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2012-06-17 05:09:30 AM  

Gawdzila: I'm not arguing that the Paleo Diet is great (hell I'm just assuming it is something like Atkins)


I see the problem. You don't even understand the context of what I am talking about. Maybe if you don;t understand what someone is referring to maybe instead of calling him an idiot or retard maybe you go "Hey I don't know about this and maybe these people know about something I don't and stay out of it."

I am not going to explain it all to you. If you want to learn about it, you can learn about it yourself. But don't get mad at other people because of your own ignorance about a subject.
 
2012-06-17 05:11:45 AM  
Corvus:
I see people trying to change the subject because they are afraid of answering those simple questions

People have been answering your questions, at least as well as the illiterate construction of them allows. The only people "afraid" of you are the people who believe that cognitive disorders are contagious.
 
2012-06-17 05:21:27 AM  

Corvus: Gawdzila: I'm not arguing that the Paleo Diet is great (hell I'm just assuming it is something like Atkins)

I see the problem. You don't even understand the context of what I am talking about. Maybe if you don;t understand what someone is referring to maybe instead of calling him an idiot or retard maybe you go "Hey I don't know about this and maybe these people know about something I don't and stay out of it."

I am not going to explain it all to you. If you want to learn about it, you can learn about it yourself. But don't get mad at other people because of your own ignorance about a subject.


You just want individuals to bow to your will. Have a great career in government!
 
2012-06-17 05:56:12 AM  
Sugar, ah honey honey
You are my candy girl
And you've got me wanting you.
Honey, ah sugar sugar
You are my candy girls
And you got me wanting you

I just can't believe the lovliness of loving you,
(I just can't believe it's true)
I just can't believe the one to love this feeling to
(I just can't believe it's true)

Sugar, ah honey hiney
you are my candy girl
and you got me wanting you
honey, ah sugar sugar
you are my candy girl
and you got me wanting you

When i kissed you girl I knew how sweet a kiss could be
(I know how sweet a kiss could be)
Like the summer sunshine pour you sweetness over me
(Pour your sweetness over me)

Pour a little sugar on it honey
Pour a little sugar on it Baby
I'm gonna make your life so sweet, yeah yeah yeah
pour a little sugar on it yeah
pour a little sugar on it honey
pour a little sugar on it baby
I'm gonna make your life so sweet, yeah yeah yeah
pour a little sugar on it honey

Ah sugar, ah honey honey
you are my candy girl
and you got me wanting you
Oh honey honey, sugar sugar..............
You are my candy girl
 
2012-06-17 07:08:58 AM  

cuzsis:
The problem is that EVERYTHING has farking high fructose corn syrup in it these days. Ketchup tastes just fine on it's own, it doesn't need sugar.



Gawdzila
:


While I'm not necessarily a fan of HFCS, I must point out that virtually any homemade ketchup recipe will include things like molasses and/or brown sugar. The entire flavor profile of ketchup is supposed a sweet/tangy combination. There IS NO ketchup without sugar.


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Eddie and Clark have some things to discuss with you.
 
2012-06-17 07:54:49 AM  

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Founder of American Sugar Refining Company
Worlds Greatest Monster

 
2012-06-17 08:01:29 AM  

Tellingthem: optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.

Heh I use butter on most things but as a kid we used imperial margarine a lot. I still use it on muffins and things like banana bread. It just doesn't taste the same without it.


I stopped using margarine after a little "science experiment" my wife and I did. We took a half full tub of the stuff we had and set it on top of the fridge, for about a year and a half, without opening it. When we finally did get around to looking at it (since we were prepping to move) we open the tub and find that it had separated into oil, and some whitish blob of solids. No smell. No growths of any sort.

Anything worth eating should have spoiled, smelled and started growing under those conditions.
 
2012-06-17 08:02:14 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Corvus: Vlad_the_Inaner: Do the Japanese eat a mixture of both high fat and simple carbs? Do paleos? Does the typical American?

