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2012-06-17 12:29:22 AM

WhippingBoy: iaazathot: Some of the most compelling evidence was in China where they could watch fairly homogenous regions during a time of low population motility over a period of a decade or more.

I thought the China Study was debunked.


It was.
 
2012-06-17 12:30:18 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.


LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?
 
2012-06-17 12:33:40 AM

WhippingBoy: iaazathot: Some of the most compelling evidence was in China where they could watch fairly homogenous regions during a time of low population motility over a period of a decade or more.

I thought the China Study was debunked.


I know that this body of work is very unpopular here in the US, particularly amongst food manufacturers and some food scientists. I know that there is an active attempt to ignore or bury that body of research. I am not sure that it has been debunked, although some might claim so. It was vociferously attacked by various parties, and while their may have been problems with the methodology in some aspects, I think that it is foolish to ignore the research as a whole.

It isn't my area of specialty, I have a cursory interest through my wife who is a Howard Hughes biochemistry major and medical provider. She has used the conclusions of those studies to help her diabetic patients, along with other data and protocols. The results she achieves, via data tracking, are pretty amazing when compared to the standard management practices alone (medication with minor adjustments to diet, for example).

I am sure there are those who will say that those studies hold no validity.
 
2012-06-17 12:34:19 AM

StoneColdAtheist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.

LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?


Well, I don't know if this explains it, but I'm sort of the opposite. I'm from a southern family and we'd have pitchers of sweet tea with dinner every night. I'm talking 2 cups of sugar sweet. Now, as an adult, I drink mainly water, or if I'm at a restaurant I might order an unsweetened tea. Every once in a while the order will get messed up and I'll take a sip of sweet tea and it tastes like syrup to me.
 
2012-06-17 12:34:44 AM

astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.


It's not called high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) anymore; it's "corn sugar" now.
 
2012-06-17 12:35:35 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Actually, based on the comments in this thread, it seems that now hfcs is bad... Yeah, that's it. Just replace hfcs with real refined sugar! Then our sedentary lifestyles and overeating will be nullified.


I don't recall anyone making that particular claim.
 
2012-06-17 12:38:52 AM

Gawdzila: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Actually, based on the comments in this thread, it seems that now hfcs is bad... Yeah, that's it. Just replace hfcs with real refined sugar! Then our sedentary lifestyles and overeating will be nullified.

I don't recall anyone making that particular claim.


I am pretty drunk right now, so I may have simply made up all those "hfcs is in everything! and the body processes differently than sugar!" comments. To my credit though, that is a popular sentiment in past sugar threads.
 
2012-06-17 12:40:26 AM

Dr.Zom: LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.


So true.

I'm a grad student, though I'm in my 30's. Walking around campus nowadays, I see a HUGE difference between the size of students when I first went to college (1995) and today. Even in that brief 12 year period, there's a notable difference in the size in students.

I'm a married 30-something MOTHER and I'm skinnier than most 18 year olds on campus. How is that friggin' possible?
 
2012-06-17 12:43:21 AM

StoneColdAtheist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.

LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?



I mean, that's kind of like me. But I *never* liked plain water, not even before I had a Coca Cola vice.
I do sometimes crave water, for instance after a workout, but I've never thought it had a particularly good flavor. If I had a choice I'd always doctor it up with something, and it doesn't have to be sweet either. Even just a chunk of lemon does wonders.
 
2012-06-17 12:43:38 AM

StoneColdAtheist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.

LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?


Yeah. I was like that for a while. Will they drink sprite and fruit sodas or just coke? The lack of caffeine might be a factor.

Cold water "tastes" better, like 75% ice. Now I can even tolerate water I left in the car on a hot day if I'm thirsty. I miss central texas water, though, that tasted best. Around here it's all farking lakes and it tastes dusty.
 
2012-06-17 12:44:34 AM

trivial use of my dark powers: Fat people don't cost the system big gobs of money anymore than the smokers--they tend to die before they get elderly and become REALLY expensive.

All you health freaks, you're costing all of us, you selfish preeks. Put down the tofu and eat some fries for heaven's sake.


9/10. Well done.
 
