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(Journal News)   Remember that huge-ass 1998 tobacco settlement that was going to pay for smoking-related health care costs over 25 years? Yeah, New York blew through that money ages ago like a redneck lottery winner   (lohud.com) divider line 89
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2012-06-17 08:47:56 PM
its ok, it will all trickle down

sort of like that one scene in Breaking Bad with the guy in the wheelchair? same thing, but more...trickle-y.
 
2012-06-17 08:55:59 PM
Somebody at the county was watching too much daytime TV with those "JG Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW" commercials.
 
2012-06-17 09:22:35 PM
Glad to know my home county is so terrible at handling money.
 
2012-06-17 09:26:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Somebody at the county was watching too much daytime TV with those "JG Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW" commercials.


But it WAS their money.

/They needed it then
//They need it even more now!
 
2012-06-17 09:30:58 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Somebody at the county was watching too much daytime TV with those "JG Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW" commercials.


Not to worry. They plan on making it back by mailing in all the extra gold they have laying around.
 
2012-06-17 09:31:29 PM
Dumb shiats.
 
2012-06-17 09:45:30 PM
It's totally ok because they'll make it up by raising the tax on cigarettes

/what could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-06-17 09:48:51 PM
Pre-9/11 thinking.
 
2012-06-17 09:48:52 PM
Is any one honestly surprised..pork now..debt later..it is the other guys fault.
 
2012-06-17 09:50:20 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: ecmoRandomNumbers: Somebody at the county was watching too much daytime TV with those "JG Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW" commercials.

But it WAS their money.

/They needed it then
//They need it even more now!


Credit where credit is due. They had great commercials.

The opera singing cash needers on the bus was my favorite.
 
2012-06-17 09:50:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's totally ok because they'll make it up by raising the tax on cigarettes

/what could possibly go wrong?


Don't have much of a problem with that. Idiot smokers will go without food before cigs. I don't know why more people don't have those eCigarettes.
 
2012-06-17 09:53:16 PM
Maine has done a great job keeping its Tobacco funds for Health Related Issues.
Until our new (R) Gov. decided he would love to use that money to support tax incentives for business and other pro-business activities.
 
2012-06-17 09:54:04 PM
I remember that one. Virginia spent a large portion of it on tobacco farmers.
 
2012-06-17 09:55:59 PM
"Giving government money and power is like giving car keys and whiskey to a teenage boy"
 
2012-06-17 10:00:36 PM
Instead, most of the money went to capital projects and to shore up health-care facilities

I like how the clause saying most of the money went exactly where it was supposed to go is prefaced with "instead". That's some un-biased reporting with no ulterior agenda whatsoever, yeah.
 
2012-06-17 10:01:20 PM

Mugato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's totally ok because they'll make it up by raising the tax on cigarettes

/what could possibly go wrong?

Don't have much of a problem with that. Idiot smokers will go without food before cigs. I don't know why more people don't have those eCigarettes.


Personal experience would tend to refute that

/gave up smoking when the choice was between smokes and food
//YMMV
 
2012-06-17 10:04:51 PM

dj_bigbird: "Giving government money and power is like giving car keys and whiskey to a teenage boy"


Taking away money and power from the goverment is also like giving car keys and whiskey to a teenage boy... in that wihout goverment there's nothing to stop the teenage boys from getting their hands on whiskey and car keys.

So vote repub.
 
2012-06-17 10:04:53 PM
anyone know what they spent it on? My bet is go-karts.
 
2012-06-17 10:14:58 PM
When cigarettes went up to $3 a pack I started rolling my own. When the cost of rolling my own went up to $3 a pack, I quit, after close to forty years of smoking. That was two years ago and, aside from not coughing for ten minutes in the morning, I honestly don't notice any significant health benefits. On the other hand, smells that I simply wouldn't have noticed when I was a smoker set off alarm bells in my head now. What is that smell? Is it supposed to smell like that?

I would never go back to smoking now but if it had remained relatively cheap and the health costs weren't so ghastly (on the other hand, they say that if you die of nothing else, you will eventually die from cancer), I probably wouldn't have quit. As it was I got an under the counter three week supply of Chantix and that did the trick. For the first week I smoked all I wanted. After a week I found myself saying "Do I really want a cigarette? Nah." Two days before I ran out of pills I said to myself "I better quit," and I did. Had a couple of tough moments in the weeks afterward but nothing I couldn't handle and that's saying a lot for a self-indulgent fellow like me.
 
