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2012-06-17 01:30:07 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...

YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese white rice a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.


FTFM
 
2012-06-17 01:30:46 AM

Corvus: Are Japanese more FAT then then Americans?


FTFM
 
2012-06-17 01:32:05 AM

PillsHere: coco ebert: I think many people, myself included, don't realize how much sugar and HFCS there is in everything, even things that aren't sweet. Try to find sugar-free toast bread, for instance. It's really hard.A

That's been my big shock as well. I was making a turkey sandwich the other day and I looked at the labels of this delicious garlic mustard I love and saw it had sugar, then I looked at the dill pickles and saw they contained HFCS. It's probably a minor amount, but I was still surprised as I don't associate either of these foods with having sugar since they're not sweet. It's been happening a lot lately now that I'm aware. So much for just not eating sweets :/.


It's really quite amazing. I only started noticing because my hubby is Swiss and is a chef and he couldn't believe how hard it was to find foods without sugar or HFCS in the U.S.in Switzerland there's a lot less of that kind of thing. I think in the end you just have to cook with as many basic ingredients as possible. Even bread!!
 
2012-06-17 01:32:56 AM

iaazathot: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.

You are completely and utterly wrong on that point. You are making a ridiculous reductionist argument and ignoring systemic effects.


What am I lying about?

Japanese people don't eat white rice? They are not skinner then Americans?

Why is it just renecnelt the last few decades people are getting fat when we have been eatting mostly simple grains for 10,000 years?

Why is it people who have total no grain diets and no sugar are fat?
 
2012-06-17 01:33:52 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...

YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.



Speaking about something you don't/refuse to understand =/= changing the subject.

You don't have a grasp on what "insulin sensitive" means... and I really don't feel like explaining it right now. But if one is insulin sensitive, they are not affected by carbs in the way an insulin resistant person is. The more insulin sensitive a person is, the less likely they are to gain weight from carbs.
 
2012-06-17 01:34:33 AM

Corvus: They are not fat. They are thin. They eat less calories then people in the US do. When Asians move to the US and eat a high calorie diet with less starch the get fatter.


Rice is not that high on the glycemic index, frankly, and it comes with fiber.
You'll also note that they eat very few sweets by comparison to us.
 
2012-06-17 01:35:40 AM
Oh and to answer the questions...

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Yes.

Is Japanese a simple starch?
No, it's a culture....

Are Japanese more then then Americans?
I don't understand what that even means.

So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?
Not when referring to insulin resistant people.
 
2012-06-17 01:36:49 AM

iaazathot: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.

You are completely and utterly wrong on that point. You are making a ridiculous reductionist argument and ignoring systemic effects.


Here is the people who eat the "healthy" no grains diet and mostly eat only high fat meats.


a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

Look how farking thin they are!!! They eat a diet that according to the paleo fans they should be thin as tooth picks!!
 
2012-06-17 01:37:34 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...

YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.


Wow, I think I see spittle coming out. Pretty sure Japanese is a culture not a starch, dude.

You are missing a whole lot in your simple argument. Japanese people do eat a lot of rice. They also eat a lot of fish (protein), vegetables, and bean protein. If you were to replace those other elements with just rice, you would encounter an increase in health problems. One of which would be an overload of the pancreas and insulin production, creating weight gain with calories staying the same. Without fiber and/or protein to balance the sugar intaken, you would be doing damage to your system. That is simple biochemistry.

Your claim that you can eat unlimited sugar with no ill health is simply crazy.

You won't find a nutritionist/doctor/biochemist anywhere who would argue against that conclusion.
 
2012-06-17 01:38:51 AM

miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...

YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.


Speaking about something you don't/refuse to understand =/= changing the subject.

You don't have a grasp on what "insulin sensitive" means... and I really don't feel like explaining it right now. But if one is insulin sensitive, they are not affected by carbs in the way an insulin resistant person is. The more insulin sensitive a person is, the less likely they are to gain weight from carbs.


Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

Yes, yes. The "I don't feel like explaining" but you argue and say I am wrong, but then when I show you your points are wrong it's "well I am right but I am not going to answer the huge flaws in my logic." This is a religion to you. It's not based on facts.
 