2012-06-17 12:45:28 AM
Whoops...I messed up my up there. Pardon my error.
 
2012-06-17 12:45:30 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: StoneColdAtheist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Blackwind: We've went to drinking straight water around here, going on four months now.

Good for you. That gay water shiat tastes horrible.

LOL...funny how that works out. My wife and I never drank sodas or even fruit juice, so we were surprised when our kids took up Coke (not sodas..."Coca-Cola") after they moved away from home as young adults. The older one simply will not drink straight water. He says it tastes bad. We have good well water and a quality multi-stage filter/RO (not a softener or anything that puts shiat in the water), but he still won't drink it unless we make lemonade or o.j. with it. He says he can't stand it without flavor and some sweetness.

This is not just when he's at our house. His wife says he does the same thing at home and work. Strange.

Any of you Farkers experience this? Can 15 years of drinking sodas make you dislike plain water?

Well, I don't know if this explains it, but I'm sort of the opposite. I'm from a southern family and we'd have pitchers of sweet tea with dinner every night. I'm talking 2 cups of sugar sweet. Now, as an adult, I drink mainly water, or if I'm at a restaurant I might order an unsweetened tea. Every once in a while the order will get messed up and I'll take a sip of sweet tea and it tastes like syrup to me.


That's how I feel about regular soda. I stopped drinking it 14 years ago, but I took a sip of someone's cherry coke the other day thinking hey I haven't had that in years and it sounds good right now, and it was absolutely vile. I can't imagine drinking those on a regular basis. It's like smoking though, when I quit, the smell of cigarette smoke made me want to vomit.
 
2012-06-17 12:48:56 AM

miss marla singer: miss marla singer: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Um... Stop. Seriously. You are obviously a moron. Do you know what the "H" in HFCS stands for? High. As in HIGH fructose corn syrup. HFCS has HIGH fructose, while sugar has NO fructose at all. So yeah, HFCS is far worse than sugar. I hope the corn lobby paid you well for your public schilling.

/sarcasm off

I know you are being sarcastic but it is surprising how so many people don't know that table sugar is half fructose and half sucrose. And that people think eating fruit is very good when that's just ALL fructose. Sigh.

By Sucrose I mean glucose, of course.


Yes but the caloric density of fruit is generally lower than the kinds of foods you'd otherwise get your sugar from in the normal American diet. It also contains other good stuff like vitamins and fiber.

Sugar is not bad in moderation. The problem is that moderation is in short supply.
 
2012-06-17 12:49:01 AM

Artist: I work with about 15 surgeons-5 of whom do back surgeries, it is quite common for them to tell patients to loose say.....100 (!) pounds before even possibly talking about surgery. Even though the relative merits of BMI are debated, someone with a BMI of 49.8 is a human cue ball. How can the skeletal structure function when its so over loaded? I see it all day, every day. It's getting so bad, that even the largest wheel chairs aren't quite big enough for some patients.......let alone getting them through the exam room door......


I briefly worked in hospital admin. I remember several discussions regarding hiring for the "lift team," the hospital employees who have to move the fatties to and from beds, operating tables, examination tables, etc. Patients are so big now that you have to be nearly superhuman strong to move some of these patients.
 
2012-06-17 12:52:44 AM

Jument: miss marla singer: miss marla singer: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Um... Stop. Seriously. You are obviously a moron. Do you know what the "H" in HFCS stands for? High. As in HIGH fructose corn syrup. HFCS has HIGH fructose, while sugar has NO fructose at all. So yeah, HFCS is far worse than sugar. I hope the corn lobby paid you well for your public schilling.

/sarcasm off

I know you are being sarcastic but it is surprising how so many people don't know that table sugar is half fructose and half sucrose. And that people think eating fruit is very good when that's just ALL fructose. Sigh.

By Sucrose I mean glucose, of course.

Yes but the caloric density of fruit is generally lower than the kinds of foods you'd otherwise get your sugar from in the normal American diet. It also contains other good stuff like vitamins and fiber.

Sugar is not bad in moderation. The problem is that moderation is in short supply.


It's not "fewer calories" that make fruit moderately more healthy... It's the fiber that prevents the bloodstream from absorbing all the sugar.
 
