The hard partying is already starting to show.

Let's see what she looks like in 10 years, asssuming there is anything left of her liver or brain.

DragonNerd: I just don't get it. Why?

If someone's life is so awful that they have to be intoxicated every weekend and most week nights just to get through it, why not take some positive steps to fix it?

Yet, this kind of behavior is what passes for "fun" among a great many people from all social strata. In all seriousness, can some explain it to me?

Seriously? With the economy right now I can hardly blame someone if their life is so awful that they want to be intoxicated every weekend and most nights to stagger through it.

I won't say they necessarily have to to get through it.

But sometimes you get up every day, committed to taking any positive step you can to try to help fix it, over and over again, and you're barely staggering through from one dropped shoe until the next "other shoe" drops. Again.

A bottle is no kind of a friend, but for some people, it's the only one they've got. And it usually knows a bunch of those it can introduce you to for an evening.

Jim Butcher wrote about the detailed once-over all women seem to give each other whenever we meet, and how that once over was very simplified with males to: "Does he have beer?" and "If yes, will he share it with me?"

I almost never drink, I guess because it doesn't do the good things to me that other people seem to be happy about when they drink. I get an effect, just not one I like. No criticism of others intended, it's just not my thing.

But hell yeah I can explain to you why people need to escape from their life just about every weekend and most week nights. The economy sucks. People--very justifiably--feel powerless. A lot of times people feel like no matter what they do, they have no power to make their life suck less and so they just want to escape into a fantasy world and make it go away.

Escapism is suicide-lite. It's turning off the world as a lost cause, but it's not quite so drastic and permanent and it does leave you the opportunity to check in with reality now and again and at least see if there is some chance that now your efforts might have a chance of changing something about your life for the better.

You know, like going to sleep because it's too dark to work. You abandon waking reality to sleep and dreams, because in the morning when you wake, the sun will be up and it will be light enough to work again.

Except that when you abandon reality for large swathes of your life, and check back in later, you don't usually check back in on an improved situation. Perhaps if you were hibernating. An episode of depression might protect you from a dangerous time by encouraging you to hide and be passive and quiet until the danger went away.

Escapism can protect us from very bad situations that way.

But while it may keep us alive, it doesn't necessarily keep us alive as the most whole, healthy, functional people in the world.

I guess the answer to your question is that for a long time alcohol was one of the only psych drugs humanity had. And we learned how to use it. And it was one of the first because it's chemically simple and very easy to make. But it has a lot of side effects and drawbacks. One of which is that people who are self-administering alcohol tend to overdo it, and can get addicted.

It's still the easiest, most common psych drug. So ubiquitous that people who crack open a cold beer don't even have it cross their mind, "Hey, I'm medicating my brain."

And really, they don't care--because even though they're sane enough to not want to actively suicide, they're crazy and depressed enough that passive self-harm and self-destruction is very high on their list in response to a feeling of hopelessness about their own job and life prospects.

Taking positive steps to fix it? Right now there's pretty much a critical mass of disillusioned people. I don't see optimism making a radical comeback any time soon.

Why the long (horse) face?

Julie Cochrane: [...] Right now there's pretty much a critical mass of disillusioned people. I don't see optimism making a radical comeback any time soon.

Hearing this made me depressed enough to open a beer.

Hair of the dog.

Link

Wish I had thought of this....

It's not fun whatching the U.K. openly decline on a daily basis. I seriously feel sorry for those people. From the magna carta, battle of Agincourt, radar, Newton, dicovery of dna to having a newspaper report a story about a young briton strapping herself with a 'banana bag' in order to keep 'partying'. Shame.

For me it's not the alcohol, it's the late night. I get the "hangover" if I'm up that late partying, whether I drink alcohol or not. Hydrating helps, some. But mostly that hangover feeling is going to be absolutely miserable, unavoidable, and just come from my sleep being "off."

Alcohol has always caused the least of my symptoms. And those Sunny D drinks with the B vitamin stuff in them were wonderful for rehydrating the morning after the night before.

My preferred intake was always a drink or three and a whole hell of a lot of coffee. Not to try to "sober up." I just farking love coffee.

