hillary: Listening to Peter Jennings bending over backwards to try to be fair in this bizarre coverage reminds me how great Jennings was and how much he should be missed.

Good point on how good Peter Jennings was. I wish I had half his talent.

McManus_brothers: O.J. Simpson: still searching for the real killers across the fairways of America in a jail cell in Nevada..

FTFY

jjorsett: Gleeman: titwrench: We have the best chases in San Diego. We have tons of Meth and the border to Mexico. We still have the greatest chase ever, the guy that stole a tank from the National Guard armory.

That guy went down a street a couple of blocks from my apartment, we got to see all the crushed cars and stuff...it was great! (well not really)

Did anyone else find it odd that a gun in a tank was taken out by a single cop with a handgun? I mean, aren't you supposed to need RPGs or sticky bombs or something? Of course, it probably helps if you actually lock the hatch.

Yeah, it did seem a little odd when I watched the news vid. They were going on about how the police couldn't even use gas because that particular tank had some sort of filtration system or backup air supply. And then a cop just manages to force open the hatch and shoot the guy. I assume the hatches are lockable and that the guy was just overconfident and didn't lock it cause he assumed no-one would get near it.

MBrady: McManus_brothers: O.J. Simpson: still searching for the real killers across the fairways of America in a jail cell in Nevada..

FTFY

Thanks, already been covered.

Gleeman: titwrench: We have the best chases in San Diego. We have tons of Meth and the border to Mexico. We still have the greatest chase ever, the guy that stole a tank from the National Guard armory.

That guy went down a street a couple of blocks from my apartment, we got to see all the crushed cars and stuff...it was great! (well not really)

Got any good pictures?

Posh Naranek: chuckufarlie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Is it true that OJ's real name is Orange Julius, and that he started the failed restaurant chain? Or is that just urban legend?

step to the head of the class.

To be fair, I'd never heard of the name "Orenthal" until this shiat either.

"Orenthal"? Sounds like a new ingredient they be adding to cigarettes if you ask me.

/Still keeping a brutha down

MattyFridays: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mugato: Anniversary of famous person who got busted for a felony and sort of got away with it but not really trifecta in play?

Jason did it. OJ covered. LAPD fked up again - business as usual.

It makes for an interesting story about Jason doing it and not OJ.

It could explain how blithe he was in the years after the fact.

But I wonder why it's something Fred Goldman never explored.

Jason is broke.

Yeah, right...

I remember the coverage of the chase started about 10 pm, as I was doing my closing side work at my waiter job, I finished my work up around 10:30 and headed out to the after hours bar I frequented in those days and could not believe the chase was still going on.

I remember coming out of seeing the Crow with my GF at the time and stopping for a a drink and wondering what was with the PiP on the Houston-Knicks game what was on the TV with the sound off.

And if you haven't seen it, the 30 For 30 movie about the day, June 17, 1994, is a fantastic piece of work about that weird, weird day where the NBA Finals were going on, the Rangers were having their victory parade in NYC, the World Cup was kicking off in Chicago, the US Open was going on and the baseball lockout was about to start. All that, and suddenly you get a white Bronco.

BABA BOOOYIIEEEE!!!!

This far into the thread and nobody's mentioned Ric Romero yet?

The day my marriage started falling apart, five months after it began.

ZAZ: Were freeway chases the state sport of California before 1994? Or did OJ start a media trend?

The Charlie Sheen movie The Chase came out in March 1994. The sad thing is that everything the movie did in lampooning the media is exactly how they would handle such a chase today...and most of them were how they handled the O.J. chase.

I remember going to Nintendo PowerFest '94 in either Loveland or Longmont, Colorado that day and winning a tee shirt and a baseball cap. When I got home, this boring car chase thing was on every channel. I was in 4th grade

Cant seem to find the 30 for 30 piece everyone is talking about

Stupidest thing the prosecution could have done, and they did it: They allowed the defense to take control, and make it all about one cop who used the n-word.

Marcia Clarke went on and on about "Is Furhman (sp?) a racist? Yes. Is that awful? Yes." etc. when she should have said, "This isn't about Mark Furhman. He's not on trial."

Brilliant play by the defense, and it worked.

lacrossestar83: I remember going to Nintendo PowerFest '94 in either Loveland or Longmont, Colorado that day and winning a tee shirt and a baseball cap. When I got home, this boring car chase thing was on every channel. I was in 4th grade

For fark's sake, get off my lawn!

I had just started my leave and was waiting at LAX for my flight to Chicago and saw it on the TV at the bar. Took me a few minutes to figure out what was happening, I hadn't heard about the murder.

Also, ahhh the summer between 4th and 5th grade....

Bathia_Mapes: He's currently an inmate in Lovelock Correctional Center. On December 5, 2008 he was sentenced to 33 years, with a possibily of parole after 9 years.

Somehow I have a feeling he won't be granted parole.

