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(BBC-US)   Is the Earth being pushed to its breaking point by us humans? Short answer: YES. Long answer: YES, but we still can do something about it   (bbc.com) divider line 212
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NFA [TotalFark]
2012-06-16 08:23:01 AM  
NO you don't understand. GOD said to keep having children until every resource on the planet is consumed and mass famine and endless conflict result. It's GOD's way people don't you understand???

When GOD says "good stewardship" he really means removing all regulation from corporations so that they can destroy the environment for profit. It means to take from the poor and give to the rich without conscience.
 
2012-06-16 09:13:22 AM  
Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.
 
2012-06-16 09:30:53 AM  
It's unlikely we either haven't hit a breaking point or can avoid hitting one based on current population and resource use.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-16 11:45:40 AM  
Forget Earth. Shareholder value is what matters.
 
2012-06-16 12:53:16 PM  

nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.


Wouldn't that cause the island to tip over?
 
2012-06-16 01:23:49 PM  
If by "do something" you mean "vehemently deny there's a problem" and "even if there would be a problem we're sure it's nothing that God won't take care of" then sure. Otherwise, lolgoodluckwiththat
 
2012-06-16 01:31:04 PM  

GAT_00: It's unlikely we either haven't hit a breaking point or can avoid hitting one based on current population and resource use.


"breaking point" should not be mistaken as a point of no return. It mostly means we are past the point of no correction. A "correction" is coming. Whether it's famine, disease, war, the human population will be reduced to a manageable level. Hopefully we don't completely fark up the rest of the planet in the process.
 
2012-06-16 01:55:28 PM  

Happy Hours: nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

Wouldn't that cause the island to tip over?


Rhode Island is neither a road, nor an island.
 
2012-06-16 01:57:30 PM  

NFA: NO you don't understand. GOD said to keep having children until every resource on the planet is consumed and mass famine and endless conflict result. It's GOD's way people don't you understand???

When GOD says "good stewardship" he really means removing all regulation from corporations so that they can destroy the environment for profit. It means to take from the poor and give to the rich without conscience.


You'd think a deity named after the word for "deity" wouldn't have to shout, frankly.

It's like naming your kid Homo.
 
2012-06-16 01:57:58 PM  
The planet is overpopulated. But it won't become apparent to 95% of the population until it's way too late.
 
2012-06-16 01:58:37 PM  
This is why a direct asteroid hit might be therapeutic. But seriously, what's all this "Earth being pushed to its breaking point by us humans?" Earth existed billions of years before humans emerged. Earth will exist after humans finally manage to eradicate itself as a life form.
 
2012-06-16 01:59:51 PM  
There will come soft rains

Appears to be jerkoff material for some
 
2012-06-16 02:00:19 PM  
The US as a whole will probably need Miami to start actually going beneath the waves for good, and the realization that you can't very well levee the entire Florida peninsula, to go 'Hey, maybe we ought to do something about this and stop waiting for China to take the lead on it'. And even then people will biatch that they'd be ruining the view from the hotel rooms right up until those hotels become uninhabitable.
 
2012-06-16 02:03:17 PM  
All climate scientists should immediately kill themselves to save the planet.
 
2012-06-16 02:03:45 PM  
It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.
 
2012-06-16 02:03:46 PM  

nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.


I know you're being facetious, but whenever someone says this it pisses me off. I usually say back "You could fit a million seeds in a square meter, doesn't mean they'll all grow"
 
2012-06-16 02:04:16 PM  
FTA :If there's one thing I hope this column achieves, it's illustrating just how pivotal a point this is in human history

Just because the writer, you, me, happen to exist at this particular point in human history, does not make this point in history any more pivotal than any other.

We want to think it does, but it doesnt. We are dust, we are ants, we are less than ants.

If anything, the Earth will break us and chug right along, long after we are extinct.
 
2012-06-16 02:04:40 PM  
Framing the discussion as the End of the World doesn't help. We're staring at very real problems that will probably cause a lot of people to suffer slow, horrible deaths and cost everyone else vast sums of money and effort to adapt to but it literally isn't the End of the World and this "we're doomed!" claptrap isn't productive.
 
2012-06-16 02:06:16 PM  

Deep Contact: All climate scientists should immediately kill themselves to save the planet.


Any person who is able, through his or her work, to convince other people to have fewer children is a net benefit to the ecosystem, the environment, the economy, and society at large. I believe what you meant to say is that the Duggars should immediately kill themselves to save the planet.
 
