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(Washington Post)   No, the EPA is not using unmanned drones to spy on poor, defenseless, manure-dumping farmers. The EPA is using regular, piloted planes to spy on poor, defenseless, manure-dumping farmers   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 73
    More: Interesting, EPA, UAVs, House Agriculture Committee, Bob Beckel, Denny Rehberg, Dana Perino, farmers  
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2012-06-17 01:40:03 PM
OF COURSE the EPA will deny this. So typical.
 
2012-06-17 02:11:01 PM
Then, at 2:51 p.m. June 1, the Web site pjmedia.com

How shocking. :|
 
2012-06-17 02:46:05 PM

Relatively Obscure: Then, at 2:51 p.m. June 1, the Web site pjmedia.com

How shocking. :|


Yeah... speaking of remotely controlled drones...
 
2012-06-17 02:51:49 PM
FTFA: "It is truly an invasion of privacy," said Chuck Folken, who runs a farm and cattle feedlot in Leigh, Neb. Farmers worry about photos of private homes and back yards winding up in government files. "We don't need our own government ... flying over us, taking pictures of us, telling us what we're doing wrong."

If your actions affect others, like dumping manure into the water supply, then I suppose the flights aren't quite the invasion of privacy.

FTFA: The EPA says the flights are legal, under a 1986 Supreme Court decision. And they're cheap: An on-the-ground inspection might cost $10,000, but it costs just $1,000 to $2,500 to survey the same farm by air. An agency spokesman said these flights are not happening more frequently now than in the past.

Government waste at its worst, amirite?
 
2012-06-17 03:00:46 PM
FTFA: "It is truly an invasion of privacy," said Chuck Folken, who runs a farm and cattle feedlot in Leigh, Neb. Farmers worry about photos of private homes and back yards winding up in government files. "We don't need our own government ... flying over us, taking pictures of us, telling us what we're doing wrong."

Good. 19 states already use police airplane to catch speeders. Grew up with it in OK 30 years ago. Its cheaper, more efficient, and no one cares if you doggie your wife in the pig trough outside anyway.
 
2012-06-17 03:26:15 PM
If farmers have a problem with it then they should stop dumping shiat in municipal water supplies.
 
2012-06-17 03:29:04 PM
Well who shat on their water?.
 
2012-06-17 03:33:49 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: "It is truly an invasion of privacy," said Chuck Folken, who runs a farm and cattle feedlot in Leigh, Neb. Farmers worry about photos of private homes and back yards winding up in government files. "We don't need our own government ... flying over us, taking pictures of us, telling us what we're doing wrong."

Good. 19 states already use police airplane to catch speeders. Grew up with it in OK 30 years ago. Its cheaper, more efficient, and no one cares if you doggie your wife in the pig trough outside anyway.


So does guy support DEA flights with IR cameras to find grow houses?? You're outside, you have no expectation of privacy.

/paranoia is a terrible thing
 
2012-06-17 03:34:07 PM
These farmers are acting like the EPA put the turd into their punchbowl.
 
2012-06-17 03:34:17 PM
Go farm in Somalia if you don't like it.
 
2012-06-17 03:36:15 PM
Which do you think costs more, a purpose built drone or hiring a Cessna by the hour and a Canon 7D?

There is already a cadre of line check crews that inspect power lines from Skyhawks. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to get them to do other checks.
 
2012-06-17 03:37:59 PM
Wow, that's a really interesting story about how misinformation spreads in the new media echo chamber.

Too bad this thread will devolve into "durrrt farmer put poop in water table"
 
2012-06-17 03:41:17 PM
Subby, go drink a glass of runny poop and stfu.
 
2012-06-17 03:46:49 PM
I have a Constitutional right to have poop dumped in the public waterways!
 
2012-06-17 03:48:15 PM
Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)
 
2012-06-17 03:48:33 PM
Dumping Manure? That's bullshiat!
 
2012-06-17 03:50:41 PM
Since when is flying a plane over a pasture 'spying'? If this is the best propaganda money can buy they better ask for their money back. This is right up there with terrorist fist-jabs and anchor babies.
 
2012-06-17 03:51:01 PM

cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)


You are easily scared, now get back under your covers before the bogeyman gets you.
 
