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(Telegraph)   Sad: Cover girl pinup dies at 91. Hero: Oh, and she also flew Spitfires, Mustangs and Hurricanes during WWII   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 78
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2012-06-17 02:59:25 PM
Cool story. Not a combat pilot, seems she flew them to the fighting areas.
 
2012-06-17 03:01:02 PM
The only way dying at 91 is sad is if she was driving through a farmers market at the time.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-06-17 03:01:56 PM
Actually, I think she was pretty hot ...

i.telegraph.co.uk

/I would have bought her a donut before slamming the door as she left....
//But that's just me
 
2012-06-17 03:04:27 PM

Alphax: Cool story. Not a combat pilot, seems she flew them to the fighting areas.


IIRC, there were hundreds, if not thousands of women pilots who did this. I think they mostly did test flights and flew some of them across the Atlantic because it was faster than putting them on carriers or other ships.
 
2012-06-17 03:04:37 PM

Pud: Actually, I think she was pretty hot ...

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 220x293]

/I would have bought her a donut before slamming the door as she left....
//But that's just me


Yeah, back in the day, she'd make me de Popp
 
2012-06-17 03:04:45 PM
Dunlop do Popp?

Should've chosen her parents more carefully...
 
2012-06-17 03:04:47 PM
Hero tag for this? Subby uses the hero tag too much.
 
2012-06-17 03:06:51 PM

ontariolightning: Hero tag for this? Subby uses the hero tag too much.


Everyone who serves in a military capacity is a hero.
Unless it's the wrong side, then they are villains.
 
2012-06-17 03:07:50 PM

opiumpoopy: Dunlop do Popp?

Should've chosen her parents husband more carefully...


FTFY

/who put the popp in the dunlop de popp de popp
 
2012-06-17 03:16:34 PM
Did she have a painting of herself on her plane?
 
2012-06-17 03:17:42 PM

Begoggle: ontariolightning: Hero tag for this? Subby uses the hero tag too much.

Everyone who serves in a military capacity is a hero.
Unless it's the wrong side, then they are villains.


Nah, see, the heroes are people defending their country when it is invaded by
foreign militaries, a hero is not someone who fights for a country that is invading countries for their natural resources.
 
2012-06-17 03:17:53 PM

Alphax: Cool story. Not a combat pilot, seems she flew them to the fighting areas.


Yup, but given the culture at the time it's pretty remarkable that they let women do even that much. As the article noted, she would have liked to have been a combat pilot, but back then that sort of thing just wasn't done.

/bet she would have kicked ass
 
2012-06-17 03:19:11 PM

leevis: Alphax: Cool story. Not a combat pilot, seems she flew them to the fighting areas.

IIRC, there were hundreds, if not thousands of women pilots who did this. I think they mostly did test flights and flew some of them across the Atlantic because it was faster than putting them on carriers or other ships.


There was a character doing such ferrying flights in the 'Red Storm Rising' novel, transporting an F-15, when she stumbled over some homebound Soviet Badger bombers and got to shoot a few down.
 
2012-06-17 03:20:08 PM
Oh, and she also flew Spitfires, Mustangs and Hurricanes during WWII

This is like saying a valet drove Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Aston Martins
 
2012-06-17 03:20:50 PM
Her elbows are too sharp, she needs to gain 138 pounds and then maybe I'll throw it at her
 
2012-06-17 03:23:50 PM
She looks like the kind of gal that will take you up in her plane, then make you give her road head at 20,000 feet. Kinda violate you, but I'm fine with that, I like strong women.
 
2012-06-17 03:25:42 PM
During a holiday in England in 1936 she took flying lessons and then, when she returned to Argentina, backdated her year of birth in order that she could legally continue her flight training. During the First World War, her father had travelled to England to join the Army, and with the outbreak of the Second, Maureen saw no reason why she should not follow his example. She travelled to England with her sister, who would work for the BBC.

That's pretty badass.

/rip pilot lady
 
2012-06-17 03:26:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, and she also flew Spitfires, Mustangs and Hurricanes during WWII

This is like saying a valet drove Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Aston Martins


Such a short thread and so much derp, but I congratulate you Lionel, for the derpiest statement so far.
 
