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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Forty years ago today, the most infamous third-rate burglary in history pushed the first domino that would topple a regime   (startribune.com) divider line 111
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2012-06-17 11:35:40 AM  

Notabunny: Boudica's War Tampon: I think the American people never realized who the very serious, very evil wrong-doers were in the Nixon administration. Yes Nixon was a criminal. But there were evil, nasty people there with him.

You know, guys like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush I, Kissinger.

Nixon fell a long way but in many ways he was a fall guy for nasty people in his administration.

You'll find this fun and interesting. That's Karl Rove at about 3:50 Turd Blossom is working to embarrass pundits who say Nixon doesn't appeal to youth. Nixon fell, but the machine he built is still running today.


Now you done got me all agitated...
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2012-06-17 11:35:49 AM  

larry00: Saw Drew Curtis on Stossel's show on Fox !


I didn't know people actually watched that show.
 
2012-06-17 11:37:21 AM  

LucklessWonder: Dear Jerk: Clinton demeaned the office of the presidency.

NIXON, YOU DOLT!

/Oblig


I wasn't there. Nobody saw me. You can't prove a thing.
 
2012-06-17 11:37:35 AM  

The DBS: I guess dragging out 40 year old crimes involving the White House is easier than looking at the ones being committed by the current White House occupant.

Fight the brave fight.


Oh look, another mid 2007 account making a comeback.
 
2012-06-17 11:46:07 AM  
i thought referring to USAian presidents administrations as 'regimes' was all offensive or something.
 
2012-06-17 11:50:32 AM  
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2012-06-17 11:55:40 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: thornhill: I completely disagree. The New Yorker let's their writers go off for a year and comeback with a 30 page story. Similarly, while NPR stories are typically kept to 4 to 5 minutes, for something important they'll give it as much time as it needs. For example, last month they had a series on fracking with a 5 to 10 minute story each day. And during the Keystone Pipeline controversy they did back to back 11+ minute segments on it. And finally, there's This American Life which is just incredible.

The problem isn't journalism but the public. Most people only want news from a source that helps validate their world view, and they can't be bothered to read or listen to anything of significant length.

That's rather like blaming people who live in a food desert for only eating junk food.

Just because there are two (extremely peripatetic) outlets out there which still practice journalism doesn't mean that the news media isn't the problem.

I'm willing to go to some lengths to keep myself informed, and the problem I'm having is that sources which used to be really good (like the BBC) are suffering from the same dumbing down of reportage between the (Murdoch-inspired) cuts to their budget and their mistake belief that they should emulate a more "consumer-friendly" model.


You're being way too narrow. The NYT may have made cut backs and some mistakes in recent years, but they're still excellent. As is the Washington Post. There are many fine news magazines, including Harpers, The Atlantic, and The New Republic. Even Rolling Stone has done good work, such as bringing down McChrystal.

Going back to NPR, it's huge. In addition to Morning Edition and All Things Considered, NPR stations air a large number of news programs, some of which are produced by PRI, APM or local NPR stations, such as: Planet Money, Marketplace, Talk of the Nation, Fresh Air, On the Media and On Point.

And even people like John Stewart, Bill Maher and Steve Colbert are doing highly original work exposing the ludicrous things politicians say.
 
2012-06-17 11:57:41 AM  

Notabunny: You guys are forgetting that Reagan was imprisoned for Iran-Contra, and to this day Republicans dare not speak his name.


In fairness, Reagan had trouble remembering that himself.
 
2012-06-17 11:59:21 AM  
I like listening to G. Gordon Liddy just to make baby boomer heads assplode
 
2012-06-17 12:01:54 PM  

Notabunny: Boudica's War Tampon: I think the American people never realized who the very serious, very evil wrong-doers were in the Nixon administration. Yes Nixon was a criminal. But there were evil, nasty people there with him.

You know, guys like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush I, Kissinger.

Nixon fell a long way but in many ways he was a fall guy for nasty people in his administration.

You'll find this fun and interesting. That's Karl Rove at about 3:50 Turd Blossom is working to embarrass pundits who say Nixon doesn't appeal to youth. Nixon fell, but the machine he built is still running today.


