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(Think Progress)   In their latest move to boost the job market, Senate GOP moves to block home health care workers from receiving minimum wage   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 232
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2012-06-16 08:05:21 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

No kidding. I hear most of them have vaginas too.


I hear they have fridges as well. Shows how "poor" they are.
 
2012-06-16 08:06:43 PM  
Just out of curiosity, if a home healthcare worker gets paid $5.00 an hour by their agency, how much is the agency charging per hour for that worker?
 
2012-06-16 08:07:09 PM  

cmunic8r99: Mike Johanns is one of the Republican d-bags on the Banking Committee fellating Jamie Dimon the other day. (his SFW fellating begins at 3:26)


To be fair, the Jamie Dimon hummer seems to be a bipartisan concern
 
2012-06-16 08:08:42 PM  

Steve Zodiac: Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.

Of course they don't. Their domestic help is comprised of people from other countries. And if those workers turn out to be here illegally, well, they will be SHOCKED! The fact that they were not paying them the legal minimum or collecting taxes does NOT suggest that they knew that their help was here illegally, or that they were taking advantage of them.


Back in 2006, when there were huge protests and demonstrations about immigration policy, the immigrant domestic worker for my Republican friend's father participated in a walkout by not showing up for her shift on a certain day, and was summarily fired by said father.

My Republican friend thought it was the most awesome thing his dad had ever done.

Fast forward five years.

"Why the hell do all these Occupy idiots hate rich people?"
 
2012-06-16 08:09:11 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Bathia_Mapes: vernonFL: Well then perhaps medicare should cover it.

Have you ever BEEN to one of the old folks homes that Medicare covers?

They're worse than prison. I wouldn't send an ex Nazi prison guard there.

I've actually worked in such a home. It's a travesty as to how the U.S. treats many folks in their senior years.

That's because the upper and middle management of those places think of themselves as being in the people-warehousing business, and are only watching the money come in, not what is happening inside their people warehouses.


Absolutely true. My wife worked VERY briefly for this outfit:

Link

Milk the system, screw over the care providers, and provide no added value to the elderly. But hey, the Free MarketTM will surely make things right.
 
2012-06-16 08:10:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.


My dad has been bed bound for over 2 years. He requires two attendants 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I couldn't afford to pay the helpers minimum wage. Instead I pay $140 a day, plus free room and board. The alternative is putting my dad in a nursing home which based upon my experience is not an acceptable due to the mal and mistreatment of the patients.c.

For all you calling for minimum wage, I hope you have saved your money so that you can care for your parents. Unless of course you expect the taxpayers to foot the bill.
 
2012-06-16 08:13:00 PM  

dosboot: For all you calling for minimum wage, I hope you have saved your money so that you can care for your parents. Unless of course you expect the taxpayers to foot the bill.


God forbid taxpayers should have to subsidize such evils as livable wages and quality care for the elderly.
 
2012-06-16 08:15:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.


The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.
 
2012-06-16 08:15:52 PM  
The GOP is too busy fighting to get bigger tax cuts for the rich, duh. Those tax cuts created sooo many jobs over the past decade, don'tcha know.
 
2012-06-16 08:17:56 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.


Oh, so everything's fine then!
 
2012-06-16 08:21:14 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is wrong with these people?

/seriously... WTF?


My first guest? A lot.
 
2012-06-16 08:21:38 PM  

The Name: God forbid taxpayers should have to subsidize such evils as livable wages and quality care for the elderly.



They do. It's called the Veterans Administration. I love my father and therefore would never put him in a VA home.

Why do you think the current administration is not fully enforcing the immigration laws? Illegal immigrants are an end run around the minimum wage laws.
 
2012-06-16 08:21:55 PM  
Don't you realize that the only way to keep health care costs down is to draft people into service? If only we had a class of people who didn't have any rights or privileges, who could be ordered to work without pay, then we would all benefit? The "service class" would be taken care of by whoever happened to own their contracts, and thus no longer be a burden on the welfare system, and when educated properly, would provide free labor? If only we had thought of this idea sooner...

I am sure that there would be no repercussions from such a clever plan.
 
