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2012-06-16 11:04:10 PM  

spaten: Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.


miss marla singer: Fruits of today are MUCH, MUCH sweeter than fruits of the paleolithic era.


I'll have to look into these theories sometime.
 
2012-06-16 11:04:12 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Everything in moderation, but those who abuse sugar deserve a good caning.


Old joke, but I gave it a [Funny!] nonetheless.
 
2012-06-16 11:04:18 PM  

MarkEC: guises: Really the problem with processed foods isn't the processing, it's the packaging - making food edible when it has to sit on a shelf for god knows how long means adding lots of crap to it. Sugar, fat, and salt replace the essential oils and flavonoids that make foods taste good, but are too volatile to sit on a shelf for that long.

Fat is one of the ingredients taken out to prolong shelf life, not added in.

Try an experiment, make a batch of brownies made with the current recipe on the Hershey's coco package, and one with the recipe from 30 years ago with 1/2 pound of butter. Then eat them on different days and see how many you can eat before you start to feel full. The old recipe will seem so much richer than the new recipe, that you will feel fuller with far fewer calories eaten. Fat being taken out of food was not because of obesity, but because of the link to heart disease that has not been proven.


You are much better at explaining things than I am. I will refrain from saying "THIS" to everything you say... but it is implied.
 
2012-06-16 11:07:52 PM  

cmunic8r99: Sometimes, I want to go through the grocery store and cover every "low fat", "less fat", and "no fat" marking on packages with stickers that say "high sugar content".


I think I've found my new hobby.
 
2012-06-16 11:08:47 PM  

optikeye: Their tomato soup is still far to sweet for me tho....it didn't used to be that sweet.


Do a 6 oz can tomato paste, 3/4 c. water, and 1 1/2 c. milk. Add in about 1/2 tsp. sugar (or less, to taste), a pinch or two of salt, and spices/seasonings to taste. It's almost as quick as canned tomato soup but you can control the salt & sugar content of it.

/To make it even healthier, use skim milk.
//Even better? Coconut milk.
 
2012-06-16 11:09:03 PM  
I dropped my soda intake to one day a month starting at the beginning of the year and I've lost 20 pounds without doing a lick of exercise, so Im getting a kick...
 
2012-06-16 11:12:01 PM  
Having not read the thread or TFA, I still want to say that when I abstained from sugar, I thought that even fruit was super sweet. Seriously, a banana was almost too sweet for me. These days, I just eat whatever I want within reason, and avoid stupid shiat like "low fat", while eating reasonable foods like bacon, eggs and high quality meats and veggies. It's never been easier to maintain my weight, even while drinking more booze than the average farker. If anything, eating high quality fats and protein while avoiding crap carbs as much as possible has made it harder to gain weight. And I desperately need to gain farkin' weight. I'm 5' 10" and 155 lbs, male, and I eat bacon, eggs and potatoes every day for breakfast. My blood work is phenomenal, and I'm so awesome I don't even need to be at the gym in 26 minutes. The gym comes to me.

/Need more coconut oil.
//That stuff is my bestestest friend evar
 
2012-06-16 11:12:49 PM  

Gulper Eel: I wonder if these scare stories are coming up only because nobody has yet found a way to pimp sugar with pretentious foodie bullshiat like they do with other unhealthful-when-overdone products like coffee, alcohol, and even salt.


let me introduce you to

Evaporated Cane Juice

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2012-06-16 11:13:34 PM  
Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.
 
2012-06-16 11:14:40 PM  
Seriously, the left is more authoritarian then the right and have less of a clue. Un-Constitutional Control by both sides. I guess you could make a 10th Amendment argument, States rights and all, but this isn't in the realm of government.

/Resident of the Peoples Republic of California
 
2012-06-16 11:16:32 PM  

boozerman:
You can blame the nutrients all you want, people are eating more than they used to. And doing less. Food is even more clearly labeled now than it ever was. Sugar isn't the villain, carbs aren't the villain, fat isn't the villain, over consumption of calories is the villain. That's in our control. People have lost grasp of moderation. And it is possible..


