but if you ask me, it's effective for no other reason because you eat better and are satisfied with much smaller portions, thereby immensely lowering your food intake.

Also, if I can have bacon for breakfast every day, why the fark would I want to cry about pancakes?
 
2012-06-18 10:39:56 AM
ABSOLUTE BULLshiat.

Xylitol damages kidneys, kills good bacteria in your guts and can cause stomach ulcers.
Activated Charcoal Tablets are manufactured with NO health and safety controls... and are mostly made from baked chicken bones.

Snacks between meals is a NO NO and the reason is simple.

If your stomach starts producing acid between meals its because your guts requested more acid on the food you already ate, not because you're hungry.
Drink some farking warm water to move that acid down into the food.

I doubt any biologists were involved in the menu.
 
2012-06-18 10:44:28 AM

Mose: KawaiiNot: My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!



/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?


Yes, it makes perfect sense to take nutritional and medical advice from a vegetarian anthropologist.
 
2012-06-18 10:54:34 AM
So it says that walnuts are part of this and then goes on to say that it is 30 grams of them?

30 grams? Really? Considering that a paper clip weighs about 1 gram what would that translate into for walnuts? About two nut halves maybe three?
 
2012-06-18 10:57:39 AM

KhamanV:
Paleo and keto make you 'sick' because of the high carbohydrate content you normally eat goes away and your body reacts to its lack of presence. If you ease down slowly with your carb intake, you can often avoid the sensation.


So what I'm getting from this is you cut way back on one of the three or four macronutrients and your body first gets sick but adapts eventually. I still don't see the virtue in such an approach. Aside from which, isn't most of the vegetative caloric content in carbohydrate form?

KhamanV:
Also that anthropologist doesn't offer anything in terms of scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way - just that we don't know everything about how paleolithic people ate and that it was environmentally dependent. Nutritionists appear in the comments to discuss the meatier (haaarrrr) aspects of the diet.

For what it's worth, my family has been faffing around with keto/Atkins style eating over the last few months and has made a noticeable difference. I'm not the person to give you science or be a decent spokesperson, but if you ask me, it's effective for no other reason because you eat better and are satisfied with much smaller portions, thereby immensely lowering your food intake.

Also, if I can have bacon for breakfast every day, why the fark would I want to cry about pancakes?


No, this anthropologist nor any other I know of is "scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way" or this way. One, probably because that's not her discipline and two because science isn't about should or shouldn't, it's about controlled variable A produces observable/measurable effect B. She's just saying that many of the core tenets of the paleo diet are at best misattributed to current anthropological knowledge. Therefore, as I said, the diet itself has little basis in fact or logic.
 
2012-06-18 10:59:43 AM

prjindigo: ABSOLUTE BULLshiat.

Xylitol damages kidneys, kills good bacteria in your guts and can cause stomach ulcers.
Activated Charcoal Tablets are manufactured with NO health and safety controls... and are mostly made from baked chicken bones.

Snacks between meals is a NO NO and the reason is simple.

If your stomach starts producing acid between meals its because your guts requested more acid on the food you already ate, not because you're hungry.
Drink some farking warm water to move that acid down into the food.

I doubt any biologists were involved in the menu.


citationneeded.jpg
 
2012-06-18 11:05:28 AM

WhippingBoy: Mose: KawaiiNot: My breakfast today:
Omelette made w/alittle cheese, prosciutto, cream, & organic eggs.
2 little maple pork sausages
Some strawberries
Coffee w/cream & honey

The horror!
/ switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.

// What are the odds on the Blancmange winning Wimbledon?

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?

Yes, it makes perfect sense to take nutritional and medical advice from a vegetarian anthropologist.


If you read and comprehend what she's saying, you'll note her main point is not telling others what to eat or dispensing nutritional or medical advice.

The jist is: paleo diet proponents/innovators suggest we should eat as paleolithic humans did, which consists mainly of this diet X. In actually, that's not true.

FTA: "More worrisome are persistent attempts to match a modern diet to an "average" Paleolithic one, or Loren Cordain's insistence that "we were genetically designed to eat lean meat and fish and other foods that made up the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors."

Here's where science most forcefully speaks back. First, ancient hunter-gatherer groups adapted to local environments that were regionally and seasonally variable - for instance, coastal or inland, game-saturated or grain-abundant (eating grains was not necessarily incompatible with hunter-gatherer living). Second, genes were not in control. People learned what worked in local context for survival and reproduction, and surely, just as in other primates, cultural traditions began to play a role in who ate what."
 
2012-06-18 11:09:34 AM
Why do people care so much about what other people eat? If someone goes "paleo" and is generally happy, healthy, and not overweight, what's the problem?
 
