It takes 2.11 children per family to sustain population, and most of Europe is well below that figure, averaging 1.3 to 1.9 children, and 1.6 overall. The population of Japan is declining.

However, the population of Europe is growing rapidly, mainly becaiuse of immigration from Moslem countries.

The United States is growing because of immigration as well, mainly from Mexico and other Latin nations; however, the population in third world countries is soaring.

That is where your problem lies: not too many people; too many people with too few resources.

Fano: There will come soft rains

Appears to be jerkoff material for some

A heap of smouldering skulls doesn't get you hard?

What kind of a Caucasian are you?



/vants to haf ein vord.

Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

Don't fark in the front hole

pjc51: The problem is that nobody has ever implemented anything which hasn't been massively inhumane in some way, with the exception of the one way which is known to work: improving living standards so people don't want to have kids.

Bingo.

NFA: NO you don't understand. GOD said to keep having children until every resource on the planet is consumed and mass famine and endless conflict result. It's GOD's way people don't you understand???

When GOD says "good stewardship" he really means removing all regulation from corporations so that they can destroy the environment for profit. It means to take from the poor and give to the rich without conscience.

Dude... you try to make this about religion, cause you're real angry about religion and want to blame everything on it cause "religion is bad bad bad" -I get it, but this is not about religion. Of the atheists and religious that I know I can see absolutely no correlation between religious views and environmentalism. Criticise climate-change "skeptics" all you want -they're ignorant anti-science fools. But this has nothing to do with where you go on Sunday. Stop trying to pretend that some relatively petty theological point is more important than saving the planet.

Baryogenesis: Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids."


Okay. I'm stopping there. Because you are right.

The thing is that humans seems to have this idea that evolution has been marching forward to the inevitable conclusion that is US; this superior race. And the majority of humans don't see how misguided and stupid that concept is.
This is why we humans spend so much time trying to create as many more humans as we possibly can. This, in the face of obvious overpopulation and subsequent overuse of resources that will literally wipe out our species.

The facts are there. They cannot be overlooked unless you choose to.

My point here has nothing to do with some Al Gore vision of global warming (this is another topic), this is about overbalancing the entire biosphere. We are doing it.

The Earth doesn't care about us. It would probably be happier if we finally killed ourselves off once and for all.

Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids.


Couldn't have been said better. Glad to know I'm not alone.

"Save the planet. Kill yourself."

Quoting an old panhandling sign.

Valiente: NFA: NO you don't understand. GOD said to keep having children until every resource on the planet is consumed and mass famine and endless conflict result. It's GOD's way people don't you understand???

When GOD says "good stewardship" he really means removing all regulation from corporations so that they can destroy the environment for profit. It means to take from the poor and give to the rich without conscience.

You'd think a deity named after the word for "deity" wouldn't have to shout, frankly.

It's like naming your kid Homo.

I'm just a homo!
I'M JUST A HOMO!

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Tinton: Nuke Africa. Let the fallout destroy Asia. Problem solved, 3-4 billion darkies eliminated.


chuckufarlie: your racism is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge concerning global wind patterns.

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Completely owned.

chuckufarlie, you call me racist as if its derogatory. I take pride in it. You'd have to be insane to live in this world with so much competition, and not want your people to succeed. If you care that much about how "minorities" (they're a global majority, minority my ass) are disenfrancised, I suggest you off yourself, since that'll help them more than any kind of aid will. And yes, we're all human, we're all roughly the same. To me though, looks matter. I don't find women outside my race to be attractive. That means I place an emphasis on race/etc. If I were the last white man on earth I just wouldn't fark anyone, that'd be it.

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Tinton: Nuke Africa. Let the fallout destroy Asia. Problem solved, 3-4 billion darkies eliminated.


chuckufarlie: your racism is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge concerning global wind patterns.

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and yet you still know nothing about global wind patterns.


That wasn't my post, but I did enjoy watching you get hooked. ;-)

And the only thing that I need to know about wind is that it does NOT blow.

It sucks.

;-)

So does your mom!
;=)

Tinton: chuckufarlie, you call me racist as if its derogatory. I take pride in it. You'd have to be insane to live in this world with so much competition, and not want your people to succeed.


Do you believe whites are in imminent danger of becoming extinct or something? Im white, but I wouldn't cry if whites with this ^ type of mentality die off.

