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2012-06-16 07:39:46 PM

thisisarepeat: Bondith: thisisarepeat
Disagreement is not the issue, betrayal is. When you say "that's a bad idea, i won't support it." You are disagreeing, when you say "absolutely! I'm right behind you!" then stab them in the back at the last possible second, it is betrayal.

Are you sure you're talking about the French? Because that sounds more like an Italian thing.

Italy can always be relied on to rush to the aid of the victors.

We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


This is a possible instance of Poe's law, maybe I've been trolled.
 
2012-06-16 07:40:02 PM

thisisarepeat: We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


Good god, man.
 
2012-06-16 07:41:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Chapter 2: Run Stop

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: Listen


KiplingKat872: bad rap


enriquesantos.com
 
2012-06-16 07:42:51 PM

thisisarepeat: We arent talking about much of a difference here. The french are about as different from the Italians as the Belgians are different from the French. Contrasting the three would be like driving from Pensacola FL to Biloxi MS and expecting to see three different worlds on your 90 min drive.


WOT???? Have I been fished in???
 
2012-06-16 07:46:50 PM

Old Man Winter: jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.

But are there really 6 million people waiting to kick his ass?


There are probably more like 6 billion. The holocaust victims, and everyone else who wants to kick him just for being a jackass.
 
2012-06-16 07:46:51 PM

KiplingKat872: Sorry, I meant to say that we did NOT care how many Kurds he gassed with the weapons we sold him.


Oh is that the current flavor of truthiness we're working with?

"THERE ARE NO WMDs!"

"Whats that?... erm...THATS NOT ENOUGH WMDs!"

"seriously?...b-b-but YOU GAVE THEM THE WMDs!"

I've got some old news for ya, that isnt English printed on those shells.
 
2012-06-16 07:55:16 PM

KiplingKat872: This is a possible instance of Poe's law, maybe I've been trolled.


Of that there can be no doubt. But while i've got you on the line. You can certainly tell a difference between these places on the ground, there are variations on the type of wine consumed, cheese made, they even have thir own versions of Catholicism (talk about diversity) but if you look at them from an economic or geopolitical perspective they are about as close as you can get to being without borders all together.
 
2012-06-16 07:56:19 PM
His spiritual life was like a bus tour through Europe.
 
2012-06-16 08:02:14 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


Hey mister. We like to restrict the conversation to History Channel levels here.
 
2012-06-16 08:12:19 PM

lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?


Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )
 
2012-06-16 08:21:57 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.




The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.
 
2012-06-16 08:23:53 PM

spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )


Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.
 
2012-06-16 08:24:25 PM
wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality
 
2012-06-16 08:25:31 PM

thisisarepeat: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link


Oh for Fark's sake. You are a Claremont Intituter. Some of Leo Strauss's students went on to do great things (Benardete, Bloom), others just went on to found that great 21st century philosophical movement known as Derpism.

Here I was all set to vote for your comment as "smartest" for making fun of French philosophy, then you had to posted those links. Disappointing.
 
2012-06-16 08:29:32 PM

jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.


So heaven is a place where those who have been wronged can finally exact their revenge on people who have wronged them???

/jesusfacepalm
 
2012-06-16 08:30:35 PM

Riothamus: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.



The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.


If you actually read up on it, the French Resistance did a LOT. The Poles were more violent/openly confrontational because they were dealing with a much more repessive regime that was lining the slavs up to be next on the chopping block. But the French were smuggling Allied soldiers out, geurilla fighting in the countryside, and gathering intelligence the Allies could not have planned D-Day and subsequent operations without.
 
2012-06-16 08:44:09 PM

casual disregard: wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality



Some genocides are more fashionable to deny than others:


"In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation."


Ironic? Hypocritical? Practical?

You decide.
 
2012-06-16 08:49:36 PM

KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"
 
2012-06-16 08:52:20 PM

proteus_b: KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"


When I say I am an "expert" on the subject, then you can be a dick about spelling.

Until then, since I put (sic) next to it, STFU.
 
2012-06-16 09:01:22 PM

KiplingKat872: spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )

Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.


That is very true. They were running for their lives. But in the large scale of it, the Allies could have responded to Germany's agression much quicker, and were obligated to, but refused. Once again, I believe this was done purposefully, so that the Nazis would feel less threatened from the coast and break their might on the Bolshevicks ( who at the same time were being bolstered by the anglo-empire).

It was not enough to win the war, the Nazis had to be crushed so that the empire could actually get its armys onto german soil. The war was fought for industrial land.

"Conjuring Hitler" is great read on these angles of the war, and one of the best WW2 reads I've ever come across.