2012-06-18 11:11:38 AM
www.polyvore.com
 
2012-06-18 11:21:00 AM
And next week they will run a article saying this is the deadliest meal ever.
 
2012-06-18 11:21:46 AM

JamisonJamieJames: prjindigo: ABSOLUTE BULLshiat.

Xylitol damages kidneys, kills good bacteria in your guts and can cause stomach ulcers.
Activated Charcoal Tablets are manufactured with NO health and safety controls... and are mostly made from baked chicken bones.

Snacks between meals is a NO NO and the reason is simple.

If your stomach starts producing acid between meals its because your guts requested more acid on the food you already ate, not because you're hungry.
Drink some farking warm water to move that acid down into the food.

I doubt any biologists were involved in the menu.

citationneeded.jpg


I'll second that. I think you're talking out of your ass sparky.

And if people go paleo and it works what's the big deal? It advises a varied diet consisting of low starch/simple carbs, and high in lean protien and complex carbs from veg and fruit. It also advises you remove sugar entirely.

There, that's paleo.
 
2012-06-18 11:22:24 AM

KhamanV: Mose:

A diet that makes you sick?

Why would you want to go with the "Paleo diet" when anthropologists, whom you'd think would be the experts on that sort of thing, dispute it has much basis in fac or sound logict?

Paleo and keto make you 'sick' because of the high carbohydrate content you normally eat goes away and your body reacts to its lack of presence. If you ease down slowly with your carb intake, you can often avoid the sensation.

Also that anthropologist doesn't offer anything in terms of scientifically saying you shouldn't eat that way - just that we don't know everything about how paleolithic people ate and that it was environmentally dependent. Nutritionists appear in the comments to discuss the meatier (haaarrrr) aspects of the diet.

For what it's worth, my family has been faffing around with keto/Atkins style eating over the last few months and has made a noticeable difference. I'm not the person to give you science or be a decent spokesperson, but if you ask me, it's effective for no other reason because you eat better and are satisfied with much smaller portions, thereby immensely lowering your food intake.

Also, if I can have bacon for breakfast every day, why the fark would I want to cry about pancakes?




Thanks KhamanV for explaining to them. I know I can't change a person's mind who is anti-meat/pro-grain so I don't stress about what others think. So it's going well for your family? Any differences you notice?

I tried to slowly back down my bread & grain snacks over the past few months. I think that's why my "detox" has been pretty mild. It's amazing how much my cravings for sweets&junk food has quickly decreased to zero when I went full on no-grain last week!
 
2012-06-18 11:31:49 AM
what was that thing we used to eat back in the day? What was it... oh yeah, p*ssy.
 
2012-06-18 11:35:57 AM

Tyranicle: Well Armed Sheep: I hear Sweet Potatoes are good for you.

Sweet potatoes are good for you. Unfortunately, they taste like excrement.

\never actually tasted excrement, had a bad experience eating sweet potatoes at the age of four. Will never eat it again.


wow, you should really try again. especially 'asian' sweet potatoes. not sure what makes them 'asian' but the inside is white instead of orange. just bake em and add butter n salt.
also: eat the skin, it's like candy when you bake it.

/csweetpotatoestorybro
 
2012-06-18 11:42:14 AM

KawaiiNot:

Thanks KhamanV for explaining to them. I know I can't change a person's mind who is anti-meat/pro-grain so I don't stress about what others think. So it's going well for your family? Any differences you notice?

I tried to slowly back down my bread & grain snacks over the past few months. I think that's why my "detox" has been pretty mild. It's amazing how much my cravings for sweets&junk food has quickly decreased to zero when I went full on no-grain last week!


Energy levels are much better and my spouse and I typically sleep better and fall asleep faster, which is a remarkable change for me. My spouse lost about twenty five pounds in three months, though I'm marking by clothing changes. We still get cravings, but I find some good basic peanut butter (all peanut, no sugar) and a hunk of high end dark chocolate takes care of it.

So much water, though. So much. I pee all the damned time.
 
2012-06-18 12:02:56 PM

oldtaku: Smackledorfer: Cottage cheese has too many carbs to be cottage cheese only according to a no carbs diet plan,

Hmm, no, you can have cottage cheese on Atkins. I lived it;. You're just kind of flailing here, kid. CITATION PLZ is http://www.atkins.com/Program/Phase-2/What-You-Can-Eat-in-this-Phase.a spx

nonsensical reasoning runs in the family I suppose.

Yeeeees, that must be it.


You said the recommended diet was " cottage cheese and pasta diet" then you split that into two diets, in which you carbs friendly diet allegedly required or suggested all pasta all the time and blamed scientists for your mom being a fool. I presumed you weren't just lying when you referred to a protein diet as cottage cheese only. All cottage cheese would be too much carbs for phases one and two of Atkins.

stop using unclear hyperbole.
 