People say this but is there any evidence that today's meals are larger? I remember regularly eating meals as a kid that would dwarf anything you'll find at say, the Olive Garden.
 
2012-06-16 11:16:34 PM  

Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.


A good reason that the body evolved to use glucose as its basic fuel is that fructose is harder to deal with. Basically more damage potential..
 
2012-06-16 11:16:47 PM  

MarkEC: Fat is one of the ingredients taken out to prolong shelf life, not added in.


It's not about prolonging shelf life, it's about making old food still feel moist when you eat it. They certainly do take out unsaturated fats for the sake of prolonging shelf life, but they often add more heavily saturated fats back in - saturated fats stay good for a very long time and have a higher melting point, which gives a better feel in the mouth for many foods.

There's no debate that fat makes you feel fuller for longer, but it also has more than double the calories of carbohydrates or protein so that's not exactly the end-all of the matter.
 
2012-06-16 11:16:55 PM  

phedex: I have definitely noticed a serious change in my overall sense of well being since I cut out most sugar. I recently drastically altered my diet, one of the things being junk food and soda (regular or diet). I've had a few diet sodas over the last month, whereas I was drinking a few per day every day for years. And buying regular soda on the weekend, candy bars, etc. I do still put a few packets of sugar in my first coffee of the day, but thats a drop in the river compared to how much overall sugar I was getting into, not even considering the amount of junk carbs i was getting from chips and reese cups.

It was really surprising just how much it was affecting me. I've been very active since my early twenties in terms of working out, but around 9 months ago something kicked in and while I didnt stop exercising, crap food just started getting into me, and it just became easy to eat shiat. I know it was my own fault, but i was definitely craving it on par with nicotine or anything else addictive (from experience).

I'm now down 12lbs, with about 25 to go to get back to my ideal weight. Crap food habits can literally get into anyone, I dont judge. And it is addicitve. and there is definitely a difference for the better that you will notice if you give it up. I'm horny more often, I swear my skin and face looks healthier. I'm not shiatting 3x a day.

Once I get back down to 200, I will definitely allow myself a treat once in a while. york peppermint patty or something. But for now until I get to that and feel i have full control of my compulsions again, no more!

/fark Sugar


Very nice.

Here are a few tips:

To get sugar out of your coffee, switch to lightly roasted. Dark roasted is the norm because it helps mask the bad flavor of cheap beans (which is why it's so dark roast is so prevalent in coffee chains -- they're using cheap beans). The darker you roast the beans, the more bitter the coffee tastes, which is what drives people to put sugar in it.

With breakfast, if you haven't done it yet, try steel cut oatmeal. Very low in calories, and it easily absorbs the flavor of sweetener, so all it takes is a little brown suger to sweeten it up. Also, it's dirt cheap -- buy it in the bulk grain section of the supermarket rather than already canned.

Greek Yogurt. It's the food of gods. Low in calories and very high in protein. My favorite by far is Chobani. You can also use plain greek yogurt as a dairy substitute for cooking.

If you want to have just a salad for a meal but find it's not filling enough, add a legume to it. Low in calories, high in protein and fiber.

Cut out pasta and replace with farro.
 
2012-06-16 11:17:24 PM  

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.


not true at all. Born in '81. real butter is amazing. I still have nightmares about my mom making popcorn and melting margarine to pour on it. yech.

/They also microwaved hamburgers wrapped in saran wrap.
 
2012-06-16 11:17:30 PM  

Jack Kerouac:
/Need more coconut oil.
//That stuff is my bestestest friend evar


Coconut oil protip: Use it to make popcorn the old fashioned way in a lidded pot on the stovetop. With just the littlest bit of salt sprinkled on, it's the best popcorn you've ever had.

/Bonus idea for weight gain: Fry up some bacon. Leave the grease in the pan. Crumble bacon into a grilled cheese sandwich you cook in the bacon grease. The bread will toast up perfectly with molten bacon cheese inside, because bacon fat has a high smoke point. You can get that sandwich hotter than with butter or plant oils before it brown/blackens.
 
2012-06-16 11:17:45 PM  

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.


And now people buy sugar and fat free food that is instead full of mysterious chemicals, many of which turn out to be bad for us each year.
 