2012-06-17 03:29:43 PM
Sad? She was 91 years old. We should all be so lucky.
 
2012-06-17 03:29:50 PM

LeroyBourne: She looks like the kind of gal that will take you up in her plane, then make you give her road head at 20,000 feet. Kinda violate you, but I'm fine with that, I like strong women.


Wouldn't it be like, air head or something? Cloud head?
 
2012-06-17 03:30:11 PM

Lionel Mandrake: This is like saying a valet drove Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Aston Martins


Yes, the hundreds of women who worked as test pilots and flew fighters across the Atlantic ocean are just like valets.

Jackass.
 
2012-06-17 03:31:05 PM
A few years ago I had the great pleasure of working with Ann Welch, who was one of the leaders of the Air Transport Auxiliary. She was a pioneer glider pilot (many ATA pilots came from gliding) and, amongst other things, wrote most of the briefing cards for delivery pilots. These contained all the information, on two side of card, you needed to fly an aircraft you had never seen before: how to raise and lower the undercarriage, what manifold vacuum and rpm to use in the climb, cruise and descent, how to turn on the oxygen, that sort of thing.

Most RAF crews would only have flown fighters or bombers, and probably just a few types of each. The ATA people flew everything - Mrs Welch is the only person I have ever met who could, from deep personal experience, compare the flying characteristics of a Wellingon, a Halifax, a Spitfire, a Mosquito, a Hurricane ... her favourite was the Spitfire. And, for any other gliding types out there, her favourite glider was the Schleicher Ka8B.

Her husband, by the way, was Lorne Welch, who passed a resourceful few months while staying in a German Castle by designing and building the Colditz Cock.
 
2012-06-17 03:31:28 PM
FTFA: 'Many, including Maureen Dunlop, wished that they could have flown in combat, but this was considered a step too far and was forbidden. "I thought it was the only fair thing," she remarked. "Why should only men be killed?"'

What a good person. Reading that seriously brought a tear to my eye.

Seriously, can you answer her very old question? If there are in fact combat roles that women can perform and that they will voluntarily perform, why not?
 
2012-06-17 03:32:09 PM
My Gramma did that over here as a WASP (Women's Auxiliary Service Pilot) She was the best pilot in the family and gave lessons to any of her grandkids who wanted them. The best time in my life was her chewing me out for some perceived fault in a preflight check. Best time in her life, or so she said, was signing off on our license applications. And flying P-51s. She loved P-51s.

Clear skies to you, Granny. Give'em hell.
 
2012-06-17 03:34:12 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LeroyBourne: She looks like the kind of gal that will take you up in her plane, then make you give her road head at 20,000 feet. Kinda violate you, but I'm fine with that, I like strong women.

Wouldn't it be like, air head or something? Cloud head?


I've never gotten any Air Head, but I've known a few...
 
2012-06-17 03:34:19 PM

casual disregard: FTFA: 'Many, including Maureen Dunlop, wished that they could have flown in combat, but this was considered a step too far and was forbidden. "I thought it was the only fair thing," she remarked. "Why should only men be killed?"'

What a good person. Reading that seriously brought a tear to my eye.

Seriously, can you answer her very old question? If there are in fact combat roles that women can perform and that they will voluntarily perform, why not?


Less vagina for the men who survive the war
 
2012-06-17 03:37:59 PM
So....pinup thread?

I would very much like to post pics, but I'm at work. That probably would not be a good idea. Maybe later.
 
2012-06-17 03:38:35 PM
Mmmm, hot ATA pilots...

3.bp.blogspot.com

/Joy Lofthouse
 
2012-06-17 03:40:44 PM
pussy galore ?
 
2012-06-17 03:42:02 PM
I'd still hit it.
 
2012-06-17 03:45:33 PM
They sit in nursing homes now, but their generation kicked some serious ass - men and women. They saved the world from megalomaniacs and then came home and raised their kids.

The "celebutards" of today could not hold their jockstrap. RIP to all who have passed and to those still with us, a monumental "thank you".