That'll be interesting. The murder case isn't supposed to be a consideration in that any more than in the robbery trial, and if you apply the usual criteria for parole (ability to maintain a permanent residence and have a stable income and comply with parole conditions) he would seem to possibly qualify better than the average destitute, non-celebrity, non-pension-earning inmate.

When parole eligibility is reached it's not supposed to be an occasion to retry the original case or any other past case. The main question is supposed to be whether he'll get in trouble again if he's let out. As a celebrity inmate who has to be segregated for safety his incarceration is probably a bit more expensive than most and it's a robbery conviction. Does the state have a real interest in keeping him behind bars beyond 9 years on the issues of the robbery case? He'd still have to comply with parole conditions the remainder of the 33 years.

Nem Wan: Bathia_Mapes: He's currently an inmate in Lovelock Correctional Center. On December 5, 2008 he was sentenced to 33 years, with a possibily of parole after 9 years.

Somehow I have a feeling he won't be granted parole.

That'll be interesting. The murder case isn't supposed to be a consideration in that any more than in the robbery trial, and if you apply the usual criteria for parole (ability to maintain a permanent residence and have a stable income and comply with parole conditions) he would seem to possibly qualify better than the average destitute, non-celebrity, non-pension-earning inmate.

When parole eligibility is reached it's not supposed to be an occasion to retry the original case or any other past case. The main question is supposed to be whether he'll get in trouble again if he's let out. As a celebrity inmate who has to be segregated for safety his incarceration is probably a bit more expensive than most and it's a robbery conviction. Does the state have a real interest in keeping him behind bars beyond 9 years on the issues of the robbery case? He'd still have to comply with parole conditions the remainder of the 33 years.

Also interesting, he would be 94 when he gets out if he is forced to serve the full 33 years. He's up for parole in 2017, when he is 70. I wonder what the odds are that he dies in prison?

I remember this well, and the trial too. One rather odd thing is my sister-in-law named her newborn Kaelin, right as the trial was wrapping up. I said, "like Kato?" and she was extremely offended. Yet the spelling is exactly the same and how many little girls named Kaelin are there running around? (Tons of Katelin, Kaitlin, Katelyn etc but the only Kaelin I know who isn't a dude with that as his last name.)

I see O.J....
Link

ExperianScaresCthulhu: TXEric: McManus_brothers: O.J. Simpson: still searching for the real killers across the fairways of America.

Hard to do from a jail cell...

/Justice was finally done, even though it was for a different crime.

Speaking of your attitude........... What I remember of the verdict being handed down, was black folk being quiet, and saying 'well, white folks are gonna be mad, and will have their revenge - it won't be in a riot.' What I remember was that OJ had to be on his best behavior, because anything white folks could pop him for, he would be popped for, no matter how ridiculous, and he would be given a maximum sentence for it. No matter what it was.

OJ was stupid because he still believed white folk loved him, and that he was an honorary white, just because his close circle of yes-folk and too-rich-to-bother-with-middle-and-lower-class-white-folk-think white folk still hung around him and golfed with him and spoke up for him. And white groupies still threw themselves at him, Jordan style.

OJ probably still believes white folk love him. He's been in the delusion too long.

My attitude? I have no attitude about that case.
Hell, I loved OJ, wanted to see him exonerated completely, without any doubt. In fact, I cheered with some friends when he was found not guilty, even though I felt differently.
The LAPD and the prosecution completely f-ed the case up, for sure.
But with the ability to access some of the evidence that was not presented to the jury, I think either he did it, or knows exactly who did.

MadAzza: Stupidest thing the prosecution could have done, and they did it: They allowed the defense to take control, and make it all about one cop who used the n-word.

Marcia Clarke went on and on about "Is Furhman (sp?) a racist? Yes. Is that awful? Yes." etc. when she should have said, "This isn't about Mark Furhman. He's not on trial."

Brilliant play by the defense, and it worked.

Yeah, Vincent Bugliosi destroys the O.J. prosecution whenever he gets a chance. It's amazing how badly they farked up an open and shut case. For fark's sake - O.J. left a suicide note, he led police on the infamous chase in his desperate attempt to flee the country (he had his passport, a change of clothes, a fake beard, a gun and cash) and there was overwhelming DNA evidence he did it.

An incompetent prosecution, a great defense and the fallout from the Rodney King riots all conspired to save his ass. He couldn't have picked a better time to kill two people and get away with it.

chuckufarlie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Is it true that OJ's real name is Orange Julius, and that he started the failed restaurant chain? Or is that just urban legend?

step to the head of the class.

Orenthal James Simpson.

/Konnichiwa biatches

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

OJ probably still believes white folk love him. He's been in the delusion too long.

This is absolutely true, and goes for any black person, from Denzel Washington to professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard... step out of line, and it doesn't matter how rich you are or how famous you are or how much you think white people love you or accept you, your status instantly reverts to "ni&&er". That's the reality.

OJ probably still lives in that state of denial. Damn shame.

