strangeluck: But as far as the lady getting fired not long after she filed a harassment complaint, that does look pretty damned suspicious, despite the company claiming they tracked her company vehicle to a private event.

The timing of everything in inherently suspicious. It's possible the company is telling the truth, but how often does that happen? Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically screams that she was fired exactly for the complaint.

Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

strangeluck: Based on what I know of the military's rules, I think I can agree with the reprimand the two airmen got for doing the photo while in uniform. If it's against the rules, it's against the rules. But as far as the lady getting fired not long after she filed a harassment complaint, that does look pretty damned suspicious, despite the company claiming they tracked her company vehicle to a private event..

No matter. The company will find a crowd of angry, militant breastfeeding advocates nursing on their front steps.

Even if they damn the PR shiatstorm, there's not enough pepperspray to make them go away.

AbbeySomeone: She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

She can work hard to promote breastfeeding on her own time. Or mine.

AbbeySomeone: Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

Adoptive parents bond just as well with infants as do natural parents, and without the bond formed by skin-to-skin contact and breastfeeding.

The science, it's kinda backing away slowly from you.

What_do_you_want_now: AbbeySomeone: Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

Adoptive parents bond just as well with infants as do natural parents, and without the bond formed by skin-to-skin contact and breastfeeding.

The science, it's kinda backing away slowly from you.

You quote "science" and then go on to assume that all adoptive mothers won't breastfeed an infant, presumably because its not hers?

That seems...illogical.

strangeluck: If it's against the rules, it's against the rules.

I didn't read the original thread on this -- exactly what rule did they break?


mitchcumstein1: I'm jealous of the baby, I guess.

Ditto!

/Mmm, double-barreled booby action

Giggity.

That is all.

AbbeySomeone: Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

That is not why she was fired, or is this bogus discrimination claim she is making. This is why she was fired.

Amongst other things, on the day prior to her termination, Ms. Scott had clocked in to the company's timekeeping system and had been assigned time-sensitive tasks that were wholly ignored. Thereafter, Ms. Scott ignored the company's repeated attempts to contact her to inquire as to her whereabouts and status of her job assignments. When the company finally did get a hold of Ms. Scott, she informed them that she was sick and would not be working. Based on company records - including GPS data from a company van that had been assigned to her - Ms. Scott was actually at a local media outlet conducting personal business, on company time, using company equipment as transportation."

First off clocking in and leaving work with out permission to do other stuff is called stealing time and will get you fired anyplace you work at. Then she used company equipment to for her own use without permission.

Their is more than enough cause to fire her, all of these claims she is making are just her trying get something out of it.

Obviously, there is no way to know what really happened. However, the Schryver Medical corporate communications people are damn good at their jobs.

Also, nice rack, airman.

illicit: You quote "science" and then go on to assume that all adoptive mothers won't breastfeed an infant, presumably because its not hers?

That seems...illogical.

You quote "science" and then go on to assume that only adoptive mothers won't breastfeed an infant, presumably because its not hers and ignore the father's rights to breastfeed?

boobys boobys every where and not a drop to drink

I like seeing breast-feeding in public. What I don't get is why the women often give you a dirty look when they see you watching. If your gonna whip out your boob in public, I'm gonna look at it.

Gawdzila: I didn't read the original thread on this -- exactly what rule did they break?

I didn't read the original article, either, but having been in the Army, there are rules that specifically state you cannot wear your uniform or anything that identifies you as military while protesting or participating in a campaign like this, unless it's an officially sponsored event.

AbbeySomeone: Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?


'The Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics'

From http://menforjustice.net/;-

"Shaming tactics." This phrase is familiar to many Men's Rights Activists. It conjures up the histrionic behavior of female detractors who refuse to argue their points with logic. Yet women are not the only ones guilty of using shaming tactics against men. Male gynocentrists use them, too.

Shaming tactics are emotional devices meant to play on a man's insecurities and shut down debate. They are meant to elicit sympathy for women and to demonize men who ask hard questions. Most, if not all, shaming tactics are basically ad homimem attacks.

Anyway, it might be helpful to categorize the major shaming tactics that are used against men whenever a discussion arises about feminism, men's issues, romance, etc. The following list contains descriptions of shaming tactics, some examples of quotes employing the tactics, and even color-coded aliases for mnemonic purposes. Enjoy.
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

strangeluck: Based on what I know of the military's rules, I think I can agree with the reprimand the two airmen got for doing the photo while in uniform. If it's against the rules, it's against the rules. But as far as the lady getting fired not long after she filed a harassment complaint, that does look pretty damned suspicious, despite the company claiming they tracked her company vehicle to a private event.