2012-06-16 11:18:47 PM  

Jack Kerouac: Having not read the thread or TFA, I still want to say that when I abstained from sugar, I thought that even fruit was super sweet. Seriously, a banana was almost too sweet for me. These days, I just eat whatever I want within reason, and avoid stupid shiat like "low fat", while eating reasonable foods like bacon, eggs and high quality meats and veggies. It's never been easier to maintain my weight, even while drinking more booze than the average farker. If anything, eating high quality fats and protein while avoiding crap carbs as much as possible has made it harder to gain weight. And I desperately need to gain farkin' weight. I'm 5' 10" and 155 lbs, male, and I eat bacon, eggs and potatoes every day for breakfast. My blood work is phenomenal, and I'm so awesome I don't even need to be at the gym in 26 minutes. The gym comes to me.

/Need more coconut oil.
//That stuff is my bestestest friend evar


I have had so many people tell me to cut sugar, eliminate refined carbs, etc. It's almost impossible for me to do that! The more I think about reducing my intake of sugar/refined carbs, the more I want it! But then my personal trainer told me NOT to cut carbs but to simply increase my proteins. He suggested eggs, protein shakes, etc. - lots of high-protein, low-carb meals. Suddenly, I stopped eating those refined carbs, not because I was TRYING to avoid them, but because the protein kept my sugar levels stable and I wasn't craving them at all. Had he told me to cut the carbs, I would've had a heck of a time doing it. But instead he gave me something to replace them with, and I no longer wanted them.
 
2012-06-16 11:23:06 PM  
I've have a lot of opinions on this and similar topics but I think it can be boiled down into: don't buy food, buy ingredients and make you own breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yes it takes more time, tough shait. People say we should eat lower on the food chain, I say we should eat lower down the food processing chain. Prepare your own meals and you won't have to worry about too much sugar...too much salt...too much fat...too much dilithium crystals..or whatever it is that is supposed to be killing us.

/eat more vegetables too
 
2012-06-16 11:23:38 PM  

Dr.Zom: boozerman:
You can blame the nutrients all you want, people are eating more than they used to. And doing less. Food is even more clearly labeled now than it ever was. Sugar isn't the villain, carbs aren't the villain, fat isn't the villain, over consumption of calories is the villain. That's in our control. People have lost grasp of moderation. And it is possible..

People say this but is there any evidence that today's meals are larger? I remember regularly eating meals as a kid that would dwarf anything you'll find at say, the Olive Garden.


I haven't looked in to any research on meal size except for studies debunking that whole "eat 6-7000" times a day bullshiat. But, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that calories are more distributed through out the day. I remember growing up, we got 3 meals a day and ate very little in between and really only drank water or milk between meals. I'd say more calorie dense beverages and snacks are being consumed through out the day, which will point people without an understanding of physiology to blame the fat/sugar in those things, rather than the added calories.
 
2012-06-16 11:24:50 PM  

vodka: Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.


There is actually very little evidence that fat intake -- even saturated fat -- has anything to do with heart disease or any other malady.
There is plenty of evidence, however, that high sugar intake causes all sorts of problems, including diabetes, obesity, and their attendant health issues.

Now, I'm not saying that sugar is evil, or toxic, or any of that other nonsense. But it IS worse than just about anything else to eat in excess, especially if you lead an inactive lifestyle.


guises: Reverting back to how things were before is not a solution. There's a reason why there was a craze to remove so much fat from our packaged foods - people were getting fat.


This is actually quite wrong.
The reason isn't that people were getting fat, the reason is that someone published a highly flawed study back in the 50's that insinuated that the Western lifestyle was unhealthy simply by looking at heart disease rates in other countries. However, it failed to take into account any other primarily Western activities such as smoking (EXTREMELY ubiquitous during that time), and ignored data from other many other countries that didn't fit their conclusions.

/Here is a peer-reviewed article on the subject that you may find illuminating
//Science, Vol.291
///Another one from Men's Health
 
2012-06-16 11:25:22 PM  
spaten: Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.

miss marla singer: Fruits of today are MUCH, MUCH sweeter than fruits of the paleolithic era.