I got redlit on an article about north Carolina making it illegal to use climate models that predicted devastating sea level rises in the next 100 years. Said it would put huge economic pressure on low lying areas to incorporate such predictions so therefore such predictions must be made illegal.
Seriously, they'll only be able to use a linear model which only predicts a relatively small rise despite the fact that everyone knows sea level rise won't be linear.

/we're all farked.

Tinton: chuckufarlie, you call me racist as if its derogatory. I take pride in it. You'd have to be insane to live in this world with so much competition, and not want your people to succeed. If you care that much about how "minorities" (they're a global majority, minority my ass) are disenfrancised, I suggest you off yourself, since that'll help them more than any kind of aid will. And yes, we're all human, we're all roughly the same. To me though, looks matter. I don't find women outside my race to be attractive. That means I place an emphasis on race/etc. If I were the last white man on earth I just wouldn't fark anyone, that'd be it.



You poor,poor white man. Must be hell living in Atlanta.

Is the Earth being pushed to its breaking point by us humans?

The astounding hubris and arrogance to imagine mankind can have anything but the tiniest impact of this unspeakably massive, perfectly woven together, enduring, eternally rugged system of elements and gravity is beyond me how inflated the sense of grandiosity has to be to shout the sky is falling and mean it.

Take care of your patch and I'll take care of mine. Meanwhile, chill. You'll pull something letting Boneheads stampede you like this.

Simple concept: Dont sh*t where you eat.

Application of this idea turns out to be hard when people don't realize exactly what "shi*tting" and "eating" are in their particular case.

Short answer: no.
Long answer: no.
Scientific answer: no.
Consensus answer: no.
Historical answer: no.

Its arrogant to think we can break the planet. The planet will be fine. It will just be uninhabitable for us.

Once again if we only conform, obey, and sacrifice disaster will be adverted. Meanwhile our ruling masters will live in luxury indulging in anything they please.

It is the oldest scam of the ruling class. It started with something like the first predicted eclipse and has only grown over time.

What is really sick this time around is that the real environmental damage is done to benefit the very people we are supposed to be obeying. Those who run the governments of the world and their close corporate friends. They have the solution for us. We are supposed to do as they say and sacrifice our lifestyle for theirs. We are supposed to be poorer so they can be richer.

Thousands of years have passed and the same basic scam keeps working.

Let me know when our rulers and their wealthy friends drop their energy use and life style down to that of a lower-middle-class american and then I'll start to take them seriously.

Enigmamf: Grobbley: We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these farking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the farking planet? (blah blah blah)

That is the dumbest, most transparent straw-man argument I have ever seen. "Let's completely misinterpret what people mean by 'save the planet' so that we can mock them for meaning 'save ourselves'".

What idiot wrote that? I refuse to click the link.

No points for you. That's George Carlin, and he's right. Truth through comedy. We're farked, the Earth isn't.

/in an unusually crazy summer in Texas.

sjcousins: I got redlit on an article about north Carolina making it illegal to use climate models that predicted devastating sea level rises in the next 100 years. Said it would put huge economic pressure on low lying areas to incorporate such predictions so therefore such predictions must be made illegal.
Seriously, they'll only be able to use a linear model which only predicts a relatively small rise despite the fact that everyone knows sea level rise won't be linear.

/we're all farked.

Link

pjc51: Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

What do you mean finally? This has been part of the debate since day one - in fact before then, as there have been many other "crises" prior to climate change where population control has been proposed as a solution. Merchants of Despair (pops) by Robert Zubrin includes an overview of just how well it's worked in the past. The problem is that nobody has ever implemented anything which hasn't been massively inhumane in some way, with the exception of the one way which is known to work: improving living standards so people don't want to have kids.

I wouldn't call a simple plan to phase out dependent child tax credits while forcing people to pay tuition for public schools beginning with their third child "massively inhumane."

Tommy Moo: pjc51: Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

What do you mean finally? This has been part of the debate since day one - in fact before then, as there have been many other "crises" prior to climate change where population control has been proposed as a solution. Merchants of Despair (pops) by Robert Zubrin includes an overview of just how well it's worked in the past. The problem is that nobody has ever implemented anything which hasn't been massively inhumane in some way, with the exception of the one way which is known to work: improving living standards so people don't want to have kids.