Julie Cochrane: For me it's not the alcohol, it's the late night. I get the "hangover" if I'm up that late partying, whether I drink alcohol or not. Hydrating helps, some. But mostly that hangover feeling is going to be absolutely miserable, unavoidable, and just come from my sleep being "off."

Alcohol has always caused the least of my symptoms. And those Sunny D drinks with the B vitamin stuff in them were wonderful for rehydrating the morning after the night before.

My preferred intake was always a drink or three and a whole hell of a lot of coffee. Not to try to "sober up." I just farking love coffee.

The best cure for hangovers is alcohol. Drink vodka, leaves less of an oder(sp? On a mobile). If you're working, make short conversations. "Good morning, Julie". Reply "Good morning". Don't make coversation. These sober bastards will know whats up if you try to act 'normal'.

Ween yourself. Take two swigs to get out of bed then one swig every two hours. You might see Jesus or that face that flashes off the stove hood in the 'exorcist' every fifteen seconds, but dont worry, you'll be okay.

Julie Cochrane: DragonNerd: I just don't get it. Why?

If someone's life is so awful that they have to be intoxicated every weekend and most week nights just to get through it, why not take some positive steps to fix it?

Yet, this kind of behavior is what passes for "fun" among a great many people from all social strata. In all seriousness, can some explain it to me?

Seriously? With the economy right now I can hardly blame someone if their life is so awful that they want to be intoxicated every weekend and most nights to stagger through it....etc (post above)

That is something I can understand entirely, escapism, numbing yourself in order to cope. Love your description of it being "suicide lite". I have been suicidal, I can understand that, and I myself depend on escapism in other forms in order to cope so all that makes perfect sense.

But most people who do copious amounts of alcohol or use 'recreational' drugs regularly, always seem to say, as Girion47 did, that is is not "because life is awful, it's because it enhances how you enjoy life." That is the concept I cannot grasp. Life is good, lets screw with my brain, in order to act like an absolute idiot for a night and then feel dreadful the next day, bonus points for having done something I regret once I have sobered up. Is it me not getting the right sort of mind altering response that makes me not see the fun in that? Or does the whole escapism thing necessitate a certain amount of self denial, saying to oneself "I am doing this because it is fun" as opposed to admitting life really is so farked up that this type of escapism is the only way I can deal with it?

Used to do that in the Army to make morning PT after big drunky nights. Didn't cost anything... "training materials" for the combat medic guys.

FormlessOne: Why are you discouraging this? Someone this stupid should be encouraged, nay, pressed, to continue her habits. She'll die that much faster, convinced that she's "just fine" even as she puts her liver through interval training.

Encouraging stupid people to kill themselves, especially through activities they see as pleasurable, should be a national friggin' pastime.

That would have been an awesome suggestion before doctors were encouraged to keep terminally ill patients alive and on the billing teat as long as possible, with iron lungs if necessary... Today it's not terribly uncommon to bring homeless bums found frozen on the sidewalk after alcohol poisoning in to die in the ICU, hoping the state will pick up the tab, while someone who isn't already both feet in the grave has to wait another hour or two for him to kick the bucket.

Nidiot: But most people who do copious amounts of alcohol or use 'recreational' drugs regularly, always seem to say, as Girion47 did, that is is not "because life is awful, it's because it enhances how you enjoy life." That is the concept I cannot grasp. Life is good, lets screw with my brain, in order to act like an absolute idiot for a night and then feel dreadful the next day, bonus points for having done something I regret once I have sobered up. Is it me not getting the right sort of mind altering response that makes me not see the fun in that? Or does the whole escapism thing necessitate a certain amount of self denial, saying to oneself "I am doing this because it is fun" as opposed to admitting life really is so farked up that this type of escapism is the only way I can deal with it?

Most people are a lot more angry, scared, and trapped than they're willing to admit when they're sober. When they're sober, the only way to stay sane is to construct a mental paradigm where you're a good person on the right path in life. Admitting that you aren't invites depression and suicide. But deep down most people really believe that they aren't good or aren't on the right path and can't do anything about it, and drinking both helps ignore that and helps bring out their true selves. They can use alcohol as an excuse to hide behind when they get angry, get flirty, lose their balance, sleep around, because they were raised up to believe those were bad or sinful behavior, but the reality is that they want it all so badly and just need an excuse to cut loose. No one likes having to be perfect.