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-06-17 03:48:41 PM

teto85: My Gramma did that over here as a WASP (Women's Auxiliary Service Pilot) She was the best pilot in the family and gave lessons to any of her grandkids who wanted them. The best time in my life was her chewing me out for some perceived fault in a preflight check. Best time in her life, or so she said, was signing off on our license applications. And flying P-51s. She loved P-51s.

Clear skies to you, Granny. Give'em hell.


When I was in college, my primary flight instructor was a WASP. During the war, during a span of 18 months, she flew 18 types of military aircraft as pilot in command including the A-24, P-39, P-40, P-47, P-51, C-47, A-20, B-25, P-38 and P-61. She was also an Olympic swimmer (1932), and a Powder Puff Derby winner.

She must've been in her 60s when she was teaching me, and still she probably flew at least 20 hours a week while running the college flight school.

Truly inspirational.
 
2012-06-17 03:49:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LeroyBourne: She looks like the kind of gal that will take you up in her plane, then make you give her road head at 20,000 feet. Kinda violate you, but I'm fine with that, I like strong women.

Wouldn't it be like, air head or something? Cloud head?


I like cloud head. Just think if there was bad turbulence. That could be good or horribly bad.
 
2012-06-17 03:50:11 PM
Pretty badass chick.
Also hot.
Would hit (if it were 1944).
 
2012-06-17 03:50:29 PM

ontariolightning: Hero tag for this? Subby uses the hero tag too much.

From the article:

(She) flew 38 different types of aircraft, among them the Spitfire, Mustang, Typhoon and the Wellington bomber. However, when asked which her favourite was, she immediately responded: "The Mosquito".


She almost deserves a hero tag just for that, IMO. And she deserves one for breaking the rules in order to serve:

During a holiday in England in 1936 she took flying lessons and then, when she returned to Argentina, backdated her year of birth in order that she could legally continue her flight training. During the First World War, her father had travelled to England to join the Army, and with the outbreak of the Second, Maureen saw no reason why she should not follow his example.

Regarding wanting to fly in combat, but not being allowed to: "I thought it was the only fair thing," she remarked. "Why should only men be killed?"

Indeed. Tip of the bra cup to you, madam. (Well, I don't wear hats!)
 
2012-06-17 03:53:41 PM

casual disregard: FTFA: 'Many, including Maureen Dunlop, wished that they could have flown in combat, but this was considered a step too far and was forbidden. "I thought it was the only fair thing," she remarked. "Why should only men be killed?"'

What a good person. Reading that seriously brought a tear to my eye.

Seriously, can you answer her very old question? If there are in fact combat roles that women can perform and that they will voluntarily perform, why not?


I have no problems taking orders from a woman, learning from female professors, etc. And I would follow a female officer or NCO up/over/into [insert military cliche here]. Guard duty at a base, MP duty, flight patrols, etc., I'm cool with.

But if I I have a say in it, then they don't go into or over enemy territory. I acknowledge that is sexist. But values are where feelings & instincts collide with rationale analysis. In my worldview, the purpose of men is to protect moms and children.

Which wouldn't be so bad as a system if the main danger wasn't from other men preying on them. Or stupid men confusing protection from others with trying to control them.

/mea culpa
//but I'm trying to do better
///why yes, I'm a dad & an uncle who takes himself too seriously, how did you know?
 
2012-06-17 03:55:11 PM

ontariolightning: Begoggle: ontariolightning: Hero tag for this? Subby uses the hero tag too much.

Everyone who serves in a military capacity is a hero.
Unless it's the wrong side, then they are villains.

Nah, see, the heroes are people defending their country when it is invaded by
foreign militaries, a hero is not someone who fights for a country that is invading countries for their natural resources.


I know you are just trolling, but you do realize that by your definition, this lady qualifies for the Hero tag, don't you?
 
2012-06-17 03:55:33 PM

RoyBatty: teto85: My Gramma did that over here as a WASP (Women's Auxiliary Service Pilot) She was the best pilot in the family and gave lessons to any of her grandkids who wanted them. The best time in my life was her chewing me out for some perceived fault in a preflight check. Best time in her life, or so she said, was signing off on our license applications. And flying P-51s. She loved P-51s.