2012-06-17 01:39:05 AM

Corvus: Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese white rice a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?



Your understanding of this seems very simplistic to me. There are a multitude of sources of starch, and not all of them are the same. Further, you're neglecting the difference in simple sugar intake (i.e. Twinkies) and lifestyle. I know you think you have a concise and fool-proof debunking of the whole idea that starches are bad for you, but the simple fact is that you're making a an argument so oversimplified as to be useless.
 
2012-06-17 01:39:29 AM
Corvus... I'm not sure if you're intentionally being ignorant thick-headed (imagine that!... an idiot on the internet!) or if you truly lack reading comprehension.
But I also don't care because I'm going to bed since I work tomorrow. Enjoy.
 
2012-06-17 01:40:00 AM

Corvus: iaazathot: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.

You are completely and utterly wrong on that point. You are making a ridiculous reductionist argument and ignoring systemic effects.

Here is the people who eat the "healthy" no grains diet and mostly eat only high fat meats.


[a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 600x450]

Look how farking thin they are!!! They eat a diet that according to the paleo fans they should be thin as tooth picks!!


Dude, I don't give a rat's ass about he Paleo diet. I am talking about straight up biochemistry here.
 
2012-06-17 01:40:15 AM

iaazathot: Your claim that you can eat unlimited sugar with no ill health is simply crazy.


WHERE DID I MAKE THIS CLAIM?
Show me where I said this or apologies!


You are making a strawman argument.
 
2012-06-17 01:40:59 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...

YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.


Speaking about something you don't/refuse to understand =/= changing the subject.

You don't have a grasp on what "insulin sensitive" means... and I really don't feel like explaining it right now. But if one is insulin sensitive, they are not affected by carbs in the way an insulin resistant person is. The more insulin sensitive a person is, the less likely they are to gain weight from carbs.

Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

Yes, yes. The "I don't feel like explaining" but you argue and say I am wrong, but then when I sho ...


No, I answered your questions. You haven't proven anything expect that there is some connectivity issue in your brain. Good luck with that!
 
2012-06-17 01:42:28 AM
All you have to do is travel the world a bit to see why Americans are so fat. It's really not that hard to understand. People here eat crap, they are not active, and they eat portions that are too big. That's it. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I guess because to paraphrase Chris Rock, there's no money in the simple answer.
 
2012-06-17 01:42:32 AM

Gawdzila: Corvus: Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese white rice a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?


Your understanding of this seems very simplistic to me. There are a multitude of sources of starch, and not all of them are the same. Further, you're neglecting the difference in simple sugar intake (i.e. Twinkies) and lifestyle. I know you think you have a concise and fool-proof debunking of the whole idea that starches are bad for you, but the simple fact is that you're making a an argument so oversimplified as to be useless.


So this idea of sugar and strches are bad only counts for... HIGH CALORIE ITEMS! WOw amazing?

Is WHITE RICE A SIMPLE STARCH? Yes or No?

Why do you refuse to answer these simple questions?

The Paleo guys say this shiat but then when question on i, it amazing has more rules that they hide behind.
 
2012-06-17 01:44:58 AM

coco ebert: All you have to do is travel the world a bit to see why Americans are so fat. It's really not that hard to understand. People here eat crap, they are not active, and they eat portions that are too big. That's it. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I guess because to paraphrase Chris Rock, there's no money in the simple answer.


I think people need to look at their utility bills. We spend an enormous amount of money on an enormous amount of energy to cool our houses so our bodies don't have to ramp energy consumption to cool ourselves through sweating. We're fat because we're cool.
 
2012-06-17 01:45:21 AM

miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...

YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.


Speaking about something you don't/refuse to understand =/= changing the subject.

You don't have a grasp on what "insulin sensitive" means... and I really don't feel like explaining it right now. But if one is insulin sensitive, they are not affected by carbs in the way an insulin resistant person is. The more insulin sensitive a person is, the less likely they are to gain weight from carbs.

Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

Yes, yes. The "I don't feel like explaining" but you argue and say I am wrong, but then wh ...


No you didn't you are dodging.

Is white rice a simple starch?

Do Japanese eat more simple starches then Americans?

