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2012-06-16 10:44:57 PM
5 votes:

boozerman: calorie consumption up + activity down= more obesity. But I guess that's too simple, doesn't give you something to blame, and isn't interesting enough to sell books about.


One of the reasons calorie consumption is up is because of all the added sugar in everything. Remember the "fat is bad" craze decades ago when everything started coming out in low fat versions? Guess what they replaced the fat with? That's right, sugar. Put the fat back in and take the sugar out, and people will eat fewer calories because your system tells your brain you are full sooner when you eat fat compared to sugar.
2012-06-16 09:38:28 PM
5 votes:
Everything in moderation, but those who abuse sugar deserve a good caning.
2012-06-16 10:58:22 PM
4 votes:

Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.


Fruit has natural sugars AND fiber which in combination, the fiber prevents a lot of the sugar absorption in the body making it healthier.

If your great grandmother wouldn't recognize the food you are eating you probably shouldn't eat it.
2012-06-16 10:49:31 PM
4 votes:

Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.


Ancient people who ate lots of fruit still left skeletons with heads full of pearly white teeth. They didn't use toothpaste, either.

Anyone who tries to tell you refined sugar is the same as all sugars is full of shiat, or trying to kill you.
2012-06-16 10:23:26 PM
4 votes:

LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?


I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.

I repeat, that roll of fat around the middle of an otherwise normal shaped human, was rare as hell. That never showed up until HFCS started being added to everything. There's something about that shiat that condenses fat around the middle.
2012-06-16 10:22:22 PM
4 votes:
I'd really like to see what would happen if, instead of reducing the amount of sugar, they just replaced HFCS with cane sugar.
2012-06-16 10:08:26 PM
4 votes:
You can pry it from my cold, dead hands.

/it isn't sugar that is killing us
//How about the fact that we all sit on our asses and stare at a screen for 10 hours a day?
2012-06-16 11:29:19 PM
3 votes:

miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.


Theres an extra step to digesting sucrose than there is unbonded fructose/glucose. With HFCS, the glucose hits your bloodstream asap, while the fructose heads to the liver and in the absense of cellulose (like if the fructose were coming from fruit), it gets converted pretty much directly to fat. Most HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, so it IS 10% worse for you than sucrose.

Science!
2012-06-16 10:51:09 PM
3 votes:

Whatthefark: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

A Princeton University study shows this isn't true.


Wow, thanks for that. I'd never read it before.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides.

Holy crap I was right!
2012-06-16 10:28:14 PM
3 votes:

trivial use of my dark powers: Fat people don't cost the system big gobs of money anymore than the smokers--they tend to die before they get elderly and become REALLY expensive.

All you health freaks, you're costing all of us, you selfish preeks. Put down the tofu and eat some fries for heaven's sake.



It costs more to care for healthy people who live years longer, according to a Dutch study that counters the common perception that preventing obesity would save governments millions of dollars.

The researchers found that from age 20 to 56, obese people racked up the most expensive health costs. But because both the smokers and the obese people died sooner than the healthy group, it cost less to treat them in the long run.
On average, healthy people lived 84 years. Smokers lived about 77 years, and obese people lived about 80 years. Smokers and obese people tended to have more heart disease than the healthy people.
Cancer incidence, except for lung cancer, was the same in all three groups. Obese people had the most diabetes, and healthy people had the most strokes. Ultimately, the thin and healthy group cost the most, about $417,000, from age 20 on.
The cost of care for obese people was $371,000, and for smokers, about $326,000.
The results counter the common perception that preventing obesity will save health systems worldwide millions of dollars.

"Lung cancer is a cheap disease to treat because people don't survive very long," van Baal said. "But if they are old enough to get Alzheimer's one day, they may survive longer and cost more."
2012-06-16 10:03:54 PM
3 votes:

LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?


i wonder how much of the gluten hate is propaganda from the corn industry, too.
2012-06-16 10:02:07 PM
3 votes:
lulz y'all thought the authoritarian busybodies would stop with tobacco.
2012-06-17 12:16:12 AM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: We went through the whole "sugar is bad" thing when I was a wee lass. For a while it was all about how sugar was evil, and everyone went for honey or maltose as a sweetener because of Evil Sugar Manufacturers. For a while it was thought that WHITE sugar was bad so everyone was using brown sugar, till they finally realized brown sugar is just white sugar with molasses.

Then it was RAW sugar, because it was the "processing" that made white sugar bad sugar, and those little packets of "Raw" sugar were showing up in coffee shops. For a while it was corn syrup or Karo, because that wasn't the kind of sugar that was over processed.

Then it was something else--Splenda, I believe--and then for a while regular white sugar was okay again. Now we're back to oo bad sugar evil. I'm going to invest in honey futures and a new "Raw Sugar" franchise, just to plan ahead.


Pretty much why i said fark it and just stopped caring about what is in the food that i eat. I eat what I want and don't care if it is organic, regular, HFCS, sugar, or anything else. I just eat it because it tastes good. My basic diet was, quit drinking so much and quit eating so much, and exercise from time to time That was it. It may not work for everyone but it works for me.
2012-06-16 11:39:14 PM
2 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.

Ancient people who ate lots of fruit still left skeletons with heads full of pearly white teeth. They didn't use toothpaste, either.

Anyone who tries to tell you refined sugar is the same as all sugars is full of shiat, or trying to kill you.


That's because they died before they hit 20.
2012-06-16 11:31:13 PM
2 votes:

spaten: J. Frank Parnell: Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.

Ancient people who ate lots of fruit still left skeletons with heads full of pearly white teeth. They didn't use toothpaste, either.

Anyone who tries to tell you refined sugar is the same as all sugars is full of shiat, or trying to kill you.

Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.


i158.photobucket.com

Came to say this. Glad that you seem to have it covered.
2012-06-16 11:16:55 PM
2 votes:

phedex: I have definitely noticed a serious change in my overall sense of well being since I cut out most sugar. I recently drastically altered my diet, one of the things being junk food and soda (regular or diet). I've had a few diet sodas over the last month, whereas I was drinking a few per day every day for years. And buying regular soda on the weekend, candy bars, etc. I do still put a few packets of sugar in my first coffee of the day, but thats a drop in the river compared to how much overall sugar I was getting into, not even considering the amount of junk carbs i was getting from chips and reese cups.