Haven't really read anything on WW2 in about 2 years so dates/battles are not my strong suit currently, but your Dunkirk fact sounded right on.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:13 PM

KiplingKat872: Riothamus: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.



The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.

If you actually read up on it, the French Resistance did a LOT. The Poles were more violent/openly confrontational because they were dealing with a much more repessive regime that was lining the slavs up to be next on the chopping block. But the French were smuggling Allied soldiers out, geurilla fighting in the countryside, and gathering intelligence the Allies could not have planned D-Day and subsequent operations without.


Sorrow and the Pity is required viewing but the Polish resistance was f--king badass against ridiculous odds, likewise with the Czech. And in return they both got lots of civilians massacred as a "lesson" then got sold out to the Russians. Sigh.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:21 PM

proteus_b: KiplingKat872: And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

While perfect spelling isn't always an indicator of intellect or education, and the converse, I do have to say that your credibility as an expert on WWII is indeed compromised if you're unable to spell "Vichy". It indicates that you have never read a book on the subject.

/but your point is more or less correct---things are more complicated than "the Froggies are a bunch of surrender monkeys!"


Next time just correct my spelling instead of launching an uneccessary ad hominem when you can't refute my facts.

That was a total dick move.
 
2012-06-16 09:06:06 PM

Amos Quito: casual disregard: wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality


Some genocides are more fashionable to deny than others:


"In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation."


Ironic? Hypocritical? Practical?

You decide.


On phone so it's too difficult to find, but there was a study on Jewish children being taught about the Holocaust. Most came back with a lesson learned of "we should never let this happen again *to our people*", rather than "wholescale slaughter of *any* peoples should never happen". IIRC it depended on how it was presented...

/sigh
 
2012-06-16 09:07:48 PM

Amos Quito: casual disregard: wellbye.jpg

/holocaust deniers are basically as stupid as truthers and birthers
//take away the substance of their argument. you are necessarily left with the same underlying stupidity: astronomically incorrect lies = reality


Some genocides are more fashionable to deny than others:


"In 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry attempted to prevent an international conference on genocide, held in Tel Aviv, from including any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Several reports suggested that Turkey had warned that Turkish Jews might face "reprisals", if the conference permitted Armenian participation."


Ironic? Hypocritical? Practical?

You decide.


History has lost the names of the dead countless times. Sometimes due to negligence, sometimes due to intentional decision. I use the word (lowercase) holocaust generically for the wholesale slaughter of countless civilians. Even when my own nation frowns upon it.

Armenia is fresh in my mind. Maybe I'm the only one, though. We love murder, we love slaughter, and we love to disremember. I don't take part. But I'm also weak and stupid, so I'm also not sure how to prevent future atrocity.

We said never again, and then we turned our backs and walked away to a cacophony of "please, help us."
 
2012-06-16 09:09:03 PM
Them.

farking. Them.

They're assholes, but they don't realize that they are seen by others as "them."

What's more farked up is that their own people, THEIR PEOPLE, won't protect them against the threat they all see there.

There.
 
2012-06-16 09:15:32 PM

spacelord321: KiplingKat872: spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )

Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.

That is very true. They were running for their lives. But in the large scale of it, the Allies could have responded to Germany's agression much quicker, and were obligated to, but refused. Once again, I believe this was done purposefully, so that the Nazis would feel less threatened from the coast and break their might on the Bolshevicks ( who at the same time were being bolstered by the anglo-empire).

It was not enough to win the war, the Nazis had to be crushed so that the empire could actually get its armys onto german soil. The war was fought for industrial land.

"Conjuring Hitler" is great read on these angles of the war, and one of the best WW2 reads I've ever come across.

Haven't really read anything on WW2 in about 2 years so dates/battles are not my strong suit currently, but your Dunkirk fact sounded right on.


Oh I agree that G.B. did fail France, Chekoslovakia, and Poland by not moving as fast as the treaties obligated them to. I don't know if conquering Germany was on Chamberlain's plate. The Empire was already overextended, almost constantly fighting uprisings around the globe. The Indian resistance was at full steam. I don't think they were looking to add another colony.
 
2012-06-16 09:28:08 PM
Wow. There is way too much fail in these comments to address individually.

/goes back to looking for articles involving nudity and bath salts.
 
2012-06-16 09:38:27 PM

austin_millbarge: jake_lex: Hopefully, there are 6 million people now getting a chance to kick his ass before he gets tossed into Hell.

So heaven is a place where those who have been wronged can finally exact their revenge on people who have wronged them???

/jesusfacepalm


Dude, that would totally be MY idea of heaven.
 
2012-06-16 10:05:10 PM
He needs more descriptors. Was he left-handed?
 
2012-06-16 10:15:57 PM

thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.


LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?
 