2012-06-18 12:06:30 PM

Barbecue Bob: Delicious and nutritious


Pho?
I love it, but the really good stuff has enough salt and MSG in it to last you a week.
And if you add Hoisin, you're bound to leave the restaurant with the sodium shakes.
 
2012-06-18 12:08:27 PM
Pickled herring, rye crisp bread, rye bread, swiss cheese, fresh tomato slices, diced bell pepper, soft-bolied egg, coffee. A fairly common Swedsh style breakfast. Very tasty, and quite healthy.
 
2012-06-18 12:09:53 PM

machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...


It does if his other diet was sugar spikey as hell.
 
2012-06-18 12:11:00 PM

birdistasty: Activated charcoal tablets? Seriously?!?!



What? Don't they sound crunchy and delicious to you? :)
 
2012-06-18 12:26:47 PM

hamfast gamgee: Clemkadidlefark:

[curezone.com image 400x400]

Ok. All my Splenda just got thrown out...


So, Splenda isn't Aspartame. Equal, Nutrasweet (aka the "blue" sweetener) is.

Also, the Aspartame poison claim is bunk.
 
2012-06-18 12:37:26 PM

Blackwind: Like someone else said, I RTFA and it all sounds quite expensive.

My cholesterol, glucose, etc were all exactly where they need to be, and I don't eat expensive health food.
I just don't eat crap, like McDonald's, or Hungry Man meals, or Ice Cream every other day, or Cheetos, or Eggs consistently, etc.

I do eat chicken, multi-grain anything (chips, crackers, etc), salads (with special low-sodium poppyseed dressing, it's very cheap), plenty of water, sometimes I have pork, depends on how it's prepared. I save bacon for special occasions, same for hamburger or steak. Try to limit how much dairy I eat, and I rarely drink milk. I love all kinds of veggies, and try to eat as much as I can / can afford.

It's hard with two kids, but I have them and the wife eating the above. My kids aren't allowed sodas. Once or twice a week they can have sugar-free Kool-Aid. They're not allowed gum or candy. They drink plenty of water, and milk in the morning with breakfast. Their portions are controlled, too.

The main reason I'm hard on my kids is because despite all this, I'm still about 50lbs overweight (300lbs at 6'3"), and I was never taught healthy eating habits when I was younger because we were poor and dinner was whatever Mom could damn well scrape up, and she deep-fried everything. It's been a learned thing for me, and it's taken about 8 years now, but I'm on the program. I just need to excercise more. I know if I start the kids off with the idea of "this is how we eat, etc", it will stick with them.


glad that is all working for you, but you lump EGGS in with McD's & Hungry Man frozen dinner?? that is a shame, as they are one of the more perfect foods out there.

but since we are all sharing csb's - here's mine:

I've lost 30 ish pounds & have increased my performance on my preferred exercise method (mt. bike) eating the following:

start the day with a pint of raw milk with - bee pollen / cod liver / vit.D / vitC / 'mens health' (i'd have to ask the wife whats in it)

black tea with heavy cream & honey

whole milk yogurt w/ honey and cinnamon (on weekends - replace this with bacon & eggs.)

meat for lunch - preferably kinda fatty (dark meat chicken or pork) or lean meat (chicken breast) with lots of butter & a veggie & cheese.

sometimes second lunch of near the same, but smaller quantity & an apple.

dinner: see "lunch"

intermittent cups of white tea throughout the day (evening cup w/ just a touch of honey, cause you may have guessed, i have a bit of a sweet tooth.)

ta daa.

/awaits dietary flame fest.
 
2012-06-18 12:37:59 PM

Huggermugger: Wait, I thought kale chips were supposed to be the ne plus ultra of healthy food.

/can't keep up with the trends


Kale chips are evil incarnate.

/like kale. Like chips. But never the twain should meet.
 
2012-06-18 12:40:25 PM

machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...


if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense
 
2012-06-18 12:52:34 PM
i172.photobucket.com

What a healthy meal may look like.
 
2012-06-18 01:04:25 PM

inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense


The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.
 
2012-06-18 01:05:01 PM

hamfast gamgee: Gordinho: @Newportbarguy re: Full English Brekkie, now you're talking...

Seriously? I gag every time I see someone eating all that. Puts me right off my Coco Puffs.

Fark - not one bacon reference?

[www.mopo.ca image 480x360]


No bacon in the article? Pure bunk.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:33 PM

madgecko13: Philbb: Both the US FDA and the UK FSA have determined that aspartame is safe for consumption in certain amounts. FDA approves an ADI of 50 mg/kg body weight/day and the FSA approves an ADI of 40 mg/kg bw/d.

