Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That makes them very different from air rifles w/ a rifled bore which shoot lead pellets. These are similar to a bb gun but not the same. Since I'm typing on a phone I'll simply have to refer you to Tom Gaylord who has a pretty good blog that explains the various differences in more detail:

http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/category/bb-guns/

FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That makes them very different from air rifles w/ a rifled bo ...

I'm wiling to hear your points... but right now they are rather blunt. Since I have been using firearms to include pellet/BB guns, and you have given me zero reasons to think you know more, I will reserve judgement.

Feel free to EIP when you want to share details. Right now... I only responded with the details I grew up with.

/I will pick on any retarded terminology I see fit.

CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That makes them very different from air rifles w/ a r ...

Pre-charged pneumatics are powered by high-presure air or nitrogen at 1,000-3,000 p.s.i. from a specialized hand pump or a scuba tank. They are generally the most inherently accurate type of air rifle. They come in low-powered target models all the way up to big-bore high-powered models that are suitable for big game. The blog FooDog linked to is the blog of the foremost authority on air guns in the world. If you are interested, it is quite interesting--I used to read every post he wrote, but I have been shooting firearms more these days, and only pull out the airguns on occasion.

Realistically, anything with a minimum of 5 or 6 ft/lbs on target accurate enough to hit a quarter at the desired range is suitable for tree rats. I have an RWS 54 that does the job admirably out to fifty yards or more, but since I moved to the country I haven't had any issues with the little buggers, so it has been relegated to paper punching duty.

new_york_monty: CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That makes them very different from a ...

I'm good with that. Even a small life taken is still regrettable. As to terminology, F that. If I understand the use, then the words are unnecessary.

/But I do have good ways to cook the little critters so it's lose is not completely in vain.

new_york_monty: CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That makes them very different from a ...

Thanks for adding to my air gun education.

CasperImproved: new_york_monty: CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That makes them very ...

OK. Per your request, here's an article by Tom which provides a brief overview of different types of air guns and what separates them: http://www.pyramydair.com/article/All_about_airgun_powerplants_April_2 009/60

This article explains how PCP work in more detail: http://www.pyramydair.com/article/Introduction_to_precharged_pneumatic s_February_2009/57

As new_york_monty indicated, Tom is arguably THE authority on all things air guns related and his articles provide for some really good reading if you are interested. Enjoy!

And as far as terminology goes, I didn't bring that up as a point of contention. You did.

FooDog: CasperImproved: new_york_monty: CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel balls. That ...

But dog... did you read I was thankful for the education add?

I'm guessing you didn't, and that you could have done better on this thread.

CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: new_york_monty: CasperImproved: FooDog: CasperImproved: FooDog: Gothnet: If he was killing them quickly and without cruelty, I'm not sure I really see the problem.

I love animals, and abhor animal cruelty, but they were repeatedly invading the guys house, and it's not like the world is running out of squirrels any time soon. The BB gun makes me think that maybe they weren't being killed outright and fast, and may be the wrong tool for the job, but still.

A true bb gun can kill squirrels but are not powerful enough to be considered humane. An air rifle however is a completely different story. Many pump and spring loaded air rifles are powerful enough to do the job right. Pre-charged pnematic air rifles even more so w/ a number packing 30-50 ft lbs. I've heard several stories about people shooting coyotes w/ .25 cal Marauder air rifle.

You should work on your terminology. A BB gun is an air rifle. And if the ft/sec is high enough, and you fire accurately, it is likely the most humane way to die short of using drugs where you peacefully go to sleep and not wake up. But a pellet is more accurate than a BB. You should factor that into your concepts. The cheap BB/pellet guns have a low ft/sec firing capability, and therefore will often not kill on an initial shot. But even a mid-range inexpensive "air gun" can be humane.

Firearms (and pellet/BB guns) have been in my life from the age of eight. I have also qualified as expert marksman a number of times thanks to using single shot weapons when young and preferring to go home with edibles.

Not sure what you meant by "pre-charged pneumatic", but a co2 cartridge pellet/BB gun is for target/sport fun only. A pump (otherwise air charged) match style BB/pellet gun can be extremely accurate and provide a killing force with each shot,

If you have no idea what a pcp is perhaps you shouldn't pick on terminology. Bb's are indeed air guns but w/ limited powerplants, smooth bores and they shoot steel ball ...

My apologies if that was the case. I was under the impression that your comment was directed to new_york_monty.