2012-06-17 12:57:41 AM

FizixJunkee: Artist: I work with about 15 surgeons-5 of whom do back surgeries, it is quite common for them to tell patients to loose say.....100 (!) pounds before even possibly talking about surgery. Even though the relative merits of BMI are debated, someone with a BMI of 49.8 is a human cue ball. How can the skeletal structure function when its so over loaded? I see it all day, every day. It's getting so bad, that even the largest wheel chairs aren't quite big enough for some patients.......let alone getting them through the exam room door......

I briefly worked in hospital admin. I remember several discussions regarding hiring for the "lift team," the hospital employees who have to move the fatties to and from beds, operating tables, examination tables, etc. Patients are so big now that you have to be nearly superhuman strong to move some of these patients.


Whenever I see those giant lardpiles wheeling about in their Hoverounds, I can only wonder to myself how they let it get to that point. Don't you get to a point, far before that, where you look in the mirror and think, "Jeezus, I'm farking HUGE! I can hardly walk under my own power! I need to do something about it!"


/Yay fizix! :D
 
2012-06-17 12:59:25 AM

rosebud_the_sled: If sugar is killing people, well, they it is their own fault. If they are weak, let them die. Blaming people's weakness on some inanimate molecule brings out my sarcastic disdain.

If someone does not care about themselves enough to spend a trivial amount of effort to correct the problem, why should I care for them?

They have free will, which means that they can be come fat, useless gobs to their heart's content, just don't ever expect me to lift one finger (save the middle one) for them or spend a single cent or effort on their behalf. If you are a fat gob, I will not move out of the way for you to get your fat sack past me. Dying of adult onset diabetes - tough, you should allowed to die painfully if you can not pay for the problem you created.

BTW, sugar is great. Weak fat gobs of human lard are not.


www.blogcdn.com

Hates hearing his name mispronounced
 
2012-06-17 01:00:50 AM

miss marla singer: Jument: miss marla singer: miss marla singer: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Um... Stop. Seriously. You are obviously a moron. Do you know what the "H" in HFCS stands for? High. As in HIGH fructose corn syrup. HFCS has HIGH fructose, while sugar has NO fructose at all. So yeah, HFCS is far worse than sugar. I hope the corn lobby paid you well for your public schilling.

/sarcasm off

I know you are being sarcastic but it is surprising how so many people don't know that table sugar is half fructose and half sucrose. And that people think eating fruit is very good when that's just ALL fructose. Sigh.

By Sucrose I mean glucose, of course.

Yes but the caloric density of fruit is generally lower than the kinds of foods you'd otherwise get your sugar from in the normal American diet. It also contains other good stuff like vitamins and fiber.

Sugar is not bad in moderation. The problem is that moderation is in short supply.

It's not "fewer calories" that make fruit moderately more healthy... It's the fiber that prevents the bloodstream from absorbing all the sugar.


I don't think it works that way, but who cares?

If you ate nothing but apples, I'd need to eat nearly 20 of them a day to get enough calories to maintain my current weight. That would be seriously difficult. Now think about a processed food high in sugar and imagine how easy it would be to overeat.

That's what I mean by caloric density. You may wish to bingle it.
 
2012-06-17 01:01:08 AM
Why has it become acceptable for girls and young women to wear clothing that doesn't fit? Muffintops aren't cute or OK.

/ off my lawn
 
2012-06-17 01:04:49 AM

Gawdzila: FizixJunkee: Artist: I work with about 15 surgeons-5 of whom do back surgeries, it is quite common for them to tell patients to loose say.....100 (!) pounds before even possibly talking about surgery. Even though the relative merits of BMI are debated, someone with a BMI of 49.8 is a human cue ball. How can the skeletal structure function when its so over loaded? I see it all day, every day. It's getting so bad, that even the largest wheel chairs aren't quite big enough for some patients.......let alone getting them through the exam room door......

I briefly worked in hospital admin. I remember several discussions regarding hiring for the "lift team," the hospital employees who have to move the fatties to and from beds, operating tables, examination tables, etc. Patients are so big now that you have to be nearly superhuman strong to move some of these patients.