Do the Japanese eat a diet of less caloriess? YES. Do Americans? NO

See I answer the questions, I don't try to change the subject like you.

No, you answered an imagined question.


You are so [xkcd]found a way to be superior to both[/xkcd], that you are missing a key issue. There are multiple variables in this equation, and number of calories is only one of them.

Insulin is a key part of this problem Eating N calories of simple carbs will stimulate the body storage of fat differently than N calories of non-carbohydrates. That is because eating carbs stiulates te release of insulin, where eating protein and fats basicaaly don't. Insulin is the hormone that tells cell to transport the calories into the cells. That why diabetics get fat lumps at insulin injection sites.

A good non-diet book on the subject is

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Good Calories, Bad Calories


so basically what your saying is calories in, calories out
 
2012-06-17 08:02:34 AM  
Oh, and since it's Sunday, there is NO substitute for butter and REAL MAPLE syrup on some delicious homemade (not bisquick) pancakes.
 
2012-06-17 08:10:37 AM  

thornhill: phed


Thanks for the tips. For breakfast I like to have a protein shake and an orange (and the coffee), which is about all I can stand in the morning; Used to I never even ate until lunch, because i'm just not hungry/food doesnt seem palatable at 6am. at lunch I eat one of the fiber-one bars and some blackberries/raspberries/whatever else fresh stuff I pick up on the way to work. Dinner I cook chicken and eat a couple bags of steam-in-the-bag vegetables. And for snacks? freaking celery.

BTW I am not going to lie, I miss chili cheese fritos like crazy.

Between all of that, and the amount of unsweetened tea/water i'm ingesting during the day now instead of soda, I'm still at a good place calorie wise, especially considering that i rarely take a day off of exercise anymore. I lift every other day, doing just cardio on the days i don't lift. I base that feeling on the fact that despite eating a ton less cal's per day, I don't ever feel worn out.

It really is amazing how much of a difference endurance wise I feel after just dropping what I already have.
 
2012-06-17 08:20:26 AM  

Corvus: ...I am the first to admit I am not an expert about the subject...


Really? Looks from here like your self-awareness-meter is badly broken.
 
2012-06-17 08:25:28 AM  
Not ingesting the "white death" is something bodybuilders have known for decades.
Why anyone would wanna be fat and have rotten teeth is beyond me!
 
2012-06-17 09:48:37 AM  

Buffet: Not ingesting the "white death" is something bodybuilders have known for decades.
Why anyone would wanna be fat and have rotten teeth is beyond me!


oh so that's why i'm fat
i thought it was kewl to drink soda after workouts, to replenish glycogen of course
 
2012-06-17 10:54:22 AM  

Corvus: Gawdzila: Corvus: Is WHITE RICE A SIMPLE STARCH? Yes or No?

Are you retarded?
I already explained this: a food's effect on your metabolic system cannot simply be categorized as "Simple Starch: Yes/No".
Rice contains starch, but it isn't the same as, say, a potato, and not remotely like a soda. If you have to simplify the discussion this much in order to make your point, it means your point is not worth making.

So the idea that making simple starches from the agricultural revolution makes us now fat is a bunch of BS because it's more complicated then that?

So under the Paleo religion diet white rice is fine to eat?


Wow, you are so confused. There is no suh thing as a "simple starch". Carbs are either simple or complex and all starches are complex by definition. I do not like paleo diet fanatics, but to assuage your rage, you should know that white rice is the one carb that they will eat when pressed. Now as far as the Japanese diet is concerned, other posters have tried to explain that their moderate consumption of simple carbs (aka sugar) in the Japanese diet leaves the Japanese metabolism healthy enough to process a diet high in carbohydrates.

Next time you see a paleo fanatic, challenge them to hike a mountain on their carb free diet (maybe notify emegency services if they take you up on it).
 