Are Japanese thinner or fatter then Americans in general?

You dodged those questions. The "Paleo relgion" always dodges these questions.
 
2012-06-17 01:46:32 AM

Corvus: Gawdzila: Corvus: Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese white rice a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?


Your understanding of this seems very simplistic to me. There are a multitude of sources of starch, and not all of them are the same. Further, you're neglecting the difference in simple sugar intake (i.e. Twinkies) and lifestyle. I know you think you have a concise and fool-proof debunking of the whole idea that starches are bad for you, but the simple fact is that you're making a an argument so oversimplified as to be useless.

So this idea of sugar and strches are bad only counts for... HIGH CALORIE ITEMS! WOw amazing?

Is WHITE RICE A SIMPLE STARCH? Yes or No?

Why do you refuse to answer these simple questions?

The Paleo guys say this shiat but then when question on i, it amazing has more rules that they hide behind.


The fact that you're too stupid to understand science doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. When someone gives an answer you can't comprehend and you accuse them of "changing the subject", it doesn't make you right. It makes you an idiot. Congratulations. (or maybe a troll?)
 
2012-06-17 01:46:56 AM

Corvus: Why do you refuse to answer my questions?


They have, you're just not understanding it.
The fact that you say this...

Corvus: Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. .... saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.


...proves that you don't have even the most cursory knowledge to begin to have this debate. Insulin has a HUGE amount to do with weight gain and blood sugar regulation. It is all related.
 
2012-06-17 01:47:39 AM

coco ebert: All you have to do is travel the world a bit to see why Americans are so fat. It's really not that hard to understand. People here eat crap, they are not active, and they eat portions that are too big. That's it. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I guess because to paraphrase Chris Rock, there's no money in the simple answer.


Why is it hard to comprehend: Because a couple of people want to get rich selling books to suckers so they are trying to pretend people can eat all the fat they want and it's ok even though the entire medical community thinks he is full of shiat.
 
2012-06-17 01:48:11 AM
I've answered your question numerous times in numerous ways... unable to understand my answer=/=me dodging the question.

Goodnight all.
 
2012-06-17 01:48:40 AM

Corvus: LoneWolf343: You think glucose is a toxin? Try living without it, and we'll see what happens.

I heard some other idiot say this once in person. They have no farking clue what the word "toxin" means and they want us to take them serious on thier BS of pretending the obesity epidemic of the last 30 years was cause 10,000 years ago. They are a bunch of idiots.

Sugar is a "toxin" great show me deaths from OD of direct ingestion of sugar! I'll bet someone here I can ingest any amount of sugar that's possible cosumable and not die. Anything else that is a real toxin there is some point you will die from taking it.

The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.


You are correct, you did not say that. I misread the above quote. However, your basic argument is still reductionistic and pretty irrational.
 
2012-06-17 01:48:47 AM
Good god Drew Curtis is on Fox News right now. God is dead.
 
2012-06-17 01:49:33 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: coco ebert: All you have to do is travel the world a bit to see why Americans are so fat. It's really not that hard to understand. People here eat crap, they are not active, and they eat portions that are too big. That's it. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I guess because to paraphrase Chris Rock, there's no money in the simple answer.

I think people need to look at their utility bills. We spend an enormous amount of money on an enormous amount of energy to cool our houses so our bodies don't have to ramp energy consumption to cool ourselves through sweating. We're fat because we're cool.


I know you're joking but since we're on the topic- it really bothers me how people leave their AC on WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN THE HOUSE. I mean, really? So you're hot for the first couple of minutes when you get home means you waste energy the whole time you're away from the house? Ugh.
 
2012-06-17 01:49:46 AM

Gawdzila: Corvus: Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

They have, you're just not understanding it.
The fact that you say this...
Corvus: Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. .... saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.
...proves that you don't have even the most cursory knowledge to begin to have this debate. Insulin has a HUGE amount to do with weight gain and blood sugar regulation. It is all related.


Ok where are the answers to my questions:

Do Japanese eat lots of white rice? Is white rice a simple starch?

Do Japanese weigh more then Americans?