2012-06-16 08:23:59 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.


The ones that helped my grandfather in the last few months he was with us acted professional and were a great help. I'm not sure how much they were paid, but they probably deserve more than they got.
 
2012-06-16 08:24:37 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.


Well, we certinly can't regulate that. Regulations kill jobs and the economy!
 
2012-06-16 08:25:32 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: What's that? You've chosen a profession that isn't 100% about making as much money as possible, at any and all costs to everything and everyone else? F*CK YOU, YOU GODDAMNED HIPPIE!!! YOU ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH MURIKA!!!!


100% is a little too high. You can't focus entirely on making money. At least 10% should be dedicated to f*cking over the innocent. I mean, you have to have some joy in your life.

And if you can severely wound the whole world's economy, so much the better.
 
2012-06-16 08:25:52 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!


Come on, it's not like they're doing something important. They'e only caring for the elderly, the disabled, and the dying. It's only Grandma, for heavens' sake.
 
2012-06-16 08:27:12 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.


I have never met anyone in home health service that was like the people you are describing. Most had no medical background other than the training they got for their certificate. All of them are conscientious caring folks.
 
2012-06-16 08:28:55 PM  

dosboot: Why do you think the current administration is not fully enforcing the immigration laws?


So why are deportations of illegals up by quite a bit?
 
2012-06-16 08:31:54 PM  

quickdraw: Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.

I have never met anyone in home health service that was like the people you are describing. Most had no medical background other than the training they got for their certificate. All of them are conscientious caring folks.


Seconded. My father in law needed home care in the final stages of his cancer, and his caregiver was one of the kindest, most caring persons I have ever met.

So now anecdotes.
 
2012-06-16 08:32:40 PM  
I guess they'll just have to supplement their income by stealing grandma's pills and selling them on the street.
 
2012-06-16 08:33:08 PM  

quickdraw: Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.

I have never met anyone in home health service that was like the people you are describing. Most had no medical background other than the training they got for their certificate. All of them are conscientious caring folks.


Looks like Weaver95 hit the nail square on the head.

Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills. I suspect they won't bother trying to discuss this issue. I'd look for personal attacks and change of subject. they'll do anything to avoid discussion this petty and spiteful legislation, and focus on any issue OTHER than this topic.

 
2012-06-16 08:33:25 PM  

hubiestubert: Don't you realize that the only way to keep health care costs down is to draft people into service? If only we had a class of people who didn't have any rights or privileges, who could be ordered to work without pay, then we would all benefit? The "service class" would be taken care of by whoever happened to own their contracts, and thus no longer be a burden on the welfare system, and when educated properly, would provide free labor? If only we had thought of this idea sooner...

I am sure that there would be no repercussions from such a clever plan.


Hey, you know what? I have the perfect class of people who would work great under those circumstances. Black people! We can look at it like we're civilizing the heathen and saving their immortal souls from eternal torture.
 
2012-06-16 08:33:48 PM  

Triumph: Shame on all those filthy rich elderly infirmed who are taking advantage of the people who change their diapers. They make the poor home health care workers wipe their asses with hundred dollar bills while paying them next to nothing. We must find the political will to stop these sadistic bedridden villains.


Generally, medicare and medicaid pay the home health care companies that send the home health care worker to your home. Not paying the workers does not save the patients or their families money. It allows the home health care companies to keep a larger profit and may prevent the government from spending quite so much money.
 
2012-06-16 08:34:42 PM  

quickdraw: Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.

I have never met anyone in home health service that was like the people you are describing. Most had no medical background other than the training they got for their certificate. All of them are conscientious caring folks.


Must be a southern Idaho thing. The home health care here is atrocious.
 
2012-06-16 08:35:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: dosboot: Why do you think the current administration is not fully enforcing the immigration laws?

So why are deportations of illegals up by quite a bit?


He's not rounding up anyone who looks Mexican (or close enough) and putting them in camps, therefore he's not doing enough.
 
2012-06-16 08:37:30 PM  
Something tells me that with all the illegals being deported and then Obama making it so that they can get work vouchers that we have the REAL reason behind this move. Some GOPer doesn't want to pay a fair and decent wage to a migrant that up until now they've been exploiting.
 