2012-06-16 02:06:47 PM  
No, Earth will be just fine. Yes, we're clogging up the machinery, but eventually we'll be scratched off the face of the planet much in the same manner as a dog kicking off fleas--and the planet will be chugging along full steam within a millennium
 
2012-06-16 02:07:14 PM  

FarkinHostile: Happy Hours: nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

Wouldn't that cause the island to tip over?

Rhode Island is neither a road, nor an island.


I think he's referring to this: Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) is afraid that the U.S. Territory of Guam is going to "tip over and capsize" due to overpopulation.
 
2012-06-16 02:11:14 PM  

MAYORBOB: This is why a direct asteroid hit might be therapeutic. But seriously, what's all this "Earth being pushed to its breaking point by us humans?" Earth existed billions of years before humans emerged. Earth will exist after humans finally manage to eradicate itself as a life form.


Scientists need to change the way they describe the problem so that even the biggest brain-dead zombie's butthole would tighten with fear. It's not Earth that isn't going to exist being the problem. It's the ability of the human population to extract the resources needed to continue to live on the planet that is in trouble.

It's not "global-warming" or "climate change." It's "irreversible sea-rise and inability to produce food."
 
2012-06-16 02:11:18 PM  
mimg.ugo.com

WE'RE DOOMED! DOOOOOMMMEED!!!
 
2012-06-16 02:11:40 PM  
Booga Booga
www.sciencephoto.com
 
2012-06-16 02:11:55 PM  

generallyso: Framing the discussion as the End of the World doesn't help. We're staring at very real problems that will probably cause a lot of people to suffer slow, horrible deaths and cost everyone else vast sums of money and effort to adapt to but it literally isn't the End of the World and this "we're doomed!" claptrap isn't productive.


When you've got multiple sovereign nations about to cease to exist, what the hell else are you able to frame it as? We've spent so long sitting on our asses, doing jack shiat and letting people deny that a problem even exists while things get worse and worse and worse that you really have no choice remaining but to say 'either get off your ass and do something RIGHT THE FARK NOW or we're not going to be able to help save you by the time you DO feel like doing something'.
 
2012-06-16 02:12:11 PM  
We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these farking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the farking planet?

I'm getting tired of that shiat. Tired of that shiat. I'm tired of farking Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shiat about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are farked. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your shiat, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...asshole.

So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that's begun. Don't you think that's already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet? How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let's see... Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh...viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

Well, that's a poetic note. And it's a start. And I can dream, can't I? See I don't worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron...whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward, it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while.
 
2012-06-16 02:12:12 PM  
FTFH: "Is the Earth being pushed to its breaking point by us humans? Short answer: YESNO. Long answer: YESNO, but we still can do something about it should take better care of the only home we'll ever have"

There...FTFY, subs.

Oh, and the BBC never met an environmental catastrophe they didn't like.
 
2012-06-16 02:12:44 PM  

Gosling: The US as a whole will probably need Miami to start actually going beneath the waves for good, and the realization that you can't very well levee the entire Florida peninsula, to go 'Hey, maybe we ought to do something about this and stop waiting for China to take the lead on it'. And even then people will biatch that they'd be ruining the view from the hotel rooms right up until those hotels become uninhabitable.


Showing off the silver lining won't change anyone's minds.
 
2012-06-16 02:13:00 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

I know you're being facetious, but whenever someone says this it pisses me off. I usually say back "You could fit a million seeds in a square meter, doesn't mean they'll all grow"


So people in Rhode Island are short?
 
2012-06-16 02:13:48 PM  
Real Answer: "No. That would undercut profits."
 
2012-06-16 02:14:11 PM  
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2012-06-16 02:14:58 PM  

Deep Contact: All climate scientists should immediately kill themselves to save the planet.


And we have a winner.
 
2012-06-16 02:16:06 PM  

Tommy Moo: It is such a relief that people are finally talking about human overpopulation as part of the climate conversation. For years I was screaming about how stupid it was to focus on lowering per capita carbon emissions by 10% while our population increased by 15% over the same time span. Everyone called me a Nazi and said that I was advocating eugenics (I wasn't) or the extinction of the human race (again, stupid). For some reason liberals love to drone on about recycling and driving hybrid cars and other worthless gestures, but don't want to touch the politically incorrect subject of "Maybe you people shouldn't be having six f**king kids." I could spend the rest of my life driving a stretch limo Hummer and throwing all of my recyclables in the garbage and I have already done far more for the environment than any person who adds even one more stupid resource-to-waste conversion machine to this planet.