Where is that answered? I see people trying to change the subject because they are afraid of answering those simple questions
 
2012-06-17 01:52:17 AM

iaazathot: Corvus: LoneWolf343: You think glucose is a toxin? Try living without it, and we'll see what happens.

I heard some other idiot say this once in person. They have no farking clue what the word "toxin" means and they want us to take them serious on thier BS of pretending the obesity epidemic of the last 30 years was cause 10,000 years ago. They are a bunch of idiots.

Sugar is a "toxin" great show me deaths from OD of direct ingestion of sugar! I'll bet someone here I can ingest any amount of sugar that's possible cosumable and not die. Anything else that is a real toxin there is some point you will die from taking it.

The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.

You are correct, you did not say that. I misread the above quote. However, your basic argument is still reductionistic and pretty irrational.


How is it irrational?

They say simple starches make you fat. Is that not true now? I thought that was the hole idea are you denying they think simple starches make you fat not calories?


You were the one who lied and made up a statement I never said and then didn't apologize for what you did. Why do you must lie if your argument is actually based on fact?
 
2012-06-17 01:52:49 AM

Corvus: Is WHITE RICE A SIMPLE STARCH? Yes or No?


Are you retarded?
I already explained this: a food's effect on your metabolic system cannot simply be categorized as "Simple Starch: Yes/No".
Rice contains starch, but it isn't the same as, say, a potato, and not remotely like a soda. If you have to simplify the discussion this much in order to make your point, it means your point is not worth making.
 
2012-06-17 01:53:35 AM

Corvus: Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?


They also eat lots and lots of fish, soybean products, soups, and very small portions of red-meat.

There's a similar phenomena with the french diet which is high in fats, butter, sauces, breads and wine with meals.
But again they eat much smaller portions than Americans and green salads and fresh veggies. Plus they take their time to eat instead of 'fast food' 20 min lunches.

Same goes for Mediterranean diets--small portions of red meats, grains like couscous, and lots of fish and vegetables and of course olive oil.

Trying to look at one key item in a diet that's bad--is ignoring the balance of meal.

IMHO for Americans it's portion size and high sugars and eat quick until bloated and feed again a bit later makes the US fat.
 
2012-06-17 01:54:26 AM

iaazathot: Corvus: LoneWolf343: You think glucose is a toxin? Try living without it, and we'll see what happens.

I heard some other idiot say this once in person. They have no farking clue what the word "toxin" means and they want us to take them serious on thier BS of pretending the obesity epidemic of the last 30 years was cause 10,000 years ago. They are a bunch of idiots.

Sugar is a "toxin" great show me deaths from OD of direct ingestion of sugar! I'll bet someone here I can ingest any amount of sugar that's possible cosumable and not die. Anything else that is a real toxin there is some point you will die from taking it.

The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.

You are correct, you did not say that. I misread the above quote. However, your basic argument is still reductionistic and pretty irrational.


So is sugar a "toxin"? Do you admit that's a false statement made by the "paleo religion"? or that it's just "unhealthy" which was my actual point that you mischaracterized?
 
2012-06-17 01:55:39 AM

Corvus: Why is it people who have total no grain diets and no sugar are fat?


I don't know. You asked me this yesterday. I still don't know.
 
2012-06-17 01:56:07 AM

iaazathot: Gawdzila: vodka: Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.

There is actually very little evidence that fat intake -- even saturated fat -- has anything to do with heart disease or any other malady.
There is plenty of evidence, however, that high sugar intake causes all sorts of problems, including diabetes, obesity, and their attendant health issues.

Now, I'm not saying that sugar is evil, or toxic, or any of that other nonsense. But it IS worse than just about anything else to eat in excess, especially if you lead an inactive lifestyle.


guises: Reverting back to how things were before is not a solution. There's a reason why there was a craze to remove so much fat from our packaged foods - people were getting fat.

This is actually quite wrong.
The reason isn't that people were getting fat, the reason is that someone published a highly flawed study back in the 50's that insinuated that the Western lifestyle was unhealthy simply by looking at heart disease rates in other countries. However, it failed to take into account any other primarily Western activities such as smoking (EXTREMELY ubiquitous during that time), and ignored data from other many other countries that didn't fit their conclusions.