2012-06-17 11:23:39 AM  
The weight problem is just something we are going to have to let 'play out' on it's own. Either someone will finally invent a drug or drugs that works (maybe when people stop making so much money off of stupid diets and cornball exercise machines) or a bunch of people will die of diabetes without passing on their genetics or people will voluntarily adjust their behaviour.

Talking about it constantly really isn't going to help anything.
 
2012-06-17 11:24:58 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Buffet: Not ingesting the "white death" is something bodybuilders have known for decades.
Why anyone would wanna be fat and have rotten teeth is beyond me!

oh so that's why i'm fat
i thought it was kewl to drink soda after workouts, to replenish glycogen of course


Bodybuilding workouts/lifting doesn't strictly deplete glycogen. One should only consume sugar after a prolonged or intense cardio workout and the general rule is to consume something that also has a bit of protein in it (4:1 sugar:protein ratio). If you don't want to buy a mix, milk or chocolate milk is good. Yogurt is also good for recovery. If you are just lifting and you want muscle recovery or increase in muscle mass, drink a protein drink.

For weight loss make sure to consider your workout drinks in your daily calorie totals. And I think soda/hfcs is nasty, but if you really gotta have it, right after a cardio workout is the time to drink it.
 
2012-06-17 11:35:29 AM  

GeneralJim: Corvus: Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?
Yes, Japanese eat "a lot" of white rice.

No, Japanese is not a simple starch.

WTF does "Are Japanese more then then Americans?" even mean?

And, no, the statement is correct.

Japanese people do not over-eat in the same way as Americans do. They use rice as their staple, where as Americans use bread and potatoes. Rice is better, albeit not by much. The important factor is that they don't eat several times what they need. And, as the Japanese have not destroyed their bodies response to insulin by repeated blasting with the "sugar howitzer," their bodies can handle any excess starches they consume properly.

It's good to know that your knowledge of nutrition science is on a par with your knowledge of climate science. Consistency is important.


I think it also helps that food there costs a helluva lot more than in most places in the USA. Also, there are much fewer working mothers who cook meals for their kids like they used to in the USA. I'm sure I'll catch heck for that but I'm guessing it's a big help in keeping kids eating healthy.
 
2012-06-17 11:40:05 AM  

frestcrallen: [...]
What the hell, I'll bite. Evolutionary biology shows that we've evolved to need coercion. The general populace can't control its appetite for sugar, so the state has to do it for them. I, for one, welcome our new Sugar Police overlords. Don't worry, you still have the right to bear arms.


But...what if my favorite firearm is a super-soaker loaded with HFCS?
 
2012-06-17 11:40:14 AM  

elysive: Buffet: Not ingesting the "white death" is something bodybuilders have known for decades.
Why anyone would wanna be fat and have rotten teeth is beyond me!


After some thought (never had any such clients), I have to take back what I said about bodybuilding. It's very different from regular weight lifting and does deplete/rely on glycogen. Buffet, if you are or have been a bodybuilder, don't you use sugar (natural or processed) for exercise recovery?
 
2012-06-17 12:23:52 PM  

astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.


Even cranberry juice has HFCS in them now.
 
2012-06-17 01:49:35 PM  

Abox: Moonfisher: Sugar is addictive and works like a drug in that it makes people feel good and they desire increasingly large quantities of it to maintain that feeling. Fatties need rehab and counseling.


I crave sweets right after a meal but I find that if I can just ignore it for an hour the craving will subside.


One very small piece of dark chocolate does it for me.
 
2012-06-17 02:45:07 PM  

vodka: eliminating added sugars - could reverse America's deadliest and costliest ills, including obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and many cancers, experts say.

Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.



Here's a thought: READ THE DAMN ARTICLE, DUMBASS.

Not all calories equal

In the Nature article, scientists from the University of California-San Francisco blamed sugar consumption - which has tripled in the past 50 years - not only for the world's obesity epidemic, but also for 35 million deaths a year worldwide.

Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

"The pancreas wasn't made to handle high doses of unrefined sugars," said Mehta, 52, who cut sugar from his diet five years ago. "The strain is manifesting itself as disease. Our ancestors didn't have a lot of refined foods, and nothing in boxes, and they didn't have metabolic diseases."

Fifty years ago, diets were made up of about one-third fat, one-third protein and one-third carbohydrates - which includes sugar, Mehta said. Today, more than half of Americans' calories come from carbohydrates, most of which are refined starches and sugars.

Sugar promotes obesity because it's addictive, said Wood, author of "How Fat Works" (Harvard University Press). "The more you eat, the more you want. It stimulates cravings and promotes overeating."

As soon as you eat sugar or fructose, the pancreas responds by secreting insulin, which converts dietary sugar into glycogen, a fuel tissues can use.

However, when the body doesn't need the fuel immediately - and it often doesn't - insulin parks glycogen in cells where it is stored as fat, Wood said.

The stress on the pancreas makes the insulin-producing beta cells wear down. As they do, diabetes develops. The stress also puts people at risk for inflammation, which contributes to cardiovascular disease, he said.

"Cancer is also fed quite well under a nice supply of the growth-promoting hormone insulin," said Wood, which is why certain cancers track with diabetes.
 
2012-06-17 03:33:05 PM  
"I believe in everything in moderation; especially moderation"
-Julia Child
 
2012-06-17 05:44:12 PM  

Jragghen: Obligatory link to a talk which explaints it from a chemical perspective. Sugar: The Bitter Truth

It's long, but worth watching.


thanks for this! It has pretty much already changed my outlook on life (really).
 
2012-06-17 07:11:21 PM  

elysive: elysive: Buffet: Not ingesting the "white death" is something bodybuilders have known for decades.
Why anyone would wanna be fat and have rotten teeth is beyond me!

After some thought (never had any such clients), I have to take back what I said about bodybuilding. It's very different from regular weight lifting and does deplete/rely on glycogen. Buffet, if you are or have been a bodybuilder, don't you use sugar (natural or processed) for exercise recovery?


No ma'am I don't. My carbs come primarily from oats, rice, sweet potatoes, and salads, paying careful attention to the timing and glycemic load. Sucrose elicits too many peaks and valleys in serum glucose level, causing corresponding ones in energy levels and is hell on one's pancreas. It is a contributing factor to Metabolic Syndrome.
 
2012-06-17 08:01:00 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Gulper Eel: I wonder if these scare stories are coming up only because nobody has yet found a way to pimp sugar with pretentious foodie bullshiat like they do with other unhealthful-when-overdone products like coffee, alcohol, and even salt.

let me introduce you to

Evaporated Cane Juice

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


It can't just be marketed like that. It has to be Mountain-Breeze-Evaporated Fair-Trade Mozambican Jus de Canne.
 
2012-06-17 08:37:57 PM  

vodka: eliminating added sugars - could reverse America's deadliest and costliest ills, including obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and many cancers, experts say.

Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.


Yes actually it is. An insulin response is required to move blood sugar into fat cells.

Carbohydrates are converted to blood sugar which then results in an insulin response and fat deposition.

Fat consumption does not lead to an increase in blood sugar.

In other words fat consumption alone cannot lead to an increase in body fat. Carbohydrate consumption can and does. And sugar is pure carbohydrate.

Protein consumption generally does not get converted to blood sugar but only up to a certain point. If you consume more protein than your body can use it will get converted to blood sugar. But that would be a shiat load of protein - more than most people could eat.

Most of the huge guts you see waddling around today are the bodies that Coca Cola built. And Krispy Kreme. And Pepsi. And Budweiser. And Hershey. And McDonalds - they have sugar in the bread they use for hamburger buns. And even if they didn't the flour in the bread is also an excellent source of refined carbohydrate to be quickly converted to blood sugar.

An excellent overview can be found in the link below.

Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin. Series: UCSF Mini Medical School for the Public.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth
 
2012-06-17 08:45:43 PM  
^You are aware that all three macro nutrients illicit an insulin response, right? GI and insulin response of specific food are pretty useless though, as most people eat mixed meals in a non fasted state.
 
2012-06-17 09:42:40 PM  

WhippingBoy: Red Shirt Blues: So my diet of red wine, bourbon, meat, poultry, cheese, eggs, sausage and the occasional salad is ok then?

Actually, it probably is.


Right, the human body needs no fiber whatsoever.
 
2012-06-17 10:00:12 PM  

miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.

You're certainly getting riled up. Insulin has a LOT to do with weight gain. There are many books on the topic... but if you want it broken down simply, here's this guy: http://blog.massivehealth.com/infographics/Carbs_are_killing_you/


Relying on a picture instead of a legit peer-reviewed scientific study to support your claims? Strange strategy, but it should fool many.
 
2012-06-18 01:30:46 AM  

AbbeySomeone: qualtrough: Dr.Zom: LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.

I repeat, that roll of fat around the middle of an otherwise normal shaped human, was rare as hell. That never showed up until HFCS started being added to everything. There's something about that shiat that condenses fat around the middle.

I came of age in the sixties-early 70s, and sugar was everywhere. My mom served rice with butter and sugar for chrissakes. And yet, what you say is true. When I look back on the one girl in our neighborhood, that's right, one girl, who we thought of as 'fat', she would be totally unremarkable [insert anus joke here] in a lot of schools nowadays. My guess is that the causal factor is not one thing. It is increasingly sedentary lifestyles, abundance of food in huge portions (compare the 6 oz. Coke bottle from the 30s and 40s to the Big Gulp), and perhaps the change in the type of sweeteners used.

Me too. Hardly anyone was fat. Rice,butter, sugar and milk, yum. Fast food was a rare treat.
I remember people putting sugar on fruit salad and grapefruit.
Also all the kids walked or rode their bikes to school.


That is so true. When I went to school every kid walked or rode a bicycle. Now they all get dropped off by their parents even though the school is less than half a mile from most of their homes. When I look at my old class photos I marvel at how skinny the "fat" kids in my class actually were. As for skinny people in the 70s, I think sweating in polyester shirts had a lot to do with it. Man I hated those.
 
2012-06-18 08:29:20 AM  
As a diabetic, I invite everyone to try and have a day of minimal sugar intact. It's almost impossible.
They sneak sugar in everything because it's makes it more appetizing.
Your kids like those McDonald hamburger buns? Because sugar.
 
2012-06-18 05:39:20 PM  
Corvus:
morgantx: Corvus: 1) actually the tallest Japanese are those who come to America and that is because their diets in Japan are low in calcium.

Japanese diets tend not to be low in calcium, BTW. Soy is an extremely rich source of calcium, and soy in its myriad of forms is very common in many styles of Japanese cooking.

I'll tell that to my 6 feet tall Japanese cousins that they should be short because of their western diets. They'll love to hear the news.

What are you, twelve? However old you are, you are an apparently endless font of logically flawed arguments. An analogy for THIS one... no, wait, it's a HOMOLOGY, that is, an analogy in which every logical point is precisely the same... is as follows:

C: My car won't start because the battery is dead.
M: No, the battery is not dead -- it's turning over just fine, and only a charged battery does that.
C: Oh, well I'm so glad to know that my car starts.
 
2012-06-18 05:50:11 PM  
Corvus:
Can you give me the citation that they have as much calcium as people in the US?

And like I said before:

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POINT ABOUT OBESITY!!!

Why do you guys keep trying to change the subject.

Gee, as much as I hate to inject reality into your mindless rage, it was YOU who brought up calcium... HERE.

But, yes, I have to agree that people are morons for following YOU there, even if they were just trying to correct your MASSIVE ignorance. They should know better.
 
