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2012-06-17 09:39:21 PM

Mrtraveler01: CTRL+F: "defense"

No matches found.

Hmm...unless you guys are willing to put defense on the table, why should I take any of these clowns (Tea Party) seriously?


You know the Democrats are also not serious about defense cuts. Singling out the "tea party" which isn't actually a political party at all doesn't focus on the problem that neither major party will run nationally on "cutting defense".
 
2012-06-17 09:45:12 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Mrtraveler01: CTRL+F: "defense"

No matches found.

Hmm...unless you guys are willing to put defense on the table, why should I take any of these clowns (Tea Party) seriously?

You know the Democrats are also not serious about defense cuts. Singling out the "tea party" which isn't actually a political party at all doesn't focus on the problem that neither major party will run nationally on "cutting defense".


The Tea Party is a political party. They are Republicans who had to figure out a way to dust off the old "tax and spend Democrat" attack without acknowledging that they cheerled the enormous financial clusterfarkery of the last administration. It was GOP rebranding and nothing more.

November of 2008 saw a lot of born again "fiscal conservatives."
 
2012-06-17 09:46:19 PM

stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Mrtraveler01: CTRL+F: "defense"

No matches found.

Hmm...unless you guys are willing to put defense on the table, why should I take any of these clowns (Tea Party) seriously?

You know the Democrats are also not serious about defense cuts. Singling out the "tea party" which isn't actually a political party at all doesn't focus on the problem that neither major party will run nationally on "cutting defense".

The Tea Party is a political party. They are Republicans who had to figure out a way to dust off the old "tax and spend Democrat" attack without acknowledging that they cheerled the enormous financial clusterfarkery of the last administration. It was GOP rebranding and nothing more.

November of 2008 saw a lot of born again "fiscal conservatives."


Infected with Fundies.
 
2012-06-17 09:48:16 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: You know the Democrats are also not serious about defense cuts. Singling out the "tea party" which isn't actually a political party at all doesn't focus on the problem that neither major party will run nationally on "cutting defense".


Oh I know, I have no argument here concerning that.

But they will spend hours biatching about how much Medicare and Medicaid are draining our government but fight tooth and nail to defend the DoD spending even though it's a large chunk of our budget as well.

That's why I can never take the Tea Party seriously when they talk about cutting spending. Because what they really mean is that they don't want to spend money just on the things they don't want to.

I'd be more than willing to actually take them seriously if they start talking about cutting defense like they want to cut Medicare/Medicaid.
 
2012-06-17 09:53:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You know the Democrats are also not serious about defense cuts. Singling out the "tea party" which isn't actually a political party at all doesn't focus on the problem that neither major party will run nationally on "cutting defense".

Oh I know, I have no argument here concerning that.

But they will spend hours biatching about how much Medicare and Medicaid are draining our government but fight tooth and nail to defend the DoD spending even though it's a large chunk of our budget as well.

That's why I can never take the Tea Party seriously when they talk about cutting spending. Because what they really mean is that they don't want to spend money just on the things they don't want to.

I'd be more than willing to actually take them seriously if they start talking about cutting defense like they want to cut Medicare/Medicaid.


Exactly besides if the Tea party was serious they would move to cut the entiltlment programs that fund their mostly old, white and dying off electorate. Which cost far more to subsidize then are current defense budget..which will shrink it has too anyway.
 
2012-06-17 09:58:42 PM

stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.


No, they aren't. They are a political movement.



Mrtraveler01: But they will spend hours biatching about how much Medicare and Medicaid are draining our government but fight tooth and nail to defend the DoD spending even though it's a large chunk of our budget as well.


Democrats biatch and moan about paying for all the things they want, and also ignore Defense money.

Mrtraveler01: That's why I can never take the Tea Party seriously when they talk about cutting spending. Because what they really mean is that they don't want to spend money just on the things they don't want to.


Nobody does. GOP don't want a shiat ton of the left's 'social policies' either. The Democrats don't like the GOP bills, and can't make a budget. This is not something the OWS morons or Tea people are responsible for. We point and laugh at them, but they really aren't what's wrong.

Mrtraveler01: I'd be more than willing to actually take them seriously if they start talking about cutting defense like they want to cut Medicare/Medicaid.


I don't take Congress seriously. Nothing gets done for the most part, and when it DOES get done, it seems to get done half-assed or just totally farking wrong.
 
2012-06-17 10:09:33 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.


Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.
 
2012-06-17 10:14:58 PM

stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.

Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.


Your claim of them being a political party was wrong. Don't get all upset about it.
 
2012-06-17 10:16:55 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.

Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.

Your claim of them being a political party was wrong. Don't get all upset about it.


They're not a political party. They're just a pep rally and a fan club for the Republicans.

Better now?
 
