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(BBC)   French Muslim Communist Holocaust denier dies. Personally, I think the claims that he died are exaggerated, if not completely made up   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 129
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2012-06-16 02:46:19 PM
Allegedly well done, subby.
 
2012-06-16 03:06:40 PM
Looking at the news blurb he sounds like an idiot who doesn't know what to believe in.
 
2012-06-16 03:55:41 PM

gopher321: Looking at the news blurb he sounds like an idiot who doesn't know what to believe in.


maybe he was a woman? they are allowed to change there minds...
 
2012-06-16 05:34:41 PM
Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.
 
2012-06-16 06:00:12 PM
At least he stood true to his beliefs... whatever they were that day.
 
2012-06-16 06:03:22 PM
I doubt he was ever alive to begin with.
 
2012-06-16 06:03:28 PM

jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.


But are there really 6 million people waiting to kick his ass?
 
2012-06-16 06:03:36 PM
Wow, quite the Rennaissance man.
 
2012-06-16 06:06:54 PM
It's a great big wide wonderful world we live in!
 
2012-06-16 06:07:12 PM

jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.


Do Jews believe in the hereafter? If they don't that means there are six million ass kickers waiting to roger Roger.
 
2012-06-16 06:07:13 PM

jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.



Only 6 million?
 
2012-06-16 06:09:06 PM
Man, that is a lot of labels. Good thing he wasn't a lesbian paraplegic or they couldn't fit it all on the tombstone.
 
2012-06-16 06:13:03 PM
French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride
 
2012-06-16 06:13:49 PM

Amos Quito: jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.


Only 6 million?


Depends on who's counting.
Anybody got the Official Jew BBQ total handy?

/yea, I know, I'll go sit over there
 
2012-06-16 06:14:04 PM
I thought the sun shone a bit brighter today. All is right with the world!
 
2012-06-16 06:14:32 PM
The first three words had me thinking it was an Obama article from WND.
 
2012-06-16 06:17:56 PM

MAYORBOB: jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.

Do Jews believe in the hereafter? If they don't that means there are six million ass kickers waiting to roger Roger.


Yeah, they've had Heaven forever and they picked up Hell when it was the Babylonian's turn with them while they were being passed around the planet like a prison biatch under gang level ownership.
 
2012-06-16 06:19:11 PM
At least the man deserves some credit for being a communist and a member of the communist party and still have the balls to criticize the soviet union invasion of Czechoslovakia when it happened. His kind doesn't take that too kindly.
 
2012-06-16 06:19:16 PM
So, President Biden then?

/ducks
//this is what Republicans actually believe
 
2012-06-16 06:20:40 PM

thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run Stop


Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: Listen

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

Fixed for you.
 
2012-06-16 06:20:44 PM
All the witty and deserved kudos to subby have been said, so I will just add that "Holocaust revisionists," or whatever they are calling themelves this week, are one of the nastier groups of derptards in our world, started by a couple of SS officers IIRC. Good riddence.
 
2012-06-16 06:24:02 PM
The article said he didn't feel killing jews contituted genocide. Was he being really racist and/or felt the number should've been bigger before you can call it a holocaust? After living through WWII in France, his little twisted mind figured the jews probably didn't have it that bad and should just suck it up. It is amazing how cold someone can be after they have it rough for a few years. Too bad he didn't travel into Germany to see the ovens.
 
2012-06-16 06:24:35 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: So, President Biden then?

/ducks
//this is what Republicans actually believe


I don't know about republicans, but this independent doesn't believe he can tie his own shoes, I think maybe the republicans are sneaking him out of his gimp box, when Obama is busy, because I can not believe that Obama would ever let him see the light of day if he could do anything about it.
 
2012-06-16 06:25:54 PM

thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride


The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.
 
2012-06-16 06:27:57 PM
Sorry about typos. On phone, too impatient to use the preview. Derp.
 
2012-06-16 06:29:23 PM
Obviously the NWO had to suppress the truth about the Time Cube by faking the Holocaust. They later used the same set to fake the moon landing when public almost discovered the truth about JFK.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-06-16 06:34:37 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.
 
2012-06-16 06:35:10 PM
What a weirdo.
 
2012-06-16 06:35:27 PM

Chinchillazilla: I doubt he was ever alive to begin with.


MrEricSir: Obviously the NWO had to suppress the truth about the Time Cube by faking the Holocaust. They later used the same set to fake the moon landing when public almost discovered the truth about JFK.

/amidoinitrite?


tikiloungetalk.com

yup.
 
2012-06-16 06:36:43 PM
Shalom, you crazy dimwit.
 
2012-06-16 06:39:32 PM

Satanic_Hamster: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run Stop

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: Listen

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

Fixed for you.


Thank you!!!
 
2012-06-16 06:40:19 PM

thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.


Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?
 
2012-06-16 06:40:58 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?
 