It was really surprising just how much it was affecting me. I've been very active since my early twenties in terms of working out, but around 9 months ago something kicked in and while I didnt stop exercising, crap food just started getting into me, and it just became easy to eat shiat. I know it was my own fault, but i was definitely craving it on par with nicotine or anything else addictive (from experience).

I'm now down 12lbs, with about 25 to go to get back to my ideal weight. Crap food habits can literally get into anyone, I dont judge. And it is addicitve. and there is definitely a difference for the better that you will notice if you give it up. I'm horny more often, I swear my skin and face looks healthier. I'm not shiatting 3x a day.

Once I get back down to 200, I will definitely allow myself a treat once in a while. york peppermint patty or something. But for now until I get to that and feel i have full control of my compulsions again, no more!

/fark Sugar


Very nice.

Here are a few tips:

To get sugar out of your coffee, switch to lightly roasted. Dark roasted is the norm because it helps mask the bad flavor of cheap beans (which is why it's so dark roast is so prevalent in coffee chains -- they're using cheap beans). The darker you roast the beans, the more bitter the coffee tastes, which is what drives people to put sugar in it.

With breakfast, if you haven't done it yet, try steel cut oatmeal. Very low in calories, and it easily absorbs the flavor of sweetener, so all it takes is a little brown suger to sweeten it up. Also, it's dirt cheap -- buy it in the bulk grain section of the supermarket rather than already canned.

Greek Yogurt. It's the food of gods. Low in calories and very high in protein. My favorite by far is Chobani. You can also use plain greek yogurt as a dairy substitute for cooking.

If you want to have just a salad for a meal but find it's not filling enough, add a legume to it. Low in calories, high in protein and fiber.

Cut out pasta and replace with farro.
2012-06-16 11:03:21 PM
2 votes:
Sometimes, I want to go through the grocery store and cover every "low fat", "less fat", and "no fat" marking on packages with stickers that say "high sugar content".
2012-06-16 10:56:12 PM
2 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.

Ancient people who ate lots of fruit still left skeletons with heads full of pearly white teeth. They didn't use toothpaste, either.

Anyone who tries to tell you refined sugar is the same as all sugars is full of shiat, or trying to kill you.


Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.
2012-06-16 10:44:05 PM
2 votes:

miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.


A Princeton University study shows this isn't true.
2012-06-16 10:38:51 PM
2 votes:

Elephantman: trivial use of my dark powers: Fat people don't cost the system big gobs of money anymore than the smokers--they tend to die before they get elderly and become REALLY expensive.

All you health freaks, you're costing all of us, you selfish preeks. Put down the tofu and eat some fries for heaven's sake.


It costs more to care for healthy people who live years longer, according to a Dutch study that counters the common perception that preventing obesity would save governments millions of dollars.

The researchers found that from age 20 to 56, obese people racked up the most expensive health costs. But because both the smokers and the obese people died sooner than the healthy group, it cost less to treat them in the long run.
On average, healthy people lived 84 years. Smokers lived about 77 years, and obese people lived about 80 years. Smokers and obese people tended to have more heart disease than the healthy people.
Cancer incidence, except for lung cancer, was the same in all three groups. Obese people had the most diabetes, and healthy people had the most strokes. Ultimately, the thin and healthy group cost the most, about $417,000, from age 20 on.
The cost of care for obese people was $371,000, and for smokers, about $326,000.
The results counter the common perception that preventing obesity will save health systems worldwide millions of dollars.

"Lung cancer is a cheap disease to treat because people don't survive very long," van Baal said. "But if they are old enough to get Alzheimer's one day, they may survive longer and cost more."


You see as a smoker I'm doing my patriotic duty as an American. I support American jobs (tobacco growers and cigarette makers) I shop local (mom and pop liquor store near me) I support the government (cigarette taxes and dying quicker to save them even more money)...but yet we are still considered sub-human...run out of bars...banned from beaches..now even banned from smoking in our own homes. Us smokers should be celebrated for our selfless service to this country. We sacrifice ourselves so that the non-smokers can die a long agonizing death in retirement homes without the guilt of overtaxing the government to provide for them. We should all get a medal of Freedom for smoking! We should get a national holiday! I want a parade dammit with those big balloons of cartoon characters! I am a smoker! I do it for the world!
2012-06-16 10:32:10 PM
2 votes:
I work with about 15 surgeons-5 of whom do back surgeries, it is quite common for them to tell patients to loose say.....100 (!) pounds before even possibly talking about surgery. Even though the relative merits of BMI are debated, someone with a BMI of 49.8 is a human cue ball. How can the skeletal structure function when its so over loaded? I see it all day, every day. It's getting so bad, that even the largest wheel chairs aren't quite big enough for some patients.......let alone getting them through the exam room door......
2012-06-16 10:31:18 PM
2 votes:
Dr Lustig is a vile hack that has very little to no understanding of human physiology. He is the one responsible for this fear mongering. Kind of reminds me of the fear mongering that was done against saturated fats, leading us to use transfats instead, which turned out to be way more dangerous. Why is everybody ignoring the fact that since 1975 our average daily calorie consumption has gone up more than 200 calories a day, our lives have become more sedentary, and public knowledge of nutrition has actually declined because of a bunch of fear mongering snake oil salesmen?

It's really a simple equation:

calorie consumption up + activity down= more obesity. But I guess that's too simple, doesn't give you something to blame, and isn't interesting enough to sell books about.
2012-06-16 10:16:50 PM
2 votes:

astouffer: Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.


Try the kosher section. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the kosher-for-Passover version of Fox's U-Bet chocolate syrup was made with proper sugar, although it's made with HFCS for most of the rest of the year.