When people break down the constructs, they don't need to drink as much. When they don't, they end up stepford wives and company men.

Then there are those who just don't know what else to do with themselves, and mask insecurity by downing shots. They're the ones apologizing for being so stupid the other night, because their mental blocks are so powerful that nothing can break them down for a few minutes but total incapacitation. And then you see people drinking just because they assume they should be drinking, mostly younger people who have yet to develop an identity of their own and live through emulating celebrities.

Bars and clubs offer a giant cross-section of humanity's psychological problems. I'm not the nerd who goes just to observe, but it's hard not to start categorizing and eventually stereotyping people over time.

Legalizing weed and blow wouldn't help these people, but it wouldn't hurt them either. People abuse because there are giant holes in their lives, and there will always be something to abuse, something to fixate on and obsess over, drugs just make it happen faster.

foxyshadis: post above

I like that answer, it makes sense, thank you for taking the time to write it.

Nidiot: Julie Cochrane: DragonNerd: I just don't get it. Why?

If someone's life is so awful that they have to be intoxicated every weekend and most week nights just to get through it, why not take some positive steps to fix it?

Yet, this kind of behavior is what passes for "fun" among a great many people from all social strata. In all seriousness, can some explain it to me?

Seriously? With the economy right now I can hardly blame someone if their life is so awful that they want to be intoxicated every weekend and most nights to stagger through it....etc (post above)

That is something I can understand entirely, escapism, numbing yourself in order to cope. Love your description of it being "suicide lite". I have been suicidal, I can understand that, and I myself depend on escapism in other forms in order to cope so all that makes perfect sense.

But most people who do copious amounts of alcohol or use 'recreational' drugs regularly, always seem to say, as Girion47 did, that is is not "because life is awful, it's because it enhances how you enjoy life." That is the concept I cannot grasp. Life is good, lets screw with my brain, in order to act like an absolute idiot for a night and then feel dreadful the next day, bonus points for having done something I regret once I have sobered up. Is it me not getting the right sort of mind altering response that makes me not see the fun in that? Or does the whole escapism thing necessitate a certain amount of self denial, saying to oneself "I am doing this because it is fun" as opposed to admitting life really is so farked up that this type of escapism is the only way I can deal with it?

By the time they're at "copious amounts" regularly, they're no longer screwing up a normal brain to go slumming in crazy land for an evening or a weekend. They have now taken out a long term lease on an apartment and registered with the town as permanent residents--exit papers required. They're just in denial about it.

What I mean by that somewhat obscure statement is that those folks are so disconnected from a day to day normal, healthy sober mood that they don't have a mental baseline reference anymore. There's farked up, hung over from being farked up, and recovered from being hung over enough to go out and get farked up again.

They no longer have any reference for what their "normal life" is, because they don't have one.

Nidiot: Julie Cochrane: DragonNerd: I just don't get it. Why?

If someone's life is so awful that they have to be intoxicated every weekend and most week nights just to get through it, why not take some positive steps to fix it?

Yet, this kind of behavior is what passes for "fun" among a great many people from all social strata. In all seriousness, can some explain it to me?

Seriously? With the economy right now I can hardly blame someone if their life is so awful that they want to be intoxicated every weekend and most nights to stagger through it....etc (post above)

That is something I can understand entirely, escapism, numbing yourself in order to cope. Love your description of it being "suicide lite". I have been suicidal, I can understand that, and I myself depend on escapism in other forms in order to cope so all that makes perfect sense.

But most people who do copious amounts of alcohol or use 'recreational' drugs regularly, always seem to say, as Girion47 did, that is is not "because life is awful, it's because it enhances how you enjoy life." That is the concept I cannot grasp. Life is good, lets screw with my brain, in order to act like an absolute idiot for a night and then feel dreadful the next day, bonus points for having done something I regret once I have sobered up. Is it me not getting the right sort of mind altering response that makes me not see the fun in that? Or does the whole escapism thing necessitate a certain amount of self denial, saying to oneself "I am doing this because it is fun" as opposed to admitting life really is so farked up that this type of escapism is the only way I can deal with it?

