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(Think Progress)   In their latest move to boost the job market, Senate GOP moves to block home health care workers from receiving minimum wage   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 232
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2012-06-16 04:52:26 PM
Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!
 
2012-06-16 04:59:18 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!


These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.
 
2012-06-16 05:04:21 PM
WTF is wrong with these people?

/seriously... WTF?
 
2012-06-16 05:05:44 PM
Let the free market determine how many times Grandpa gets bathed and fed!

/Or something
 
2012-06-16 05:09:43 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.


Well,to be fair, their household staff are probably illegal, so...
 
2012-06-16 05:10:37 PM
Why don't these people just tie a girl to some rail road tracks and complete the image?
 
2012-06-16 05:10:38 PM

dahmers love zombie: Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.

Well,to be fair, their household staff are probably illegal, so...


*thatsthejoke.jpeg*
 
2012-06-16 05:10:53 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.


Of course they don't. Their domestic help is comprised of people from other countries. And if those workers turn out to be here illegally, well, they will be SHOCKED! The fact that they were not paying them the legal minimum or collecting taxes does NOT suggest that they knew that their help was here illegally, or that they were taking advantage of them.
 
2012-06-16 05:18:51 PM
Mike Johanns is one of the Republican d-bags on the Banking Committee fellating Jamie Dimon the other day. (his SFW fellating begins at 3:26)
 
2012-06-16 05:21:08 PM
Don't let these people have money to put into the economy, whatever you do!
 
2012-06-16 05:21:57 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!


Well, yeah, you see if they don't have to pay them minimum wage, then they can hire two people instead of just one, so... job creators!
 
2012-06-16 05:22:31 PM
Look, if you're spending less than $200 an hour on "companionship services", you're going to get an std.
 
2012-06-16 05:23:08 PM

dahmers love zombie: Well,to be fair, their household staff are probably illegal, so...


Good point.
 
2012-06-16 05:30:56 PM
If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.
 
2012-06-16 05:36:51 PM
Are they using some sort of random evil legislation generator to come up with this stuff?
 
2012-06-16 05:41:01 PM

quickdraw: Are they using some sort of random evil legislation generator to come up with this stuff?


Cad! Bring me my random evil legislation generator!

media.screened.com
 
2012-06-16 05:49:11 PM

Demetrius: quickdraw: Are they using some sort of random evil legislation generator to come up with this stuff?

Cad! Bring me my random evil legislation generator!

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lol!
 
2012-06-16 05:50:43 PM
When a political group is so overtly aligned against the interests of the people they claim to serve... Is that not an indication that they are, in fact, allied against those people and should be forcibly and physically removed from power?

Unless I'm reading history wrong. That seems to be how it works. Either through the ballot box or the sponson box.

F*ck 'em. they want to make Corporatocracy the way of America. I want to burn their houses down and bury them in shallow graves.
 
2012-06-16 05:50:57 PM
I must give the GOP credit...just when I thought they have reached the outer limits of assholishness, they find a way to break through and establish new standards of heartless prickery.
 
2012-06-16 05:54:33 PM
Not a lot of apologists in this thread.
 
2012-06-16 05:56:29 PM
How do you measure billable hours in that sort of job. If I was a live in caregiver who "works" a 24 hour shift involving lots of free time, I wouldn't really expect to bill all 24 of those hours.

I personally wouldn't sponge bathe old people for only 7.25*24*365=63510/year, but I'm sure plenty of people would. I sure as hell wouldn't pay that much to have myself sponge bathed.

How many of you will be able to pay that kind of salary when you're retired?
 
2012-06-16 05:58:52 PM

Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.


yet. I'm sure the troll signal will be lit shortly.
 
2012-06-16 06:02:46 PM
Shame on all those filthy rich elderly infirmed who are taking advantage of the people who change their diapers. They make the poor home health care workers wipe their asses with hundred dollar bills while paying them next to nothing. We must find the political will to stop these sadistic bedridden villains.
 
2012-06-16 06:07:13 PM

NewportBarGuy: When a political group is so overtly aligned against the interests of the people they claim to serve... Is that not an indication that they are, in fact, allied against those people and should be forcibly and physically removed from power?

Unless I'm reading history wrong. That seems to be how it works. Either through the ballot box or the sponson box.

F*ck 'em. they want to make Corporatocracy the way of America. I want to burn their houses down and bury them in shallow graves.


They are supporting the interests of the people they claim to serve: business owners and the rich.
 
2012-06-16 06:09:52 PM
It's not like home health care is more economical and frees up beds for the seriously ill, or that we have a huge generation about to need expanded medical services.
 
2012-06-16 06:14:32 PM
the GOP better hope that none of those health care workers are in a position to influence the elderly to vote Democrat instead of Republican....oh, wait.

oops.
 
2012-06-16 06:22:23 PM

AirForceVet: They are supporting the interests of the people they claim to serve: business owners and the rich.


Well, true. However, they also do that Real American crap and get people to vote against their own interests. That is the part that pisses me off. I mean, it is their personal choice to vote to rape themselves, but it's hard to watch.
 
2012-06-16 06:25:54 PM

Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.


this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills. I suspect they won't bother trying to discuss this issue. I'd look for personal attacks and change of subject. they'll do anything to avoid discussion this petty and spiteful legislation, and focus on any issue OTHER than this topic.
 