/catholic, so what the fark do i know
2012-06-16 10:14:39 PM
2 votes:

GeneralJim: Sugar has long been known to be unhealthy. Many peer-reviewed articles, and media scare stories, including Fark references, have shown that. But the rush to tax and/or ban is simply farking stupid. Let people KNOW, by all means, and then let them decide.

/ Farking control freaks...


People who abuse sugar have health problems. Those health problems cost EVERYONE money by increasing the cost of private health insurance and the taxes that people pay towards medicare.

/let's throw some gas on this fire
2012-06-16 10:04:53 PM
2 votes:
It's not the sugar that's killing people. They keep putting that shiat in DHMO. THAT is what's killing us.
2012-06-16 10:04:24 PM
2 votes:
The effects of both are the same.

I_Am_Weasel: Everything in moderation, but those who abuse sugar deserve a good caning.


The incidental sugar they add to everything, especially salty foods to hide the quantity of salt they use, undermines one's attempt to track and moderate their sugar intake.
2012-06-16 10:02:17 PM
2 votes:
Sugar or corn syrup?
2012-06-17 08:25:28 AM
1 votes:
Not ingesting the "white death" is something bodybuilders have known for decades.
Why anyone would wanna be fat and have rotten teeth is beyond me!
2012-06-17 04:31:23 AM
1 votes:
Corvus:
The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.

You really should try to avoid criticizing others, since you apparently can't even construct a sentence. And, I can also assure you that insulin plays a very major role in weight gain, and your vehemence in denouncing others who discuss it does not make up for your lack of knowledge. I'm sorry you're so ignorant, but it really is not my job to educate you. I can tell you, however, that you will look significantly less stupid if you quit going off on people who know much more than you do. Just sayin'.
2012-06-17 03:54:37 AM
1 votes:
My metabolism is farked. Thinking back, it's been so at least since I was 10 (1991).

I'm 5'10" and my peak weight was right around 270. That was very fat.

These days I'm between 160 and 165 and watch my diet pretty closely. Apparently that's rather skinny, although I still see the same person in the mirror as I did at 270.

Things that I've learned about my own metabolism (and no one else's) in the last few years are as follows:
1) The wheat that was engineered in the 1950's is farking poison and shouldn't be eaten.
2) Vegetable oil is nasty shiat and shouldn't be eaten by me.
3) Sugar isn't good and will cause me to balloon rather quickly. (fark if I care if the sugar came from a beet, sugar cane, or corn.)
4) Gorging and fasting works well for me. (ie. 2k calories in a meal followed by nothing for 16+hours.)
5) 50-70% of my calories from fat works for me. Mostly because steamed veggies have damn near no calories and ribeye is farking awesome.
6) Alcohol doesn't hurt my metabolism. (Yay for a scotch liver/brown fat.)
7) Carbs beyond about 100g/day will make me gain weight. If I'm lifting, that's a good thing. If not, it's not.
2012-06-17 03:23:15 AM
1 votes:

jaylectricity: spaten: Seriously, the left is more authoritarian then the right and have less of a clue.

Actually, anybody who identifies with the "left" or the "right" is more authoritarian than anybody else.

The rest of us just point and laugh.


Better start paying attention, those bastards are in charge. The only shiatheads who get into politics are authoritarian.

thechive.files.wordpress.com
2012-06-17 01:53:35 AM
1 votes:

Corvus: Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?


They also eat lots and lots of fish, soybean products, soups, and very small portions of red-meat.

There's a similar phenomena with the french diet which is high in fats, butter, sauces, breads and wine with meals.
But again they eat much smaller portions than Americans and green salads and fresh veggies. Plus they take their time to eat instead of 'fast food' 20 min lunches.

Same goes for Mediterranean diets--small portions of red meats, grains like couscous, and lots of fish and vegetables and of course olive oil.

Trying to look at one key item in a diet that's bad--is ignoring the balance of meal.

IMHO for Americans it's portion size and high sugars and eat quick until bloated and feed again a bit later makes the US fat.
2012-06-17 01:42:28 AM
1 votes:
All you have to do is travel the world a bit to see why Americans are so fat. It's really not that hard to understand. People here eat crap, they are not active, and they eat portions that are too big. That's it. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I guess because to paraphrase Chris Rock, there's no money in the simple answer.
2012-06-17 01:32:05 AM
1 votes:

PillsHere: coco ebert: I think many people, myself included, don't realize how much sugar and HFCS there is in everything, even things that aren't sweet. Try to find sugar-free toast bread, for instance. It's really hard.A

That's been my big shock as well. I was making a turkey sandwich the other day and I looked at the labels of this delicious garlic mustard I love and saw it had sugar, then I looked at the dill pickles and saw they contained HFCS. It's probably a minor amount, but I was still surprised as I don't associate either of these foods with having sugar since they're not sweet. It's been happening a lot lately now that I'm aware. So much for just not eating sweets :/.


It's really quite amazing. I only started noticing because my hubby is Swiss and is a chef and he couldn't believe how hard it was to find foods without sugar or HFCS in the U.S.in Switzerland there's a lot less of that kind of thing. I think in the end you just have to cook with as many basic ingredients as possible. Even bread!!
2012-06-17 01:25:56 AM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: You think glucose is a toxin? Try living without it, and we'll see what happens.


I heard some other idiot say this once in person. They have no farking clue what the word "toxin" means and they want us to take them serious on thier BS of pretending the obesity epidemic of the last 30 years was cause 10,000 years ago. They are a bunch of idiots.

Sugar is a "toxin" great show me deaths from OD of direct ingestion of sugar! I'll bet someone here I can ingest any amount of sugar that's possible cosumable and not die. Anything else that is a real toxin there is some point you will die from taking it.

The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.
2012-06-17 01:12:37 AM
1 votes:
Anyone who makes a statement like "Sugar is a toxin," is either a fear monger or a moron. Reason is that we absolutely rely on a sugar, glucose, to live. It is a metabolic intermediary and important source of energy. You have no glucose in you, you will die.