2012-06-17 10:16:53 PM
And Rodney King died!!
 
2012-06-17 10:18:48 PM
ALso, I quit smoking to make sure I wasn't giving any more tax revenue to State/Feds.

/Did it to punsish the needy! LOLOLOLOLO!!!!
 
2012-06-17 10:22:05 PM
Hey you know what?

Let's take off all property tax caps and see what happens.
 
2012-06-17 10:27:52 PM

dj_bigbird: "Giving government money and power is like giving car keys and whiskey to a teenage boy"


well now if you watch a lot of these treads, guys on fark have been drinking, driving, watching porn and farking since they were 12/13 and it never did them any harm.

dang started that and had no finish,

holding head down in shame going over to reddit as punishment
 
2012-06-17 10:28:10 PM
Counties gave up millions from tobacco settlement for short-term gains

Let's see... pennies now, or dollars later... pennies now... dollars later... GIMME THEM PENNIES!
 
2012-06-17 10:32:45 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Somebody at the county was watching too much daytime TV with those "JG Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW" commercials.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-17 10:32:59 PM
when you have a hospital whose costs are out of control the answer is rarely float a bond back by your tobacco settlement and hand the people who can't get costs under control more money to blow through.
 
2012-06-17 10:35:46 PM

clambam: I would never go back to smoking now but if it had remained relatively cheap and the health costs weren't so ghastly (on the other hand, they say that if you die of nothing else, you will eventually die from cancer), I probably wouldn't have quit. As it was I got an under the counter three week supply of Chantix and that did the trick. For the first week I smoked all I wanted. After a week I found myself saying "Do I really want a cigarette? Nah." Two days before I ran out of pills I said to myself "I better quit," and I did. Had a couple of tough moments in the weeks afterward but nothing I couldn't handle and that's saying a lot for a self-indulgent fellow like me.


How was you experience with Chantix? I've heard that stuff is a hell of a ride.
 
2012-06-17 10:40:39 PM
They'll just sue the tobacco manufacturers again for some other contrived bullshiat and win another settlement. That well is bottomless, right?
 
2012-06-17 10:41:09 PM
When elections are held every couple of years, long term planning tends to be ignored. Jim Romero reports!
 
2012-06-17 10:43:40 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They'll just sue the tobacco manufacturers again for some other contrived bullshiat and win another settlement. That well is bottomless, right?


As long as there are cigarettes and children, yes
 
2012-06-17 10:43:40 PM
The government blew through a windfall irresponsibly and ahead of schedule?

blogs.dallasobserver.com
 
2012-06-17 10:47:44 PM
Short-termism is a turrible economic policy.
 
2012-06-17 10:48:16 PM
How DARE a private industry profit from the sale of a deadly product. Only government is allowed to do that!
 
2012-06-17 10:49:01 PM

IrateShadow:

How was you experience with Chantix? I've heard that stuff is a hell of a ride.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-17 10:53:44 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They'll just sue the tobacco manufacturers again for some other contrived bullshiat and win another settlement. That well is bottomless, right?


The lawsuit can easily be avoided by selling a product that doesn't kill the user.

/just say'in
 
2012-06-17 10:59:46 PM

IrateShadow: How was you experience with Chantix? I've heard that stuff is a hell of a ride.


I was kind of looking forward to the vivid dreams but they never happened. I didn't feel suicidal either, although I know one guy who had to quit because it was making him suicidal. They generally give you a two month supply but I've seen a neighbor essentially not quit smoking because the regimen was so easy to follow. Having only a three week supply focused my attention enormously.
 
2012-06-17 11:01:44 PM
I still think those egregious tobacco lawsuits were some of the most pointless things to go through the legal system in quite some time.

Yes, our clients knew the health risks involved by smoking- and continued to do so even after being presented with just about every clinical study in the last 50 - 60 years coming to the same conclusion that smoking will indeed KILL you. But they were 'tricked' by the tobacco companies, and they make evil addicting products!!! SUE SUE SUE!!!
 
2012-06-17 11:10:41 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: I still think those egregious tobacco lawsuits were some of the most pointless things to go through the legal system in quite some time.

