ryarger: People simply won't adopt a completely new metaphor like this. Windows 95 is doomed from the start, and an Amiga is now president./Have no idea if W8 is any good//But saying that it'll fail because of a new interaction metaphor is stupid
farkeruk: ryarger: People simply won't adopt a completely new metaphor like this. Windows 95 is doomed from the start, and an Amiga is now president./Have no idea if W8 is any good//But saying that it'll fail because of a new interaction metaphor is stupidThe difference is that Win 95 offered a huge number of benefits over Win 3.11. People would accept a leap for it.The problem today is that operating systems are a mature product. I still have a PC on Vista because, for the sake of the license cost and upgrade cost, I can't be bothered upgrading. Sure, Win 7 is faster, but most of my delays are my network and hard drive.And the differences between Win 7 and Win 8 are even smaller. built-in USB 3? Login using a PIN? Mount ISO natively rather than downloading a free application? Yeah, BFD. I ain't going to risk upgrading my PC, let alone go through a whole new UI paradigm just for that.
ryarger: Have not once used "Launchpad" seriously
E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: I run SLAX, PuppyArcade, Hiren's and Xubuntu from a 32gig Flash driveyou, sir, are a doofus hipster; or is it hipster doofus??
ryarger: I'm primarily an OS X user and Lion and Mountain Lion are showing signs of moving in the same direction. The saving grace had been that the iOS elements moving into OS X have been easily ignorable and the fundamental metaphors remain intact.
Charles_Nelson_Reilly: gingerjet: Consistency and predictability are hallmarks of interface design and Microsoft has basically thrown all that out the window with these idiotic designs.This, this, this! Microsoft will not be happy until the OS and Office completely randomize their UI every time the machine is started.
cmanHopefully Windows 8 will be such a flop that companies that make OSes stop this bullshiat mobile on desktop philosophy.fark Windows 8, fark GNOME 3, fark Unity
IanMoone: Somewhere along the line, MS missed an important market research point. Consumers are going to return their PCs in droves the moment they can't play Farmville by touching/clicking on the "Internet Explorer" button on the "desktop"
RandomAxe: Windows' general design has been going downhill since 3.11, and that one wasn't terrific, either.
swahnhennessy: It is amazing how "hipster" can be anything the user wants it to be. It is a magic word, a mighty word. A hipster word.
ryarger: /Have not once used "Launchpad" seriously
Archimedes' Principal: Windows 8 was expected to suck. It's the next version after a successful one./ Windows8, Windows7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows ME, etc.
theurge14: Flint Ironstag: I'm still on XP. Tried 7 for a while, but went back to XP.Why should I change? XP runs all the programmes I want, and that's all I want an OS to do.Well, for one because XP's built in file search is the absolute worst search ever invented by anyone or anything in the universe for all time. Windows 7's search is worlds better.
ekdikeo4: I haven't even located the search in Win 7 ...
dennysgod: RandomAxe: Windows' general design has been going downhill since 3.11, and that one wasn't terrific, either.I've stuck with XP because XP was actually an improvement over its immediate predecessors. Expecting any later version to be an improvement on XP is an act of absurd optimism, and I'm rarely absurd and optimistic at the same time.Win7 is most certainly an improvement over XP, Win7 makes XP look like Win98r2
enik: By the time someone finally figured out what we needed I decided to do the project on Linux. So, yeah, MS is a dinosaur. I just hope that the software people actually use gets ported to Linux before they buckle.
dustman81: ryarger: People simply won't adopt a completely new metaphor like this. Windows 95 is doomed from the start, and an Amiga is now president.From Win95 onwards through Win7, people understood that everything revolved around the Start button. When Win95 came out, their commercials highlighted the Start button, even using The Rolling Stones "Start Me Up". Want to launch a program? Start -> Programs. Want to change a computer setting? Start -> Settings -> Control Panel. Want to set up a printer? Start -> Settings -> Printers.Did Win95 have its issues? Yes, but that happens when you change architectures, as Win95 did going to 32-bit from Win 3.1's 16-bit. But, Win95 also made it easier for people to access the Internet as it had a built-in TCP stack. It didn't come preinstalled, but it was available to be installed and you didn't have to mess with Trumpet Winsock's settings. Win95 also introduced 'Plug-and-play', which means you didn't have to mess with IRQ and memory address settings. 'Plug-and-play' was buggy at first (having the nickname 'Plug-and-pray'), but it got better. Now, you just plug in a device, boot the machine, install the drivers and you're set. Things introduced in Win95 are things people expect today when they buy a Windows based computer.With Windows 8, to find a program to launch, you need to right-clock and choose 'All Programs' from the Metro Start screen. Change a computer setting? You have to hover on the right side of the screen and choose 'Settings'. It's disjointed and one thing people won't like is having to learn all how to use their computers all over again. Other than Metro, there really isn't anything groundbreaking. There are no new architectures, nothing that really says "Hey, you need to get this."
Hand Banana: ekdikeo4: I haven't even located the search in Win 7 ...[askyourpc.com image 409x255]It's not exactly hidden, how could you miss it?
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Hacker_X: I'd wager that far less than half of all computer users intentionally pay for an OS. Any OS.You'd really wager that? Have you met many people?
Hacker_X: Just in China alone they estimate that 90% of all copies of Windows are illegal ones. The vast majority of paid copies of any OS are to businesses.
Rwa2play: Hand Banana: ekdikeo4: I haven't even located the search in Win 7 ...[askyourpc.com image 409x255]It's not exactly hidden, how could you miss it?I still hate the Taskbar in Win 7. So big and clunky looking; that was one thing that keeps me from switching from Vista./But slowly coming around to it//Only 'cause I need DX11
SwingDancer: Archimedes' Principal: Windows 8 was expected to suck. It's the next version after a successful one./ Windows8, Windows7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows ME, etc.I used Vista fro years, never had a single problem with it. I have noticed a trend amongst those who did, they were not computer literate. But thought they were./2c
Linux_Yes: Linux Mint with Cinnamon desktop. Problem solved.
Somacandra: FTFA: Microsoft has thrown away this concept and instead adopted a system called the Start Screen where the links to all your apps are spread across the screen.Wow. This was odd to read. I've done this for years anyway. I cluster app shortcuts I use 90% of the time in different screen areas. That's how I've liked it. I can't stand the Start button and scrolling through different columns. I guess its the opposite for lots of people? Actually now I cluster my working document folders on one side of the screen and the app that I need opens when I open the document. After all, who opens apps for the sake of the app? I open things I need to work on--the program its linked to is just a means to an end. Of course I use Macs personally.
MisterRonbo: What MSFT needs to do is make it easier to find, organize, index, and search your content. Why can't I put tags on any file (even ones Windows doesn't recognize) and search by those? Why can a file only exist in one folder, and to represent it anywhere else I have to make a shortcut to it (a process which itself is far from intuitive).
Doc Daneeka: I hate a cluttered desktop.I'm on OS X, but I try to keep my desktop clear of everything except perhaps what I am immediately working on.I cringe a little whenever I see someone's computer desktop with hundreds of files on it. How can anyone work like that?
jso2897: Rwa2play: Hand Banana: ekdikeo4: I haven't even located the search in Win 7 ...[askyourpc.com image 409x255]It's not exactly hidden, how could you miss it?I still hate the Taskbar in Win 7. So big and clunky looking; that was one thing that keeps me from switching from Vista./But slowly coming around to it//Only 'cause I need DX11Right-click on taskbar. Properties.Check "Use small icons".
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