There are many sugars out there, sucrose, the common table sugar is 50/50 glucose and fructose. Fructose is the sugar you find in plants a whole lot, also in honey, and of course HFCS. There are also more complex sugars like maltose, lactose, and so on.

So the concept of "sugar" being toxic is just retarded. No, a sugar is a requisite for life and is present in your blood at all times. Now, could one of the other sugars be problematic? Maybe, but then of course we'd need to see some research showing how and why. After all if you are talking about table sugar, sucrose, it is as mentioned a 50/50 combo of glucose and fructose. You can't very well argue that the glucose part is toxic, and as mentioned fructose is what you get in fruit so unless you are arguing that is toxic that's out too. That would only leave some strange combo as being bad and you'd have to have some good evidence to back that up.

So as I said, either a fear monger or a moron if you call it a toxin.
2012-06-17 12:40:26 AM
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.


So true.

I'm a grad student, though I'm in my 30's. Walking around campus nowadays, I see a HUGE difference between the size of students when I first went to college (1995) and today. Even in that brief 12 year period, there's a notable difference in the size in students.

I'm a married 30-something MOTHER and I'm skinnier than most 18 year olds on campus. How is that friggin' possible?
2012-06-17 12:38:52 AM
1 votes:

Gawdzila: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Actually, based on the comments in this thread, it seems that now hfcs is bad... Yeah, that's it. Just replace hfcs with real refined sugar! Then our sedentary lifestyles and overeating will be nullified.

I don't recall anyone making that particular claim.


I am pretty drunk right now, so I may have simply made up all those "hfcs is in everything! and the body processes differently than sugar!" comments. To my credit though, that is a popular sentiment in past sugar threads.
2012-06-17 12:34:19 AM
1 votes:

StoneColdAtheist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.

LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?


Well, I don't know if this explains it, but I'm sort of the opposite. I'm from a southern family and we'd have pitchers of sweet tea with dinner every night. I'm talking 2 cups of sugar sweet. Now, as an adult, I drink mainly water, or if I'm at a restaurant I might order an unsweetened tea. Every once in a while the order will get messed up and I'll take a sip of sweet tea and it tastes like syrup to me.
2012-06-17 12:30:18 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.


LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?
2012-06-17 12:29:22 AM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: iaazathot: Some of the most compelling evidence was in China where they could watch fairly homogenous regions during a time of low population motility over a period of a decade or more.

I thought the China Study was debunked.


It was.
2012-06-17 12:28:36 AM
1 votes:

iaazathot: Gawdzila: vodka: Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.

There is actually very little evidence that fat intake -- even saturated fat -- has anything to do with heart disease or any other malady.
There is plenty of evidence, however, that high sugar intake causes all sorts of problems, including diabetes, obesity, and their attendant health issues.

Now, I'm not saying that sugar is evil, or toxic, or any of that other nonsense. But it IS worse than just about anything else to eat in excess, especially if you lead an inactive lifestyle.


guises: Reverting back to how things were before is not a solution. There's a reason why there was a craze to remove so much fat from our packaged foods - people were getting fat.

//

Our bodies process HFCS very differently than they do honey or raw sugar. That is very important to understand. The HFCS industry is fighting very hard to argue that table sugar and HFCS are exactly the same, but they are not.

The bottom line is that food companies want to increase profits at the cost of the health of the general populace. Yes, we can choose not to eat those products, but that is becoming increasingly difficult, especially for poor people (yep even food is stratified according socio-conomic status).

With food resources being controlled by fewer and fewer corporwant to increase profits at the cost of the health of the general populace. Yes, we can choose not to eat those products, but that is becoming increasingly difficult, especially for poor people (yep even food is stratified according socio-conomic status).

With food resources being controlled by fewer and fewer corporate interests, the ability to avoid HFCS is harder and harder.

Interesting to note that some of those studies in the 1950s did show some pretty interesting evidence that animal based fats increased cancer rates. Some of the most compelling evidence was in China where they could watch fairly homogenous regions during a time of low population motility over a period of a decade or more.

Eating a diet of more than 12% in animal fats and proteins increases your risk of cancer and heart disease fairly significantly. The heart disease can be mitigated by other factors, such as exercise or balancing the diet with other factors to reduce risk. The cancer, not so much. ...


Ah. The China Study... So many flaws.

I'll leave this one to Denise Minger: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
2012-06-17 12:21:57 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: We went through the whole "sugar is bad" thing when I was a wee lass. For a while it was all about how sugar was evil, and everyone went for honey or maltose as a sweetener because of Evil Sugar Manufacturers. For a while it was thought that WHITE sugar was bad so everyone was using brown sugar, till they finally realized brown sugar is just white sugar with molasses.

Then it was RAW sugar, because it was the "processing" that made white sugar bad sugar, and those little packets of "Raw" sugar were showing up in coffee shops. For a while it was corn syrup or Karo, because that wasn't the kind of sugar that was over processed.

Then it was something else--Splenda, I believe--and then for a while regular white sugar was okay again. Now we're back to oo bad sugar evil. I'm going to invest in honey futures and a new "Raw Sugar" franchise, just to plan ahead.


Actually, based on the comments in this thread, it seems that now hfcs is bad... Yeah, that's it. Just replace hfcs with real refined sugar! Then our sedentary lifestyles and overeating will be nullified.
2012-06-17 12:20:25 AM
1 votes:

Dwedit: [i.imgur.com image 492x441]

Because fruit is sugar-free.


An argument has to be made that the same amount of sugar from fruit is better for you because it's accompanied by a load of fiber. Which is why fruit juice is evil.
2012-06-17 12:17:34 AM
1 votes:
I hate media coverage of medical topics. The evidence does not even come close to any of the claims made here. The "X IS GONNA KILL YOU" followed by "X maybe is not GONNA KILL YOU" followed by "X IS NOT NEARLY THE PROBLEM THAT SCIENTISTS THOUGHT, Y IS THE REAL CULPRIT! (and gonna kill you)" makes it nearly impossible for the average person to trust medical science. The medical community needs to do better "disambiguation".
2012-06-17 12:17:01 AM
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: It looks like the salt intake/death relationship is maybe going to be a curve with a (broad) sweet spot for salt intake. ... I don't worry about the saturated fat much, or salt at all, although I might if I had high blood pressure.