I'll have to look into these theories sometime.

Here is a mainstream, one. The data is from prehistoic burials:

Link
 
2012-06-16 11:25:46 PM  

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.


Heh I use butter on most things but as a kid we used imperial margarine a lot. I still use it on muffins and things like banana bread. It just doesn't taste the same without it.
 
2012-06-16 11:25:56 PM  
Sometimes I can find Coca Cola made with real cane sugar. And it's bottled in Mexico. Rum cokes taste better with sugar than that diet stuff. And my favorite candy is dark chocolate that is at least 70% coaca. I drink my coffee black and think sweet tea is gross.
 
2012-06-16 11:26:12 PM  

optikeye: Remember when "fat" was the enemy...and everyone switched to Margarine instead of real butter? Until we found out about transfats in the margarine where worse for you than butterfats.

I know people raised in the 80's that think real butter doesn't taste like 'butter' and only like squeeze bottles of parkay and 'butter spreads'.


I grew up in the 80's and have never heard that. However, the anti-fat thing is engrained in my head. I remember being a kid and thinking, hey pasta isn't bad for me because it has low fat and other such ideas.

I'm not much of a sugar consumer in the sense that I don't eat sweets, I don't drink regular soda (yes I know how bad diet is as well but I still like it from time to time :/), and I never add sugar to anything like drinks or cereal. I do like beer/wine and fruit though so there is that.

However, it's become quite disturbing to me to read labels and find out how basically everything gets sugar added to it, even foods that aren't sweet in the slightest bit. Since I hate sweet flavors, I always thought I was avoiding sugar consumption for the most part, but I didn't realize I was eating it in basically every processed food I bought :/.

I've just resigned to the fact that we can't win if we eat processed food. And by processed, I don't just mean twinkies and chips. Unfortunately almost all the food sold is processed to some degree though. It seems like unless you're out there growing your own vegetables, hunting your own meat, milking your own cow, and harvesting your own chicken eggs you're screwed. Or at least that's what the fear-mongering articles that get published every hour have lead me to believe.
 
2012-06-16 11:26:42 PM  

miss marla singer: I know you are being sarcastic but it is surprising how so many people don't know that table sugar is half fructose and half sucrose[glucose]. And that people think eating fruit is very good when that's just ALL fructose. Sigh.


yeah. And table salt is 50% Sodium, a metal that explodes on contact with water, and 50% Chlorine, a gas used for warfare in WWI.

So it must be super badass!

/chemistry, how does it work?
 
2012-06-16 11:26:54 PM  
I've been eating all low carb/cut the sugar/more fat and protein since last year. It is really hard to do now since the low carb craze died out and we have aisles of "gluten free" hipster crap and no low sugar items in the stores. Got my glucose levels way down, lost 20 lbs, eat all I want when I want. I'll avoid saturated fat when I can, why not, but regular fat, yum.
 
2012-06-16 11:27:38 PM  

Dr.Zom: boozerman:
You can blame the nutrients all you want, people are eating more than they used to. And doing less. Food is even more clearly labeled now than it ever was. Sugar isn't the villain, carbs aren't the villain, fat isn't the villain, over consumption of calories is the villain. That's in our control. People have lost grasp of moderation. And it is possible..

People say this but is there any evidence that today's meals are larger? I remember regularly eating meals as a kid that would dwarf anything you'll find at say, the Olive Garden.


The physical size of the food or the room it takes up on a plate may not be larger, but the caloric intake is higher.

For example, a typical meal when I was growing up would have been fresh caught fish, green beans from the field, corn on the cob and sweet tea. As much of it as you could eat. Still, even three platefuls of that meal probably has less calories than your typical extra value meal.
 
2012-06-16 11:28:34 PM  

Gawdzila: vodka: Yeah right, like all the fat and processing has nothing to do with it. It's all because of sugar.

There is actually very little evidence that fat intake -- even saturated fat -- has anything to do with heart disease or any other malady.
There is plenty of evidence, however, that high sugar intake causes all sorts of problems, including diabetes, obesity, and their attendant health issues.