And Roger Ailes, aka "I am Fox News, muthafarkahs", Nixon's media consultant.
 
2012-06-17 12:08:48 PM  
In college, one of my professors and a speaker close to the case both laid out how Nixon could have easily slipped out of the Watergate scandal, and possibly even upped his popularity if only he had been at least translucent about the whole affair, from the start. The problem was that he was a paranoid compulsive with borderline personality disorder and a nasty habit of drinking too much and thinking up football analogies. At the time, though, enough Americans were probably willing to let it slide, had he not doubled/tripled/quadrupled down and left a paper/audio trail that end-to-end could penetrate the stratosphere. In the end, I think the guy burnt himself out. He was vibrant enough to act like an alcoholic in an intervention, but too tired for an impeachment trial that probably would have fizzled anyway. Nixon was done. And as any asshole will tell you, when you're done, you just haphazardly (maybe even unconsciously) up the asshole quotient until everybody pushes you out and locks the door behind you.
 
2012-06-17 12:10:20 PM  

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I'll just leave this link to Jackson Browne's "Lives in the Balance" Released in 1986

The greatest evil Nixon perpetrated was unnecessarily prolonging the Viet Nam war. Enjoy Sunday.
 
2012-06-17 12:22:23 PM  
I thought Anthony Hopkins did a pretty good job in the movie Nixon to show just how paranoid Dick really was. Anybody that lived through that time understood that though. I remember watching his reignation in 1973 while I was on summer break from school. Even as an 8 year old I could tell he was a strange fellow. And he was a crook for sure, just like most of the conservative assholes of today.
 
2012-06-17 12:27:42 PM  

thornhill: Most people only want news from a source that helps validate their world view, and they can't be bothered to read or listen to anything of significant length.


That is a really succinct view on the state of mainstream media right now. Everyone's opinion is treated as a valid opinion so that news channels won't offend any viewers to keep ratings up.
 
2012-06-17 12:29:40 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Mugato: The worst thing that came out of this is that now the media adds the suffix "-gate" to anything and everything from Clinton getting head to Janet Jackson's nipple slip.

No, the worst thing is "What did he know and when did he know it?"-gate.


Still no definition for "is".
 
2012-06-17 12:34:24 PM  
The death of honest media is the real story here. It took less than a generation for they lie down with the democrats and cover up for their crimes ans misdemeanors
 
2012-06-17 12:37:08 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: rjakobi: Second-rate burglary, Subby. Nixon still won big that year, but at the cost of giving mass media justification to be unbearable doucebags in the process.

Thanks a lot, you stupid, stupid bassids.

Yes. What a wonderful world this would be if only the media would refrain from telling us of the evil and unlawful things done by our betters. Why can't they be satisfied with just telling us about the missing white girl?


They can inform us all they want about what's wrong. It's just that they need to stop sneering while doing so.

Seriously, watch a cable news network and notice when commentators try to sneak in a raw aside. Especially the morning shows with the false sense of superiority.

...

Wait, were you just trolling me?
 
2012-06-17 12:42:54 PM  

Brontes: thornhill: Most people only want news from a source that helps validate their world view, and they can't be bothered to read or listen to anything of significant length.

That is a really succinct view on the state of mainstream media right now. Everyone's opinion is treated as a valid opinion so that news channels won't offend any viewers to keep ratings up.


It's also more about people on the right simply wanting to exist in an echo chamber.

This chart tells you all you really need to know:

www.zsql.com
 
2012-06-17 12:45:24 PM  

thornhill: You're being way too narrow. The NYT may have made cut backs and some mistakes in recent years, but they're still excellent. As is the Washington Post.


The Washington Post has given over to the same sort of political trolling usually seen in the Murdoch papers, and as for the notion that the Times has made "some mistakes" that's putting it mildly. 15 years ago, I could keep myself amused for an entire day (at least) with a copy of the Sunday Times. Today, it's a pale shadow of its former self. That's not entirely due to the editors; the decline of newspapers due to the internet has hit everyone in the industry by slashing revenue.