Big ol' this.
It's all about ego. Someone with 3 kids produces more waste than I could in 4 lifetimes.
 
2012-06-16 02:16:57 PM  
It's not that we couldn't live sustainably, it's that convincing seven billion people to voluntarily undertake actions that will substantially lower their standards of living to solve a problem that won't affect them in an obvious way is just not gonna happen.

I mean, it's the Tragedy of the Commons writ globally. No matter how bad pollution (for example) gets, it's never in your interest to stop polluting; the amount of effort and expense it takes doesn't justify the minuscule reduction you see in the total level of pollution from ceasing just your pollution.
 
2012-06-16 02:17:06 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: It's "irreversible sea-rise and inability to produce food."


So if we continue to do nothing a) more land becomes available under the existing ice, and b) less food means fewer people. Sounds like a self-correcting win-win.

With the melting ice, the glass is half full and getting fuller.
 
2012-06-16 02:17:12 PM  

Grobbley: Carlin


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We miss you George
 
2012-06-16 02:18:07 PM  

dosboot: Booga Booga
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Haha! That's hilarious. You're totally right to bring up Malthus as an example that is totally misinterpreted by most people. I do think you should have mentioned that Malthusian factors are currently the number one way people are able to predict outbreaks of war and ethnic conflict. Right now your post just makes you look like one of those people that totally misinterpret what the man said.
 
2012-06-16 02:18:11 PM  
The wars for resources will kill billions, which will solve the problem as we go along. If you don't think that's how it will play out you're amazingly naive.
 
2012-06-16 02:19:13 PM  
When we are beyond the tipping point, will these idiots shut up?
 
2012-06-16 02:19:38 PM  

FarkinHostile: Happy Hours: nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

Wouldn't that cause the island to tip over?

Rhode Island is neither a road, nor an island.


But it is a rhode.
 
2012-06-16 02:20:24 PM  
Sounds like a self-correcting problem.
 
2012-06-16 02:21:05 PM  

aevert: FarkinHostile: Happy Hours: nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

Wouldn't that cause the island to tip over?

Rhode Island is neither a road, nor an island.

But it is a rhode.


and it has some islands.
 
2012-06-16 02:21:06 PM  

RibbyK: So if we continue to do nothing a) more land becomes available under the existing ice, and b) less food means fewer people. Sounds like a self-correcting win-win.

With the melting ice, the glass is half full and getting fuller.


Yay! Someone learned the concept of Carrying Capacity!
 
2012-06-16 02:21:25 PM  
powdalounge.com

There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is?

/hotlinked
 
2012-06-16 02:21:33 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: No, Earth will be just fine. Yes, we're clogging up the machinery, but eventually we'll be scratched off the face of the planet much in the same manner as a dog kicking off fleas--and the planet will be chugging along full steam within a millennium


you realize that it takes millions of years to recover from a mass extinction.... and that humans are directly causing one right now.... and that your expressed viewpoint is a piss poor excuse for humans to act how they are right now...

/just making sure you knew... you probably do.
 
2012-06-16 02:21:51 PM  
Short answer: YES. Long answer: AWESOME!
 
2012-06-16 02:22:01 PM  
If each of us killed just two people, the problem would be solved.
 
2012-06-16 02:22:11 PM  
Buckminister Fuller calculated that the world can comfortably sustain a human population of 40 billion.

Mind you, we'll have to cultivate everything and there would be no wild spaces left, but we're not even close to being there yet. We just have to get better organized, and come together as a planet to forge a new era of peaceful cohabitation with each other, under the guidance of wise leaders and sound resource management.

...

fark, we're doomed.
 
2012-06-16 02:22:12 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: nekom: Pshaw. The entire population of the world could stand up next to each other in Rhode Island. Therefore we're fine.

I know you're being facetious, but whenever someone says this it pisses me off. I usually say back "You could fit a million seeds in a square meter, doesn't mean they'll all grow"


you missed the point, huh?!?
 
2012-06-16 02:22:20 PM  

swahnhennessy: Real Answer: "No. That would undercut profits."


Which leads to pretty much the only other thing you could possibly say: 'No. you know what? No. You waited too long. Now it's too late. Now there's nothing we can do. [region] is going to cease to exist by [year] and there's nothing that can be done to save it now. Everyone living in [region], consider your homes effectively worthless. I wouldn't buy your house with your money because I don't want to die. You don't want to be around when that next hurricane hits, because you no longer have any guarantees that the water will recede again. Ever.'

Basically, if you can't beat the developers, nuke the property values.
 
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