2012-06-16 08:37:40 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Mugato: Weaver95: Mugato: Not a lot of apologists in this thread.

this is difficult to defend even for our dedicated GOP shills

Hear that, dedicated GOP shills? Are you going to just take that lying down?

Not a shill but it's not the minimum wage part but the required overtime part that may screw things up. You get a lot of seniors who want the same people there with them the majority of the time. If you have to pay OT medicare won't cover all of it and the seniors can't afford to cover the difference.

Agencies aren't going to pay overtime and some workers will actually lose income as they can't work ot. And many of these workers already make over the minimum wage.

I live in Fl and have elderly and health care workers as clients (cpa).


Sounds like the bill needs to include provisions, if it does not already, to ensure that medicare covers any necessary overtime costs.
 
2012-06-16 08:39:54 PM  
You folks have nothing to complain about. You keep voting these assholes into office. WTF do you expect?

/The Great Screwing continues...
 
2012-06-16 08:40:37 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Let the free market determine how many times Grandpa gets bathed and fed!

/Or something


Here are some somethings:

1) Let's see how often grandpa's meds are stolen and sold on the black market to raise some extra cash.
2) Let's see how often helpless grandma is abused because the market is filled with angry losers who cannot even get a minimum wage job.
3) Let's see how many times grandpa ends up in the emergency room because his home health care worker is trained and paid less than a McDonald's fry cook.
 
2012-06-16 08:41:18 PM  
What if we just hire hookers to do these jobs?
 
2012-06-16 08:41:58 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: You folks have nothing to complain about. You keep voting these assholes into office. WTF do you expect?

/The Great Screwing continues...


At least we're safe from socialism.

Freedom!
 
2012-06-16 08:44:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: quickdraw: Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

The job is typically filled by CNAs that aren't good enough to wipe asses in a hospital or have gotten themselves fired from every hospital for misconduct. They shouldn't be working in the medical field in the first place let alone making good money doing it.

I have never met anyone in home health service that was like the people you are describing. Most had no medical background other than the training they got for their certificate. All of them are conscientious caring folks.

Must be a southern Idaho thing. The home health care here is atrocious.


I am sure it is awful in many places - including California. The thing is these places are for profit so they just cut corners wherever they can. People stuck in one of those places with no friends or family to advocate for them are the ones in worst shape.
 
2012-06-16 08:45:44 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: What if we just hire hookers to do these jobs?


No hooker would work for such low wages.
 
2012-06-16 08:46:19 PM  

hubiestubert: Don't you realize that the only way to keep health care costs down is to draft people into service? If only we had a class of people who didn't have any rights or privileges, who could be ordered to work without pay, then we would all benefit? The "service class" would be taken care of by whoever happened to own their contracts, and thus no longer be a burden on the welfare system, and when educated properly, would provide free labor? If only we had thought of this idea sooner...

I am sure that there would be no repercussions from such a clever plan.


I get your general point, but having studied undocumented labor, you're not far from the truth. It's sickening how much wage theft goes on.
 
2012-06-16 08:46:24 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: quickdraw:
I have never met anyone in home health service that was like the people you are describing. Most had no medical background other than the training they got for their certificate. All of them are conscientious caring folks.

Must be a southern Idaho thing. The home health care here is atrocious.



It's not a matter of regional variances. It's not even usually a matter of what company you're dealing with. It comes down to the local house-level supervision and how well they work with/wrangle staff.

/Used to work in MR/DD assisted living
//Lasted 4 years before I couldn't take any more
 
2012-06-16 08:48:11 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: You folks have nothing to complain about. You keep voting these assholes into office. WTF do you expect?

/The Great Screwing continues...


THIS
 
2012-06-16 08:49:53 PM  

LordJiro: He's not rounding up anyone who looks Mexican (or close enough) and putting them in camps, therefore he's not doing enough.


So only Mexicans and people who "look" Mexican are illegal immigrants?

What does a Mexican look like? "Mexico is ethnically diverse, the various indigenous peoples and European immigrants are united under a single national identity"

You are a very ignorant person.
 