I wouldn't call a simple plan to phase out dependent child tax credits while forcing people to pay tuition for public schools beginning with their third child "massively inhumane."

You hate babies? Because they are going to say you hate babies.

Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

I imagine hanging out with you is the sort of thing people do out of social obligation. Nobody could possibly enjoy it.

Tinton: chuckufarlie, you call me racist as if its derogatory. I take pride in it. You'd have to be insane to live in this world with so much competition, and not want your people to succeed. If you care that much about how "minorities" (they're a global majority, minority my ass) are disenfrancised, I suggest you off yourself, since that'll help them more than any kind of aid will. And yes, we're all human, we're all roughly the same. To me though, looks matter. I don't find women outside my race to be attractive. That means I place an emphasis on race/etc. If I were the last white man on earth I just wouldn't fark anyone, that'd be it.

Of course you feel that way. I am sure that your ancestors owned slaves and you think that is okay as well. Lots of rednecks are proud of their racist attitudes. Have you ever noticed that there more of a racist a person is, the less educated they are? Ignorance breeds racism.

BTW, I never said that I was concerned that anybody is disenfranchised. That idea is all yours. The fact that you seem to think I said anything about that just proves even further how ignorant you are.

Don't be late for your KKK meeting, dumbass.

fusillade762: chuckufarlie: When we are beyond the tipping point, will these idiots shut up?

How did I know you'd be in here shiatting your derp all over this thread?

good for you, another gullible person with no clue what is actually going on.

chuckufarlie: Kumana Wanalaia: chuckufarlie: When we are beyond the tipping point, will these idiots shut up?

I'm sorry that you feel threatened by the people who are trying to stop your masters and useful fools like yourself from causing a catastrophe.

Also, your mother dresses you funny.

wow, take an English Class. YOU'RE, not YOUR. And with that I see no need to deal with an idiot.

Is this correction serious?

Darth_Lukecash: contrapunctus: chuckufarlie: whither_apophis: Grobbley: Enigmamf: Grobbley: We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these farking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the farking planet? (blah blah blah)

That is the dumbest, most transparent straw-man argument I have ever seen. "Let's completely misinterpret what people mean by 'save the planet' so that we can mock them for meaning 'save ourselves'".

What idiot wrote that? I refuse to click the link.

You missed the point.

Actually the point is to make it about saving trees, whales, bats, etc... because humanity as a whole gives fark all about other humans.

Jews in the '40's "could you please bomb the Nazis running the concentration camps?" Allies "nah"

"Hutus are killing Tutsi left and right!" "...wha?.."

"Wow look at US obesity rates skyeocket!" "Cool! 1000 calories of processed corn and fat is cheaper than a pound of broccoli!"

Humans are only altruistic about members of their tribe, but a programmed to like cute things, and convincing people that Pashtuns and Yanomamo are part of their tribe is a hell of a lot harder than holding up a baby sloth and saying "look at that face!"

off subject, but your comment about bombing the Nazis is just ignorant.

He's actually right.

Im on mobile so i can't post a link here, but Google "Witold Pilecki". He was a Polish resistance fighter who had to VOLUNTEER to be sent to Auschwitz in order to gather proof that the atrocities were happening.

It wasn't a clear cut case from the outset, and many on the Allied side were in denial about how horrific the holocaust was.

The reason why the allies didn't bomb the concentration camps was because they really offered no strategic valu ...

Imagine the propaganda value for the Nazis if they could have reported that the Allies had just killed a bunch of Jews.

Sheseala: chuckufarlie: Kumana Wanalaia: chuckufarlie: When we are beyond the tipping point, will these idiots shut up?

I'm sorry that you feel threatened by the people who are trying to stop your masters and useful fools like yourself from causing a catastrophe.

Also, your mother dresses you funny.

wow, take an English Class. YOU'RE, not YOUR. And with that I see no need to deal with an idiot.

Is this correction serious?

no, but it shut him up.

StoneColdAtheist: chuckufarlie: is that your point?

Since you don't seem to get it, I'll spell it out for you: MBA Whore should understand what he's getting himself into if he is seriously considering a career change.

why did you not answer my question about where geologists should work?

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Tinton: Nuke Africa. Let the fallout destroy Asia. Problem solved, 3-4 billion darkies eliminated.


chuckufarlie: your racism is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge concerning global wind patterns.