/Here is a peer-reviewed article on the subject that you may find illuminating
//Science, Vol.291
///Another one from Men's Health

Our bodies process HFCS very differently than they do honey or raw sugar. That is very important to understand. The HFCS industry is fighting very hard to argue that table sugar and HFCS are exactly the same, but they are not.

The bottom line is that food companies want to increase profits at the cost of the health of the general populace. Yes, we can choose not to eat those products, but that is becoming increasingly difficult, especially for poor people (yep even food is stratified according socio-conomic status).

With food resources being controlled by fewer and fewer corpor ...


Wait a sec, the body doesn't break HFCS down with glycolysis like every other sugar?
 
2012-06-17 01:56:14 AM

Gawdzila: Corvus: Is WHITE RICE A SIMPLE STARCH? Yes or No?

Are you retarded?
I already explained this: a food's effect on your metabolic system cannot simply be categorized as "Simple Starch: Yes/No".
Rice contains starch, but it isn't the same as, say, a potato, and not remotely like a soda. If you have to simplify the discussion this much in order to make your point, it means your point is not worth making.


So the idea that making simple starches from the agricultural revolution makes us now fat is a bunch of BS because it's more complicated then that?

So under the Paleo religion diet white rice is fine to eat?
 
2012-06-17 01:57:00 AM
Speaking about something you don't/refuse to understand =/= changing the subject.

You don't have a grasp on what "insulin sensitive" means... and I really don't feel like explaining it right now. But if one is insulin sensitive, they are not affected by carbs in the way an insulin resistant person is. The more insulin sensitive a person is, the less likely they are to gain weight from carbs.

Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

Yes, yes. The "I don't feel like explaining" but you argue and say I am wrong, but then wh ...

No you didn't you are dodging.

Is white rice a simple starch?

Do Japanese eat more simple starches then Americans?

Are Japanese thinner or fatter then Americans in general?

You dodged those questions. The "Paleo relgion" always dodges these questions.


Yes, white rice is a simple starch.

Yes, Japanese people eat more white rice than Americans on average, more than likely.

No, Japanese people do NOT eat more simple starches than Americans. They eat more white rice (you are committing a huge logical fallacy right there, just to clue you in).

Japanese are thinner, on average, than Americans, but that is changing, because they are adopting a higher sugar intake with more Westernized diets.

Also, insulin production and sensitivity, as has been pointed out to you multiple times, has a huge impact on weight gain. This is pretty common scientific knowledge.

So, I have pointed out the huge logical hole in your sophist's argument.

With that, I am going to kill zombies on the old xbox, enjoy an 18 year old bourbon, and then go to sleep.
 
2012-06-17 01:57:48 AM

Mitch Mitchell: Corvus: Why is it people who have total no grain diets and no sugar are fat?

I don't know. You asked me this yesterday. I still don't know.


Well according to the paleo religion diet it's impossible. However we see it all the time with people who have diets of fish and fat sea mammals. So Hmmm makes you think.
 
2012-06-17 01:59:42 AM
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wondering what the fuss is about
 
2012-06-17 02:00:55 AM

iaazathot: No, Japanese people do NOT eat more simple starches than Americans. They eat more white rice (you are committing a huge logical fallacy right there, just to clue you in).


So white rice and pasta which italians eat are ok to eat under the paleo religion diet?

Funny that's not what I have read.

You are still not answer my questions. I wonder why. You guys talk like people who believe in intelligent deisgn "You wouldn't understand" or just giving insults. People with facts are usually happy to share them and don't insult or pretend they have some secret knowledge they don't want to share.
 
2012-06-17 02:02:20 AM

Corvus: ...insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.



insulin-for-life.com

insulin injection sites

Do the Japanese eat a mixture of both high fat and simple carbs? Do paleos? Does the typical American?

/looks NSFW as a thumbnail image,but its not
 
2012-06-17 02:02:24 AM

iaazathot: Japanese are thinner, on average, than Americans, but that is changing, because they are adopting a higher sugar intake with more Westernized diets.


So Japanese diet is not increasing in calories too?? You are saying their calorie intake is the same as they are getting fatter? Or your just ignoring that point?
 
2012-06-17 02:04:23 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Corvus: ...insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.