Whenever I see those giant lardpiles wheeling about in their Hoverounds, I can only wonder to myself how they let it get to that point. Don't you get to a point, far before that, where you look in the mirror and think, "Jeezus, I'm farking HUGE! I can hardly walk under my own power! I need to do something about it!"


/Yay fizix! :D


I always err on the side of thinking someone has a medical condition and can't walk. But I was on the bus one day and saw a huge woman trying to maneuver her scooter out the door. After bumping in the seats 10 or 11 times... she stood up and lifted the scooter to position it properly to ride off the bus. Yea...

//CSB
 
2012-06-17 01:05:59 AM
Lor M. Ipsum:
GeneralJim: Sugar has long been known to be unhealthy. Many peer-reviewed articles, and media scare stories, including Fark references, have shown that. But the rush to tax and/or ban is simply farking stupid. Let people KNOW, by all means, and then let them decide.

/ Farking control freaks...


People who abuse sugar have health problems. Those health problems cost EVERYONE money by increasing the cost of private health insurance and the taxes that people pay towards medicare.

/let's throw some gas on this fire

Okay, I'll play along...

That's WHY you don't want government health care -- it gives the government at least a logical reason why they should have their grubby little fingers in every part of your life. (Not that employer-provided insurance is much better...)


andrewjrivers.com
 
2012-06-17 01:07:45 AM

Dr.Zom: LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.

I repeat, that roll of fat around the middle of an otherwise normal shaped human, was rare as hell. That never showed up until HFCS started being added to everything. There's something about that shiat that condenses fat around the middle.


I came of age in the sixties-early 70s, and sugar was everywhere. My mom served rice with butter and sugar for chrissakes. And yet, what you say is true. When I look back on the one girl in our neighborhood, that's right, one girl, who we thought of as 'fat', she would be totally unremarkable [insert anus joke here] in a lot of schools nowadays. My guess is that the causal factor is not one thing. It is increasingly sedentary lifestyles, abundance of food in huge portions (compare the 6 oz. Coke bottle from the 30s and 40s to the Big Gulp), and perhaps the change in the type of sweeteners used.
 
2012-06-17 01:07:51 AM
I think many people, myself included, don't realize how much sugar and HFCS there is in everything, even things that aren't sweet. Try to find sugar-free toast bread, for instance. It's really hard.A
 
2012-06-17 01:08:08 AM
FTA:As mounting evidence leads to the tart truth that sugar is a toxic substance and fueling America's biggest health problems, more medical experts are going sugar-free, and more policymakers are seeking ways to clamp down on its consumption

Well since this person has no farking idea what the word "toxic" actually means, I think I won't waste my team reading the rest of the article because I can already tell he is a complete dumbass.
 
2012-06-17 01:10:08 AM
Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!
 
2012-06-17 01:10:42 AM

reubendaley: www.blogcdn.com

Hates hearing his name mispronounced


Wil Arneat? He's awesome. I wouldn't want to be friends with him or anything. I just like his characters.
 
2012-06-17 01:11:01 AM

qualtrough: Dr.Zom: LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.

I repeat, that roll of fat around the middle of an otherwise normal shaped human, was rare as hell. That never showed up until HFCS started being added to everything. There's something about that shiat that condenses fat around the middle.

I came of age in the sixties-early 70s, and sugar was everywhere. My mom served rice with butter and sugar for chrissakes. And yet, what you say is true. When I look back on the one girl in our neighborhood, that's right, one girl, who we thought of as 'fat', she would be totally unremarkable [insert anus joke here] in a lot of schools nowadays. My guess is that the causal factor is not one thing. It is increasingly sedentary lifestyles, abundance of food in huge portions (compare the 6 oz. Coke bottle from the 30s and 40s to the Big Gulp), and perhaps the change in the type of sweeteners used.


Me too. Hardly anyone was fat. Rice,butter, sugar and milk, yum. Fast food was a rare treat.
I remember people putting sugar on fruit salad and grapefruit.
Also all the kids walked or rode their bikes to school.
 