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Oh and, military moms = Awesome.

I think it's important to clarify that it wasn't the mere taking of the photo that was the problem, but its use in a promotional campaign. Somehow this detail has been pretty glossed over in all the poutrage about oppression of breastfeeding mothers (the most important people in the world.)

It's the same reason you can get your wedding photos taken in your uniform, but you can't use those photos to promote an anti-gay-marriage amendment.

rickythepenguin: I love tits.

Me too. We should hang out.

MarkEC: I like seeing breast-feeding in public. What I don't get is why the women often give you a dirty look when they see you watching. If your gonna whip out your boob in public, I'm gonna look at it.

FINALLY! A voice of reason in his thread. Thank you.

Also, biatch deserved to get fired if what the company says is true.

ongbok: That is not why she was fired, or is this bogus discrimination claim she is making. This is why she was fired.

Amongst other things, on the day prior to her termination, Ms. Scott had clocked in to the company's timekeeping system and had been assigned time-sensitive tasks that were wholly ignored. Thereafter, Ms. Scott ignored the company's repeated attempts to contact her to inquire as to her whereabouts and status of her job assignments. When the company finally did get a hold of Ms. Scott, she informed them that she was sick and would not be working. Based on company records - including GPS data from a company van that had been assigned to her - Ms. Scott was actually at a local media outlet conducting personal business, on company time, using company equipment as transportation."

First off clocking in and leaving work with out permission to do other stuff is called stealing time and will get you fired anyplace you work at. Then she used company equipment to for her own use without permission.

Their is more than enough cause to fire her, all of these claims she is making are just her trying get something out of it.

... unless they don't fire others for the same offense. For example, are other employees allowed to take company vans home? And are they allowed to take said vans on personal errands?
It could be a legitimate reason for firing her, or it could be a whitewash over a retaliatory firing. We don't have enough facts to say either way.

It's even possible a jury could split a decision and say that she was fired for cause (i.e. company is not liable for wrongful dismissal) and in retaliation for her harassment complaint (i.e company is liable for harassment and retaliation).

You're a woman.

StoPPeRmobile: AbbeySomeone: Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?


'The Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics'

From http://menforjustice.net/;-

"Shaming tactics." This phrase is familiar to many Men's Rights Activists. It conjures up the histrionic behavior of female detractors who refuse to argue their points with logic. Yet women are not the only ones guilty of using shaming tactics against men. Male gynocentrists use them, too.

Shaming tactics are emotional devices meant to play on a man's insecurities and shut down debate. They are meant to elicit sympathy for women and to demonize men who ask hard questions. Most, if not all, shaming tactics are basically ad homimem attacks.

Anyway, it might be helpful to categorize the major shaming tactics that are used against men whenever a discussion arises about feminism, men's issues, romance, etc. The following list contains descriptions of shaming tactics, some examples of quotes employing the tactics, and even color-coded aliases for mnemonic purposes. Enjoy.
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

While this is marginally more relevant here than the last time I saw you post it, it is no less stupid.

New Fetish: Breastfeeding in Uniform

Man On A Mission: She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

Why do so many people blindly believe these random corporate CYA quotes? Don't you work for a corporation, too? Haven't you caught your employer lying? In my corporate career, I can only come up with one single organization who didn't routinely lie to the public and its employees whenever it was convenient.

I have personally witnessed 3 people get fired on fabricated evidence because someone in the corp just didn't like them. In 2 of these cases, the reason I know for sure is I was asked to be part of the fabrication. I declined, incidentally. In one of these cases, the employee actually did deserve to be fired, but it was easier for his boss to fabricate evidence of something else than document the mistakes he actually was making.

Am I really the only person this crap happens to? I mean, I don't assume the woman's being truthful either. So far, it's all hearsay on both sides. But how in the world is anyone in America still so innocent they just assume a corporate statement is true?

GAT_00: strangeluck: But as far as the lady getting fired not long after she filed a harassment complaint, that does look pretty damned suspicious, despite the company claiming they tracked her company vehicle to a private event.

The timing of everything in inherently suspicious. It's possible the company is telling the truth, but how often does that happen? Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically screams that she was fired exactly for the complaint.