2012-06-16 06:55:22 PM

lack of warmth: What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.


You should read more. That's not how Dunkirk went down. At all.
 
2012-06-16 06:58:52 PM

sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?


2003, the French oppose invading Iraq. They turned out to be right, but that's not going to stop the derpatastic neo-con hate. How *dare* any country disagree with the United States when we are wrong.
 
2012-06-16 07:02:18 PM
www.leonardfrank.com

RIP Gaudi


A few more years and you could have become a lesbian Buddhist.
 
2012-06-16 07:02:23 PM
I mean jeez, it's like they think they are an independant country or something.
 
2012-06-16 07:08:19 PM

KiplingKat872: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

2003, the French oppose invading Iraq. They turned out to be right, but that's not going to stop the derpatastic neo-con hate. How *dare* any country disagree with the United States when we are wrong.


So did Canada and Germany to name a few. I'm interested is to why a country that made the right decision is considered a failure. Not from you of course. I just blind nationalism fascinating.
 
2012-06-16 07:11:09 PM

sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?


Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link
 
2012-06-16 07:12:01 PM
getontheboat.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-16 07:18:50 PM
Controversial French philosopher Roger Garaudy has died at the age of 98.

An ex-member of the communist party, he converted to Islam in the 1980s. His 1996 book The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics denied that the killing of Jews by the Nazis constituted genocide.


Look, just because you don't have a job and write a book doesn't mean you get to call yourself a philosopher.

I mean, yes, those are pretty much the only qualifications for being a philosopher, but other unemployed book-writers need to agree you are one.
 
2012-06-16 07:19:06 PM

KiplingKat872: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

2003, the French oppose invading Iraq. They turned out to be right, but that's not going to stop the derpatastic neo-con hate. How *dare* any country disagree with the United States when we are wrong.


Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.
 
2012-06-16 07:20:23 PM

thisisarepeat: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link


Of course this article neglects to mention that the WMDs we invaded to find were sold to Saddam by the U.S. in a deal brokered by Rumsfeld I believe. As long as we could use him as a pawn in the Cold War to check Soviet supported Iran, he was our bestest pal too. We did give a damn how many Kurds he gassed with our weapons.

So yeah, big fat hypocrital article.
 
2012-06-16 07:20:56 PM
thisisarepeat
Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.

Are you sure you're talking about the French? Because that sounds more like an Italian thing.

Italy can always be relied on to rush to the aid of the victors.
 
2012-06-16 07:23:00 PM

thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

2003, the French oppose invading Iraq. They turned out to be right, but that's not going to stop the derpatastic neo-con hate. How *dare* any country disagree with the United States when we are wrong.

Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.


When exactly were they in favor of *invading* Iraq? For that matter, when did they sign a mutual protection treaty with the U.S.? They are a part of NATO, but NATO was not the force that went in.
 
2012-06-16 07:23:15 PM
He denies the Communist Holocaust? Or the Muslim Communist Holocaust? Or the French Muslim Communist Holocaust?

The 20th Century was a busy time.
 
2012-06-16 07:24:29 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link

Of course this article neglects to mention that the WMDs we invaded to find were sold to Saddam by the U.S. in a deal brokered by Rumsfeld I believe. As long as we could use him as a pawn in the Cold War to check Soviet supported Iran, he was our bestest pal too. We did give a damn how many Kurds he gassed with our weapons.

So yeah, big fat hypocrital article.


Sorry, I meant to say that we did NOT care how many Kurds he gassed with the weapons we sold him.
 
2012-06-16 07:30:40 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

2003, the French oppose invading Iraq. They turned out to be right, but that's not going to stop the derpatastic neo-con hate. How *dare* any country disagree with the United States when we are wrong.

Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.

When exactly were they in favor of *invading* Iraq? For that matter, when did they sign a mutual protection treaty with the U.S.? They are a part of NATO, but NATO was not the force that went in.


Actually, it wouldn't be a mutual protection, it would be a mutual aggresion treaty.
 
2012-06-16 07:34:44 PM

Bondith: thisisarepeat
Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.

Are you sure you're talking about the French? Because that sounds more like an Italian thing.

Italy can always be relied on to rush to the aid of the victors.


We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.
 
2012-06-16 07:37:46 PM

thisisarepeat: Bondith: thisisarepeat
Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.

Are you sure you're talking about the French? Because that sounds more like an Italian thing.

Italy can always be relied on to rush to the aid of the victors.

We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


You...obviously don't get outside the US much, or if you do, you never leave the resort/tour group and eat at McDonalds.

Holy cow.
 
2012-06-16 07:39:46 PM

thisisarepeat: Bondith: thisisarepeat
Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.

Are you sure you're talking about the French? Because that sounds more like an Italian thing.

Italy can always be relied on to rush to the aid of the victors.

We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


This is a possible instance of Poe's law, maybe I've been trolled.
 
2012-06-16 07:40:02 PM

thisisarepeat: We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


Good god, man.
 