[insulin-for-life.com image 300x280]

insulin injection sites

Do the Japanese eat a mixture of both high fat and simple carbs? Do paleos? Does the typical American?

/looks NSFW as a thumbnail image,but its not


Stop changing the subejct. I am talking about directly.

You are changing the subject like I knew you guys would.


Why is it that the diet of Japanese and italians who have a diet of more simple carbs are thinner then us?

stop changing the subject.
 
2012-06-17 02:06:00 AM

Corvus: Ok where are the answers to my questions:

Do Japanese eat lots of white rice? Is white rice a simple starch?

Do Japanese weigh more then Americans?

Where is that answered? I see people trying to change the subject because they are afraid of answering those simple questions



They are not afraid, and they HAVE given you answers. They just aren't the answers you want.

Here is your straightforward and truthful answer:
Your questions are uselessly simplistic and are constructed specifically to create a strawman of what you're arguing against by ignoring ALL relevant peripheral data and knowledge. If anyone answers your questions in the way you want them to, you will create an out-of-context quote that ignores every relevant piece of information we've given you, and you will repeat that quote ad-infinitum as if it were some kind of proof of your correctness. Nobody appreciates someone who "debates" simply by ignoring every piece of information given to him and repeating his original, irrelevant set of trap questions louder and louder until someone gets annoyed enough to answer them.

You've demonstrated no knowledge that is relevant to the discussion, nor any ability to learn from what other people tell you. Learn to address people's criticisms of your line of reasoning; either rebut them or concede, but simply repeating the same line over and over and over is just annoying and unworthy of any more attention.

Sadly, despite all the explanations we've given, I anticipate you'll ask yet again whether rice is a simple starch.
*facepalm*
I guess that's why they have an ignore list.
 
2012-06-17 02:06:04 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Do the Japanese eat a mixture of both high fat and simple carbs? Do paleos? Does the typical American?


Do the Japanese eat a diet of less caloriess? YES. Do Americans? NO

See I answer the questions, I don't try to change the subject like you.
 
2012-06-17 02:06:29 AM

boozerman: iaazathot: Gawdzila: vodka: Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.

There is actually very little evidence that fat intake -- even saturated fat -- has anything to do with heart disease or any other malady.
There is plenty of evidence, however, that high sugar intake causes all sorts of problems, including diabetes, obesity, and their attendant health issues.

Now, I'm not saying that sugar is evil, or toxic, or any of that other nonsense. But it IS worse than just about anything else to eat in excess, especially if you lead an inactive lifestyle.


guises: Reverting back to how things were before is not a solution. There's a reason why there was a craze to remove so much fat from our packaged foods - people were getting fat.

This is actually quite wrong.
The reason isn't that people were getting fat, the reason is that someone published a highly flawed study back in the 50's that insinuated that the Western lifestyle was unhealthy simply by looking at heart disease rates in other countries. However, it failed to take into account any other primarily Western activities such as smoking (EXTREMELY ubiquitous during that time), and ignored data from other many other countries that didn't fit their conclusions.

/Here is a peer-reviewed article on the subject that you may find illuminating
//Science, Vol.291
///Another one from Men's Health

Our bodies process HFCS very differently than they do honey or raw sugar. That is very important to understand. The HFCS industry is fighting very hard to argue that table sugar and HFCS are exactly the same, but they are not.

The bottom line is that food companies want to increase profits at the cost of the health of the general populace. Yes, we can choose not to eat those products, but that is becoming increasingly difficult, especially for poor people (yep even food is stratified according socio-conomic status).

With food resources being controlled by fewer and f ...


My understanding is that the liver processes fructose a bit differently than glucose, and more readily shifts it to fat storage than glucose. There are even studies coming out showing that excessive fructose may be linked to liver scarring, another issue, I realize, but still interesting.
 
2012-06-17 02:08:32 AM

Gawdzila: Corvus: Ok where are the answers to my questions:

Do Japanese eat lots of white rice? Is white rice a simple starch?

Do Japanese weigh more then Americans?

Where is that answered? I see people trying to change the subject because they are afraid of answering those simple questions


They are not afraid, and they HAVE given you answers. They just aren't the answers you want.