2012-06-16 06:39:28 PM

Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills


Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?
 
2012-06-16 06:44:31 PM
What's that? You've chosen a profession that isn't 100% about making as much money as possible, at any and all costs to everything and everyone else? F*CK YOU, YOU GODDAMNED HIPPIE!!! YOU ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH MURIKA!!!!
 
2012-06-16 06:50:41 PM

Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?


Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).
 
2012-06-16 06:52:40 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?

Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).


so the solution is to screw over the health care workers by not paying them min wage?
 
2012-06-16 06:57:24 PM

Red Shirt Blues: If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.


You bring up an excellent point. How about we lobby those agencies to cover the increased cost to provide care by trusted in-home workers? I'm totally down for that. That's an instance when the additional cost is worth it and we should make sure agency rules reflect the desire of the people for those that need such care get it from people that they trust even if it means 5 or 10 hours of OT.
 
2012-06-16 07:06:37 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?

Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).


Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.
 
2012-06-16 07:08:50 PM

quickdraw: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.


Socialist.
 
2012-06-16 07:10:50 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?

Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).


Actually its the home health care agencies that pay the workers. Here is a concise article on the issue.
 
2012-06-16 07:10:57 PM
You get what you pay for...and apparently caring for elderly isn't worth that much.

And to think this is the "Death PanelTM" crowd.
 
2012-06-16 07:19:17 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?

Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).


So since the seniors want the same people, those people shouldn't be paid for being there? What sense does that make? Your argument is ridiculous and makes health care workers sound like they should be slaves.
 
2012-06-16 07:23:22 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!


No kidding. I hear most of them have vaginas too.
 
2012-06-16 07:27:14 PM
Fark the old people. If they were such dicks that their own adult children won't care for them, then fark them. Pay your health care workers, you cheap bastards. That, or wallow in your own filth and die. I don't care which. Just pick one.

/Hunter Thompson took the honorable way out. So should you.
 
2012-06-16 07:38:12 PM

dahmers love zombie: Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.

Well,to be fair, their household staff are probably illegal, so...


Um, TFA isn't talking about illegals or maids...we're talking trained in-home caregivers.
 
2012-06-16 07:39:46 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: quickdraw: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Socialist.


I can speak from experience...every year is a battle to keep even marginal in home care services for the elderly who need it. the funding for that is cut back nearly every year, and any attempt to raise it is quickly shot down by state lawmakers as pork.
 
2012-06-16 07:41:59 PM
Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Have you ever BEEN to one of the old folks homes that Medicare covers?

They're worse than prison. I wouldn't send an ex Nazi prison guard there.
 
2012-06-16 07:48:01 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: dahmers love zombie: Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.

Well,to be fair, their household staff are probably illegal, so...

Um, TFA isn't talking about illegals or maids...we're talking trained in-home caregivers.


Uh, I know. I was making a snarky remark towards the GOPers who don't want to pay a decent wage to the home heath caregivers, inferring that the GOPers themselves probably don't pay their own household help well.
 
2012-06-16 07:49:45 PM

vernonFL: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Have you ever BEEN to one of the old folks homes that Medicare covers?

They're worse than prison. I wouldn't send an ex Nazi prison guard there.


I've actually worked in such a home. It's a travesty as to how the U.S. treats many folks in their senior years.
 
2012-06-16 07:57:50 PM

vernonFL: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Have you ever BEEN to one of the old folks homes that Medicare covers?

They're worse than prison. I wouldn't send an ex Nazi prison guard there.


Actually my 92 year old grandma was in one briefly when she broke her femur. But it was in La Jolla where there are oodles of rich people. She thought it was well run and clean (and damn is she picky!) and medicare covered it all. So its probably a regional issue - or maybe because she had an acute illness it was a different funding category.

/she was walking again with no cane or walker a month later.
 
2012-06-16 07:59:06 PM

Bathia_Mapes: vernonFL: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Have you ever BEEN to one of the old folks homes that Medicare covers?

They're worse than prison. I wouldn't send an ex Nazi prison guard there.

I've actually worked in such a home. It's a travesty as to how the U.S. treats many folks in their senior years.


That's because the upper and middle management of those places think of themselves as being in the people-warehousing business, and are only watching the money come in, not what is happening inside their people warehouses.
 
2012-06-16 08:00:38 PM

Weaver95: Red Shirt Blues: Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?

Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).

so the solution is to screw over the health care workers by not paying them min wage?


You can either pay them using the structure we currently use, or you can triple the cost of having them and have only 1/3 of the people who currently need them be able to afford them. Your choice.

/the point is, that for some professions, traditional wage and hour laws make no practical sense.
 
2012-06-16 08:02:47 PM

Bathia_Mapes: vernonFL: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Have you ever BEEN to one of the old folks homes that Medicare covers?

They're worse than prison. I wouldn't send an ex Nazi prison guard there.

I've actually worked in such a home. It's a travesty as to how the U.S. treats many folks in their senior years.


Yeah, but the second anyone tries to suggest fixing or improving anything they're shunned by hordes of zombies droning about the evils of Socialism.

And those same hordes then vote to make things worse.

It's similar to the whole "Break the government, then complain that the government can't do anything" schtick.
 
2012-06-16 08:05:12 PM
...aimed at blocking the Obama administration's controversial efforts...

I don't expect a fair and balanced presentation from that website, but I am curious why it's controversial.
 
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