2012-06-16 07:41:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Chapter 2: Run Stop

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: Listen


KiplingKat872: bad rap


enriquesantos.com
 
2012-06-16 07:42:51 PM

thisisarepeat: We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


WOT???? Have I been fished in???
 
2012-06-16 07:46:50 PM

Old Man Winter: jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.

But are there really 6 million people waiting to kick his ass?


There are probably more like 6 billion. The holocaust victims, and everyone else who wants to kick him just for being a jackass.
 
2012-06-16 07:46:51 PM

KiplingKat872: Sorry, I meant to say that we did NOT care how many Kurds he gassed with the weapons we sold him.


Oh is that the current flavor of truthiness we're working with?

"THERE ARE NO WMDs!"

"Whats that?... erm...THATS NOT ENOUGH WMDs!"

"seriously?...b-b-but YOU GAVE THEM THE WMDs!"

I've got some old news for ya, that isnt English printed on those shells.
 
2012-06-16 07:55:16 PM

KiplingKat872: This is a possible instance of Poe's law, maybe I've been trolled.


Of that there can be no doubt. But while i've got you on the line. You can certainly tell a difference between these places on the ground, there are variations on the type of wine consumed, cheese made, they even have thir own versions of Catholicism (talk about diversity) but if you look at them from an economic or geopolitical perspective they are about as close as you can get to being without borders all together.
 
2012-06-16 07:56:19 PM
His spiritual life was like a bus tour through Europe.
 
2012-06-16 08:02:14 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


Hey mister. We like to restrict the conversation to History Channel levels here.
 
2012-06-16 08:12:19 PM

lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?


Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )
 
2012-06-16 08:21:57 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.




The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.
 
2012-06-16 08:23:53 PM

spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )


Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.
 
2012-06-16 08:24:25 PM
wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality
 
2012-06-16 08:25:31 PM

thisisarepeat: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link


Oh for Fark's sake. You are a Claremont Intituter. Some of Leo Strauss's students went on to do great things (Benardete, Bloom), others just went on to found that great 21st century philosophical movement known as Derpism.

Here I was all set to vote for your comment as "smartest" for making fun of French philosophy, then you had to posted those links. Disappointing.
 
2012-06-16 08:29:32 PM

jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.


So heaven is a place where those who have been wronged can finally exact their revenge on people who have wronged them???

/jesusfacepalm
 
2012-06-16 08:30:35 PM

Riothamus: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.



The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.


If you actually read up on it, the French Resistance did a LOT. The Poles were more violent/openly confrontational because they were dealing with a much more repessive regime that was lining the slavs up to be next on the chopping block. But the French were smuggling Allied soldiers out, geurilla fighting in the countryside, and gathering intelligence the Allies could not have planned D-Day and subsequent operations without.
 
2012-06-16 08:44:09 PM

casual disregard: wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality



Some genocides are more fashionable to deny than others:


"In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation."


Ironic? Hypocritical? Practical?

You decide.
 
2012-06-16 08:49:36 PM

KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"
 
2012-06-16 08:52:20 PM

proteus_b: KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"


When I say I am an "expert" on the subject, then you can be a dick about spelling.

Until then, since I put (sic) next to it, STFU.
 
2012-06-16 09:01:22 PM

KiplingKat872: spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )

Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.


That is very true. They were running for their lives. But in the large scale of it, the Allies could have responded to Germany's agression much quicker, and were obligated to, but refused. Once again, I believe this was done purposefully, so that the Nazis would feel less threatened from the coast and break their might on the Bolshevicks ( who at the same time were being bolstered by the anglo-empire).

It was not enough to win the war, the Nazis had to be crushed so that the empire could actually get its armys onto german soil. The war was fought for industrial land.

"Conjuring Hitler" is great read on these angles of the war, and one of the best WW2 reads I've ever come across.

Haven't really read anything on WW2 in about 2 years so dates/battles are not my strong suit currently, but your Dunkirk fact sounded right on.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:13 PM

KiplingKat872: Riothamus: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.



The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.

If you actually read up on it, the French Resistance did a LOT. The Poles were more violent/openly confrontational because they were dealing with a much more repessive regime that was lining the slavs up to be next on the chopping block. But the French were smuggling Allied soldiers out, geurilla fighting in the countryside, and gathering intelligence the Allies could not have planned D-Day and subsequent operations without.


Sorrow and the Pity is required viewing but the Polish resistance was f--king badass against ridiculous odds, likewise with the Czech. And in return they both got lots of civilians massacred as a "lesson" then got sold out to the Russians. Sigh.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:21 PM

proteus_b: KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"


Next time just correct my spelling instead of launching an uneccessary ad hominem when you can't refute my facts.

That was a total dick move.
 
2012-06-16 09:06:06 PM

Amos Quito: casual disregard: wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality


Some genocides are more fashionable to deny than others:


"In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation."