2012-06-17 10:18:28 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Oxygen_Thief: I am a young American, but not a fundamentalist christian...therefore I am a commie socialist who hates the freedoms.

/morans..gosh

A christian called you a freedom hating socialist commie?

Nucleus: Corporations are NOT people. The Roberts court must be dismantled.

Ah. Well, please explain exactly how you would go about that.


There's three little Torx fasteners under the rim of the casing.
 
2012-06-17 10:19:48 PM

Mrtraveler01: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.

Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.

Your claim of them being a political party was wrong. Don't get all upset about it.

They're not a political party. They're just a pep rally and a fan club for the Republicans.

Better now?


There are self identified "Tea Party" Republicans sitting in office some of whom ousted other Republicans to get elected. It's definitely a political party. It's just overlaps to a great degree with "normal" Republicans.
 
2012-06-17 10:22:29 PM

Mrtraveler01: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.

Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.

Your claim of them being a political party was wrong. Don't get all upset about it.

They're not a political party. They're just a pep rally and a fan club for the Republicans.

Better now?


Better before really, not like it was an issue. You felt the need to join in? I'm sure you just as easily could have corrected him.
 
2012-06-17 10:23:42 PM
The intellectual wattage is blinding.

www.idiotsholdingsigns.com

www.idiotsholdingsigns.com

www.idiotsholdingsigns.com

www.idiotsholdingsigns.com
 
2012-06-17 10:29:55 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Mrtraveler01: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.

Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.

Your claim of them being a political party was wrong. Don't get all upset about it.

They're not a political party. They're just a pep rally and a fan club for the Republicans.

Better now?

Better before really, not like it was an issue. You felt the need to join in? I'm sure you just as easily could have corrected him.


I'm sorry then. What is the correct answer then?
 
2012-06-17 10:33:02 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: If Americans of any age knew what was good for them they'd be standing with us in Occupy. fark the Tea Party.


Most people have Shiat To Do so they can you know pay bills.

That said I work for not that much pay to try to make things better and the next time a douchebag AARP member tells me I am totally wrong and stupid because I'm under 30 I might snap. Especially since this usually arises about issues where I've done a TON of research, unbiased sources and from both sides, am comfortable with working my ass off for a solution and they, well, are usually talking out of their ass.

I've had some great agree to disagree dialogues with some older folks, but not a single one of those decent people labeled themselves as a Tea Bagger. I'd say the most common label they self apply is just "frustrated", which I understand.
 
2012-06-17 10:35:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: I'm sorry then. What is the correct answer then?


www.hoax-slayer.com

I can tell you what it's not.
 
2012-06-17 10:42:53 PM
Subby is apparently using the word "good" referencing an is-ought ordering basis with which I'm... probably familiar, but currently consider incoherent.

As for the content of TFA, I suspect there's an error in current economic theory, about what the actual value is for a promise to repay a debt, propagated from a pretty foundational level, and probably also tied to the time-value-of-money concept... which renders TFA based in bullshiat.

2.bp.blogspot.com


However, my opinion together with $5 US can get you a img.fark.net subscription.
 
2012-06-17 11:10:58 PM

TheOmni: If young white rich Americans knew what was good for them (and only them), they would all be in the Tea Party.


Well those without a conscience anyway. Not all wealthy people are sociopaths.
 
2012-06-17 11:12:58 PM

NewportBarGuy: Since when do young Americans know any f*cking thing at all?


Since when do tea baggers know any farking thing at all. It's the party of the loud and the ignorant.
 
2012-06-17 11:24:11 PM

kg2095: Since when do tea baggers know any farking thing at all. It's the party of the loud and the ignorant.


Yes, but they yell louder and that means they love America more and Jesus can hear them.
 
2012-06-17 11:36:15 PM

Serious Black: Chimperror2: Obvious tag on vacation?

If young people knew what was best for them, they wouldn't be young people.

Should young people have the socialism beaten out of them too?


No, just the stupidity. But it's the same the thing.
 
2012-06-17 11:40:41 PM

NewportBarGuy: kg2095: Since when do tea baggers know any farking thing at all. It's the party of the loud and the ignorant.

Yes, but they yell louder and that means they love America more and Jesus can hear them.


It must suck for Jesus. Because of the holes, he can't even cover his ears and have it do any good.
 
2012-06-17 11:41:13 PM
I agree! It'd probably be easier to destroy from within.
 
2012-06-17 11:56:00 PM

Gato Blanco: The day you see my name on a ticket that endorses a Republican candidate is the day I'm literally dead and those motherfarkers are committing voter fraud.


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THIS
 
2012-06-18 12:03:58 AM

Chimperror2: Serious Black: Chimperror2: Obvious tag on vacation?

If young people knew what was best for them, they wouldn't be young people.

Should young people have the socialism beaten out of them too?