Clear skies to you, Granny. Give'em hell.

When I was in college, my primary flight instructor was a WASP. During the war, during a span of 18 months, she flew 18 types of military aircraft as pilot in command including the A-24, P-39, P-40, P-47, P-51, C-47, A-20, B-25, P-38 and P-61. She was also an Olympic swimmer (1932), and a Powder Puff Derby winner.

She must've been in her 60s when she was teaching me, and still she probably flew at least 20 hours a week while running the college flight school.

Truly inspirational.


Two really cool stories. Awesome.
 
2012-06-17 03:55:56 PM

Spanky McStupid: They sit in nursing homes now, but their generation kicked some serious ass - men and women. They saved the world from megalomaniacs and then came home and raised their kids.

The "celebutards" of today could not hold their jockstrap. RIP to all who have passed and to those still with us, a monumental "thank you".


Well said.

*smart*
 
2012-06-17 03:57:24 PM
Let's get it started.
realityfreaks.tv
 
2012-06-17 04:04:57 PM
More appropriate.
www.psaudio.com
swittersb.files.wordpress.com
historylink101.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
lanceunemode.files.wordpress.com
thegiguys.webs.com
northstargallery.com
freshbump.com
farm4.static.flickr.com

I should GBTW.
 
2012-06-17 04:10:05 PM
This seems appropriate even though the service branch is not correct:
crow202.org
 
2012-06-17 04:15:47 PM
An article about a pinup chick and not one picture. Awesome.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-06-17 04:22:52 PM

Benjimin_Dover: An article about a pinup chick and not one picture. Awesome.


Look up one notch. ...
 
2012-06-17 04:24:43 PM

casual disregard: FTFA: 'Many, including Maureen Dunlop, wished that they could have flown in combat, but this was considered a step too far and was forbidden. "I thought it was the only fair thing," she remarked. "Why should only men be killed?"'

What a good person. Reading that seriously brought a tear to my eye.

Seriously, can you answer her very old question? If there are in fact combat roles that women can perform and that they will voluntarily perform, why not?


www.donauschwaben-usa.org

scrapetv.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-17 04:25:06 PM
farm4.static.flickr.com
Actually flew on this one.
 
2012-06-17 04:30:15 PM

fanuvtoons: casual disregard: FTFA: 'Many, including Maureen Dunlop, wished that they could have flown in combat, but this was considered a step too far and was forbidden. "I thought it was the only fair thing," she remarked. "Why should only men be killed?"'

What a good person. Reading that seriously brought a tear to my eye.

Seriously, can you answer her very old question? If there are in fact combat roles that women can perform and that they will voluntarily perform, why not?

I have no problems taking orders from a woman, learning from female professors, etc. And I would follow a female officer or NCO up/over/into [insert military cliche here]. Guard duty at a base, MP duty, flight patrols, etc., I'm cool with.

But if I I have a say in it, then they don't go into or over enemy territory. I acknowledge that is sexist. But values are where feelings & instincts collide with rationale analysis. In my worldview, the purpose of men is to protect moms and children.

Which wouldn't be so bad as a system if the main danger wasn't from other men preying on them. Or stupid men confusing protection from others with trying to control them.

/mea culpa
//but I'm trying to do better
///why yes, I'm a dad & an uncle who takes himself too seriously, how did you know?


I admire your openness.

I also completely disagree with you. War is war, and we operate a completely volunteer military. Everyone who volunteers is volunteering openly for torture, rape, and death. Those are some of the possible outcomes. If that is not acceptable for women from the perspective of men, then bar them from all service, because even noncombatant roles in the service can face those awful ends. We're either working together on the same page or some people are lesser citizens by virtue of their chromosomes.
 
2012-06-17 04:32:29 PM
Continuing with variations on the theme: America! Fark yeah!
crow202.org
crow202.org
 
2012-06-17 04:35:58 PM
So by the age of 25 she had flown 38 different types of aircraft. How's your mom's basement?
 
2012-06-17 04:36:44 PM
www.independent.co.uk

Freckles FTW!
 
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