2012-06-17 01:12:37 AM
Anyone who makes a statement like "Sugar is a toxin," is either a fear monger or a moron. Reason is that we absolutely rely on a sugar, glucose, to live. It is a metabolic intermediary and important source of energy. You have no glucose in you, you will die.

There are many sugars out there, sucrose, the common table sugar is 50/50 glucose and fructose. Fructose is the sugar you find in plants a whole lot, also in honey, and of course HFCS. There are also more complex sugars like maltose, lactose, and so on.

So the concept of "sugar" being toxic is just retarded. No, a sugar is a requisite for life and is present in your blood at all times. Now, could one of the other sugars be problematic? Maybe, but then of course we'd need to see some research showing how and why. After all if you are talking about table sugar, sucrose, it is as mentioned a 50/50 combo of glucose and fructose. You can't very well argue that the glucose part is toxic, and as mentioned fructose is what you get in fruit so unless you are arguing that is toxic that's out too. That would only leave some strange combo as being bad and you'd have to have some good evidence to back that up.

So as I said, either a fear monger or a moron if you call it a toxin.
 
2012-06-17 01:12:47 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

Well, I don't know if this explains it, but I'm sort of the opposite. I'm from a southern family and we'd have pitchers of sweet tea with dinner every night. I'm talking 2 cups of sugar sweet. Now, as an adult, I drink mainly water, or if I'm at a restaurant I might order an unsweetened tea. Every once in a while the order will get messed up and I'll take a sip of sweet tea and it tastes like syrup to me.


Ditto.

I grew up on syrupy sweet tea of the South; now I have no taste for it whatsoever. I still drink plenty of tea, both hot and cold, but unsweetened (not even with artificial sweeteners). I do drink filtered water here in SoCal---the water, straight from the tap, tastes like Hugh Hefner's swimming pool---though I do drink straight-from-the-tap water when I'm visiting family in flyover country (and it's delicious....so much better than anything I've had here in California).

That said, I do drink Mexican Coke a couple times a week (the stuff made with cane sugar and not high-fructose corn syrup). Mexican Coke just tastes better to me, though largely due to being stored in a glass bottled rather than a plastic bottle I speculate.
 
2012-06-17 01:13:07 AM

phedex: optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.

not true at all. Born in '81. real butter is amazing. I still have nightmares about my mom making popcorn and melting margarine to pour on it. yech.

/They also microwaved hamburgers wrapped in saran wrap.


Yep, this right here.
As soon as I moved out, I never touched margarine again. Almost 30yrs. ago.

/yipes. mah lawn
 
2012-06-17 01:14:03 AM
Or maybe this is actually the problem.

4.bp.blogspot.com

The US has one of the highest calorie diets of the world. The US does not have the highest starch diet in the world. The US has one of the highest ratings of obesity in the world.

It's not farking rocket science.
 
2012-06-17 01:15:18 AM

coco ebert: I think many people, myself included, don't realize how much sugar and HFCS there is in everything, even things that aren't sweet. Try to find sugar-free toast bread, for instance. It's really hard.A


That's been my big shock as well. I was making a turkey sandwich the other day and I looked at the labels of this delicious garlic mustard I love and saw it had sugar, then I looked at the dill pickles and saw they contained HFCS. It's probably a minor amount, but I was still surprised as I don't associate either of these foods with having sugar since they're not sweet. It's been happening a lot lately now that I'm aware. So much for just not eating sweets :/.
 
2012-06-17 01:15:54 AM
Dr.Zom:
LarryDan43: Sugar or corn syrup?

I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when everybody ate sugar all the time and yet no one was really fat. Fat people were an anomaly. And more importantly, YOU NEVER SAW MUFFINTOPS.

I repeat, that roll of fat around the middle of an otherwise normal shaped human, was rare as hell. That never showed up until HFCS started being added to everything. There's something about that shiat that condenses fat around the middle.

To inject some reality here, people started (on average) gaining a lot of weight when "low fat" became the diet "magic words." The HFCS thing is just a coincidence. HFCS is simply cheaper sugar than cane sugar. The idea that fat is worse for someone than, well, anything else, is simply wrong. Sugars (including HFCS) are the problem, and when "low fat" stuff came out, they often replaced the fats with starches, which are sugar by the time they reach your stomach.