It isn't escapism for me. It's just fun, I can't explain why, but it is. Life is good, I don't need alcohol, but I do enjoy it, it comes in a large number of interesting and if mixed properly, complex flavors. Beer and bourbon, for me, is a constant flavor analysis that just happens to come with a buzz. I like to pour myself a Gibson during Mad Men because it's a well balanced, clean, cocktail from that era. Beer pong is fun because it's like a carnie game, sure you could play with just juice or water, but there isn't a sort of punishment that comes from having to drink bad beer, which ups the competition. Shots can be good as well because people bond over those, body shots, for example, bring people closer to each other. California Kings is a hilarious game, especially if everyone is drinking wildly different flavors, makes that final King that much scarier to draw.

As for feeling terrible the next day, that's all on you, if you keep properly hydrated before falling asleep, you'll wake up just fine, or if you just pass out from high proof(Everclear) liquor early on, you'll wake up fine as well.

Your negative assessment seems to come from people getting so drunk they black out, I don't think they intend that, at least I never do. The art of drinking is to reach a level and maintain, the problem is people in a social setting like to have a cup in their hand to use for filling in pauses in conversation. Or sometimes you get people showing off trying to prove they can consume more poison than someone else, other times you get drinks that are stronger than the flavor would lead one to believe. Take this beer for example. It's an amazing blonde ale, slightly sweet and perfectly carbonated. You could easily guzzle this without realizing the ABV is 10%.

I guess what I don't understand is why you would negatively judge someone for drinking for fun, or even look for a mental illness or underlying issue, sometimes doing something for fun, is because you actually enjoy doing it.

Lionel Mandrake: cman: Nabb1: That's a hard looking 24. Like Lindsey Lohan hard.


Subby got confused.


They were talking about Rihanna, who is 24, whereas the lady in the picture at the top is 32

That's a hard looking 32.

Keith Richards went blonde?

Nidiot: DragonNerd: I just don't get it. Why?

If someone's life is so awful that they have to be intoxicated every weekend and most week nights just to get through it, why not take some positive steps to fix it?

Yet, this kind of behavior is what passes for "fun" among a great many people from all social strata. In all seriousness, can some explain it to me?

I'm with you.

Ambivalence: Someone explain this to me, becuase I don't get it. How is getting stupid drunk, to the point of vomiting and losing control of basic motor functions....FUN???


Yep, seems like the opposite of fun to me.

Maybe there is something wrong with my brain, in the same way that I can't find any sense of religious faith either. There is supposedly part of the brain that is responsible for religiosity, I'm missing that and the bit that finds a sense of fun in stupid and illness inducing behaviour.

I'm the same way with religion too. Never believed the myths, even as a young child. Yet I bet if you asked the, ahem, fine young women in Abox's "Triple Duck" photo if they believe in a god, afterlife, etc., they would certainly say that they do.

It reminds me of "Dancing Through Life" in Wicked, which I just saw with my wife. "Stop studying strife and learn to live the unexamined life."

I'm calling BS on her age, she's in her late 20s/early 30s

Julie Cochrane: DragonNerd: I just don't get it. Why?

If someone's life is so awful that they have to be intoxicated every weekend and most week nights just to get through it, why not take some positive steps to fix it?

Yet, this kind of behavior is what passes for "fun" among a great many people from all social strata. In all seriousness, can some explain it to me?

Seriously? With the economy right now I can hardly blame someone if their life is so awful that they want to be intoxicated every weekend and most nights to stagger through it.

I won't say they necessarily have to to get through it.

But sometimes you get up every day, committed to taking any positive step you can to try to help fix it, over and over again, and you're barely staggering through from one dropped shoe until the next "other shoe" drops. Again.

A bottle is no kind of a friend, but for some people, it's the only one they've got. And it usually knows a bunch of those it can introduce you to for an evening.