Rolling Stone is likewise a pale shadow of its former self: I read it in high school in the early 90s when it was already past its prime and it was still publishing HST, Tom Wolfe, and other real journalists regularly and their music review section was worth the purchase price. Now they've cut reviews to no more than three paragraphs, and as far as journalism, they've got Taibbi. And allowing McChrystal to hoist himself by his own petard in public hardly counts as real journalism in my book.
 
2012-06-17 12:48:11 PM  

huchipapa: Nixon was a superior statesman with keen global vision. He should have been a college professor. As president, he was one farked up emotional mess though....paranoid beyond all belief.


Agreed. The man was too thin-skinned and emotional to have ever approached politics. Nearly everything he did was touched by an inferiority complex (even as what he did seemed supremely arrogant).

I've read a ton about Nixon, and on most days feel genuinely sorry for the man (and I say this as a liberal). Then I take a look at what he actually did and want to punch his corpse.

FInally, if you haven't seen Frost/Nixon I HIGHLY recommend it.
 
2012-06-17 12:48:52 PM  

EnviroDude: The death of honest media is the real story here. It took less than a generation for they lie down with the democrats and cover up for their crimes ans misdemeanors


Not even you believe that, Phil.
 
2012-06-17 01:01:36 PM  

dickfreckle: I've read a ton about Nixon, and on most days feel genuinely sorry for the man (and I say this as a liberal). Then I take a look at what he actually did and want to punch his corpse.

FInally, if you haven't seen Frost/Nixon I HIGHLY recommend it.


And if you liked Nixon/Frost, I highly recommend Secret Honor, Robert ALtman's staging of Philip Baker Hall's one-man tour de force as Nixon, alone and drunk with a tape recorder.
 
2012-06-17 01:17:10 PM  

EnviroDude: The death of honest media is the real story here. It took less than a generation for they lie down with the democrats and cover up for their crimes ans misdemeanors


Please stop snorting whiskey.
 
2012-06-17 01:19:50 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: The Washington Post has given over to the same sort of political trolling usually seen in the Murdoch papers, and as for the notion that the Times has made "some mistakes" that's putting it mildly.


You think mistakes were never made in the past? False reporting and plagiarism going back to the founding of journalism.

There have always been media tycoons with political agendas. William Randolph Hearst was the all time king. The stuff he did was far worse than anything being done today.

Even in the so called golden age of news reporting, the media was complicit in the red scare.
 
2012-06-17 01:21:14 PM  

AntiNerd: Did you know there are a lot of Republicans out there who think that what they did to Clinton was nothing more than the JUST DESSERTS for what their party "did to" Nixon


Hehe, "just desserts". Which one stayed in office despite being impeached and which one resigned in disgrace despite being pardoned. They can't even be honest with themselves.
 
2012-06-17 01:24:21 PM  

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I'll just leave this link to Jackson Browne's "Lives in the Balance" Released in 1986

The greatest evil Nixon perpetrated was unnecessarily prolonging the Viet Nam war. Enjoy Sunday.


Except for arranging the JFK assassination. Nixon and those involved with Watergate were all in Dallas that day. Did Nixon have motive? You bet he wanted JFK dead for beating him in 1960. You bet Oswald was a patsy. Wake up Americans and look into the truthometer, it couldn't be more obvious if you think for just a second about Nixon's drive to punish anyone who "wronged" him.
 
2012-06-17 01:24:26 PM  
The hilarious thing about the Watergate exhibit at the Nixon Library (it was under renovation when I visited it about a year ago) is that they let you listen to the entire 18.5 minute tape gap. They have it playing on a loop, and you listen to it over a telephone.

That's right, the Nixon Library Watergate featured exhibit is SILENCE. And you can listen to that silence for hours!

The other interesting thing about the Nixon Library is reading Elvis' note to Nixon. Elvis had the handwriting of a nine year old.
 
2012-06-17 01:27:08 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Elvis had the handwriting of a nine year old.


Considering that he was born and raised in Mississippi, I don't see how this is a big shocker to everyone.

/Hell of a musician though
 
2012-06-17 01:28:20 PM  

thornhill: You think mistakes were never made in the past? False reporting and plagiarism going back to the founding of journalism.