Actually, I rather suspect they are telling the truth here. They made very specific allegations--I doubt they would have done that if they couldn't back them up.

MisterLoki: Also, nice rack, airman.

Those look like they've got some perk to them.

Never hire a woman of childbearing age, or any woman who recently had children.

I don't care if women breast feed in uniform. Having said that, if she did what the company said she did, she deserved to be fired.

Beowoolfie: Man On A Mission: She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

Why do so many people blindly believe these random corporate CYA quotes? Don't you work for a corporation, too? Haven't you caught your employer lying? In my corporate career, I can only come up with one single organization who didn't routinely lie to the public and its employees whenever it was convenient.

I have personally witnessed 3 people get fired on fabricated evidence because someone in the corp just didn't like them. In 2 of these cases, the reason I know for sure is I was asked to be part of the fabrication. I declined, incidentally. In one of these cases, the employee actually did deserve to be fired, but it was easier for his boss to fabricate evidence of something else than document the mistakes he actually was making.

Am I really the only person this crap happens to? I mean, I don't assume the woman's being truthful either. So far, it's all hearsay on both sides. But how in the world is anyone in America still so innocent they just assume a corporate statement is true?

I'm usually the first to side with the employee, but if they in fact have GPS records showing she was at a media outlet in a company vehicle when she claimed to be working and/or sick, that' doesn't look good for her.

Does anyone have pics of the breast in question?

illicit: What_do_you_want_now: AbbeySomeone: Man On A Mission: GAT_00: Firing someone right after filing a harassment complaint basically

According to TFA, she didn't file a complaint.

She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen. She deserves what she got.

She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

Adoptive parents bond just as well with infants as do natural parents, and without the bond formed by skin-to-skin contact and breastfeeding.

The science, it's kinda backing away slowly from you.

You quote "science" and then go on to assume that all adoptive mothers won't breastfeed an infant, presumably because its not hers?

That seems...illogical.

Apologies. I didn't mean that, I mean that a parent who adopts a child after the age of breastfeeding bonds just as well, if not better, than a parent who breastfed their child.

Adoptive Parent = Too old to breastfeed
Natural Parent = Breastfed

Both have the same bond-strength when place in the "Strange Situation" experiment(which was designed to test bond type as well as strength)

Donnchadha: AbbeySomeone: She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

You got a lot of bites for an obviously sarcastic comment. I'm surprised.

Sssh. The day is young.

yes service moms are so great since they get pregnant in just the right time so they don't have to ship out and they can stay stateside...wooooo

Sounds like she was an annoying PIA that they were happy to get rid of. I'm sure everyone at her workplace was tired of constantly getting lectured on breastfeeding rights and the "horrible oppression of women in the US"

Breastfeeding is gross. I dont want to see that crap. Waste of a boob too. Its kind of like using a corvette to haul a trailer. However, I think I'll adopt the stare plan mentioned earlier. Maybe with a couple winks and nods thrown in. "Hey baby, nice breast. Can I be next?"

Those women are hot.

Man On A Mission: She got busted using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business and lied about being sick. Everything else is a smokescreen.

unless, of course, the 'using a company vehicle on company time to do personal business' part was the smokescreen.

someone is lying, and we don't know who. occams razor points it toward the one with a motive - the company. The patterns shown from history from these these kind of discrimination claims points toward the company as well, but in truth we don't know.

/nice to see which side you feel required to jump in on though. i have a feeling it has nothing to do with the case itself.

Donnchadha: AbbeySomeone: She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

You got a lot of bites for an obviously sarcastic comment. I'm surprised.

I'm surprised, too. I thought it was blatantly obvious. I even clicked the Funny button for it.

If she did what they said, they've got her by the balls.

AbbeySomeone: Donnchadha: AbbeySomeone: She is working hard to promote breastfeeding, why do you hate the mother/child bond? Are you jealous or just sexist?

You got a lot of bites for an obviously sarcastic comment. I'm surprised.

Sssh. The day is young.

......I must admit, it was easy for me. I'm currently in a deadlock over a developmental researcher about this debate. So, yeah, lovely week and all.

Pete_T_Mann: Breastfeeding is gross. I dont want to see that crap. Waste of a boob too. Its kind of like using a corvette to haul a trailer.

If we're going with trailer-hauling analogies, I'd say it's more apt that adult male sexual use of breasts is like using a trailer hitch as a butt-plug.

/NTTAWWT