Yeah, I'd agree with that. Blood pressure issues seem highly genetic, and salt intake is not correlated particularly with long term blood pressure problems, although as you said, it is more important for people who already have high BP. My salt intake is astronomical (I'm Mexican -- we make candy that is literally made of salt), but I've never had blood pressure problems and my family in general does not develop them.
2012-06-17 12:13:40 AM
1 votes:
2012-06-17 12:07:27 AM
1 votes:

frestcrallen: GeneralJim: Sugar has long been known to be unhealthy. Many peer-reviewed articles, and media scare stories, including Fark references, have shown that. But the rush to tax and/or ban is simply farking stupid. Let people KNOW, by all means, and then let them decide.

/ Farking control freaks...

What the hell, I'll bite. Evolutionary biology shows that we've evolved to need coercion. The general populace can't control its appetite for sugar, so the state has to do it for them. I, for one, welcome our new Sugar Police overlords. Don't worry, you still have the right to bear arms.


What's hillarious is that people decrying the government's influence gloss over the billions of marketing dollars that go into marketing to coerce you into eating the stuff. Yeah, you have free will...right after this commercial break...

I used to love my students who would practically sob that behavior can't be measured or quantified whenever that concept would mean that we could measure racism or other bad things. Typically these same kids were business majors studying marketing/communications. I would point out that marketing firms spend oodles of money to do just that and get them to make decisions agains their own best interests.

Some people are just stupid.
2012-06-17 12:02:25 AM
1 votes:
Sugars. You will die without them...but don't let that stop you.
2012-06-17 12:01:20 AM
1 votes:

Boudica's War Tampon: smadge1: hey foodies!
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x413]

Oh yeah? Take this!

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mattcbr.files.wordpress.com
2012-06-17 12:00:42 AM
1 votes:

EbolaNYC: BlippityBleep: lulz y'all thought the authoritarian busybodies would stop with tobacco.

How about we start pricing health insurance by the pounds of fat you carry around instead?


a farker posted this a bit ago: Healthy people cost more than smokers or obese people, and it looks like we should tax healthy people the most.

or, we could use common sense and decency and make it flat rate for everybody because nobody really knows what the hell will happen to them in their life.
2012-06-16 11:57:34 PM
1 votes:

guises: Arr, more awful science reporting. This all started when Robert Lustig decided to start going around making declarations about sugar without any evidence to back it up. He may well be right, but none of the studies that would show it have completed yet. That's why crappy articles like this one resort to "some scientists say" and opinions from individuals who are willing to go out on a limb like Lustig.

Poor reporting like this is why you get health fads like the antioxident thing, or "hydrating."


No. Lustig has lots of actual verifiable science on his side. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it invalid.

I quit eating sugar regularly a year ago. I dropped 30 pounds, my blood pressure and cholesterol returned to normal levels, and I feel 10 times better. I didn't change anything else-- I still eat whatever I want, as long as it doesn't have added sugar in it.

The sugar in prepared foods can be avoided by cooking and eating real food. It's not that hard. Plus, real food tastes a lot better.

I'm not fanatical about it, either. On special occasions, I'll still eat sweet stuff-- tomorrow for Father's Day, one of my sons is making me blueberry scones for breakfast, and a carrot cake with cream cheese icing for supper.

Just because you give up sugar, you don't have to give up sweets. For example, for most breakfasts, I have an oatmeal smoothie, sweetened with stevia. Sometimes it's chocolate, sometimes vanilla, sometimes I make it with frozen unsugared fruit. I grind up the oatmeal in a spice grinder, so you can't really tell it's in the smoothie, but you get that high fiber whole grain thing out of what tastes like a milkshake.

The deal with sugar is not so much that it's toxic. Or at least, it's not any more toxic than alcohol, which is okay in moderation. But Americans are not moderate when it comes to consuming sugar. The increase in sugar consumption tracks very closely with the increase in metabolic disease.

That ought to make folks wonder.
2012-06-16 11:41:36 PM
1 votes:
Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields,
Sold in a market down in new orleans.
Scarred old slaver know he's doin alright.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good
(a-ha) brown sugar, just like a young girl should
A-huh.

Drums beating, cold english blood runs hot,
Lady of the house wondrin where it's gonna stop.
House boy knows that he's doin alright.
You should a heard him just around midnight.
Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good
(a-ha) brown sugar, just like a black girl should
A-huh.

I bet your mama was a tent show queen, and all her boy
Friends were sweet sixteen.
Im no schoolboy but I know what I like,
You should have heard me just around midnight.

Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good
(a-ha) brown sugar, just like a young girl should.

I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like a, just like a black girl should.

I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like, just like a black girl should.
2012-06-16 11:26:42 PM
1 votes:

miss marla singer: I know you are being sarcastic but it is surprising how so many people don't know that table sugar is half fructose and half sucrose[glucose]. And that people think eating fruit is very good when that's just ALL fructose. Sigh.


yeah. And table salt is 50% Sodium, a metal that explodes on contact with water, and 50% Chlorine, a gas used for warfare in WWI.

So it must be super badass!

/chemistry, how does it work?
2012-06-16 11:26:12 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.


I grew up in the 80's and have never heard that. However, the anti-fat thing is engrained in my head. I remember being a kid and thinking, hey pasta isn't bad for me because it has low fat and other such ideas.

I'm not much of a sugar consumer in the sense that I don't eat sweets, I don't drink regular soda (yes I know how bad diet is as well but I still like it from time to time :/), and I never add sugar to anything like drinks or cereal. I do like beer/wine and fruit though so there is that.

However, it's become quite disturbing to me to read labels and find out how basically everything gets sugar added to it, even foods that aren't sweet in the slightest bit. Since I hate sweet flavors, I always thought I was avoiding sugar consumption for the most part, but I didn't realize I was eating it in basically every processed food I bought :/.