2012-06-18 06:34:38 PM  
Corvus:
Is that "chink in the armor" or is it a "hasty generalization"? Not sure. That's the one that global warming deniers and anti-evolution people use a lot too.

At the risk of internal redundancy, you're wrong, Corvus. The argument for alarmist responses to current warming are similar to those being put forward for reducing simple carbohydrate intake. When, say, five arguments are presented, and one of them fails, that still leaves four. But, in this case, or in the case of suggesting alarmist responses to the planet warming, we are talking NOT about five independent arguments, but ONE argument that is a chain of separate arguments. In that kind of situation, ANY of the arguments being false falsifies the whole argument. The "case" for alarmist responses to warming goes pretty much like this:

1. The planet is warming.
2. The warming is caused by carbon dioxide.
3. Humans have released lots of carbon dioxide.
4. The recent warming is, therefore, caused by humans.
5. The planet warming will cause problems.
6. Humans must fix the problem with warming.
7. The first world needs to send money to the third world.
8. We will allow carbon dioxide levels to rise, and redistributing wealth will correct the problem.

This is a chained argument -- ANY of the hypotheses making up the argument being false falsifies the whole argument.

Above, green statements are true, false statements are red, and statements not proved, or partially true, are in yellow-ish. As one can clearly see, there are several red statements, and several statements which are only partially true. So, panicked reactions to the climate are not necessary.


www.mediatinker.com
Oh, THAT'S what it looks like...

 
2012-06-18 07:00:02 PM  
Corvus:
Actually not really. This is the same "Global warming is not settled science" BS. The vast majority of people who are experts in the field about this subject thinks it's bullshiat. There was a recent report of nutritionists and scientist ranking diets on best to worst and Paleo was ranked the worst.

This is another logical fallacy, and apparently one of your favorites, the "Appeal to Authority." If fifty million people believe a fallacy, it's still a fallacy. And you additionally assume that "experts" whose livelihood depends on the answer to a few questions are going to be honest and straightforward. Your naivete, it makes me smile.

Rather than taking brainless polls of scientists, look at what the SCIENCE says. In the case of climate science, the science is pretty definite that the IPCC's estimates are so far off as to be risible. In the case of nutrition, it is clear that refined carbohydrates being a large part of one's diet is very unhealthy. Yelling about "paleo worshippers" and saying "they" say the ideas are "crap" is nowhere near helpful. (I'm still waiting for a "crap" quote, by the way.) So far, we only have YOUR word on it, and I don't trust you to understand a sentence of more than two words -- and both of them must be short.

This lack of adaptation to a diet of heavy refined carbohydrates is understandable, since refined carbohydrates have only been available to anyone but the rich for less than 150 years. Both refined white flour and mass production of sugar date from the late nineteenth century. That is NOT enough time for evolution to work to make it a reasonable food for people -- although diabetes and heart disease show that those unable to process it ARE being removed from the gene pool. But, it will take a while.
 
2012-06-18 07:17:06 PM  
Corvus:
Actually not really. This is the same "Global warming is not settled science" BS.

If it's science, it's not settled, and if it's settled, it's not science. Quite a few boneheads, like you, seem to insist that science is "done" on many things, and that the process of science is to take polls of scientists. Your utter and complete lack of understanding of the process of science makes argumentation with you nearly pointless, other than your providing of a platform from which to speak.

In an oversimplified nutshell, science consists mostly of making guesses, and then trying to prove them wrong. Most guesses can be falsified quickly, but every now and then, one of them is incredibly resistant to being proved false. That's the source of scientific knowledge. BY ITS VERY NATURE, that means that what we "believe" at any given time is a set of guesses NOT YET FALSIFIED.

Science does NOT include polls of scientists, data that is destroyed, secret methodologies, and ANYTHING not involving free exchange of data, and attempts to recreate, and, yes, attempts to falsify hypotheses -- those guesses I mentioned previously. The very idea that the Hadley people didn't want to release their data because it would get in the hands of people critical of their hypotheses is as virulently anti-science as it is possible for one to be.