Ironic? Hypocritical? Practical?

You decide.


On phone so it's too difficult to find, but there was a study on Jewish children being taught about the Holocaust. Most came back with a lesson learned of "we should never let this happen again *to our people*", rather than "wholescale slaughter of *any* peoples should never happen". IIRC it depended on how it was presented...

/sigh
 
2012-06-16 09:07:48 PM

Amos Quito: casual disregard: wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality


Some genocides are more fashionable to deny than others:


"In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation."


Ironic? Hypocritical? Practical?

You decide.


History has lost the names of the dead countless times. Sometimes due to negligence, sometimes due to intentional decision. I use the word (lowercase) holocaust generically for the wholesale slaughter of countless civilians. Even when my own nation frowns upon it.

Armenia is fresh in my mind. Maybe I'm the only one, though. We love murder, we love slaughter, and we love to disremember. I don't take part. But I'm also weak and stupid, so I'm also not sure how to prevent future atrocity.

We said never again, and then we turned our backs and walked away to a cacophony of "please, help us."
 
2012-06-16 09:09:03 PM
Them.

farking. Them.

They're assholes, but they don't realize that they are seen by others as "them."

What's more farked up is that their own people, THEIR PEOPLE, won't protect them against the threat they all see there.

There.
 
2012-06-16 09:15:32 PM

spacelord321: KiplingKat872: spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )

Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.

That is very true. They were running for their lives. But in the large scale of it, the Allies could have responded to Germany's agression much quicker, and were obligated to, but refused. Once again, I believe this was done purposefully, so that the Nazis would feel less threatened from the coast and break their might on the Bolshevicks ( who at the same time were being bolstered by the anglo-empire).

It was not enough to win the war, the Nazis had to be crushed so that the empire could actually get its armys onto german soil. The war was fought for industrial land.

"Conjuring Hitler" is great read on these angles of the war, and one of the best WW2 reads I've ever come across.

Haven't really read anything on WW2 in about 2 years so dates/battles are not my strong suit currently, but your Dunkirk fact sounded right on.


Oh I agree that G.B. did fail France, Chekoslovakia, and Poland by not moving as fast as the treaties obligated them to. I don't know if conquering Germany was on Chamberlain's plate. The Empire was already overextended, almost constantly fighting uprisings around the globe. The Indian resistance was at full steam. I don't think they were looking to add another colony.
 
2012-06-16 09:28:08 PM
Wow. There is way too much fail in these comments to address individually.

/goes back to looking for articles involving nudity and bath salts.
 
2012-06-16 09:38:27 PM

austin_millbarge: jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.

So heaven is a place where those who have been wronged can finally exact their revenge on people who have wronged them???

/jesusfacepalm


Dude, that would totally be MY idea of heaven.
 
2012-06-16 10:05:10 PM
He needs more descriptors. Was he left-handed?
 
2012-06-16 10:15:57 PM

thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.


LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?
 
2012-06-16 10:16:43 PM

Buttle not Tuttle: thisisarepeat: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link

Oh for Fark's sake. You are a Claremont Intituter. Some of Leo Strauss's students went on to do great things (Benardete, Bloom), others just went on to found that great 21st century philosophical movement known as Derpism.

Here I was all set to vote for your comment as "smartest" for making fun of French philosophy, then you had to posted those links. Disappointing.


LOL imagine if if I didnt start drinking at 5pm on the dot.
 
2012-06-16 10:28:42 PM

swahnhennessy: lack of warmth: What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

You should read more. That's not how Dunkirk went down. At all.


Or why "the French defenses collapsed" ... good grief.
 
2012-06-16 10:37:08 PM
Wtf are you talking about subby? Obama is still alive.
 
2012-06-16 10:37:54 PM

Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?


LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.
 
2012-06-16 10:40:34 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: KiplingKat872: Riothamus: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.



The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.

If you actually read up on it, the French Resistance did a LOT. The Poles were more violent/openly confrontational because they were dealing with a much more repessive regime that was lining the slavs up to be next on the chopping block. But the French were smuggling Allied soldiers out, geurilla fighting in the countryside, and gathering intelligence the Allies could not have planned D-Day and subsequent operations without.

Sorrow and the Pity is required viewing but the Polish resistance was f--king badass against ridiculous odds, likewise with the Czech. And in return they both got lots of civilians massacred as a "lesson" then got sold out to the Russians. Sigh.


THIS
 
2012-06-16 10:58:29 PM

KiplingKat872: spacelord321: KiplingKat872: spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )

Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.

That is very true. They were running for their lives. But in the large scale of it, the Allies could have responded to Germany's agression much quicker, and were obligated to, but refused. Once again, I believe this was done purposefully, so that ...