2012-06-16 08:50:29 PM  

dosboot: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

My dad has been bed bound for over 2 years. He requires two attendants 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I couldn't afford to pay the helpers minimum wage. Instead I pay $140 a day, plus free room and board. The alternative is putting my dad in a nursing home which based upon my experience is not an acceptable due to the mal and mistreatment of the patients.c.

For all you calling for minimum wage, I hope you have saved your money so that you can care for your parents. Unless of course you expect the taxpayers to foot the bill.


I expect the taxpayers to foot the bill. I assume you and your father are Americans. I assume he worked most, if not all, of his healthy, adult years. After raising a family and working hard all his life, he deserves some help.

Why are we going to bother with government or any part of posing as a nation at all, if we aren't going to take care of one another? If we aren't willing to function as a community; an extended family, and care for one another, what is the point of being a nation?
 
2012-06-16 08:53:01 PM  

quickdraw: herrDrFarkenstein: What if we just hire hookers to do these jobs?

No hooker would work for such low wages.


So everybody gets what they want, a happy ending?
 
2012-06-16 08:54:06 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!



its part of the GOP kinder, gentler nation bullsh*t.

F*ck all GOP'ers.
 
2012-06-16 08:54:44 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, how dare those selfless folks who cook, clean, and bathe the home-bound all day be paid a fair wage!

These same folks likely don't pay their household staff (housekeeper, maid, etc.) minimum wage.



why should they. those mexicans work great for that.
 
2012-06-16 08:56:10 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is wrong with these people?

/seriously... WTF?



hint: Its all about me and my money (or perception of my money) and that is it. so F*ck you!

its really very simple. you pretty much have to be a Psychopath to be a republican.
 
2012-06-16 08:56:47 PM  

fusillade762: I guess they'll just have to supplement their income by stealing grandma's pills and selling them on the street.


The home health care worker tending to my terminally ill uncle stole his USGI Remington-Rand 1911A1, and various other smallish, salable household items not nailed down at the time. I think it's safe to say they already do that.
 
2012-06-16 08:56:54 PM  

ToxicMunkee: Don't let these people have money to put into the economy, whatever you do!



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! he's going to walmart again!! stop him/her!
 
2012-06-16 08:58:29 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: fusillade762: I guess they'll just have to supplement their income by stealing grandma's pills and selling them on the street.

The home health care worker tending to my terminally ill uncle stole his USGI Remington-Rand 1911A1, and various other smallish, salable household items not nailed down at the time. I think it's safe to say they already do that.


Because if 1 does it, they all do it.
 
2012-06-16 08:59:24 PM  

dosboot: Marcus Aurelius: If those people are making under $20 an hour, there's something seriously farking wrong with this country.

My dad has been bed bound for over 2 years. He requires two attendants 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I couldn't afford to pay the helpers minimum wage. Instead I pay $140 a day, plus free room and board. The alternative is putting my dad in a nursing home which based upon my experience is not an acceptable due to the mal and mistreatment of the patients.c.

For all you calling for minimum wage, I hope you have saved your money so that you can care for your parents. Unless of course you expect the taxpayers to foot the bill.


So pay them more and charge them room and board. Problem solved.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:36 PM  
Republicans will show Obama's death panels a thing or two! It ridiculous to pay fat-cat beaurocrats to kill old people when the invisible hand can be used to get incentivize poor the underclass to do it for free; not including whatever cash and valuables are laying around the estate of the dearly departed.
 
2012-06-16 09:03:05 PM  

dosboot: LordJiro: He's not rounding up anyone who looks Mexican (or close enough) and putting them in camps, therefore he's not doing enough.

So only Mexicans and people who "look" Mexican are illegal immigrants?

What does a Mexican look like? "Mexico is ethnically diverse, the various indigenous peoples and European immigrants are united under a single national identity"

You are a very ignorant person.


Oops, I responded to a troll. My bad.
 
2012-06-16 09:04:02 PM  
Feh. If it were up to the GOP its what we'd all be working for (except the "one-percenters" of course).

So remember kids, vote Republican in November.
 
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