I don't know what your motivation is to speak with such vehemence on a subject of which you know nothing -- hell, a subject for which the PRECURSORS of that subject are, to you, an abject mystery. Do you think people will think you smarter if you take the scientists' side, as you see it? Do you think the ladies are attracted to someone who insults people who don't believe as they do?

The scientists who back up this bullshiat have an excuse -- their paycheck, or in a small number of cases, their bribe package, depends on it. But, what's YOUR excuse?
 
2012-06-18 07:32:56 PM  
Gawdzila:
Corvus: Interesting how you didn't actually bother to quote them and you ignored most of the arguments they made showing that the basis of paleo-diet is wron.

He didn't need to quote them, it seemed pretty obvious to me which part of their objection he was addressing.
And in fact he wasn't even saying that your experts were wrong so I don't know why you're getting all huffy and indignant, like he is saying that he knows more than your experts. It really doesn't seem like you actually understand what is going on here.

Understatement, you are the master of it.


www.motifake.com

 
2012-06-18 07:41:13 PM  
Corvus:
GeneralJim: Corvus: The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.

You really should try to avoid criticizing others, since you apparently can't even construct a sentence. And, I can also assure you that insulin plays a very major role in weight gain, and your vehemence in denouncing others who discuss it does not make up for your lack of knowledge. I'm sorry you're so ignorant, but it really is not my job to educate you. I can tell you, however, that you will look significantly less stupid if you quit going off on people who know much more than you do. Just sayin'.

So unhealthy and Toxin does mean the same thing?

No. Saming them not goodly. Meaning words not the pointed issue thusly. Talkingof different, subject is.

/ Better?

josiahcm.files.wordpress.com

 
2012-06-18 07:52:20 PM  
Corvus:
narcotic
Popularitya : a drug (as opium or morphine) that in moderate doses dulls the senses, relieves pain, and induces profound sleep but in excessive doses causes stupor, coma, or convulsions b : a drug (as marijuana or LSD) subject to restriction similar to that of addictive narcotics whether physiologically addictive and narcotic or not

Maybe you should tell Merriam Webster they got it wrong.

This is a good illustration of the basic problem dealing with you. You don't know ANYTHING which would be taken for granted in a normal person. Like, here, that a dictionary ILLUSTRATES USAGE. Look at the freaking definition, FFS "narcotic ... whether physiologically addictive and narcotic or not" Narcotic: Narcotic, or not. THINK, BONEHEAD.

Webster didn't define the word incorrectly -- bureaucratic jackasses with no more understanding of epistemology than you defined it. Webster just reports on what they did to it. Why not call a bicycle an automobile, or an automobile a bicycle because similar laws apply to their use? Wait... I better not give them any ideas.
 
2012-06-18 07:55:30 PM  
Corvus:
I never said it was. You are making a "hasty generalizations". I said this ISSUE has consensus settled around it not all nutritional science.

Oh, I see -- you're arguing about the SCOPE of your errors. Fair enough.

/ ... and, of course, consensus means NOTHING in science.
 
2012-06-18 08:01:29 PM  
Corvus:
GeneralJim: It's good to know that your knowledge of nutrition science is on a par with your knowledge of climate science. Consistency is important.

Wow you mean a climate denier also buys into this crap. Color me SHOCKED!! Oh wait no, that's the point I have been making this entire thread.

You just can't get ANYTHING right, can you? No, I don't even have a clear idea what the "paleo diet" is, let alone support it.

And, you are suggesting that someone's ideas in other fields would invalidate an otherwise clear and cogent idea? Really? If you were right about that, YOU should STFU for a period of time most conveniently measured in triple-digit centuries. I have NEVER seen such concentrated ignorance. Now, I'm sure that lots of people are as ignorant as you are -- but most of them are bright enough to shut their cake holes when people are talking over their heads.
 
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