Please, Chamberlain did nothing his entire life but gulp Hitlers gizz and should be remembered as Hitlers biatch and nothing else. He should be burried at the bottom of a concentration camp outhouse. Fark that, there may be a jew down there too. He should be exhumed and moved to a specially dug outhouse for child rapists and and neo Nazi's to shiat in and then be buried under that.
 
2012-06-16 11:06:54 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.
 
2012-06-16 11:25:17 PM

thisisarepeat: Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?

LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.


How excactly did the French undermine America in "anyway?" Or are you someone that believes that someone who disagrees with you is "betrayal" and "undermining?"

And to make it clear, the French, and many other nations, were right. We should have never invaded Iraq. All we did was replay what the British did there in the first half of the 20th century.

Which is probably the real reason why you're so pissed off at them.

That, and the fact they have far superior nucular energy program better education, hundreds of years of culture, fantastic art, great food, awesome wine...

Oh, and the Enlightenment. Those little documents like the Declaration of Independance and the Constituion would not exist, we would not exist, without the French leading the way is logic, science, and democratic ideals.

Not to mention their assistance in the Revolutionary War.

So yeah, they do produce things America needs. (If a bunch of Americans could stop being a bunch of arrogant xenophobes.)
 
2012-06-16 11:27:17 PM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


This I have a problem with as well. I'm not sure what the court's rationale was for that ruling.
 
2012-06-16 11:31:34 PM
Shh, he's really hidden in the top part of the bottom of an upside down upright can
 
2012-06-16 11:35:36 PM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.
 
2012-06-16 11:39:27 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?

LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.

How excactly did the French undermine America in "anyway?" Or are you someone that believes that someone who disagrees with you is "betrayal" and "undermining?"

And to make it clear, the French, and many other nations, were right. We should have never invaded Iraq. All we did was replay what the British did there in the first half of the 20th century.

Which is probably the real reason why you're so pissed off at them.

That, and the fact they have far superior nucular energy program better education, hundreds of years of culture, fantastic art, great food, awesome wine...

Oh, and the Enlightenment. Those little documents like the Declaration of Independance and the Constituion would not exist, we would not exist, without the French leading the way is logic, science, and democratic ideals.

Not to mention their assistance in the Revolutionary War.

So yeah, they do produce things America needs. (If a bunch of Americans could stop being a bunch of arrogant xenophobes.)


Settle down Pierre, the only reason the occupying Nazi's didn't fark with the American flag that flies over the grave of Lafayette is that they knew there was an exception to Frenchness beneath it. Not that they had any respect what so ever for the flag its self. Or the French for that matter.
 
2012-06-16 11:41:31 PM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


This is why we live in America, and get REALLY UPSET when people start talking about how there should be laws against people saying words that make other people offended. That First Amendment thingy means exactly what it says, and I don't care how "offended" anyone is.
 
2012-06-16 11:45:11 PM

KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.


Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.
 
2012-06-16 11:48:17 PM
ok, i screwed up my syntax.

Vampire_Blues: Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese American Citizens? That there were no WMDs in Iraq?

 
2012-06-16 11:50:41 PM
He seemed to jump from one new hotness to another his whole life. He was alive during the War too. What a tool.
 
2012-06-16 11:56:41 PM
Holocaust deniers fall in with those that believe that Elvis is alive and batboy has been found. Fairly useless and critically illiterate.
 
2012-06-16 11:58:47 PM

Vampire_Blues: KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.

Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.


This 1000 times.
 
2012-06-16 11:59:53 PM

Vampire_Blues: KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.

Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.


That's why we live here and America is inherently better than countries that lack a Bill of Rights.
 
2012-06-17 12:04:36 AM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


Not to mention that in the 1940 invasion of France over 100,000 French soldiers were killed or wounded. You can't get those casualties in such a short time by surrendering at every opportunity. They fought hard.
 
2012-06-17 12:09:25 AM
thisisarepeat
They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.

And Iraq was NATO's enemy...how?
 
2012-06-17 12:12:38 AM
Communism has never been achieved anywhere. Stops just before the finale of freedom to descend into authoritarian madness. Lenin's vision may have had a real chance had the thug stalin(coward) not usurped from able minds and conscience and not murdered Trotsky and hijacked what may have been. At this point to call yourself a communist makes as much sense as trying to revise history. It is a denial of reality for no real gain.
 
2012-06-17 12:20:52 AM
'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.
 
2012-06-17 12:21:23 AM

jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.


Maybe the 6 million will get that chance after he gets tossed into hell. After all, they didn't have the right set of beliefs.
 
2012-06-17 12:41:13 AM
So this guy is essentially a no-talent, evil Cat Stevens?

/Good riddance.
 
2012-06-17 12:52:25 AM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


No, you are not the only one. Rather than strengthening the case for the Holocaust, if anything it weakens it in some small way by lending support for the case of deniers, who can point to that as evidence that the 'truth' is being suppressed. If opinions about historical events contrary to popularly accepted opinions are proscribed by law, what else can any thinking person suspect? Imagine if there were laws criminalizing any statements that contradicted an official government position on the Vietnam War, or the role of the US government in the Indian wars, etc. Why not? If the USA ever goes that route it will be the final nail in the coffin.
 