Yes, our clients knew the health risks involved by smoking- and continued to do so even after being presented with just about every clinical study in the last 50 - 60 years coming to the same conclusion that smoking will indeed KILL you. But they were 'tricked' by the tobacco companies, and they make evil addicting products!!! SUE SUE SUE!!!


I'd be a little more inclined to agree with this viewpoint if tobacco executives hadn't spent decades lying during Congressional hearings about the health effects of their products, and about how they were manipulating the contents to make them more addictive.

If a company feels its products are safe and legal, then they should have no problem acting in a moral and ethical manner. If they don't, they deserve what they get.
 
2012-06-17 11:12:13 PM
A decade ago, Wisconsin traded what would have totaled $4B in settlements for $1.6B cash on the barrelhead, in order to balance its budget. There was a Republican governor in office at the time, but it was very much a bipartisan effort out of the Legislature.

Wisconsin's per-capita income doesn't match neighboring Illinois's or Minnesota's, and the budget shortfall was the result of a longtime trend of more spending that it could really pay for, no matter who was Governor at the time.

/not intending to hijack the thread and bring up the Wisconsin recall election, honest!
 
2012-06-17 11:18:12 PM
I told people about this just a few years after the settlement when I saw my state putting the money into the general fund. These f*cking idiots have no idea how to handle money. It isn't even a party issue. They just do not give a sh*t about public finance. They want to make sure their budget is ok and f*ck everyone after them.

We are a selfish and greedy people. We hire those that want to win our acceptance and praise. So, they set the seed for our financial destruction by using all of their resources to give us what we want right now. We love them for it, then we realize how badly they f*cked us and it is too late.

Perfect example of how f*cked we really are.
 
2012-06-17 11:18:42 PM
Remember that huge-ass 1998 tobacco settlement

Hmmm. This is the first time it doesn't work

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-06-17 11:19:27 PM

clambam: When cigarettes went up to $3 a pack I started rolling my own. When the cost of rolling my own went up to $3 a pack, I quit, after close to forty years of smoking. That was two years ago and, aside from not coughing for ten minutes in the morning, I honestly don't notice any significant health benefits. On the other hand, smells that I simply wouldn't have noticed when I was a smoker set off alarm bells in my head now. What is that smell? Is it supposed to smell like that?

I would never go back to smoking now but if it had remained relatively cheap and the health costs weren't so ghastly (on the other hand, they say that if you die of nothing else, you will eventually die from cancer), I probably wouldn't have quit. As it was I got an under the counter three week supply of Chantix and that did the trick. For the first week I smoked all I wanted. After a week I found myself saying "Do I really want a cigarette? Nah." Two days before I ran out of pills I said to myself "I better quit," and I did. Had a couple of tough moments in the weeks afterward but nothing I couldn't handle and that's saying a lot for a self-indulgent fellow like me.



Stopping smoking doesn't make you get healthier. It keeps your health from getting worse since the damage is already done.
 
2012-06-17 11:22:07 PM

ImpendingCynic: TheEdibleSnuggie: I still think those egregious tobacco lawsuits were some of the most pointless things to go through the legal system in quite some time.

Yes, our clients knew the health risks involved by smoking- and continued to do so even after being presented with just about every clinical study in the last 50 - 60 years coming to the same conclusion that smoking will indeed KILL you. But they were 'tricked' by the tobacco companies, and they make evil addicting products!!! SUE SUE SUE!!!

I'd be a little more inclined to agree with this viewpoint if tobacco executives hadn't spent decades lying during Congressional hearings about the health effects of their products, and about how they were manipulating the contents to make them more addictive.

If a company feels its products are safe and legal, then they should have no problem acting in a moral and ethical manner. If they don't, they deserve what they get.


If only the Surgeon General hadn't issued a warning that smoking causes cancer way back in the early 1960s, and if only the government hadn't mandated that said warning had to appear on every pack of smokes sold since 1966, I might be inclined to accept your claims of ignorance. Alas, those things did happen, and in spite of that the courts bought the ignorance argument. They did it once before, they'll do it again.
 
2012-06-17 11:23:17 PM

jaytkay: Remember that huge-ass 1998 tobacco settlement

Hmmm. This is the first time it doesn't work

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x342]


needed to see that stupidass cartoon one more time.
 