Now, I'm not saying that sugar is evil, or toxic, or any of that other nonsense. But it IS worse than just about anything else to eat in excess, especially if you lead an inactive lifestyle.


guises: Reverting back to how things were before is not a solution. There's a reason why there was a craze to remove so much fat from our packaged foods - people were getting fat.

This is actually quite wrong.
The reason isn't that people were getting fat, the reason is that someone published a highly flawed study back in the 50's that insinuated that the Western lifestyle was unhealthy simply by looking at heart disease rates in other countries. However, it failed to take into account any other primarily Western activities such as smoking (EXTREMELY ubiquitous during that time), and ignored data from other many other countries that didn't fit their conclusions.

/Here is a peer-reviewed article on the subject that you may find illuminating
//Science, Vol.291
///Another one from Men's Health


This. (I never do that)
 
2012-06-16 11:28:56 PM  

Gawdzila: /Here is a peer-reviewed article on the subject that you may find illuminating
//Science, Vol.291
///Another one from Men's Health


Thanks for the links. I'll read them, though not right this instant.
 
2012-06-16 11:29:19 PM  

miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.


Theres an extra step to digesting sucrose than there is unbonded fructose/glucose. With HFCS, the glucose hits your bloodstream asap, while the fructose heads to the liver and in the absense of cellulose (like if the fructose were coming from fruit), it gets converted pretty much directly to fat. Most HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, so it IS 10% worse for you than sucrose.

Science!
 
2012-06-16 11:30:33 PM  
Again? It keeps attacking each year. At least according to fark articles
 
2012-06-16 11:31:13 PM  

spaten: J. Frank Parnell: Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.

Ancient people who ate lots of fruit still left skeletons with heads full of pearly white teeth. They didn't use toothpaste, either.

Anyone who tries to tell you refined sugar is the same as all sugars is full of shiat, or trying to kill you.

Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.


i158.photobucket.com

Came to say this. Glad that you seem to have it covered.
 
2012-06-16 11:32:07 PM  

Cyno01: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Theres an extra step to digesting sucrose than there is unbonded fructose/glucose. With HFCS, the glucose hits your bloodstream asap, while the fructose heads to the liver and in the absense of cellulose (like if the fructose were coming from fruit), it gets converted pretty much directly to fat. Most HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, so it IS 10% worse for you than sucrose.

Science!


Well, I think the issue is that people who demand real sugur be used in things like soft drinks instead of HFCS are missing the larger issue.
 
2012-06-16 11:32:50 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I've been eating all low carb/cut the sugar/more fat and protein since last year. It is really hard to do now since the low carb craze died out and we have aisles of "gluten free" hipster crap and no low sugar items in the stores. Got my glucose levels way down, lost 20 lbs, eat all I want when I want. I'll avoid saturated fat when I can, why not, but regular fat, yum.


It's still fairly new research, and some of the methodologies can be questionable, but there is some need to research dietary fat intakes coming from people not getting a variety of fats in their diets and having too high of an omega 6 intake (most normal polyunsaturated fats) and too low of an omega3/sat/monounsaturated fat content. The ratios that seem to have a correlation to problems that need further investigation come about from people going out of their way to get poly fats though (such as using canola oil AND avoiding animal fat)
 
2012-06-16 11:33:36 PM  
"Not all calories equal"
Yes, yes they are equal. A calorie is a unit of energy. One calorie is exactly the same as every other calorie. What you mean to say is that not all FOOD is handled the same way by our bodies.
 
2012-06-16 11:34:41 PM  

boozerman: KarmicDisaster: I've been eating all low carb/cut the sugar/more fat and protein since last year. It is really hard to do now since the low carb craze died out and we have aisles of "gluten free" hipster crap and no low sugar items in the stores. Got my glucose levels way down, lost 20 lbs, eat all I want when I want. I'll avoid saturated fat when I can, why not, but regular fat, yum.