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guess what? He IS a racist. You jumped to a conclusion and you missed.

Humanity passed the point of no-return decades ago. The short version is that if we executed everyone on the planet over the age of 40 and adopted a global one-child policy like China's, then by 2200 only about 3/5th of the world's population would die due to starvation & water loss. That's a best case scenario.

chuckufarlie: StoneColdAtheist: chuckufarlie: is that your point?

Since you don't seem to get it, I'll spell it out for you: MBA Whore should understand what he's getting himself into if he is seriously considering a career change.

why did you not answer my question about where geologists should work?

Because that wasn't the point. Give it up. You lost already.

Neither environmental studies nor geology departments have been about doing basic research in their respective namesake areas for decades. That's just the way it is, and anyone seriously contemplating a career change into those areas need to understand that fundamental fact going in.

Avery614: sjcousins: I got redlit on an article about north Carolina making it illegal to use climate models that predicted devastating sea level rises in the next 100 years. Said it would put huge economic pressure on low lying areas to incorporate such predictions so therefore such predictions must be made illegal.
Seriously, they'll only be able to use a linear model which only predicts a relatively small rise despite the fact that everyone knows sea level rise won't be linear.

/we're all farked.

Link

http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/dn21934-north-carolina-trie s-to-outlaw-climate-models.htm

sjcousins: Avery614: sjcousins: I got redlit on an article about north Carolina making it illegal to use climate models that predicted devastating sea level rises in the next 100 years. Said it would put huge economic pressure on low lying areas to incorporate such predictions so therefore such predictions must be made illegal.
Seriously, they'll only be able to use a linear model which only predicts a relatively small rise despite the fact that everyone knows sea level rise won't be linear.

/we're all farked.

Link

http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/dn21934-north-carolina-tri e s-to-outlaw-climate-models.htm

Frickin mobile. Link

For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids."

Yet all the really big families that I know of are conservative and the childless people I know are liberal. Also, the people who tend to object most to a change in how they live, necessary due to there being too many people, are conservative.

It's not that we couldn't live sustainably, it's that convincing seven billion people to voluntarily undertake actions that will substantially lower their standards of living to solve a problem that won't affect them in an obvious way is just not gonna happen.

That would require the rich to give up money and power to make lives of the poor better. Not going to happen.

When we are beyond the tipping point, will these idiots shut up?

When we get past the tipping point people like this are going to be mad at scientists for not telling them that THEY were going to be affected.

No we're not. 40 billion is never going to happen. Heck, 10 billion is never going to happen. By the end of this century we'll be dropping our numbers at about 2% a year, and 200 years from now Earth will be a very pleasant place to live.

Citation please. I'd love to believe that, but can't without proof.

I have the answer: Everyone who thinks the Earth is overpopulated should kill themselves. Problem solved!

Because if no-one believed it, it wouldn't be true right?

I got redlit on an article about north Carolina making it illegal to use climate models that predicted devastating sea level rises in the next 100 years. Said it would put huge economic pressure on low lying areas to incorporate such predictions so therefore such predictions must be made illegal.

And if you make knowledge illegal, that won't be true either!

Yet the left will never talk about the real cause of the problem: over-population in third world. That would be racist.

The article talks about energy and resource use. An individual in a first world country uses 40X the resources of an individual in a third world country. Thus it is first worlders what need to control their population growth.

Besides some retards who tried to recreate suburban America in the middle of SouthEast US desert, The US has very little threat of drying up the water basins. The water you use is treated, filtered, and put back into the local biosphere where it begins again. Not to mention that 90% of water is used in agriculture and industry. We can literally do nothing and have no threat of water shortages.

I'm betting you don't live in the south west. The water use politics there are fierce

Take care of your patch and I'll take care of mine. Meanwhile, chill. You'll pull something letting Boneheads stampede you like this.

And what do you do when the effects of someone not taking care of their patch affect you instead of them? the world is an interconnected system. We have villages falling into the sea due to permafrost thaw that the villagers are not responsible for. Meanwhile the people who ARE responsible are denying that there is a problem because THEY don't see any consequences.

nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

Would you really want to stand so close to that many smelly foreigners?

NotARocketScientist: StoneColdAtheist: No we're not. 40 billion is never going to happen. Heck, 10 billion is never going to happen. By the end of this century we'll be dropping our numbers at about 2% a year, and 200 years from now Earth will be a very pleasant place to live.