2012-06-16 10:16:43 PM

Buttle not Tuttle: thisisarepeat: sleeps in trees: thisisarepeat: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

Sounds plausible, but were they really worse off in that aspect than the Germans after WW1?

Bad rap or not, they reconfirmed their Frenchyness in 2003. They are what they are, I'm not pissed anymore but my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

Could you explain that last paragraph? Just curious?

Here is the story> Link

And here's an interview Chirac gave CBS after he had a few years to get his story straight > Link

Oh for Fark's sake. You are a Claremont Intituter. Some of Leo Strauss's students went on to do great things (Benardete, Bloom), others just went on to found that great 21st century philosophical movement known as Derpism.

Here I was all set to vote for your comment as "smartest" for making fun of French philosophy, then you had to posted those links. Disappointing.


LOL imagine if if I didnt start drinking at 5pm on the dot.
 
2012-06-16 10:28:42 PM

swahnhennessy: lack of warmth: What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

You should read more. That's not how Dunkirk went down. At all.


Or why "the French defenses collapsed" ... good grief.
 
2012-06-16 10:37:08 PM
Wtf are you talking about subby? Obama is still alive.
 
2012-06-16 10:37:54 PM

Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?


LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.
 
2012-06-16 10:40:34 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: KiplingKat872: Riothamus: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.



The French were downright pathetic compared to the Poles. They collaborated their asses off and got bailed out by the Allies. Patton should've taken Paris himself.

If you actually read up on it, the French Resistance did a LOT. The Poles were more violent/openly confrontational because they were dealing with a much more repessive regime that was lining the slavs up to be next on the chopping block. But the French were smuggling Allied soldiers out, geurilla fighting in the countryside, and gathering intelligence the Allies could not have planned D-Day and subsequent operations without.

Sorrow and the Pity is required viewing but the Polish resistance was f--king badass against ridiculous odds, likewise with the Czech. And in return they both got lots of civilians massacred as a "lesson" then got sold out to the Russians. Sigh.


THIS
 
2012-06-16 10:58:29 PM

KiplingKat872: spacelord321: KiplingKat872: spacelord321: lack of warmth: KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.

What also is lacking from most history books was France was abandoned by England. Over 600,000 British soldiers were in France, retreated to the beach, dropped all their weapons and caught every boat they could to get back to England. The French defenses collapsed after the Germans came around on their flanks where the British were suppose to be.

/something I just read about a couple of days ago.
//the British then sank two French battleships with crew because the Germans might get them
///messed up, huh?

Yup. The French expected their allies to uphold the Treaty of Versailles, but were left high and dry. England wanted Hitler to not feel threatened from the west, and waited for him to break himself on the Russians.

Never trust the "Anglish". ; )

Well, Dunkirk was after the appeasement/"Crickey, I hope Uncle Joe can take care of this" period. The Dunkirk evacuation followed a battle that trapped Allied troops. It was a "get out or get killed/captured" situation. A lot of French soldiers were evacuated with the British.

After that Germany was bombing the shiat out of them.

But yeah, they were late to the party.

That is very true. They were running for their lives. But in the large scale of it, the Allies could have responded to Germany's agression much quicker, and were obligated to, but refused. Once again, I believe this was done purposefully, so that ...


Please, Chamberlain did nothing his entire life but gulp Hitlers gizz and should be remembered as Hitlers biatch and nothing else. He should be burried at the bottom of a concentration camp outhouse. Fark that, there may be a jew down there too. He should be exhumed and moved to a specially dug outhouse for child rapists and and neo Nazi's to shiat in and then be buried under that.
 
2012-06-16 11:06:54 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.
 
2012-06-16 11:25:17 PM

thisisarepeat: Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?

LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.


How excactly did the French undermine America in "anyway?" Or are you someone that believes that someone who disagrees with you is "betrayal" and "undermining?"

And to make it clear, the French, and many other nations, were right. We should have never invaded Iraq. All we did was replay what the British did there in the first half of the 20th century.

Which is probably the real reason why you're so pissed off at them.

That, and the fact they have far superior nucular energy program better education, hundreds of years of culture, fantastic art, great food, awesome wine...

Oh, and the Enlightenment. Those little documents like the Declaration of Independance and the Constituion would not exist, we would not exist, without the French leading the way is logic, science, and democratic ideals.

Not to mention their assistance in the Revolutionary War.

So yeah, they do produce things America needs. (If a bunch of Americans could stop being a bunch of arrogant xenophobes.)
 
2012-06-16 11:27:17 PM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


This I have a problem with as well. I'm not sure what the court's rationale was for that ruling.
 
2012-06-16 11:31:34 PM
Shh, he's really hidden in the top part of the bottom of an upside down upright can
 
2012-06-16 11:35:36 PM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.
 
