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(Washington Post)   No, the EPA is not using unmanned drones to spy on poor, defenseless, manure-dumping farmers. The EPA is using regular, piloted planes to spy on poor, defenseless, manure-dumping farmers   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 18
    More: Interesting, EPA, UAVs, House Agriculture Committee, Bob Beckel, Denny Rehberg, Dana Perino, farmers  
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2012-06-17 03:26:15 PM
3 votes:
If farmers have a problem with it then they should stop dumping shiat in municipal water supplies.
2012-06-17 02:51:49 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: "It is truly an invasion of privacy," said Chuck Folken, who runs a farm and cattle feedlot in Leigh, Neb. Farmers worry about photos of private homes and back yards winding up in government files. "We don't need our own government ... flying over us, taking pictures of us, telling us what we're doing wrong."

If your actions affect others, like dumping manure into the water supply, then I suppose the flights aren't quite the invasion of privacy.

FTFA: The EPA says the flights are legal, under a 1986 Supreme Court decision. And they're cheap: An on-the-ground inspection might cost $10,000, but it costs just $1,000 to $2,500 to survey the same farm by air. An agency spokesman said these flights are not happening more frequently now than in the past.

Government waste at its worst, amirite?
2012-06-17 04:41:43 PM
2 votes:

cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?


No.

I don't assume I'm invisible when I am outside. "Using planes to spy on people" is no different than "using people to spy on people" or "simply being looked at by the guy walking down the street".

When the gov't starts looking into my home, then I'll care. I assume that being outside is called "in public" for a reason.
2012-06-17 04:02:16 PM
2 votes:

cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)


Should the EPA not be inspecting farms?

If they should be inspecting farms and it's cheaper/easier to do so by plane than on foot, why not do it by plane?
2012-06-17 05:43:26 PM
1 votes:
intelligent comment below: I'm just going to repeat the nonsense the right wing spewed after the Patriot Act was created.

"You shouldn't worry if you have nothing to hide"


The local Drug Task Forces had been doing this for years before the Patriot Act was a wet dream in the eyes of some Right-Winged Douchebag. They just had crappier airframes they slung the stuff on, rather than grant-bought stuff they have now. (Bell 205s) Don't pretend this is anything new.

Hell, the LAPD had FLIR in the late 80s/Early 90s.
2012-06-17 05:33:09 PM
1 votes:
cman: Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)

You must piss yourself every time a police helicopter flies over your house.

I can't imagine living my life afraid of the Black Government CIA Helicopters just waiting to launch their goosestepping stormtroopers at me.
2012-06-17 05:25:26 PM
1 votes:

GORDON: SN1987a goes boom: If farmers have a problem with it then they should stop dumping shiat in municipal water supplies.

Something tells me you know nothing about where farmers in Nebraska live.


The proper term would be "Watershed". His sentiment was correct even if his terminology was wrong.
2012-06-17 05:24:01 PM
1 votes:
"Don't shiat where you eat"
2012-06-17 04:51:25 PM
1 votes:
All production facilities of any kind should be required to dispose of all waste in secure methods of environmentally-friendly disposal. Any water around the facilities should have no increase in any contaminate be it antibiotic, nitrogen, phosphorus, fecal coliform bacteria, or other things.
2012-06-17 04:20:13 PM
1 votes:

cman: When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat...


We get better drinking water because they catch people who are engaging in illegal, disgusting acts that harm their neighbors? And they catch them in a way that doesn't negatively impact anybody? And is cheap?

What part of "cheap, effective, non-intrusive law enforcement" do you hate the most, exactly?
2012-06-17 04:05:17 PM
1 votes:
The EPA already uses airplanes and IR cameras to check the condition of flares and look for leaks/emissions in chemical plants and refineries. About once a month, we have a Cessna buzz our refinery for the better part of a day. They did it for a whole week before our EPA audit in May.

Harris county also parks a van on the public street and takes air samples. They've helped us find leaks before. Pretty impressive what they can do.
2012-06-17 03:51:19 PM
1 votes:
Using unarmed drones would be the smart way to do it. Why do the conservatives hate efficient government?
2012-06-17 03:50:41 PM
1 votes:
Since when is flying a plane over a pasture 'spying'? If this is the best propaganda money can buy they better ask for their money back. This is right up there with terrorist fist-jabs and anchor babies.
2012-06-17 03:48:15 PM
1 votes:
Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)
2012-06-17 03:34:17 PM
1 votes:
Go farm in Somalia if you don't like it.
2012-06-17 03:34:07 PM
1 votes:
These farmers are acting like the EPA put the turd into their punchbowl.
2012-06-17 03:29:04 PM
1 votes:
Well who shat on their water?.
2012-06-17 02:46:05 PM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Then, at 2:51 p.m. June 1, the Web site pjmedia.com

How shocking. :|


Yeah... speaking of remotely controlled drones...
 
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