2012-06-17 12:58:12 AM

Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.


And here it is, the most loathsome conspiracy theory of them all. You are a sick person.
 
2012-06-17 01:20:51 AM

Repo Man: Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.

And here it is, the most loathsome conspiracy theory of them all. You are a sick person.


Show me a link that there is definitive proof of gas chambers. Not eyewitness acounts. Eyewitness accounts, even from SS vets describing 'gas chambers' whithin Germany, have been disproved.

I'll pay you five internet dollars if you can prove to me, beyond any shadow of a dought, that gas was used to systematically kill gods chosen.
 
2012-06-17 01:43:09 AM

Tyranicle: Repo Man: Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.

And here it is, the most loathsome conspiracy theory of them all. You are a sick person.

Show me a link that there is definitive proof of gas chambers. Not eyewitness acounts. Eyewitness accounts, even from SS vets describing 'gas chambers' whithin Germany, have been disproved.

I'll pay you five internet dollars if you can prove to me, beyond any shadow of a dought, that gas was used to systematically kill gods chosen.


Why would I try to prove anything to you? First off, the burden of proof is on you to disprove the mainstream view, not me to prove it to you. Second, truthers, birthers, people who don't believe in the moon landing - none of them are worth any serious debate. "If someone maintains that the moon is made out of green cheese, you don't argue with them - you feel sorry for them." - Bertrand Russell
 
2012-06-17 01:51:42 AM
They should've used his full title of "Short, hispanic, hindu, French-speaking, physically handicapped, communist, gay, black, woman." That way he'd hopelessly be in the minority.

/obscure?
 
2012-06-17 01:54:33 AM

Repo Man: Tyranicle: Repo Man: Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.

And here it is, the most loathsome conspiracy theory of them all. You are a sick person.

Show me a link that there is definitive proof of gas chambers. Not eyewitness acounts. Eyewitness accounts, even from SS vets describing 'gas chambers' whithin Germany, have been disproved.

I'll pay you five internet dollars if you can prove to me, beyond any shadow of a dought, that gas was used to systematically kill gods chosen.

Why would I try to prove anything to you? First off, the burden of proof is on you to disprove the mainstream view, not me to prove it to you. Second, truthers, birthers, people who don't believe in the moon landing - none of them are worth any serious debate. "If someone maintains that the moon is made out of green cheese, you don't argue with them - you feel sorry for them." - Bertrand Russell


"a crime scene has nothing to do with a moon made of cheese"- anonomous
 
2012-06-17 01:55:56 AM

wumpus: Communism has never been achieved anywhere. Stops just before the finale of freedom to descend into authoritarian madness. Lenin's vision may have had a real chance had the thug stalin(coward) not usurped from able minds and conscience and not murdered Trotsky and hijacked what may have been. At this point to call yourself a communist makes as much sense as trying to revise history. It is a denial of reality for no real gain.


Shaddap you right-wing McCarthyite, the fact is that apart from the Gulags and subjugation of neighbouring countries and economic stagnation and the famines and the third-world proxy wars and the 80 million innocent victims, Communism for the most part worked out just fine. And we're going to get it exactly right the next time, we promise.
 
2012-06-17 02:23:13 AM
"He was given a suspended jail sentence for Holocaust denial in 1998."

No free speech? This feels like a human rights violation. I guess when WWII hits as close home as it did with France you don't take kindly to people denying the atrocities.
 
2012-06-17 03:03:31 AM

Tyranicle: Repo Man: Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.

And here it is, the most loathsome conspiracy theory of them all. You are a sick person.

Show me a link that there is definitive proof of gas chambers. Not eyewitness acounts. Eyewitness accounts, even from SS vets describing 'gas chambers' whithin Germany, have been disproved.

I'll pay you five internet dollars if you can prove to me, beyond any shadow of a dought, that gas was used to systematically kill gods chosen.


I love the "gods chosen" remark, you can just feel the anti-semitism drooling out from this nut.
 
2012-06-17 03:23:20 AM
Communist, Holocaust Denier, Muslim, French: That guy combined enough traits for four pricks, yet he hogged all the traits for himself to turn into Super-Prick. Roast in Piece.
 
2012-06-17 03:50:21 AM

KiplingKat872: proteus_b: KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"

Next time just correct my spelling instead of launching an uneccessary ad hominem when you can't refute my facts.

That was a total dick move.


No, he really did have to write it that way. I mean, when you're so insecure about your intellect that you have to "prove" how smart you are to a bunch of anonymous people on the internet, you have to do it. Especially if you can be a dick about it.
 
2012-06-17 05:21:27 AM

Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.


I have.