Citation please. I'd love to believe that, but can't without proof.

Start by thinking about the implications of the dramatically lower birth rates in coming decades shown in this graph...



...then read the UN's long-range population report: Link.

That report looks at several population scenarios between now and the year 2300:

1. The high-growth scenario (Malthus), where the population explodes by tens of billions (they basically conclude that it can't happen).

2. A medium growth scenario that looks at social trends and presumes extended human lifespans (we stabilize at about 9 billion).

3. A population reversal where social trends are extrapolated and population begins to drop in about 75 years. By 2200 we'll be down to about half our current population. By 2300 Earth's population will be down to about 2.5 billion.

chuckufarlie: Kumana Wanalaia: chuckufarlie: When we are beyond the tipping point, will these idiots shut up?

I'm sorry that you feel threatened by the people who are trying to stop your masters and useful fools like yourself from causing a catastrophe.

Also, your mother dresses you funny.

wow, take an English Class. YOU'RE, not YOUR. And with that I see no need to deal with an idiot.


wat

chuckufarlie: Tinton: Nuke Africa. Let the fallout destroy Asia. Problem solved, 3-4 billion darkies eliminated.

your racism is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge concerning global wind patterns.


Racism?

Your user name is fark you Charlie

olddinosaur: It takes 2.11 children per family to sustain population, and most of Europe is well below that figure, averaging 1.3 to 1.9 children, and 1.6 overall. The population of Japan is declining.

However, the population of Europe is growing rapidly, mainly becaiuse of immigration from Moslem countries.

The United States is growing because of immigration as well, mainly from Mexico and other Latin nations; however, the population in third world countries is soaring.

That is where your problem lies: not too many people; too many people with too few resources.


Love to see citations for any claims here

intelligent comment below: chuckufarlie: Tinton: Nuke Africa. Let the fallout destroy Asia. Problem solved, 3-4 billion darkies eliminated.

your racism is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge concerning global wind patterns.


Racism?

Your user name is fark you Charlie

Tinton: chuckufarlie, you call me racist as if its derogatory. I take pride in it. You'd have to be insane to live in this world with so much competition, and not want your people to succeed. If you care that much about how "minorities" (they're a global majority, minority my ass) are disenfrancised, I suggest you off yourself, since that'll help them more than any kind of aid will. And yes, we're all human, we're all roughly the same. To me though, looks matter. I don't find women outside my race to be attractive. That means I place an emphasis on race/etc. If I were the last white man on earth I just wouldn't fark anyone, that'd be it.

So...you're gay then?

Because if you were the last white man on Earth you wouldn't fark anyone, then that would mean that you could be the last white man on an Earth populated entirely by white women (excepting yourself), and you wouldn't fark any of them. Which implies you're gay?

No, wait, wait, I'm overthinking this. There is a much more obvious explanation for this bizarre comment: You're farking retarded.

/why is that people who take pride in their race are never the people who make their race proud?

I only read about 50 comments, so somebody may have already said this...

Go read Cradle to Cradle.

It's clear that there are an awful lot of tree-huggers here. Guessing, also very young tree-huggers. Because we've been through the "sky is falling" bit for decade after decade, now, and it's all been cultist moonshine.

We were told the Earth was running out of oil in the 1970s. Naw, just politicians messing around.

We were told that the Earth would be overpopulated and out of resources by 1999, with riots in the cities and people eating Soylent Green. Naw, just rabid hysterics from an environmentalist attention whore.

This sort of nonsense goes back centuries. But anyone who's not a kid any more has seen it happen themselves, in person. You shouldn't fall for this sort of drivel.

Tommy Moo: pjc51: Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.

What do you mean finally? This has been part of the debate since day one - in fact before then, as there have been many other "crises" prior to climate change where population control has been proposed as a solution. Merchants of Despair (pops) by Robert Zubrin includes an overview of just how well it's worked in the past. The problem is that nobody has ever implemented anything which hasn't been massively inhumane in some way, with the exception of the one way which is known to work: improving living standards so people don't want to have kids.

I wouldn't call a simple plan to phase out dependent child tax credits while forcing people to pay tuition for public schools beginning with their third child "massively inhumane."

I'd imagine that many people wouldn't agree with you there, given you're in effect denying children access to education based on their parents' choices.