Jim Butcher wrote about the detailed once-over all women seem to give each other whenever we meet, and how that once over was very simplified with males to: "Does he have beer?" and "If yes, will he share it with me?"

I almost never drink, I guess because it doesn't do the good things to me that other people seem to be happy about when they drink. I get an effect, just not one I like. No criticism of others intended, it's just not my thing.

But hell yeah I can explain to you why people need to escape from their life just about every weekend and most week nights. The economy sucks. People--very justifiably--feel powerless. A lot of times people feel like no matter what they do, they have no power to make their life suck less and so they just want to escape into a fantasy world and make it go away.

Escapism is suicide-lite. It's turning off the world as a lost cause, but it's not quite so drastic and permanent and it does leave you the opportunity to check in with reality now and again and at least se ...

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to write such an insightful and thoughtful response.

I hear you. I know there is desperation and a sense of powerlessness out there. We could say that the "party culture" exemplified by the woman featured in TFA is one manifestation of this. The apparent resurgence of religious belief around the world is another manifestation. Both are forms of escapism. Both just leave me shaking my head, but I suppose that's because I have an unusually rational, intellectual, and driven personality.

It seems so obvious to me. People need actually wake up, put down the bottle, the joint, the pills, forget the fairy tales about gods and the afterlife, turn off the TV, get off Fark ;) and Facebook, stop worrying so much about finding their next partner for intoxicated sex, stop breeding more idiots, and start thinking about what they can do first individually and then collectively to make the world a better place.

So what changes mindsets? We need a new Renaissance.

Coincidentally, I just ran into this article on the "Geek" tab: Why Highly Intelligent People Fail at the Most Important Things in Life.

In an attempt to tie it together, it seems Ms. "IV Hang-over Drip", the "Triple Ducks," frat boys, 'hood rats, and the like are essentially engaging in a modernized forms of instinctive behavior: attracting mates, bonding with other members of the "tribe," claiming territory, etc.

Wow! It seems innate differences in intelligence and environmental differences in upbringing and education are almost exponential in their effects. From my perspective, these "normal" (?) people (whether young and foolish like most of these examples or older and still foolish) and they are almost like a different species. And in my rare encounters with "normal" people, they see me as almost an alien creature.

Quick anecdote: I recently worked with a guy in his mid 40's. He was in good shape, well-dressed, nice hair, friendly, charismatic, etc. He was apparently considered "eye candy" and an object of passing lust by many of my female colleagues. To me, he was just another woefully dumb project manager. In an attempt to be sociable with me, he asked me what I do on my time-off. I explained that I like to read, watch a few TV shows (mid- to high-brow stuff: The Universe, Through the Wormhole, NOVA, CSI, Criminal Minds, etc., no Survivor or American Idol-type junk), read some more, play computer games, work out, go shooting, go hiking, read a little more, go backpacking, etc. He looked bewildered and confused. Having learned the social script some time ago, I asked what he liked to do in his time-off. He said that he liked to go to the beach and drink. If I think about it, we *must* have overlapped on working out because he was in good shape, but an awkward silence fell over the conversation because I think we both felt like we were almost from two different species.

DragonNerd: Coincidentally, I just ran into this article on the "Geek" tab: Why Highly Intelligent People Fail at the Most Important Things in Life.

In an attempt to tie it together, it seems Ms. "IV Hang-over Drip", the "Triple Ducks," frat boys, 'hood rats, and the like are essentially engaging in a modernized forms of instinctive behavior: attracting mates, bonding with other members of the "tribe," claiming territory, etc.

Wow! It seems innate differences in intelligence and environmental differences in upbringing and education are almost exponential in their effects. From my perspective, these "normal" (?) people (whether young and foolish like most of these examples or older and still foolish) and they are almost like a different species. And in my rare encounters with "normal" people, they see me as almost an alien creature.