No, I think the New York Times has made a series of bad choices over the last 25 years which will eventually lead to the paper's collapse.

thornhill: There have always been media tycoons with political agendas. William Randolph Hearst was the all time king. The stuff he did was far worse than anything being done today.


No, what Hearst did is pretty much on par with what we know and what we're finding out about Murdoch. And "The Chief" was never as close to any politician as Murdoch's family have been with the last several prime ministers of the UK.

Even in their prime, the newspaper tycoons of the late 19th/early 20th century only had regional or at best national influence. Murdoch and the other media/entertainment companies now have influence which is truly global.
 
2012-06-17 01:37:59 PM  
CSB:

I met G. Gordon Liddy about 20 years ago; have a picture of me with Liddy. He was batshiat crazy even then. But charming.
I also got him to autograph a "Top Secret" file folder. He signed it "Burn before reading."
 
2012-06-17 01:39:43 PM  

Kevin72: Except for arranging the JFK assassination. Nixon and those involved with Watergate were all in Dallas that day. Did Nixon have motive? You bet he wanted JFK dead for beating him in 1960. You bet Oswald was a patsy. Wake up Americans and look into the truthometer, it couldn't be more obvious if you think for just a second about Nixon's drive to punish anyone who "wronged" him.


o.onionstatic.com
 
2012-06-17 01:45:30 PM  

propasaurus: charming.


Must have just had his salamander enema.
 
2012-06-17 01:45:34 PM  
Listen up, Truthers: if agents of the US Government could fark up a simple burglary of all things, why the fark do you think that they could pull off something like 9/11?
 
2012-06-17 01:51:37 PM  
I'm pretty liberal, but I'm really fascinated by Nixon.

He didn't come from power or money, and he certainly isn't charismatic in any traditional way. He's one of the least likely presidents we've ever had.
 
2012-06-17 01:52:48 PM  
Nixon was merely the protege of Prescott Bush, H.W. Bush's dad, W's granddad. Prescott was an evil Nazi son of a biatch. He built the neoconservative wing of republican party by bringing in the disfranchised southern dixicrats.
 
2012-06-17 01:59:31 PM  

Dafatone: He didn't come from power or money


No, but he did come from a repressively religious family, the head of which beat him relentlessly.

He's one of the least likely presidents we've ever had

Once you've been a Rep and a Senator, and have run for office already, you're no longer the quirky long shot. Also, he was only slightly more sociopathic than almost every other president we've had.
 
2012-06-17 02:06:11 PM  

Franco: Nixon was merely the protege of Prescott Bush, H.W. Bush's dad, W's granddad. Prescott was an evil Nazi son of a biatch. He built the neoconservative wing of republican party by bringing in the disfranchised southern dixicrats.


Uh, really? I'm going with [citation needed] on this one, as everything I've read/seen has him as a product of the oil lobby in California and the anti-Communist movement.

And remember that he almost won the election in 1960 without the "Dixiecrat" vote. Wooing southern whites was a move made out of desperation at the notion of losing in '68.
 
2012-06-17 02:15:39 PM  

cman: Listen up, Truthers: if agents of the US Government could fark up a simple burglary of all things, why the fark do you think that they could pull off something like 9/11?


Or falsify a birth certificate.
 
2012-06-17 02:16:26 PM  

cman: if agents of the US Government could fark up a simple burglary


They would've gotten away with it, too, if not for those meddling kids.

The funny part was that they didn't just fark up the burglary once, but several times. They tried on at least two previous occasions, and encountered problems like poorly made duplicate keys.
 
2012-06-17 02:16:55 PM  

draa: I remember watching his reignation in 1973 while I was on summer break from school. Even as an 8 year old I could tell he was a strange fellow. And he was a crook for sure, just like most of the conservative assholes of today.


I was younger, 6 or so, but I can remember thinking that the President was a Bad Man. As an highly-functioning autistic kid, I often saw things others didn't, but couldn't express it in any way that made sense to others. (Think Patrick on DS9.) I knew he was a crook, though, and for the longest time I thought that was what the president was, since I immediately identified every adult I saw running for or associated with the word "President" the same way. OBVIOUSLY dishonest, crooked, and somewhat abnormal in their reactions, compared to other people.