2012-06-17 03:51:19 PM
Using unarmed drones would be the smart way to do it. Why do the conservatives hate efficient government?
 
2012-06-17 03:51:30 PM

cman: When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it


Yup. But when you point this out to some people, they just call you crazy and say 'The Slippery Slope is just a fallacy, man!'.

/same mindset as 'evolution is just a theory!'
 
2012-06-17 03:54:37 PM
The fed and state EPAs have long used this technique to monitor factories. They take pictures of the roofs, and look for new stacks or exhausts cut through the roof compared to previous pictures. Meh.
 
2012-06-17 03:59:34 PM
As long as they don't use them for traffic violations! I am perfectly fine with CHP using dozens of patrol cars, speed traps, helicopters, motorcycles and manned air craft though.

But no drones! Because? Obama?
 
2012-06-17 04:01:34 PM
Came here expecting massive EPA hate.

/leaves confused
 
2012-06-17 04:01:42 PM

cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)


No more than the fact that if the house down the street is broken into, the government will look around to see who broke into it.
 
2012-06-17 04:01:53 PM

ronin7: As long as they don't use them for traffic violations! I am perfectly fine with CHP using dozens of patrol cars, speed traps, helicopters, motorcycles and manned air craft though.

But no drones! Because? Obama?


Yes. Because Obama. As we all know, Obama is going to be president for eternity, and its impossible that an evil republican will ever take office again and be able to abuse drone technology.
 
2012-06-17 04:02:16 PM

cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)


Should the EPA not be inspecting farms?

If they should be inspecting farms and it's cheaper/easier to do so by plane than on foot, why not do it by plane?
 
2012-06-17 04:05:17 PM
The EPA already uses airplanes and IR cameras to check the condition of flares and look for leaks/emissions in chemical plants and refineries. About once a month, we have a Cessna buzz our refinery for the better part of a day. They did it for a whole week before our EPA audit in May.

Harris county also parks a van on the public street and takes air samples. They've helped us find leaks before. Pretty impressive what they can do.
 
2012-06-17 04:08:02 PM
The whole thing probably started over some twit tweeting that he saw a drone while f*cking a sheep and wasted on meth.
Next thing you know Fox picked it up and suddenly its fact.
 
2012-06-17 04:11:38 PM
Domestic use of drones seems to be the latest craze in internet paranoia, but in what way is a drone worse than a piloted plane?
 
2012-06-17 04:11:40 PM
A lot of these cattlemen are grazing public lands for cut-rate rents. Fark them.
 
2012-06-17 04:13:04 PM
who do you think is behind all them weirdo cow mutilations over the last 50 years? drone flyers bring in freshly harvested organs for the Illuminati to serve the Bilderbergs during their baby corpse breakfasts. keeps them sharp during world domination strategy sessions.
 
2012-06-17 04:14:19 PM
Farmers worry about photos of private homes and back yards winding up in government files.

Don't tell them about google earth.
 
2012-06-17 04:20:13 PM

cman: When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat...


We get better drinking water because they catch people who are engaging in illegal, disgusting acts that harm their neighbors? And they catch them in a way that doesn't negatively impact anybody? And is cheap?

What part of "cheap, effective, non-intrusive law enforcement" do you hate the most, exactly?
 
2012-06-17 04:23:29 PM

St_Francis_P: Domestic use of drones seems to be the latest craze in internet paranoia, but in what way is a drone worse than a piloted plane?


I was saying this LAST WEEK, but did anyone pay any attention to me? No! I said "Why is a drone worse than two guys in a plane with a camera?" and did I get any response? No!

I should change my login to "Cassandra".
 
2012-06-17 04:26:11 PM

St_Francis_P: Domestic use of drones seems to be the latest craze in internet paranoia, but in what way is a drone worse than a piloted plane?


Because it's cheaper and therefore much more likely to be used. It's like when surveilence cameras went from costing $10k and needing expensive film processing to costing less than $1k and recording to cheap VHS tapes. Suddenly you went from banks using them when the holdup alarm was pressed to every moment of your life in public being recorded.
 
2012-06-17 04:26:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: St_Francis_P: Domestic use of drones seems to be the latest craze in internet paranoia, but in what way is a drone worse than a piloted plane?