That's very special of you to quote studies. I still don't care. One piece of aspartame chewing gum results in my mouth going numb. Half a diet drink makes my hands shake and I can't grasp things. I don't really give a rip what your studies claim, nothing else has ever given me side effects like this. So to hell with aspartame. When I shop for gum its almost impossible to find one without it now. Dentyn Fire is about it. Or kids gums. Once upon a time it was safe to gargle with radon. The low doses didn't give most people problems, right? I invite you to drink up and hearty. Guzzle away!


I find this very difficult to believe.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:40 PM

Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish
, not nutrient density.


you got that part right at least.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:44 PM

Smackledorfer: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

It does if his other diet was sugar spikey as hell.


Fair enough, but that is why he has lost the weight then.

Low carb diets are bad over an extended period of time. Kidney failure is a biatch.
 
2012-06-18 01:55:02 PM

inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.


Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?
 
2012-06-18 02:08:31 PM

Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.

Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?


yep that's the one.

your sanctimonious tone & butthurtyness is just a cherry on top.
 
2012-06-18 02:23:07 PM

inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.

Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?

yep that's the one.

your sanctimonious tone & butthurtyness is just a cherry on top.


Oh please, do inform me how nutrient density affects energy levels then. Enlighten me.
 
2012-06-18 02:43:02 PM

Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: Smackledorfer: inner ted: machoprogrammer: KawaiiNot: / switching slowly over to Paleo eating. I've got the low carb "flu" right now but still have 10 times more energy then a week ago and my skin is as smooth as silk.


Having more energy on a low-carb diet makes no sense...

if you replace carbs with healthy fats, you get full & satisfied and stay that way far longer than by eating bread or taters.

/nutrient dense

The same is true if you replace carbs with rocks. You're stomach will stop sending signals and you'll be full and satisfied.

Insulin and blood sugar are the reasons why a diet with too many carbs leaves you tired and sluggish, not nutrient density.

you got that part right at least.

Oh, and which part did I get wrong, my dismissal of your buzzword of nutrient density?

yep that's the one.

your sanctimonious tone & butthurtyness is just a cherry on top.

Oh please, do inform me how nutrient density affects energy levels then. Enlighten me.


so you really can't understand how a standard white wonder bread has less nutritional value than say... almost anything ?

or even look at all the sports supplements. cramming all that (vitamins / electrolytes - cause it's what plants crave - proteins / carbs etc.) into a 'shot' of goo is more dense in nutrients than say... celery.

now i'm not advocating goo shots, just demonstrating the idea that some food has more value (nutrient wise) per gram / ounce / pound / ton than other food.

or another fine example: skim milk vs. whole raw milk. one is milk flavored water, with almost every nutrient boiled or blasted out of it, the other is a food source packed with ... wait for it... nutrients.

i don't expect you to acknowledge your newly discovered enlightenment, so i'll just look forward to more butthurt.
 
2012-06-18 03:05:56 PM
NewportBarGuy the black pudding is bloody offal.
Clemkadidlefark thanks for the asperatime warning.
 
2012-06-18 03:10:39 PM

inner ted: so you really can't understand how a standard white wonder bread has less nutritional value than say... almost anything ?


That has what to do with energy density of an individual piece of food and your resulting energy levels upon consumption?

inner ted: or even look at all the sports supplements.


So now you are confusing electrolyte replenishment with the fuel from from food. Good work.

And hey, is gatoraid full of calorie dense fat, or does it put sugar in so that it gives you more energy? Oh, that's right, its sugar.

Now how about a gel?

Link

Would you look at that?! its full of carbs. Simple sugars, in fact.

But if density is so important, shouldn't runners be pounding trail mix? Which is... wait for it... also loaded with carbs!

Amazing. You get energy from carbs, and if you need more energy, you add more carbs.

Now lets look at the atkins diet. Guess what it says about phase two (after you've drained your body of excess carbs and are focusing on steady weight loss)? If guessed: the more active you are, the more carbohydrates you should be eating, then you were correct.

inner ted: or another fine example: skim milk vs. whole raw milk.


I'm glad you brought milk up. Its 30% carbs, all of which are simple sugars.


What the hell do you consider a low-carb, calorie dense diet? Because here you are touting the energy value of simple sugar liquids.


What a pile of fail. Nutrient density in your food has nothing to do with energy levels beyond insulin and blood sugar. Anything beyond preventing a excessive insulin response to a blood sugar spike and the density of a meal actually lowers the amount of energy you get from it. None of which has anything to do with your claim that 'low carb diets provide more energy by being nutrient dense'. You are conflating so many variables its ridiculous.
 
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