No, just the stupidity. But it's the same the thing.


I trust that the Republican Beating Commission will send one of their assault panels to my house soon?
 
2012-06-18 12:20:38 AM

randomjsa: That's what makes this effort by liberals to rename themselves "progressives", because progress is somehow tied to going back to total government control of everything...


"total government control of everything" ??? When did this happen?

Oh, right, I forgot about George II's universal health care plan that nearly bankrupted the Royal Chancellor.

Where do you get this stuff?
 
2012-06-18 12:22:24 AM

NFA: St_Francis_P: It's kind of sad and funny to remember back when the Tea Party styled themselves as being "libertarian". They certainly got over that phase in a hurry.

The original founders were pushed out and the Tea Party was usurped by the GOP. Then it all went down hill from there...


Bullshiat. It started at the bottom of the hill and immediately started digging a latrine.

The original founders of the Tea Party were inspired by some astroturf motherfarker who was incensed that some of the economic bailout might actually reach the middle class, i.e. the people who were hurt at the "oh shiat where do we live now" level by Wall Street. It's been ignorant, retarded, and yes, blatantly racist pond scum, led by the nose by disingenuous GOP corporate whores, from start to finish. The most generous way I can describe it is as a successful internal GOP coup by Grover Norquist and people like him.
 
2012-06-18 12:39:00 AM

3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: 3_Butt_Cheeks: stoli n coke: The Tea Party is a political party.

No, they aren't. They are a political movement.

Who just happen to agree with any ideas Republican congresscritters come up with and vote exclusively Republican.

Keep telling yourself they're not just rebranded Republicans. Maybe you'll actually start believing that yourself.

Your claim of them being a political party was wrong. Don't get all upset about it.


Dude, a lot of people spent a lot of money to reshape the brand identity perception of the Republican Party in a number of demographic groups. You have to respect the Tea Party. Just like you have to respect Coca-Cola for taking the New Coke debacle and turning it into Classic Coke.
 
2012-06-18 12:44:56 AM

ghare: gimmegimme: WhyteRaven74: [markc1.typepad.com image 580x377]

BTW has anyone found a single founding father who would support the Tea Party?

Does Benedict Arnold count as a Founding Father?

Given teabagger desire for an hereditary monarchy, I'm sure they'll get to rehabilitating him as soon as they're done having Reagan declared an Official State God, like Augustus.


I've heard of the "Imperial Presidency", but that's going too far :-)
 
2012-06-18 12:56:04 AM

Serious Black: Why the hell would I support a platform that guarantees no cuts for any of the baby boomers but massive cuts for everyone younger than them? The rest of my cohort and I sure as fark didn't cause any of the problems that brought the country to its knees, so why should we be the only people who pay for all of the solutions?


Hell, let's give the elder folks MOAR money!
 
2012-06-18 01:11:55 AM
The only kind of tea party I would join:

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-06-18 01:17:56 AM
Actually, I think it'd be more probable that they'd all be in Occupy.

...and now that I think of it, that's one of the big reasons Occupy was ridiculed in the first place.
 
2012-06-18 01:23:12 AM
Nah. Young Americans are too lazy to be Teabaggers.

/and blushing at all the Afro Sheeners
 
2012-06-18 02:17:55 AM
If young people knew what was good for them they would be idiots? Um, ok...
 
2012-06-18 02:26:24 AM

Strix occidentalis: The only kind of tea party I would join:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


looks lovely
 
2012-06-18 03:03:05 AM
Imagine, we decided to give up and split into two nations:

Corporate Jesusland - The 1%, Conservatives, Christian Fundamentalists, Randians

The Free People Of America - Libertarians, Liberals, all non-white former Americans

Q: Who would be around in 100 years?

A: Corporate Jesusland. They would quickly consume all their resources, blame everyone else, and use their military to conquer TFPOA and enslave its inhabitants in Jesus's name.
 
2012-06-18 03:59:54 AM
"Austerity" sounds an awful lot like cutting down on public infrastructure, public healthcare, and public education. In short, choking off the future of the nation. A government should instead focus on collecting taxes, raising them if necessary, and investing in the future.
 
2012-06-18 04:20:03 AM
HaHaHaHaHaHa times 3 billion.
 
2012-06-18 06:20:29 AM
The heart of the matter is the way public debt allows the current generation of voters to live at the expense of those as yet too young to vote or as yet unborn.

In other words, The Tytler cycle.
 
2012-06-18 06:37:36 AM

lunogled: What was Niall Ferguson writing about when Bush and Blair were in power?
Oh, yeah, I remember... war in Iraq is great, and the British empire was hunky dory.


Niall Ferguson is one of those people, if I want a quick "rule of thumb" of whether something is good or bad, I find out his view and take the opposite stance. It isn't 100%, but near enough to be useful.
 