I was saying this LAST WEEK, but did anyone pay any attention to me? No! I said "Why is a drone worse than two guys in a plane with a camera?" and did I get any response? No!

I should change my login to "Cassandra".


Have you rejected a deity's sexual advances recently?
 
2012-06-17 04:29:47 PM

grumpyoldmann: A lot of these cattlemen are grazing public lands for cut-rate rents. Fark them.


Right on!
Bring on higher beef prices.
 
2012-06-17 04:29:54 PM

newton: Farmers worry about photos of private homes and back yards winding up in government files.

Don't tell them about google earth.


But you can't tell if that farmer is farking the sheep from Google Earth. The EPA can see the man's pants around his ankles with the camera fly by.
 
2012-06-17 04:34:43 PM

cantsleep: grumpyoldmann: A lot of these cattlemen are grazing public lands for cut-rate rents. Fark them.

Right on!
Bring on higher beef prices.


We should just allow everyone unrestricted access to the Commons. Surely there could be no Tragedy.
 
2012-06-17 04:41:43 PM

cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?


No.

I don't assume I'm invisible when I am outside. "Using planes to spy on people" is no different than "using people to spy on people" or "simply being looked at by the guy walking down the street".

When the gov't starts looking into my home, then I'll care. I assume that being outside is called "in public" for a reason.
 
2012-06-17 04:48:13 PM

SN1987a goes boom: If farmers have a problem with it then they should stop dumping shiat in municipal water supplies.


Something tells me you know nothing about where farmers in Nebraska live.
 
2012-06-17 04:49:13 PM
This is the longest poop thread in awhile. I wonder how long will it get before it curls back on itself.
 
2012-06-17 04:51:10 PM

St_Francis_P: Gyrfalcon: St_Francis_P: Domestic use of drones seems to be the latest craze in internet paranoia, but in what way is a drone worse than a piloted plane?

I was saying this LAST WEEK, but did anyone pay any attention to me? No! I said "Why is a drone worse than two guys in a plane with a camera?" and did I get any response? No!

I should change my login to "Cassandra".

Have you rejected a deity's sexual advances recently?


Indubitably keeps propositioning me, does that count?
 
2012-06-17 04:51:25 PM
All production facilities of any kind should be required to dispose of all waste in secure methods of environmentally-friendly disposal. Any water around the facilities should have no increase in any contaminate be it antibiotic, nitrogen, phosphorus, fecal coliform bacteria, or other things.
 
2012-06-17 04:59:17 PM

ArcadianRefugee: cman: Does the fact that a government agency is using planes to spy on its own people not scare you?

No.

I don't assume I'm invisible when I am outside. "Using planes to spy on people" is no different than "using people to spy on people" or "simply being looked at by the guy walking down the street".

When the gov't starts looking into my home, then I'll care. I assume that being outside is called "in public" for a reason.


Mom! He's looking at me! Make him stop!
 
2012-06-17 05:09:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: OF COURSE the EPA will deny this. So typical.


Is there any far-fetched right-wing conspiracy theory you don't embrace? Do you enjoy being scared shiatless by nonsense? I think you need imaginary threats to be afraid of, because without the BS, your entire political "philosophy" would fall apart, and you'd have to admit that maybe Democrats aren't the Anti-Christ.

/There. I fed the troll.
 
2012-06-17 05:24:01 PM
"Don't shiat where you eat"
 
2012-06-17 05:25:26 PM

GORDON: SN1987a goes boom: If farmers have a problem with it then they should stop dumping shiat in municipal water supplies.

Something tells me you know nothing about where farmers in Nebraska live.


The proper term would be "Watershed". His sentiment was correct even if his terminology was wrong.
 
2012-06-17 05:26:12 PM
20 years ago people were considered lunatics if they thought they were constantly being monitored.


Today we call people who think they are never monitored the lunatics.
 
2012-06-17 05:33:09 PM
cman: Its a matter of principle. When you give just a little bit of room for the Government to do this kind of shiat, they will take advantage of it (like the PATRIOT act being used on pot dealers)

You must piss yourself every time a police helicopter flies over your house.

I can't imagine living my life afraid of the Black Government CIA Helicopters just waiting to launch their goosestepping stormtroopers at me.
 
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