There is a mountain of Nazi documentation, forensic and eye witness evidence from both fronts, that proves the Nazi systematically murdered millions of people including Jews, Gyspies, Communists, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and others.

The Holocaust Deniers "proof" boils down to, "This single inventory reciept for coke isn't enough to burn millions of bodies."

You lose.
 
2012-06-17 05:24:21 AM

Tyranicle: Repo Man: Tyranicle: 'Holocaust denial' is, in reallity, denial to believe nazis sent jews to die in gas chambers. Despite what we've been brainwashed since childhood, there is no definitive proof of gas chambers ever existing whithin concentration camps. 'Gas chamber' aka 'holocaust' (death by fire in hebrew), is mostly Soviet propaganda that is still uttered everywhere.

I would highly suggest doing the research yourself in case it becomes illegal to do so due to 'hate speech' or 'anti-semitism'.

And here it is, the most loathsome conspiracy theory of them all. You are a sick person.

Show me a link that there is definitive proof of gas chambers. Not eyewitness acounts. Eyewitness accounts, even from SS vets describing 'gas chambers' whithin Germany, have been disproved.

I'll pay you five internet dollars if you can prove to me, beyond any shadow of a dought, that gas was used to systematically kill gods chosen.


There are a couple surviving gas chambers, as well as blue prints of some of the ones the Nazis destoyed to try to cover their tracks. I'm on my mobile but anyone can google this.
 
2012-06-17 05:27:25 AM

Vampire_Blues: KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.

Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.


No, I'm with you on that. I'm just saying I understand their rationale, not that I condone it.
 
2012-06-17 05:33:54 AM

thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?

LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.

How excactly did the French undermine America in "anyway?" Or are you someone that believes that someone who disagrees with you is "betrayal" and "undermining?"

And to make it clear, the French, and many other nations, were right. We should have never invaded Iraq. All we did was replay what the British did there in the first half of the 20th century.

Which is probably the real reason why you're so pissed off at them.

That, and the fact they have far superior nucular energy program better education, hundreds of years of culture, fantastic art, great food, awesome wine...

Oh, and the Enlightenment. Those little documents like the Declaration of Independance and the Constituion would not exist, we would not exist, without the French leading the way is logic, science, and democratic ideals.

Not to mention their assistance in the Revolutionary War.

So yeah, they do produce things America needs. (If a bunch of Americans could stop being a bunch of arrogant xenophobes.)

Settle down Pierre, the only reason the occupying Nazi's didn't fark with the American flag that flies over the grave of Lafayette is that they knew there was an exception to Frenchness beneath it. Not that they had any respect what so ever for the flag its self. Or the French for that matter.


That is the second request to prove your assertions by pointing to specific examples that you have ignored.

You got nothin'.
 
2012-06-17 07:56:09 AM
Good riddance.
 
2012-06-17 08:56:55 AM
That mans life reads like instructions on how to be an absolute asshole.
 
2012-06-17 09:26:05 AM
reading this thread, and some people's attitudes towards the french just amazes me at: 1. how much people hate the french because they refused to join your silly expedition into Iraq; 2. how this hate/dislike/disgust/etc, which first started out as a stupid meme, has now morphed into a genuine prejudice; 3. how well people can cherry pick their historical data to suit their prejudices.

Why do American conservatives hate the French so much? It can't just be because of Iraq because, as other people have noted, the Germans and Canadians also passed on that wonderful little opportunity, and they didn't get the hate. Is it because they have a major political party called the socialists, and they enact laws that are vaguely pro-worker?

I just don't get it.
 
2012-06-17 09:51:03 AM

ansius: reading this thread, and some people's attitudes towards the french just amazes me at: 1. how much people hate the french because they refused to join your silly expedition into Iraq; 2. how this hate/dislike/disgust/etc, which first started out as a stupid meme, has now morphed into a genuine prejudice; 3. how well people can cherry pick their historical data to suit their prejudices.

Why do American conservatives hate the French so much? It can't just be because of Iraq because, as other people have noted, the Germans and Canadians also passed on that wonderful little opportunity, and they didn't get the hate. Is it because they have a major political party called the socialists, and they enact laws that are vaguely pro-worker?

I just don't get it.


The US saved their asses during the first and second World Wars of the 20th Century, and they repaid us by refusing to participate in NATO when the prospect of a third World War was staring us all in the face. They also farked up decolonization post-WWII, which led to debacles like the Vietnam War (granted, that one was as much our fault as theirs, but they didn't exactly do us any favors).

The problem isn't that the French are hostile to us; it's that they insist on behaving like a superpower when they've long since ceased to be one. It's that pretentiousness, coupled with a lack of gratitude for keeping them from speaking German, that annoys us.
 
2012-06-17 10:21:19 AM

Mouser: ansius: reading this thread, and some people's attitudes towards the french just amazes me at: 1. how much people hate the french because they refused to join your silly expedition into Iraq; 2. how this hate/dislike/disgust/etc, which first started out as a stupid meme, has now morphed into a genuine prejudice; 3. how well people can cherry pick their historical data to suit their prejudices.