2012-06-16 11:39:27 PM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: Gawdzila: thisisarepeat: my sister still returns merchandise if after she gets it home she discovers a little gold "Made in France" sticker on the inside of the packaging.

LOL, that's really stupid.
Does she still call french fries "freedom fries", too?

LOL, no she does not, she just remembers her baby brother going to war or "WHAR" as you trivialize it, and remembers the French undermining them in ANY capacity what so ever. Beside that fact, its not difficult for her because the French produce nothing an American needs, including plastic cookie sheets. The French are worthless as a nation. Worthless. As evidenced by every single NATO action ever exercised, but then you could say that about any nation in NATO except the U.S. They can ALL make noise, but only the U.S. can deliver Hell to NATO's enemies. The rest are pathetic at best, inconsequential at medium, and annoying at worst.

How excactly did the French undermine America in "anyway?" Or are you someone that believes that someone who disagrees with you is "betrayal" and "undermining?"

And to make it clear, the French, and many other nations, were right. We should have never invaded Iraq. All we did was replay what the British did there in the first half of the 20th century.

Which is probably the real reason why you're so pissed off at them.

That, and the fact they have far superior nucular energy program better education, hundreds of years of culture, fantastic art, great food, awesome wine...

Oh, and the Enlightenment. Those little documents like the Declaration of Independance and the Constituion would not exist, we would not exist, without the French leading the way is logic, science, and democratic ideals.

Not to mention their assistance in the Revolutionary War.

So yeah, they do produce things America needs. (If a bunch of Americans could stop being a bunch of arrogant xenophobes.)


Settle down Pierre, the only reason the occupying Nazi's didn't fark with the American flag that flies over the grave of Lafayette is that they knew there was an exception to Frenchness beneath it. Not that they had any respect what so ever for the flag its self. Or the French for that matter.
 
2012-06-16 11:41:31 PM

Vampire_Blues: Am I the only one who thinks it is messed up that you can actually be sentenced to prison for Holocaust Denial?

I mean are you serious? How are nutjobs denying the Holocaust such a large threat to warrant their incarceration? This is essentially punishing someone for Thoughtcrime.

/And people say the US has problems with civil liberties.


This is why we live in America, and get REALLY UPSET when people start talking about how there should be laws against people saying words that make other people offended. That First Amendment thingy means exactly what it says, and I don't care how "offended" anyone is.
 
2012-06-16 11:45:11 PM

KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.


Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.
 
2012-06-16 11:48:17 PM
ok, i screwed up my syntax.

Vampire_Blues: Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese American Citizens? That there were no WMDs in Iraq?

 
2012-06-16 11:50:41 PM
He seemed to jump from one new hotness to another his whole life. He was alive during the War too. What a tool.
 
2012-06-16 11:56:41 PM
Holocaust deniers fall in with those that believe that Elvis is alive and batboy has been found. Fairly useless and critically illiterate.
 
2012-06-16 11:58:47 PM

Vampire_Blues: KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.

Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.


This 1000 times.
 
2012-06-16 11:59:53 PM

Vampire_Blues: KiplingKat872: I looked it up. Holocaust denial is part of the package deal banning Nazism in countries where it flourished like Germany and Austria. The Holocaust denial movement began with a couple former SS officers, and in Europe it seems to be usually entwined with neo-nazi groups.

It's not free speech, and igniring the movement has allowed the lies to flourish. Those lies need to be disapproven openly, but I understand their rationale of banning it.

Should we lock up all liars? I mean I understand that this is tied to Nazism, a horrible ideology, but we get into a real slippery slope here. Do we start arresting people who say that Pinochet did good things in Chile? Do we arrest folks who deny the existence of the Goulag? The Internment of Japanese Citizens? That there were WMDs in Iraq?

I would disagree with you and say that making Holocaust Denial illegal encourages perpetuation of the lies. Having something this taboo is a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream. And censorship of ideas has no place in a free society.


That's why we live here and America is inherently better than countries that lack a Bill of Rights.
 
2012-06-17 12:04:36 AM

KiplingKat872: thisisarepeat: French Philosophy?

Chapter 1: Talk shiat

Chapter 2: Run

Chapter 3: Collaborate

Chapter 4: ?

Chapter 5: Maintain Texas levels of irrational pride

The French get a bad rap for surrendering, but most people don't think abput the fact that their population of fighting men had been decimated in WWI, whichs they did not come home to make babbies to grow up to be soldiers. The French just did not have the manpower.

And while the Viscey (sic) government collaborated, the French also had a strong resistance movement.


Not to mention that in the 1940 invasion of France over 100,000 French soldiers were killed or wounded. You can't get those casualties in such a short time by surrendering at every opportunity. They fought hard.
 
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