MoronLessOff: Gleeman: titwrench: We have the best chases in San Diego. We have tons of Meth and the border to Mexico. We still have the greatest chase ever, the guy that stole a tank from the National Guard armory.

That guy went down a street a couple of blocks from my apartment, we got to see all the crushed cars and stuff...it was great! (well not really)

Got any good pictures?

Yeah, I do! Just wish I knew how to post it! I was driving about a mile in front of him that day. It was all over the news that evning.

Also on June 17th 1994

In Detroit, Kiss's Gene Simmons and Peter Criss, along with assorted lawyers, cops, and a film crew, descend on a Kiss fan convention to take back memorabilia they claim was stolen from a warehouse in New York City. The Grateful Dead and Cracker play Eugene, Oregon, and Metallica plays Middletown, New York. The Southern Spirit '94 tour, which features Lynyrd Skynyrd, .38 Special, the Marshall Tucker Band, and Ted Nugent, plays St. Louis. Whitney Houston plays Hartford, Connecticut. Phil Collins plays the SkyDome in Toronto; among those in attendance is Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones, who's in town with his bandmates for the weekend to shoot the video for "Love Is Strong," from their upcoming album Voodoo Lounge.

On the new Cash Box chart that will officially come out tomorrow, "I Swear" by All-4-One is on top for a fourth straight week. Ace of Base has the #3 and #11 hits in the land, respectively, with "Don't Turn Around" and "The Sign."

Ah yes, I remember that year. If you ever saw TV commercials for Starburst candy, their slogan "The juice is loose" took on a whole new meaning.

Bathia_Mapes: MattyFridays: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Speaking of your attitude........... What I remember of the verdict being handed down, was black folk being quiet, and saying 'well, white folks are gonna be mad, and will have their revenge - it won't be in a riot.' What I remember was that OJ had to be on his best behavior, because anything white folks could pop him for, he would be popped for, no matter how ridiculous, and he would be given a maximum sentence for it. No matter what it was.

Except OJ didn't get a max sentence for this. He got 9 years minimum, where the state was looking for 18 minimum.

Nope, he got 33 years, with a possibility of parole after 9 years, and there's no guarantee he'll be granted parole.

Did you miss the part where I said the state was looking for 18 MINIMUM?

Getting the book thrown at him means the Judge would agree with the prosecution's recommendation for punishment. Or even tack on even more.

whither_apophis: Mantour: And a star was born!



Here is her blog :

Gretawire

She wasn't only star, OJ is directly responsible for the Kardashians.

Which should merit the death penalty.

MoronLessOff: Gleeman: titwrench: We have the best chases in San Diego. We have tons of Meth and the border to Mexico. We still have the greatest chase ever, the guy that stole a tank from the National Guard armory.

That guy went down a street a couple of blocks from my apartment, we got to see all the crushed cars and stuff...it was great! (well not really)

Got any good pictures?

Unfortunately no, this was in the dark days before cell phones with cameras.

18 years? holy crap

Gleeman: MoronLessOff: Gleeman: titwrench: We have the best chases in San Diego. We have tons of Meth and the border to Mexico. We still have the greatest chase ever, the guy that stole a tank from the National Guard armory.

That guy went down a street a couple of blocks from my apartment, we got to see all the crushed cars and stuff...it was great! (well not really)

Got any good pictures?

Unfortunately no, this was in the dark days before cell phones with cameras.

Not pix, but a decent enough video :)

I was celebrating my 21st birthday that night out at the bars. It is a powerful personal memory for me.

hillary: Listening to Peter Jennings bending over backwards to try to be fair in this bizarre coverage reminds me how great Jennings was and how much he should be missed.

As far as I'm concerned, he was the last true journalist. He is missed.

*and I always wanted to see him play James Bond

The thing that I find most interesting abaout the trial of O.J. is that in the beginning with his first lawyer, he was going to plead guilty but when he got Johnny Cochran as his lawyer, he was persuaded to plead not guilty and the rest is history. Since a innocent man in O.J.'s position would not plead guilty if he were in fact innocent, the fact that he was okay with pleading guilty speaks volumes regarding his guilt or innocence. I couldn't believe the fiasco regarding the glove because the prosecution shold have known that leather shrinks when it dries after being wet. They should have prepared the jury for that fact and gotten a pair of the same size foor him to try on that were never dampened. But Karma has a way of biting you in the ass as he found out in his second trial.

1994 the world cup being in America was supposed to make soccer become big in America. When I heard that, I predicted that some American news event will happen that will completely take soccer off the news and watercooler radar. Voìla, such police chase and trial supplants such soccer publicity.

The low-speed chase passed within two blocks of my house and I missed it all.

McManus_brothers: O.J. Simpson: still searching for the real killers across the fairways of America.

Not so much, now. In case you don't remember, in 2007 he was sentenced to 33 years for armed robbery and kidnapping in a separate case in Vegas.