I've just resigned to the fact that we can't win if we eat processed food. And by processed, I don't just mean twinkies and chips. Unfortunately almost all the food sold is processed to some degree though. It seems like unless you're out there growing your own vegetables, hunting your own meat, milking your own cow, and harvesting your own chicken eggs you're screwed. Or at least that's what the fear-mongering articles that get published every hour have lead me to believe.
2012-06-16 11:25:22 PM
1 votes:
spaten: Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.

miss marla singer: Fruits of today are MUCH, MUCH sweeter than fruits of the paleolithic era.

I'll have to look into these theories sometime.

Here is a mainstream, one. The data is from prehistoic burials:

Link
2012-06-16 11:24:50 PM
1 votes:

vodka: Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.


There is actually very little evidence that fat intake -- even saturated fat -- has anything to do with heart disease or any other malady.
There is plenty of evidence, however, that high sugar intake causes all sorts of problems, including diabetes, obesity, and their attendant health issues.

Now, I'm not saying that sugar is evil, or toxic, or any of that other nonsense. But it IS worse than just about anything else to eat in excess, especially if you lead an inactive lifestyle.


guises: Reverting back to how things were before is not a solution. There's a reason why there was a craze to remove so much fat from our packaged foods - people were getting fat.


This is actually quite wrong.
The reason isn't that people were getting fat, the reason is that someone published a highly flawed study back in the 50's that insinuated that the Western lifestyle was unhealthy simply by looking at heart disease rates in other countries. However, it failed to take into account any other primarily Western activities such as smoking (EXTREMELY ubiquitous during that time), and ignored data from other many other countries that didn't fit their conclusions.

/Here is a peer-reviewed article on the subject that you may find illuminating
//Science, Vol.291
///Another one from Men's Health
2012-06-16 11:23:06 PM
1 votes:
I've have a lot of opinions on this and similar topics but I think it can be boiled down into: don't buy food, buy ingredients and make you own breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yes it takes more time, tough shait. People say we should eat lower on the food chain, I say we should eat lower down the food processing chain. Prepare your own meals and you won't have to worry about too much sugar...too much salt...too much fat...too much dilithium crystals..or whatever it is that is supposed to be killing us.

/eat more vegetables too
2012-06-16 11:18:47 PM
1 votes:

Jack Kerouac: Having not read the thread or TFA, I still want to say that when I abstained from sugar, I thought that even fruit was super sweet. Seriously, a banana was almost too sweet for me. These days, I just eat whatever I want within reason, and avoid stupid shiat like "low fat", while eating reasonable foods like bacon, eggs and high quality meats and veggies. It's never been easier to maintain my weight, even while drinking more booze than the average farker. If anything, eating high quality fats and protein while avoiding crap carbs as much as possible has made it harder to gain weight. And I desperately need to gain farkin' weight. I'm 5' 10" and 155 lbs, male, and I eat bacon, eggs and potatoes every day for breakfast. My blood work is phenomenal, and I'm so awesome I don't even need to be at the gym in 26 minutes. The gym comes to me.

/Need more coconut oil.
//That stuff is my bestestest friend evar


I have had so many people tell me to cut sugar, eliminate refined carbs, etc. It's almost impossible for me to do that! The more I think about reducing my intake of sugar/refined carbs, the more I want it! But then my personal trainer told me NOT to cut carbs but to simply increase my proteins. He suggested eggs, protein shakes, etc. - lots of high-protein, low-carb meals. Suddenly, I stopped eating those refined carbs, not because I was TRYING to avoid them, but because the protein kept my sugar levels stable and I wasn't craving them at all. Had he told me to cut the carbs, I would've had a heck of a time doing it. But instead he gave me something to replace them with, and I no longer wanted them.
2012-06-16 11:17:45 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.


And now people buy sugar and fat free food that is instead full of mysterious chemicals, many of which turn out to be bad for us each year.
2012-06-16 11:17:24 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.


not true at all. Born in '81. real butter is amazing. I still have nightmares about my mom making popcorn and melting margarine to pour on it. yech.

/They also microwaved hamburgers wrapped in saran wrap.
2012-06-16 11:16:47 PM
1 votes:

MarkEC: Fat is one of the ingredients taken out to prolong shelf life, not added in.


It's not about prolonging shelf life, it's about making old food still feel moist when you eat it. They certainly do take out unsaturated fats for the sake of prolonging shelf life, but they often add more heavily saturated fats back in - saturated fats stay good for a very long time and have a higher melting point, which gives a better feel in the mouth for many foods.

There's no debate that fat makes you feel fuller for longer, but it also has more than double the calories of carbohydrates or protein so that's not exactly the end-all of the matter.
2012-06-16 11:16:34 PM
1 votes:

Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.


A good reason that the body evolved to use glucose as its basic fuel is that fructose is harder to deal with. Basically more damage potential..
2012-06-16 11:16:32 PM
1 votes:

boozerman:
You can blame the nutrients all you want, people are eating more than they used to. And doing less. Food is even more clearly labeled now than it ever was. Sugar isn't the villain, carbs aren't the villain, fat isn't the villain, over consumption of calories is the villain. That's in our control. People have lost grasp of moderation. And it is possible..


People say this but is there any evidence that today's meals are larger? I remember regularly eating meals as a kid that would dwarf anything you'll find at say, the Olive Garden.
2012-06-16 11:13:34 PM
1 votes:
Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.
2012-06-16 11:12:49 PM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: I wonder if these scare stories are coming up only because nobody has yet found a way to pimp sugar with pretentious foodie bullshiat like they do with other unhealthful-when-overdone products like coffee, alcohol, and even salt.


let me introduce you to

Evaporated Cane Juice

ecx.images-amazon.com
2012-06-16 11:09:03 PM
1 votes:
I dropped my soda intake to one day a month starting at the beginning of the year and I've lost 20 pounds without doing a lick of exercise, so Im getting a kick...
2012-06-16 11:08:47 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: Their tomato soup is still far to sweet for me tho....it didn't used to be that sweet.