Quick anecdote: I recently worked with a guy in his mid 40's. He was in good shape, well-dressed, nice hair, friendly, charismatic, etc. He was apparently considered "eye candy" and an object of passing lust by many of my female colleagues. To me, he was just another woefully dumb project manager. In an attempt to be sociable with me, he asked me what I do on my time-off. I explained that I like to read, watch a few TV shows (mid- to high-brow stuff: The Universe, Through the Wormhole, NOVA, CSI, Criminal Minds, etc., no Survivor or American Idol-type junk), read some more, play computer games, work out, go shooting, go hiking, read a little more, go backpacking, etc. He looked bewildered and confused. Having learned the social script some time ago, I asked what he liked to do in his time-off. He said that he liked to go to the beach and drink. If I think about it, we *must* have overlapped on working out because he was in good shape, but an awkward silence fell over the conversation because I think we both felt like we were almost from two different species.

Pretentious much? Just because other people don't do what you do, doesn't make you superior to them. I hike, go to festivals, ren-fairs, play complex board games, computer games, console games, drink, swim, run, do obstacle courses, travel, etc...

Maybe you'd enjoy life more if you didn't try to hold yourself above others. Drinking may help with that, it provides social lube for some people, although I feel you might be the type of drunk that starts bragging and one upping all the other guys around him.

Girion47: Girion47: Pretentious much? Just because other people don't do what you do, doesn't make you superior to them. I hike, go to festivals, ren-fairs, play complex board games, computer games, console games, drink, swim, run, do obstacle courses, travel, etc...

Maybe you'd enjoy life more if you didn't try to hold yourself above others. Drinking may help with that, it provides social lube for some people, although I feel you might be the type of drunk that starts bragging and one upping all the other guys around him.

Not trying to be pretentious at all, just honest. I know this is Fark and snarkiness is de rigueur, but there is a lot of insightful discussion here. And you listed a bunch of things, both physical and mental/intellectual, that you like to do, not just drinking. That's much different than the woman in TFA and people like here.

Also, FWIW, I don't do the posturing thing. Never really have as far as I remember and I don't expect I ever will. I'm happily married, have a great kid (a bit of an odd duck, though, much like me), and have a good job. The people whose opinions about me matter are my wife, my son, and my boss. My challenges, like wanting to do an adventure/obstacle race (something you mentioned), are to myself, not to others. In that example, my goal would simply be to finish.

That's a hard 48.

DragonNerd: It seems so obvious to me. People need actually wake up, put down the bottle, the joint, the pills, forget the fairy tales about gods and the afterlife, turn off the TV, get off Fark ;) and Facebook, stop worrying so much about finding their next partner for intoxicated sex, stop breeding more idiots, and start thinking about what they can do first individually and then collectively to make the world a better place.

So what changes mindsets? We need a new Renaissance.

First, you have to have a mind.

By that I mean you have to have brain that works right. It seems obvious to you because you are apparently blessed with a brain that is healthy and works properly.

That's fantastic, but it also seems like your downside to that is that you lack a frame of reference for what it's like for someone to have a brain that's broken in all the partial degrees of damage from door dings to massive dents to full on junked that leave you outside of an institution, maybe walking around and functioning, but "not quite right."

The chick in TFA can't just put down the bottle. She's a functioning alcoholic. She's got a lot more than door dings separating her brain from healthy.

Nobody with a little information and half an ounce of sane wants me to "put down the pills." LOL (I know you didn't mean me.) If I "put down the pills" it just wouldn't be pretty. I would figure on being hospitalized within 72 hours at the outside. My brain needs those particular pills, and regular doctor's supervision and tweaking, to maintain the not-broken functioning.

I guess what you are really missing is that to an extent you're the exception, not the rule.

The vast majority of people are the walking wounded. They don't actually have a mental illness like I or some other people do. Most people don't have a substance abuse problem. But most people are walking around with considerably more than "door ding" level issues in their brain functioning.

Mostly, they're doing good to make it through the week, recharge on the weekends, get up on Monday morning, and do it again.

And if religion is what it takes to make it so they can do that, then religion is how they do that. People have these things they cling to that help them make it through the week.

How normal people make it through the week---that's something where I'm just not the person to ask. I've never been normal. I sometimes have to struggle to make it through the next couple of hours.