Here is your straightforward and truthful answer:
Your questions are uselessly simplistic and are constructed specifically to create a strawman of what you're arguing against by ignoring ALL relevant peripheral data and knowledge. If anyone answers your questions in the way you want them to, you will create an out-of-context quote that ignores every relevant piece of information we've given you, and you will repeat that quote ad-infinitum as if it were some kind of proof of your correctness. Nobody appreciates someone who "debates" simply by ignoring every piece of information given to him and repeating his original, irrelevant set of trap questions louder and louder until someone gets annoyed enough to answer them.

You've demonstrated no knowledge that is relevant to the discussion, nor any ability to learn from what other people tell you. Learn to address people's criticisms of your line of reasoning; either rebut them or concede, but simply repeating the same line over and over and over is just annoying and unworthy of any more attention.

Sadly, despite all the explanations we've given, I anticipate you'll ask yet again whether rice is a simple starch.
*facepalm*
I guess that's why they have an ignore list.


First you say my question are being answered then you give an excuse why no one is answering them. Which is it? Then why can't you just answer them?

Is white rice and pasta ok under the Paleo religion diet? Yes or no?

How is that an unfair question?
 
2012-06-17 02:10:15 AM

Corvus: iaazathot: Japanese are thinner, on average, than Americans, but that is changing, because they are adopting a higher sugar intake with more Westernized diets.

So Japanese diet is not increasing in calories too?? You are saying their calorie intake is the same as they are getting fatter? Or your just ignoring that point?


If they were to increase their calories by 35% eating more vegetables, weight gain would be non-significant. The type of food you eat DOES matter.

Are you always this obtuse?

Calories can be a part of the issue, but it is not the entirety.

I am asking this question in all seriousness, are you a high functioning autistic? Your response patterns seem to indicate that you may be.
 
2012-06-17 02:11:55 AM
The whole fructose in to fat in the liver theory is based on rat studies. Rats have very different metabolic processes than humans. The fate of fructose in the human body is to be phosphorylated in the liver, stored for a short time as liver glycogen if it's not needed, or shuttled in to later steps in glycolysis. De novo lipogenesis is a very rare event in humans, and you'd have to not only be in a caloric surplus, but most of your muscle and liver glycogen stores will have to be filled before you start turning carbohydrates in to fat.
 
2012-06-17 02:14:09 AM

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lolwut???
 
2012-06-17 02:14:51 AM

iaazathot: Corvus: iaazathot: Japanese are thinner, on average, than Americans, but that is changing, because they are adopting a higher sugar intake with more Westernized diets.

So Japanese diet is not increasing in calories too?? You are saying their calorie intake is the same as they are getting fatter? Or your just ignoring that point?

If they were to increase their calories by 35% eating more vegetables, weight gain would be non-significant. The type of food you eat DOES matter.

Are you always this obtuse?

Calories can be a part of the issue, but it is not the entirety.

I am asking this question in all seriousness, are you a high functioning autistic? Your response patterns seem to indicate that you may be.


But vegetables are a low calorie density food. Yes food does matter. Some are calorie dense and some are not. You are saying the same thing. You are saying "Well if they eat low calorie foods they won't gain more weight" but that's exactly my point. That doesn't prove I am wrong.
 
2012-06-17 02:16:20 AM

boozerman: The whole fructose in to fat in the liver theory is based on rat studies. Rats have very different metabolic processes than humans. The fate of fructose in the human body is to be phosphorylated in the liver, stored for a short time as liver glycogen if it's not needed, or shuttled in to later steps in glycolysis. De novo lipogenesis is a very rare event in humans, and you'd have to not only be in a caloric surplus, but most of your muscle and liver glycogen stores will have to be filled before you start turning carbohydrates in to fat.


Yes, but that sounds like a lot of overweight Americans doesn't it? I realize, from my simple unerstanding, that lipid storage is on the tail end. However, most Americans ARE in a caloric surplus, and people who are not physically active are likely to have glycogen stores in full supply.

Another issue is what is happening in the pancreas due to these huge sugar loads? Insulin regulation is very important for weight control.

I am not saying that HFCS is a poison, per se, I AM saying that HFCS in our cultural environment is problematic.
 
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