Do a 6 oz can tomato paste, 3/4 c. water, and 1 1/2 c. milk. Add in about 1/2 tsp. sugar (or less, to taste), a pinch or two of salt, and spices/seasonings to taste. It's almost as quick as canned tomato soup but you can control the salt & sugar content of it.

/To make it even healthier, use skim milk.
//Even better? Coconut milk.
2012-06-16 11:04:10 PM
1 votes:

spaten: Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.


miss marla singer: Fruits of today are MUCH, MUCH sweeter than fruits of the paleolithic era.


I'll have to look into these theories sometime.
2012-06-16 10:55:06 PM
1 votes:

MarkEC: boozerman: calorie consumption up + activity down= more obesity. But I guess that's too simple, doesn't give you something to blame, and isn't interesting enough to sell books about.

One of the reasons calorie consumption is up is because of all the added sugar in everything. Remember the "fat is bad" craze decades ago when everything started coming out in low fat versions? Guess what they replaced the fat with? That's right, sugar. Put the fat back in and take the sugar out, and people will eat fewer calories because your system tells your brain you are full sooner when you eat fat compared to sugar.


You can blame the nutrients all you want, people are eating more than they used to. And doing less. Food is even more clearly labeled now than it ever was. Sugar isn't the villain, carbs aren't the villain, fat isn't the villain, over consumption of calories is the villain. That's in our control. People have lost grasp of moderation. And it is possible.

I do, myself, compose my diet of mostly whole and lightly processed foods. I enjoy some added sugar every day as well. But I have found buying eggs, meat, cheese dairy, whole grain pastas, rice, oats, veggies, etc that my grocery bill went down when I made the change from highly processed foods. People just don't want to take time or accountability anymore, that's fine. Don't blame the sugar though.
2012-06-16 10:54:51 PM
1 votes:
I have definitely noticed a serious change in my overall sense of well being since I cut out most sugar. I recently drastically altered my diet, one of the things being junk food and soda (regular or diet). I've had a few diet sodas over the last month, whereas I was drinking a few per day every day for years. And buying regular soda on the weekend, candy bars, etc. I do still put a few packets of sugar in my first coffee of the day, but thats a drop in the river compared to how much overall sugar I was getting into, not even considering the amount of junk carbs i was getting from chips and reese cups.

It was really surprising just how much it was affecting me. I've been very active since my early twenties in terms of working out, but around 9 months ago something kicked in and while I didnt stop exercising, crap food just started getting into me, and it just became easy to eat shiat. I know it was my own fault, but i was definitely craving it on par with nicotine or anything else addictive (from experience).

I'm now down 12lbs, with about 25 to go to get back to my ideal weight. Crap food habits can literally get into anyone, I dont judge. And it is addicitve. and there is definitely a difference for the better that you will notice if you give it up. I'm horny more often, I swear my skin and face looks healthier. I'm not shiatting 3x a day.

Once I get back down to 200, I will definitely allow myself a treat once in a while. york peppermint patty or something. But for now until I get to that and feel i have full control of my compulsions again, no more!

/fark Sugar
2012-06-16 10:53:06 PM
1 votes:

boozerman: Whatthefark: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

A Princeton University study shows this isn't true.

Before I click on this link and read the study, I want to be sure it's not another rat study. Since rats have a radically different physiology than humans and digest fructose differently than we do. Fructose in rats adds fat really easily because of De novo lipogenesis, an event that is very rare to see in humans, unless you are eating ungodly amounts of pure fructose.

So, before I click, rat or human study?


Rat study.
2012-06-16 10:50:22 PM
1 votes:

DrPainMD: I remember the good old days, when liberals said, "it's my body... I'll do what I want with it."


Like before corn subsidies made junk food so cheap?
2012-06-16 10:50:15 PM
1 votes:

trivial use of my dark powers: Fat people don't cost the system big gobs of money anymore than the smokers--they tend to die before they get elderly and become REALLY expensive.

All you health freaks, you're costing all of us, you selfish preeks. Put down the tofu and eat some fries for heaven's sake.


Fat people cost money, diabetes is one of the most expensive preventable, reversible conditions out there... we spend billions of dollars a year on enabling people to continue with unhealthy lifestyles... there are some diabetes causes that are not food-induced, but I'd wager that a vast majority of current cases are sugar intake related.
2012-06-16 10:49:46 PM
1 votes:

Whatthefark: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

A Princeton University study shows this isn't true.


Before I click on this link and read the study, I want to be sure it's not another rat study. Since rats have a radically different physiology than humans and digest fructose differently than we do. Fructose in rats adds fat really easily because of De novo lipogenesis, an event that is very rare to see in humans, unless you are eating ungodly amounts of pure fructose.

So, before I click, rat or human study?
2012-06-16 10:47:19 PM
1 votes:
Hey, you know, cyanide is just carbon and nitrogen, so it really can't hurt you.
2012-06-16 10:47:15 PM
1 votes:

Oznog: Dr.Zom: LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.

I repeat, that roll of fat around the middle of an otherwise normal shaped human, was rare as hell. That never showed up until HFCS started being added to everything. There's something about that shiat that condenses fat around the middle.

As much as I love blaming corporations for stuff, HFCS is simply no different than sugar. It's about the same ratio of glucose and fructose, the ONLY difference is that in sucrose (sugar), there's a weak bond between them, making it a disaccharide form.

That bond gets broken before absorption into the digestive system, and it breaks pretty quickly. Then it's identical glucose+fructose molecules to HFCS.


I wasn't blaming corporations for anything. Nor was I saying that HFCS are the devil. All I'm saying is I see a grantedly anecdotal link between HFCS and that roll of fat around the middle that people get these days. Think about it, fat people get fat all over - they don't just gain weight around their middle in a roll.