All I can tell you is that if it looks obvious to you--it's because you're missing something. And what you're missing is, your brain isn't broken. You're surrounded by people whose brains are broken. Putting down whatever it is they're doing that is different from what you're doing is not going to make their broken brains become suddenly like your unbroken one.

It doesn't work that way.

@DragonNerd -- I don't mean everyone around you is broken, I just mean a whole lot of people are, and for the people who are, stopping doing whatever it is they're doing isn't going to "fix" them.

It might get a distraction out of the way to give them time to pursue treatment for the broken part of their brain, but just stopping will not, in and of itself, fix the broken--if someone's brain is broken.

Meh, who knows how old she really is, you white folk age horribly.

Sync9: fta:

"I suffer badly after drinking and normally my hangovers last 24 hours, with headaches, dizziness and heavy eyes often lasting all day.

"No matter what I try, I can never shift them so would try anything new that claimed to help rehydrate the body after a heavy night."

.... No matter what you try? Have you tried not being an alcoholic lush who gets wasted all the time? It's what I do and surprisingly I never have hangovers. It's also a lot cheaper because not only do I save the money for the drip, I save the money on extremely overpriced beer or drinks and I never have to explain my drunken actions to people the next day with my tail between my legs.



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SDRR: Sync9: fta:

"I suffer badly after drinking and normally my hangovers last 24 hours, with headaches, dizziness and heavy eyes often lasting all day.

"No matter what I try, I can never shift them so would try anything new that claimed to help rehydrate the body after a heavy night."

.... No matter what you try? Have you tried not being an alcoholic lush who gets wasted all the time? It's what I do and surprisingly I never have hangovers. It's also a lot cheaper because not only do I save the money for the drip, I save the money on extremely overpriced beer or drinks and I never have to explain my drunken actions to people the next day with my tail between my legs.

I bet you're a blast at parties.

Awe, damn. Must read through comments first...

Girion47: I guess what I don't understand is why you would negatively judge someone for drinking for fun, or even look for a mental illness or underlying issue, sometimes doing something for fun, is because you actually enjoy doing it.

I think the key here is "copious amounts" of alcohol. When you're pouring "copious amounts" of any function-impairing drug into your brain on a regular basis, there is a mental illness or underlying issue.

Doctors have a saying, "The dose makes the poison."

If someone stops in the donut shop on their way in to work every morning and eats a donut and has a cup of coffee, I might conclude that that person enjoys donuts. Same if they have an extra donut or skip a day every now and then.

If someone stops in the donut shop on their way in to work every morning and eats a half dozen donuts or more, themselves, and washes them down with copious amounts of coffee, maybe sometimes skips a week or two just to show they can, frequently goes without missing a day, sometimes downs a dozen donuts at a sitting, has been known to miss work because they were puking their guts out from eating too many donuts.... That person has a donut problem.

If someone stops at the donut shop every morning and eats copious amounts of donuts and washes them down with copious amounts of coffee, I'm going to suspect that that person has a donut problem or even an underlying mental health issue.

It's the "copious amounts" of something where "copious amounts" of it aren't good for you where there's an issue.

Now, if anyone wants to help me find a nice, straight, single, middle-aged guy in the Roanoke area who's a decent conversationalist, fairly geeky, and up for copious amounts of recreational sex (and not a serial killer or anything)---then we can talk about whether "copiousness" always indicates a red flag situation, or not. :-) Perhaps over a beer. :-) Or coffee. :-)

The problem with not sticking your dick in crazy, or not letting crazy fluff your muff, is that "crazy" frequently happens these days based on whether you get treatment or not and what chemicals you add or don't add to your body.

"Crazy" in the twenty-first century is like hair color. It matters less what color you were born with and more what color you really have based on which chemicals and treatments you habitually apply to your head.

Julie Cochrane: lots of words

Everything in moderation. I've cut down to 1 cup of coffee a day, maybe 2. I love grabbing a doughnut on the way into work on the weekends, but I only let myself do it once in a while. Even recreational bumpin' uglies. My legs have been killing me this week, I need a day off.

Sorry I can't help you out, but felt I needed to respond if for nothing else than to point out that "fluff your muff" is the best thing I've heard in a long time.