It's still fairly new research, and some of the methodologies can be questionable, but there is some need to research dietary fat intakes coming from people not getting a variety of fats in their diets and having too high of an omega 6 intake (most normal polyunsaturated fats) and too low of an omega3/sat/monounsaturated fat content. The ratios that seem to have a correlation to problems that need further investigation come about from people going out of their way to get poly fats though (such as using canola oil AND avoiding animal fat)


This is actually why eggs from grass fed hens are better than those from grain fed hens - the omega 3:6 ratios are much closer.
 
2012-06-16 11:34:47 PM  

spaten: spaten: Actually tooth decay is a result of the agricultural revolution, thousands of years before refined sugar.

miss marla singer: Fruits of today are MUCH, MUCH sweeter than fruits of the paleolithic era.

I'll have to look into these theories sometime.

Here is a mainstream, one. The data is from prehistoic burials:

Link



It's actually thought that corn domestication was when our dental health really took a nosedive.


/second-hand expert
//wife has a degree in Anthropology
 
2012-06-16 11:34:52 PM  

Cyno01: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Theres an extra step to digesting sucrose than there is unbonded fructose/glucose. With HFCS, the glucose hits your bloodstream asap, while the fructose heads to the liver and in the absense of cellulose (like if the fructose were coming from fruit), it gets converted pretty much directly to fat. Most HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, so it IS 10% worse for you than sucrose.

Science!


MAYBE if you are completely fasted and have an empty GI track. That's the magic of digestion and mixed meals though. Most of the time you already either have fiber in your system or have just eaten something with fiber in it with your HFCS consumption, so the point is moot.
 
2012-06-16 11:35:28 PM  

Dr.Zom: People say this but is there any evidence that today's meals are larger?


They don't have to be. Eating more carbs means that people will tend to eat more often, even with similar-sized meals. Also, undeniably, things like sodas come in MUCH larger sizes than they ever did before. I'm fairly certain that you couldn't go to 7-11 or McDonalds and order one of these monsters:
i.imgur.com

Now, I'm not gonna rag on soda because Coca Cola is my preferred vice. I love the stuff. But I am also an active person in general, I don't eat dessert very often at all, and I certainly don't consume Double Gulps or 2-liters on a daily basis like some fatarses do. Eat what your activity level can support. If you start to gain weight, either eat less (cut sugar first), or exercise more. I farking love to eat, so I made my choice ;)
 
2012-06-16 11:36:41 PM  
Who would have thought a substance we use in an entirely too large of quantities in just about every food product we eat would turn out to be bad for us?
 
2012-06-16 11:37:00 PM  

DrPainMD: I remember the good old days, when liberals said, "it's my body... I'll do what I want with it."


Liberals walk this way! And conservatives walk this way!
/laugh track
 
2012-06-16 11:37:09 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: boozerman: KarmicDisaster: I've been eating all low carb/cut the sugar/more fat and protein since last year. It is really hard to do now since the low carb craze died out and we have aisles of "gluten free" hipster crap and no low sugar items in the stores. Got my glucose levels way down, lost 20 lbs, eat all I want when I want. I'll avoid saturated fat when I can, why not, but regular fat, yum.

It's still fairly new research, and some of the methodologies can be questionable, but there is some need to research dietary fat intakes coming from people not getting a variety of fats in their diets and having too high of an omega 6 intake (most normal polyunsaturated fats) and too low of an omega3/sat/monounsaturated fat content. The ratios that seem to have a correlation to problems that need further investigation come about from people going out of their way to get poly fats though (such as using canola oil AND avoiding animal fat)

This is actually why eggs from grass fed hens are better than those from grain fed hens - the omega 3:6 ratios are much closer.



Absolutely. And the actual chicken too. Not to mention grass fed beef. But, if it gets pricey, some fish caps help out a lot too.
 
2012-06-16 11:39:14 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Dwedit: Because fruit is sugar-free.

Ancient people who ate lots of fruit still left skeletons with heads full of pearly white teeth. They didn't use toothpaste, either.

Anyone who tries to tell you refined sugar is the same as all sugars is full of shiat, or trying to kill you.


That's because they died before they hit 20.
 
2012-06-16 11:41:36 PM  
Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields,
Sold in a market down in new orleans.
Scarred old slaver know he's doin alright.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good
(a-ha) brown sugar, just like a young girl should
A-huh.