Why do American conservatives hate the French so much? It can't just be because of Iraq because, as other people have noted, the Germans and Canadians also passed on that wonderful little opportunity, and they didn't get the hate. Is it because they have a major political party called the socialists, and they enact laws that are vaguely pro-worker?

I just don't get it.

The US saved their asses during the first and second World Wars of the 20th Century, and they repaid us by refusing to participate in NATO when the prospect of a third World War was staring us all in the face. They also farked up decolonization post-WWII, which led to debacles like the Vietnam War (granted, that one was as much our fault as theirs, but they didn't exactly do us any favors).

The problem isn't that the French are hostile to us; it's that they insist on behaving like a superpower when they've long since ceased to be one. It's that pretentiousness, coupled with a lack of gratitude for keeping them from speaking German, that annoys us.


Hold it. The Americans tipped the balance, but only after we were attacked by Japan. Until that moment, the pleas of Europe had fallen on the deaf, isolationist ears of the U.S.. We did not give a damn until we were yanked in.

If any one country can be said to have "saved Europe" it was the Russians. If the Eastern Front had collapsed and Germany thrown all its weight to the West, the Allies would have been screwed. There were also all the resistance movements, which did much to bog down German occupations and advances and slip much needed intel to the Allies. As well as the nations involved in active combat.

My Great Uncle, one of the first Army Rangers, died in the Dieppe Raid, and I honor the contributions of American servicemen and women in WWII. But I am tried of this idea that Europe was cowaring in fear, waiting for us to ride over the hill like the cavalry in a cowboy movie, ergo they owe us. That's B.S.. If they owe us, we owe them for standing in Hitler's way until we finally decided to get involved.
In Europe we tipped the balance, but it was a team effort. The Pacific is where we won the war.

And if a country was smart enough to stay out of the 50 year Mexican stand off we had with the USSR, good for them. And if they farked up Vietnam, what does that say about us for following immediately in their footsteps, with as much sucess? About the same thing it says about us for following in Britains steps in Iraq.
 
2012-06-17 12:12:25 PM

KiplingKat872: Hold it. The Americans tipped the balance, but only after we were attacked by Japan. Until that moment, the pleas of Europe had fallen on the deaf, isolationist ears of the U.S.. We did not give a damn until we were yanked in.


And even then, the US was just going to declare war on Japan until Germany declared war on us first.
 
2012-06-17 12:33:15 PM

Satanic_Hamster: KiplingKat872: Hold it. The Americans tipped the balance, but only after we were attacked by Japan. Until that moment, the pleas of Europe had fallen on the deaf, isolationist ears of the U.S.. We did not give a damn until we were yanked in.

And even then, the US was just going to declare war on Japan until Germany declared war on us first.


Well, as far as Congress was concerned, yes. But FDR (who was one of the few in government pushing for U.S. involvement) was banking that Hitler would do that. That's one of the reasons Europe took priority at first.
 
2012-06-17 06:44:28 PM

Mouser: ansius: reading this thread, and some people's attitudes towards the french just amazes me at: 1. how much people hate the french because they refused to join your silly expedition into Iraq; 2. how this hate/dislike/disgust/etc, which first started out as a stupid meme, has now morphed into a genuine prejudice; 3. how well people can cherry pick their historical data to suit their prejudices.

Why do American conservatives hate the French so much? It can't just be because of Iraq because, as other people have noted, the Germans and Canadians also passed on that wonderful little opportunity, and they didn't get the hate. Is it because they have a major political party called the socialists, and they enact laws that are vaguely pro-worker?

I just don't get it.

The US saved their asses during the first and second World Wars of the 20th Century, and they repaid us by refusing to participate in NATO when the prospect of a third World War was staring us all in the face. They also farked up decolonization post-WWII, which led to debacles like the Vietnam War (granted, that one was as much our fault as theirs, but they didn't exactly do us any favors).

The problem isn't that the French are hostile to us; it's that they insist on behaving like a superpower when they've long since ceased to be one. It's that pretentiousness, coupled with a lack of gratitude for keeping them from speaking German, that annoys us.


Wow, what a dummy spit.

By the way, I'm yet to meet a Frenchman who isn't thankful for the help the Allies gave in liberating France. They at least show that attitude in spades to the Canadians, the Australians, the New Zealanders, etc that formed the non-European parts of the Alliance. And have you ever been to an armistice day event in France and seen how they explicitly and formally thank the various nations of the Allies for this?

Perhaps it's because France refuses to become another client state of the USA? And perhaps the conservatives, who have drunk deeply from the Kool-aid of American exceptionalism and power, do not like this.
 
2012-06-18 10:24:50 AM

thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride


Chapter 4: Rescue US from certain economic collapse.
 
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