Fat is really only bad in combination with refined carbohydrates. Together, they make plaque on your arteries. Without that, one can be overweight without necessarily being unhealthy. Blaming fat for making people fat is, literally, magical thinking. For most, fat is the way that the body stores extra carbohydrates for, ahem, "leaner times."
 
2012-06-17 01:16:13 AM

Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!


They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.
 
2012-06-17 01:16:26 AM
Thanks for the personal perspectives on my son's disinclination to drink plain water. At first I thought it was just youthful rebellion, and that it would go away with time. Hasn't happened though. Odd.
 
2012-06-17 01:17:45 AM
What a population who has a diet manly of simple starches may look like:

factsanddetails.com

They are not fat. They are thin. They eat less calories then people in the US do. When Asians move to the US and eat a high calorie diet with less starch the get fatter.
 
2012-06-17 01:17:47 AM

TheMysticS:
As soon as I moved out, I never touched margarine again. Almost 30yrs. ago.

/yipes. mah lawn


Thirded.

\real butter only
\\accept no substitutes
 
2012-06-17 01:18:46 AM

miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.


HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!
 
2012-06-17 01:19:53 AM

sycraft: Anyone who makes a statement like "Sugar is a toxin," is either a fear monger or a moron. Reason is that we absolutely rely on a sugar, glucose, to live. It is a metabolic intermediary and important source of energy. You have no glucose in you, you will die.

There are many sugars out there, sucrose, the common table sugar is 50/50 glucose and fructose. Fructose is the sugar you find in plants a whole lot, also in honey, and of course HFCS. There are also more complex sugars like maltose, lactose, and so on.

So the concept of "sugar" being toxic is just retarded. No, a sugar is a requisite for life and is present in your blood at all times. Now, could one of the other sugars be problematic? Maybe, but then of course we'd need to see some research showing how and why. After all if you are talking about table sugar, sucrose, it is as mentioned a 50/50 combo of glucose and fructose. You can't very well argue that the glucose part is toxic, and as mentioned fructose is what you get in fruit so unless you are arguing that is toxic that's out too. That would only leave some strange combo as being bad and you'd have to have some good evidence to back that up.

So as I said, either a fear monger or a moron if you call it a toxin.


Oh, it isn't a direct toxin. However, if it isn't balanced in the diet with fiber, protein, and other things at reasonable levels, it can cause the pancreas and the liver to go off the rails, producing fat people, diabetes, and other things.

Just from a time correlative observation, the introduction of HFCS into the vast majority of processed food products (1996), seems hard to ignore. As we find people eating less balanced diets and we realize that fructose is processed in the body differently than sucrose and other sugars, it is hardly unreasonable to look at HFCS as part of the problem.

Remember, water makes up 70% of our bodies, try drinking a couple of gallons of it and see what happens (you go into a coma and die).
 
2012-06-17 01:19:54 AM
You think glucose is a toxin? Try living without it, and we'll see what happens.
 
2012-06-17 01:21:32 AM

miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.


You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.
 
2012-06-17 01:22:50 AM

Corvus: What a population who has a diet manly of simple starches may look like:

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They are not fat. They are thin. They eat less calories then people in the US do. When Asians move to the US and eat a high calorie diet with less starch the get fatter.


Actually, their health problems are multiplying there as they adopt Western diets, no moving necessary. Again, what starches/sugars and what else is in the diet to balance that out?
 
2012-06-17 01:23:43 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!


No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...
 
2012-06-17 01:24:05 AM

iaazathot: sycraft: Anyone who makes a statement like "Sugar is a toxin," is either a fear monger or a moron. Reason is that we absolutely rely on a sugar, glucose, to live. It is a metabolic intermediary and important source of energy. You have no glucose in you, you will die.

There are many sugars out there, sucrose, the common table sugar is 50/50 glucose and fructose. Fructose is the sugar you find in plants a whole lot, also in honey, and of course HFCS. There are also more complex sugars like maltose, lactose, and so on.