Drums beating, cold english blood runs hot,
Lady of the house wondrin where it's gonna stop.
House boy knows that he's doin alright.
You should a heard him just around midnight.
Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good
(a-ha) brown sugar, just like a black girl should
A-huh.

I bet your mama was a tent show queen, and all her boy
Friends were sweet sixteen.
Im no schoolboy but I know what I like,
You should have heard me just around midnight.

Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good
(a-ha) brown sugar, just like a young girl should.

I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like a, just like a black girl should.

I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like, just like a black girl should.
 
2012-06-16 11:42:48 PM  

thornhill: Cyno01: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Theres an extra step to digesting sucrose than there is unbonded fructose/glucose. With HFCS, the glucose hits your bloodstream asap, while the fructose heads to the liver and in the absense of cellulose (like if the fructose were coming from fruit), it gets converted pretty much directly to fat. Most HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, so it IS 10% worse for you than sucrose.

Science!

Well, I think the issue is that people who demand real sugur be used in things like soft drinks instead of HFCS are missing the larger issue.


It's true, I hate the corn lobby. But also, I'd rather they use sugar in sodas because sugar tastes better.
They say your body handles it the same (not sure that that's quite true), but my tongue sure doesn't.
 
2012-06-16 11:43:51 PM  
Geez, do I have to do everything?

fitnessforce.ca

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2012-06-16 11:45:05 PM  

boozerman: KarmicDisaster: I've been eating all low carb/cut the sugar/more fat and protein since last year. It is really hard to do now since the low carb craze died out and we have aisles of "gluten free" hipster crap and no low sugar items in the stores. Got my glucose levels way down, lost 20 lbs, eat all I want when I want. I'll avoid saturated fat when I can, why not, but regular fat, yum.

It's still fairly new research, and some of the methodologies can be questionable, but there is some need to research dietary fat intakes coming from people not getting a variety of fats in their diets and having too high of an omega 6 intake (most normal polyunsaturated fats) and too low of an omega3/sat/monounsaturated fat content. The ratios that seem to have a correlation to problems that need further investigation come about from people going out of their way to get poly fats though (such as using canola oil AND avoiding animal fat)



Yes. I'm conflicted on the fat intake issue. Obviously too much fat is bad, in that it is a lot of calories in a small volume, why eat it if there is something else. Too much saturated fat is definitely bad. Some types of fat are "good" and you need them, but it begins to look like you need a variety in your diet. So my current priority in picking what to eat is:

1) carbs (subtract the fiber).
2) Then saturated fat
3) Try to eat healthy fats, but I don't avoid foods because of fat if they are low carb.
Obviously I don't want to scarf down a bunch of palm kernel oil or anything, but fat is lower priority on my list after carbs. Just my crazy diet, but I've lost weight, my cholesterol is down, my blood sugar is down, and I eat all I want and I feel great. I've had to make more of my own foods though, especially breads, and it is hard to eat out. Eating out I order a steak and substitute the potatoes for a veggie or get fish or salad or eggs and substitute or give away the toast.
 
2012-06-16 11:47:23 PM  
if they ban sugar, I'll probably have to buy it from a dealer and inject it.
 
2012-06-16 11:47:40 PM  

thornhill: Cyno01: miss marla singer: astouffer: More like the corn lobby forcing tariffs on real sugar so they can pump HFCS into everything. Go into a grocery store and find something (short of a single ingredient) without HFCS or sugar.

Sugar is no better or worse than HFCS.

Theres an extra step to digesting sucrose than there is unbonded fructose/glucose. With HFCS, the glucose hits your bloodstream asap, while the fructose heads to the liver and in the absense of cellulose (like if the fructose were coming from fruit), it gets converted pretty much directly to fat. Most HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, so it IS 10% worse for you than sucrose.

Science!

Well, I think the issue is that people who demand real sugur be used in things like soft drinks instead of HFCS are missing the larger issue.


Yes both are bad for you, but HFCS is cheaper than cane sugar, which means it tends to be used as a sweetener in more foods and in larger amounts.
 
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