2012-06-17 11:25:39 PM

JPINFV: clambam: When cigarettes went up to $3 a pack I started rolling my own. When the cost of rolling my own went up to $3 a pack, I quit, after close to forty years of smoking. That was two years ago and, aside from not coughing for ten minutes in the morning, I honestly don't notice any significant health benefits. On the other hand, smells that I simply wouldn't have noticed when I was a smoker set off alarm bells in my head now. What is that smell? Is it supposed to smell like that?

I would never go back to smoking now but if it had remained relatively cheap and the health costs weren't so ghastly (on the other hand, they say that if you die of nothing else, you will eventually die from cancer), I probably wouldn't have quit. As it was I got an under the counter three week supply of Chantix and that did the trick. For the first week I smoked all I wanted. After a week I found myself saying "Do I really want a cigarette? Nah." Two days before I ran out of pills I said to myself "I better quit," and I did. Had a couple of tough moments in the weeks afterward but nothing I couldn't handle and that's saying a lot for a self-indulgent fellow like me.


Stopping smoking doesn't make you get healthier. It keeps your health from getting worse since the damage is already done.


not even slightly true.
 
2012-06-17 11:26:01 PM
This is about as surprising as my dogs' farts smelling like dog farts.
 
2012-06-17 11:27:46 PM

JPINFV: clambam: When cigarettes went up to $3 a pack I started rolling my own. When the cost of rolling my own went up to $3 a pack, I quit, after close to forty years of smoking. That was two years ago and, aside from not coughing for ten minutes in the morning, I honestly don't notice any significant health benefits. On the other hand, smells that I simply wouldn't have noticed when I was a smoker set off alarm bells in my head now. What is that smell? Is it supposed to smell like that?

I would never go back to smoking now but if it had remained relatively cheap and the health costs weren't so ghastly (on the other hand, they say that if you die of nothing else, you will eventually die from cancer), I probably wouldn't have quit. As it was I got an under the counter three week supply of Chantix and that did the trick. For the first week I smoked all I wanted. After a week I found myself saying "Do I really want a cigarette? Nah." Two days before I ran out of pills I said to myself "I better quit," and I did. Had a couple of tough moments in the weeks afterward but nothing I couldn't handle and that's saying a lot for a self-indulgent fellow like me.


Stopping smoking doesn't make you get healthier. It keeps your health from getting worse since the damage is already done.


Actually the human body has limited capacities for self-repair. So yes, quitting can make a person healthier.
 
2012-06-17 11:31:47 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: If only the Surgeon General hadn't issued a warning that smoking causes cancer way back in the early 1960s, and if only the government hadn't mandated that said warning had to appear on every pack of smokes sold since 1966, I might be inclined to accept your claims of ignorance. Alas, those things did happen, and in spite of that the courts bought the ignorance argument. They did it once before, they'll do it again.


Where did I claim that despite the evidence, the public were ignorant dupes?

I have no sympathy for the tobacco companies who spent decades lying under oath about the health effects, and manipulating their products, even when presented with the evidence that smoking was dangerous.

If I'm going to get outraged over courts accepting ridiculous claims, there are better examples than the tobacco lawsuits.
 
2012-06-17 11:33:59 PM

ImpendingCynic: TheEdibleSnuggie: I still think those egregious tobacco lawsuits were some of the most pointless things to go through the legal system in quite some time.

Yes, our clients knew the health risks involved by smoking- and continued to do so even after being presented with just about every clinical study in the last 50 - 60 years coming to the same conclusion that smoking will indeed KILL you. But they were 'tricked' by the tobacco companies, and they make evil addicting products!!! SUE SUE SUE!!!

I'd be a little more inclined to agree with this viewpoint if tobacco executives hadn't spent decades lying during Congressional hearings about the health effects of their products, and about how they were manipulating the contents to make them more addictive.

If a company feels its products are safe and legal, then they should have no problem acting in a moral and ethical manner. If they don't, they deserve what they get.


Using that logic MADD, SADD, and local law enforcement agencies should have received BILLIONS in restitution from the likes of Budweiser, Miller, Coors, and Yuengling. Heaven forbid somebody drink a little too much and then get behind the wheel of a car, then cause a serious fatal accident.

Or do they get a free pass because you know, their television commercials and print ads tell you to- 'drink responsibly.'
 
2012-06-17 11:40:02 PM

jaytkay: Hmmm. This is the first time it doesn't work


that's because "1998" and "tobacco" are modifiers in this case. Drop them and it works fine.
 
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