I live in an area very popular with young people. I would say that half the women have this roll of fat. Their legs aren't fat, their asses aren't fat, their arms aren't fat, it's just the middle. This is not normal.
2012-06-16 10:38:46 PM
1 votes:
I wonder who sponsored the page break that puts this sentence at the end of the first page:

"Eliminating all sugar is a very drastic approach," said Michelle Stewart, a registered dietitian and certified diabetes educator from Hollywood, Fla. "The all-or-nothing approach doesn't work. It's not sustainable."

And this sentence on the next page, which most readers will not click through to:

All foods fit in a healthy diet, said Stewart, a paid consultant for theCoca-Cola Co. "Sugar is completely safe and should not be treated like alcohol. Having a healthy, balanced diet doesn't mean giving up everything that tastes good. The focus should be on calorie balance and moderation."

/adjusts tinfoil
2012-06-16 10:33:26 PM
1 votes:

Artist: I work with about 15 surgeons-5 of whom do back surgeries, it is quite common for them to tell patients to loose say.....100 (!) pounds before even possibly talking about surgery. Even though the relative merits of BMI are debated, someone with a BMI of 49.8 is a human cue ball. How can the skeletal structure function when its so over loaded? I see it all day, every day. It's getting so bad, that even the largest wheel chairs aren't quite big enough for some patients.......let alone getting them through the exam room door......


Is this a "yo mama so fat" joke gone horribly askew?
2012-06-16 10:31:30 PM
1 votes:

miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.


Um... Stop. Seriously. You are obviously a moron. Do you know what the "H" in HFCS stands for? High. As in HIGH fructose corn syrup. HFCS has HIGH fructose, while sugar has NO fructose at all. So yeah, HFCS is far worse than sugar. I hope the corn lobby paid you well for your public schilling.

/sarcasm off
2012-06-16 10:29:26 PM
1 votes:
What a lame attempt at covering the fact that they're just looking for another way to pillage pockets. Of course it won't reduce consumption. It'll just cost US more money.
2012-06-16 10:27:08 PM
1 votes:
I remember the good old days, when liberals said, "it's my body... I'll do what I want with it."
2012-06-16 10:26:15 PM
1 votes:

astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.


Dark Chocolate Reeses Peanut Butter Cups.
2012-06-16 10:24:46 PM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: astouffer: Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Try the kosher section. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the kosher-for-Passover version of Fox's U-Bet chocolate syrup was made with proper sugar, although it's made with HFCS for most of the rest of the year.

/catholic, so what the fark do i know


Passover Coke is the best thing ever.
2012-06-16 10:23:31 PM
1 votes:
Fat people don't cost the system big gobs of money anymore than the smokers--they tend to die before they get elderly and become REALLY expensive.

All you health freaks, you're costing all of us, you selfish preeks. Put down the tofu and eat some fries for heaven's sake.
2012-06-16 10:22:42 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Because fruit is sugar-free.
2012-06-16 10:15:00 PM
1 votes:
Arr, more awful science reporting. This all started when Robert Lustig decided to start going around making declarations about sugar without any evidence to back it up. He may well be right, but none of the studies that would show it have completed yet. That's why crappy articles like this one resort to "some scientists say" and opinions from individuals who are willing to go out on a limb like Lustig.

Poor reporting like this is why you get health fads like the antioxident thing, or "hydrating."
2012-06-16 10:13:30 PM
1 votes:
More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.
2012-06-16 10:13:06 PM
1 votes:
Ok, first step is to require manufacturers to stop adding it to everything they make.
2012-06-16 10:12:20 PM
1 votes:
2012-06-16 10:12:01 PM
1 votes:

Red Shirt Blues: So my diet of red wine, bourbon, meat, poultry, cheese, eggs, sausage and the occasional salad is ok then?


Works for the French and they have a far lower rate of heart disease than Americans.
2012-06-16 10:11:01 PM
1 votes:

kukukupo:
/it isn't sugar that is killing us
//How about the fact that we all sit on our asses and stare at a screen for 10 hours a day?


Clearly the way to end obesity is to shut down all the porn sites.
2012-06-16 10:10:20 PM
1 votes:
After counting up all the things I'm doing to shorten my life expectancy it turns out I've actually been dead for fourteen years.

SCIENCE!
2012-06-16 10:08:34 PM
1 votes:
So my diet of red wine, bourbon, meat, poultry, cheese, eggs, sausage and the occasional salad is ok then?
2012-06-16 10:08:22 PM
1 votes:
Sugar is addictive and works like a drug in that it makes people feel good and they desire increasingly large quantities of it to maintain that feeling. Fatties need rehab and counseling.
2012-06-16 10:08:15 PM
1 votes:
Sugar has long been known to be unhealthy. Many peer-reviewed articles, and media scare stories, including Fark references, have shown that. But the rush to tax and/or ban is simply farking stupid. Let people KNOW, by all means, and then let them decide.

/ Farking control freaks...
2012-06-16 10:07:17 PM
1 votes:
All well and good until you realize that beer contains sugar. At which point, fark you, "medical experts."

In all seriousness, it's not sugar that's killing the fatties, it's eating 7,000 calories a day. It just so happens that that diet contains a lot of sugar.
2012-06-16 10:04:58 PM
1 votes:
Sugar Life is killing us
2012-06-16 10:04:52 PM
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Everything in moderation, but those who abuse sugar deserve a good caning.


Someone should beet you for that.
2012-06-16 10:03:12 PM
1 votes:
img28.imageshack.us
So is AIR
2012-06-16 10:02:37 PM
1 votes:
eliminating added sugars - could reverse America's deadliest and costliest ills, including obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and many cancers, experts say.

Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.
2012-06-16 10:01:12 PM
1 votes:
Again?

http://www.fark.com/comments/6916277/Scientists-say-sugar-is-as-toxic - as-alcohol-there-should-be-a-drinking-age-for-soft-drinks

http://www.fark.com/comments/7024982/The-sugar-in-candy-booze-may-be- t oxic-Dear-God-What-does-this-mean-for-Skittlebru

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2012-06-16 09:41:28 PM
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Yes but it's so sweet and tasty!

/seriously i'm not giving up sugar, I'd rather it kill me than stop eating it.
 
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