2012-06-18 06:37:36 AM

Gato Blanco: As the child of a Hispanic, single-mother immigrant, I have seen people dismiss her, boss her around, and treat her cruelly simply because of her "funny accent" and her tanned skin. I have also seen the looks they give her when it becomes revealed that she was a single mother who immigrated to the USA.

As an American in debt due to college expenses, I know what the consequences of increasingly right-wing policies in the past few decades have done to this country, and do my best to responsibly pay off that loan. As an educated individual, I have seen the GOP dismiss my concerns for the others entering this cycle as greedy, communist, and evil.

As an unmarried female whose life was actually saved by cheap and affordable contraceptives, I have observed the GOP criminalize me and other women as people that want a free ride, people that have no morals, and people who are Satanic.

As someone who has a lesbian family member who means so much to me, and I wish one day to be her bridesmaid as she walks down the aisle with her wife, I have seen the state of North Carolina tear her dream to pieces via the vile lies of "family values" and religion that is supposed to be separated from government to the 1st farkin' Amendment.

The day you see my name on a ticket that endorses a Republican candidate is the day I'm literally dead and those motherfarkers are committing voter fraud. With everything that I have seen in my lifetime, it'll be a cold day in hell that I vote Republican. They should be terrified, because unfortunately I'm not the only young voter that has been affected by this-- and their voter base is dying of old age.


Actually, the student loan bubble caused by the ever-present and near unlimited availability of college loans to anyone and everyone with a pulse has raised tuition at a rate 2-4x inflation and the cost of other goods with no explanation from the statists as to why. With advancements in technology, whatever school you go to should require less staff per student than it did 20 years ago and should be able to provide a better education.

The right-wing didn't force you into a mountain of debt. You made a conscious choice to take on the debt and now your head is on a swivel looking for some politician who will promise to tax some 1%er so you can get what you think is yours.

And contraceptives? Medicaid offers them. If you're poor, take them. if you can afford it, you should pay it like the rest of us.
 
2012-06-18 07:13:09 AM
says economic historian Niall Ferguson

nick.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-06-18 07:36:06 AM
It scares the hell out of me that a British person is advocating a far-right wing, xenophobic, hyper-jingoistic, "We're right and everybody else is evil" upstart party that's angling to gain total control after a massive economic crash. For a historian, he seems to have no idea what a history book is.
 
2012-06-18 08:09:59 AM
cosmiquemuffin:
www.idiotsholdingsigns.com

Why did that horrible woman use an anus as her 'o' in "Don't"?

And why did she end a quote she didn't start?

/ and whar did she get pudding? WHAR?
 
2012-06-18 08:11:49 AM

spongeboob: Governments should be more honest about the size of their debts and young voters would be wise to get politicians to pay them off as soon as possible, says economic historian Niall Ferguson in the first of his BBC

Really because back in 2000 when the US was running a budget surplus there was worry about paying of the national debt.



Link


Woa, that was a good read.
 
2012-06-18 08:42:07 AM
don't drink the tea.
 
2012-06-18 09:14:32 AM
Niall Ferguson, proof that a British accent will fool some Americans into believing you're smart.
 
2012-06-18 10:42:53 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Hear that, Young Americans?
The Tea Party thinks you're stupid.


No they don't engage in that activity, that is the problem.
 
2012-06-18 11:11:00 AM
let's not discuss the fiscal time-bomb that is the debt, let us use this opportunity do dust off our tea-bagger outrage a la 2010.
 
2012-06-18 11:15:21 AM
Those "welfare schemes" aren't the reason why our country is in the hole. Clinton definitively proved it in the 90's. If we could get the reckless spending of the Republicans under control by putting an end to their unfunded tax cuts, corporate giveaways, and useless pork projects forced on the Pentagon we'd be doing a hell of a lot better than we are now.

The Dems aren't completely in the clear on the issue either but its been under the watch of the Repubs that has seen the largest jumps in debt and deficit. Right now here in Kansas new Governor Brownback was elected to curb government spending. But for all that hollering about the deficit, Brownback is now poised to absolutely explode the deficit wide open by passing a massive tax cut to businesses. The annual deficit will grow to over $2.5 BILLION a year. Current total debt is $28 billion. His tax cut alone will grow the state debt by nearly 9% every year.

So massive tax breaks for the wealthy. But they are attempting to offset them...with tax increases for everyone else. Sales tax is going up and a lot of tax credits people get are being cut. Namely the state's earned income credit. Keep in mind that the hole in the budge I mentioned before is projected after these budget increases on the backs of the working man are taken into consideration.

So they're raising our deficit, raising our debt, and for most of us raising our taxes. Meanwhile our schools, state jobs, environmental programs, etc. are being defended.

Under Republicans the message is always clear: we pay more for less.
 
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