So the concept of "sugar" being toxic is just retarded. No, a sugar is a requisite for life and is present in your blood at all times. Now, could one of the other sugars be problematic? Maybe, but then of course we'd need to see some research showing how and why. After all if you are talking about table sugar, sucrose, it is as mentioned a 50/50 combo of glucose and fructose. You can't very well argue that the glucose part is toxic, and as mentioned fructose is what you get in fruit so unless you are arguing that is toxic that's out too. That would only leave some strange combo as being bad and you'd have to have some good evidence to back that up.

So as I said, either a fear monger or a moron if you call it a toxin.

Oh, it isn't a direct toxin. However, if it isn't balanced in the diet with fiber, protein, and other things at reasonable levels, it can cause the pancreas and the liver to go off the rails, producing fat people, diabetes, and other things.

Just from a time correlative observation, the introduction of HFCS into the vast majority of processed food products (1996), seems hard to ignore. As we find people eating less balanced diets and we realize that fructose is processed in the body differently than sucrose and other sugars, it is hardly unreasonable to look at HFCS as part of the problem.

Remember, water makes up 70% of our bodies, try drinking a couple of gallons of it and see what happens (you go into a coma and die).


The introduction of HFCS and heavily processed foods also coincides with a rise in allergies and such.
 
2012-06-17 01:25:12 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.


You're certainly getting riled up. Insulin has a LOT to do with weight gain. There are many books on the topic... but if you want it broken down simply, here's this guy: http://blog.massivehealth.com/infographics/Carbs_are_killing_you/
 
2012-06-17 01:25:56 AM

LoneWolf343: You think glucose is a toxin? Try living without it, and we'll see what happens.


I heard some other idiot say this once in person. They have no farking clue what the word "toxin" means and they want us to take them serious on thier BS of pretending the obesity epidemic of the last 30 years was cause 10,000 years ago. They are a bunch of idiots.

Sugar is a "toxin" great show me deaths from OD of direct ingestion of sugar! I'll bet someone here I can ingest any amount of sugar that's possible cosumable and not die. Anything else that is a real toxin there is some point you will die from taking it.

The word "unhealthy" and "toxin" is not mean the same thing. And if you think it doesn't you don't know shiat about what you are talking about.
 
2012-06-17 01:25:57 AM
Problem is, the AMA has become nothing more than a mouthpiece (pun intended) for the anti everything crowd.

Next week in Chicago, delegates to the American Medical Association - a group that creates much of the country's medical advice
 
2012-06-17 01:26:15 AM

Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

You guys defending this do this all the time you change the subject when you are shown wrong. Where was I talking about insulin? I was talking about weight gain. These idiots are saying simple starches cause weight gain not calories. That is Bull shiat!! Why are you changing the subject. saying simple sugars/starches can modify insulin has NOTHING to do with weight gain.


You are completely and utterly wrong on that point. You are making a ridiculous reductionist argument and ignoring systemic effects.
 
2012-06-17 01:29:17 AM

miss marla singer: Corvus: miss marla singer: Corvus: Refined sugars and starches are a metabolic problem because humans weren't made for today's Western diet, said Dr. Devendra Mehta, a pediatric gastroenterologist at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

Right because we know Japanese and Italian who have huge diets of starches are all more over weight than Americans... OH wait that's not farking true at all!!!

They remain insulin sensitive because their foods aren't packed with all the crap ours are.

HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FAT BASED ON STARCH?!!! You are changing the subject!!!

No...I'm certainly not changing the subject. Carbs/starches effect the blood sugar, which effects insulin... which effects weight gain. Asians remain insulin sensitive, generally, because their traditional food isn't full of extra sugar which, as time goes on, would make them insulin resistant (and gain weight)...


YES. YES YOU ARE.

Japanese eat a shiat load of rice!!! White race is a simple starch. This article and these Paleo idiots say simple starches make you fat.


Ok answer me this then:

Do Japanese eat a lot of white rice?
Is Japanese a simple starch?
Are Japanese more then then Americans?
So is the statement that simple starches make you fat not calories bullshiat?

I know you will dodge it because I've talked to people who use the Paleo diet as a religion before and they always change the subject.
 
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