I watched the Watergate hearings with fascination, all day long, which worried the adults around me. But I was obsessed with it.
 
2012-06-17 02:21:27 PM  

Free Radical: cman: Listen up, Truthers: if agents of the US Government could fark up a simple burglary of all things, why the fark do you think that they could pull off something like 9/11?

Or falsify a birth certificate.


Not just the birth certificate, but they would have also had to invent a time travel machine to go back in time and place a birth notice in the local newspaper
 
2012-06-17 02:21:52 PM  

ImpendingCynic: They would've gotten away with it, too, if not for those meddling kids.


www.zuguide.com

"I am not a kid."
 
2012-06-17 02:22:16 PM  

thamike: Dafatone: He didn't come from power or money

No, but he did come from a repressively religious family, the head of which beat him relentlessly.

He's one of the least likely presidents we've ever had

Once you've been a Rep and a Senator, and have run for office already, you're no longer the quirky long shot. Also, he was only slightly more sociopathic than almost every other president we've had.


Sure, but how'd he even get there? What about him says politician? Especially given how many politicians start with a leg up or three.
 
2012-06-17 02:28:34 PM  

Dafatone: What about him says politician?


The rabid attachment to becoming a powerful politician, and staying that way no matter what, tipped me off. I'm sure the guy had a sense of humor somewhere, but he got rid of any semblance of humanity for the sake of power, which he abused regularly. Getting even with dad seems to be a recurring theme with some of these guys. It all makes perfect sense when looked at objectively.
 
2012-06-17 02:45:17 PM  

EnviroDude: It took less than a generation for they lie down with the democrats and cover up for their crimes ans misdemeanors


Phoning it in. 0/10.
 
2012-06-17 02:51:03 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Kevin72: Except for arranging the JFK assassination. Nixon and those involved with Watergate were all in Dallas that day. Did Nixon have motive? You bet he wanted JFK dead for beating him in 1960. You bet Oswald was a patsy. Wake up Americans and look into the truthometer, it couldn't be more obvious if you think for just a second about Nixon's drive to punish anyone who "wronged" him.

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Notice how they've included EVERYONE BUT NIXON? The bigger the outrage, the more people will be in denial about it. AMERICANS, YOUR ex-VP ARRANGED THE MURDER OF JFK SO HE COULD TAKE THE OFFICE HE WAS DENIED IN 1960.
 
2012-06-17 03:08:47 PM  

thamike: Dafatone: What about him says politician?

The rabid attachment to becoming a powerful politician, and staying that way no matter what, tipped me off. I'm sure the guy had a sense of humor somewhere, but he got rid of any semblance of humanity for the sake of power, which he abused regularly. Getting even with dad seems to be a recurring theme with some of these guys. It all makes perfect sense when looked at objectively.


The rabid attachment makes sense, given his background. But plenty of people are rabid about power and wind up nowhere near president. Nixon got there pretty much purely through will. That's impressive. Even if I don't agree with him on most things.

/he'd probably be center-left today.
 
2012-06-17 03:36:05 PM  

Dafatone: But plenty of people are rabid about power and wind up nowhere near president.


Most of them. That's because they also want lots of money and not be held responsible for everything. If I wanted power, the last pathway I'd look to is in running for office.
 
2012-06-17 03:55:03 PM  
Remember when breaking into a building to wiretap a phone was considered a bad thing?

Now everyone's phones are wiretapped as a matter of course and Congress even went so far as to grant the phone company immunity from lawsuits for their criminal acts.
 
2012-06-17 04:04:22 PM  

GentlemanJ: I hear that plane a-comin', it must be Air Force One/ Sounds like Spiro, havin' fun...but I'm stuck in Folsom Prsion/ Why was this my fate? You can take this here guitar/ And shove it up your Watergate!
/Obscure?


I don't think it made his Dick Nixon's Solid Gold Album, though.
/still has his map of Indochina and a pointer.
// jk
 
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