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(BBC-US)   Is the Earth being pushed to its breaking point by us humans? Short answer: YES. Long answer: YES, but we still can do something about it   (bbc.com) divider line 212
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2012-06-17 04:45:24 AM  

Grobbley: Enigmamf: Grobbley: We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these farking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the farking planet? (blah blah blah)

That is the dumbest, most transparent straw-man argument I have ever seen. "Let's completely misinterpret what people mean by 'save the planet' so that we can mock them for meaning 'save ourselves'".

What idiot wrote that? I refuse to click the link.

You missed the point.


Please do tell, what was the point I missed? I see from the other replies that it was George Carlin. If you can improve upon his performance, please do.
 
2012-06-17 04:57:26 AM  

Mikeyworld: To reiterate a point: You cannot SAVE the earth, You can only save YOURSELVES.


To reiterate a point: YOU'RE BURNING A farkING STRAW MAN!
 
2012-06-17 10:14:14 AM  

lizaardvark: It's clear that there are an awful lot of tree-huggers here. Guessing, also very young tree-huggers. Because we've been through the "sky is falling" bit for decade after decade, now, and it's all been cultist moonshine.

We were told the Earth was running out of oil in the 1970s. Naw, just politicians messing around.

We were told that the Earth would be overpopulated and out of resources by 1999, with riots in the cities and people eating Soylent Green. Naw, just rabid hysterics from an environmentalist attention whore.

This sort of nonsense goes back centuries. But anyone who's not a kid any more has seen it happen themselves, in person. You shouldn't fall for this sort of drivel.



We haven't run out of oil yet, so clearly all of the concern is a conspiracy and supplies are really unlimited.

We haven't reached Earth's carrying capacity yet, so the idea of 'carrying capacity' is false and Earth can sustain an unlimited number of people.

We haven't seen a sudden, worldwide population-based crisis yet, so any warnings from "cultists' like "scientists" and "educated people" are just "hysterics' and "drivel." We should just keep living and consuming exactly like we have been, while 3 billion people in the Developing World are doing their very best to catch up to our rate of consumption.

Are you one of those "don't plan or exercise common sense, God will take care of everything" types? Or do you just believe that the planet contains unlimited quantities of resources?

Either way, I'm very glad that you're not in charge of anything important.
 
2012-06-17 11:07:40 AM  

lizaardvark: It's clear that there are an awful lot of tree-huggers here. Guessing, also very young tree-huggers. Because we've been through the "sky is falling" bit for decade after decade, now, and it's all been cultist moonshine.

We were told the Earth was running out of oil in the 1970s. Naw, just politicians messing around.

We were told that the Earth would be overpopulated and out of resources by 1999, with riots in the cities and people eating Soylent Green. Naw, just rabid hysterics from an environmentalist attention whore.

This sort of nonsense goes back centuries. But anyone who's not a kid any more has seen it happen themselves, in person. You shouldn't fall for this sort of drivel.


I know you're either a troll or a paid shill, but I'll bite.

Maybe you didnt pay attention during current events, but you likely live in the middle of an empire than rules the world with an iron fist. Sure, there are the Russians and the Chinese, but they pretty much tiptoe around us. Hell, we can prevent them from shipping weapons to Syria by revoking their insurance. We're The West. Our borders stretch from northern Australian to the Mediterranean Sea, from the North Pole to the Rio Grande. Who carved a thousand mile highway through the Antarctic night? We did. The Western Empire, the Anglo-European Empire, call it what you will. Those food riots happen in a lot of ugly places you don't hear about on the news. People are eating other in Africa. There is regular ethnic cleansing all over the place due to shortages of food and water. fark, "where are the food riots" you say? Have you ever opened a newspaper in your life?
 
2012-06-17 11:37:46 AM  

Enigmamf: Mikeyworld: To reiterate a point: You cannot SAVE the earth, You can only save YOURSELVES.


To reiterate a point: YOU'RE BURNING A farkING STRAW MAN!


Ya really like that expression, do ya? And nice work explaining your contentions. You can call names all you want, but You'll eventually have to speak to the matter.

/carrot
//yeah, carrot
 
2012-06-17 04:57:46 PM  

DKinMN: Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

I imagine hanging out with you is the sort of thing people do out of social obligation. Nobody could possibly enjoy it.


I'll take your ad hominem as an admission that my argument is right.
 
2012-06-17 05:01:54 PM  

pjc51: Tommy Moo: pjc51: Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

What do you mean finally? This has been part of the debate since day one - in fact before then, as there have been many other "crises" prior to climate change where population control has been proposed as a solution. Merchants of Despair (pops) by Robert Zubrin includes an overview of just how well it's worked in the past. The problem is that nobody has ever implemented anything which hasn't been massively inhumane in some way, with the exception of the one way which is known to work: improving living standards so people don't want to have kids.

I wouldn't call a simple plan to phase out dependent child tax credits while forcing people to pay tuition for public schools beginning with their third child "massively inhumane."

I'd imagine that many people wouldn't agree with you there, given you're in effect denying children access to education based on their parents' choices.


No, I'm forcing their parents to pay tuition. If you like, we can just call it a tax penalty instead, to prevent people from getting around it by not educating their excess kids.
 
2012-06-17 05:46:21 PM  

lizaardvark: You shouldn't fall for this sort of drivel.



But you want us to fall for your uneducated drivel instead?
 
2012-06-17 05:48:00 PM  

Tommy Moo: educating



What discipline is your Ph.D. in?
 
2012-06-18 12:05:47 AM  

intelligent comment below: Tommy Moo: educating


What discipline is your Ph.D. in?


What does that have to do with anything?

Chemistry.
 
2012-06-18 12:30:01 PM  
Haven't scientists been saying for the past 250 years that the Earth is nearing its capacity to support human life?
I'm still waiting for the cannibalism-inducing famine that was supposed to strike India and China in the 1970s

How about Hans Roslings latest TED Talks where he demonstrates the relation between religion and population growth. That is absolutely no relation at all; its all in child mortality rates. The more likely the child is to live to adulthood, the fewer children the women have

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies.html

I encourage you to view all his presentations. Very informative using tons and tons of UN-collected data
 
2012-06-18 08:49:37 PM  
StoneColdAtheist

"Neither environmental studies nor geology departments have been about doing basic research in their respective namesake areas for decades. That's just the way it is, and anyone seriously contemplating a career change into those areas need to understand that fundamental fact going in."


See, that is what I was afraid of. I don't necessarily mind working in either energy / minerals extraction but I would love to do something that actually uses earth science to . . . you know, help the earth and people on it . . . .
 
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