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2012-06-16 12:44:32 PM
I misread that as "cable channels with similar audiences", and thought "well hell, they all air the same reality crap".
 
2012-06-16 01:06:38 PM
I watch all their stuff on Hulu now, anyway, so this works for me as well.
 
2012-06-16 04:29:40 PM
meh, i wait until the seasons are over and then I get my sis to download them on dvd, then 7 months later i buy the official dvd
 
2012-06-16 04:39:27 PM
Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.
 
2012-06-16 04:50:33 PM
Don't know if this is good or bad, but I found this site Link that links to all the MST3k episodes on Youtube. Its all I do now.

I wish MST3K could monetize this so they can make money when people watch. I mean there are still ads that Youtube puts in the vids, but I'm sure Joel and Mike and the bots don't get any money for this.
 
2012-06-16 04:59:29 PM

SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.


It got to where I'd rather download Mad Men w/o commercials than have to fast-forward my DVR every 10 minutes.
 
2012-06-16 05:34:54 PM

SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.


If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.
 
2012-06-16 05:36:45 PM
So Community still has a chance?
 
2012-06-16 05:39:48 PM

rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.


Valve and Steam wave hello.
 
2012-06-16 05:53:24 PM

Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.


Terrible analogy. Steam didn't change the model, just the platform. Instead of buying discs, people downloaded. Nothing else changed. The entire system of television is based on bundling and the diffusion of risk. If you get rid of those, the entire thing will collapse.
 
2012-06-16 05:58:11 PM

SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.


Oh, please. Torrent all you want. But the *sheer* majority of Americans don't torrent, don't know how, and never will even know such a thing exists.

I've torrented stuff that was available nowhere else (like the Beatles "Let it Be" on DVD). Its a rather frustrating process as compared to DVR'ing something or looking something up on You Tube.

I mean, TV is often a passive thing for me. I don't plan it in advance, and spend hours waiting for a download, buring a DVD (or many DVDs).

Torrenting is not going to kill TV. I believe it IS a crime, but I don't believe the damages people are and will claim.
 
2012-06-16 06:02:37 PM
I'm not sure it's because of the earlier Roku unit I purchased or that I beat some sign-up time limit but I can get YouTube on my Roku unit.

AND I LOVE IT!!1!

Watching guys DIY everything under the sun on my big TV is fun. Roku plus YouTube is wonderful.
 
2012-06-16 06:17:58 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: I'm not sure it's because of the earlier Roku unit I purchased or that I beat some sign-up time limit but I can get YouTube on my Roku unit.

AND I LOVE IT!!1!

Watching guys DIY everything under the sun on my big TV is fun. Roku plus YouTube is wonderful.


Now if only DirecTV wouldn't be the one dick that doesn't allow HBOGo through my Roku.
 
2012-06-16 06:21:54 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: I'm not sure it's because of the earlier Roku unit I purchased or that I beat some sign-up time limit but I can get YouTube on my Roku unit.

AND I LOVE IT!!1!

Watching guys DIY everything under the sun on my big TV is fun. Roku plus YouTube is wonderful.


Fark yeah. I get You Tube on my DVD player now. Spend pretty much all night watching old concerts. Its amazing how many full concerts are available on You Tube now as a single video.
 
2012-06-16 06:24:54 PM
The answer to bringing television up to date is pretty simple and won't happen. The answer is tablets. Your tablet is your "cable box" and "remote" which streams the feed to your TV. The tablet would also display useful info about the show and channel you are watching, or you could also pull up what you are watching full screen and walk away from the TV.

/Don't forget the external hard hooked up to the network for a capable DVR.
//Also, give me a full back catalog of episodes.
///Actually screw it, I'll just keep using torrents and a DLNA server.
 
2012-06-16 06:41:59 PM

TheNameIs_Horace: Don't know if this is good or bad, but I found this site Link that links to all the MST3k episodes on Youtube. Its all I do now.

I wish MST3K could monetize this so they can make money when people watch. I mean there are still ads that Youtube puts in the vids, but I'm sure Joel and Mike and the bots don't get any money for this.


You do realize the robots aren't real? It's just a show. You should really just relax.
 
2012-06-16 07:10:40 PM

rugman11: Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.

Terrible analogy. Steam didn't change the model, just the platform. Instead of buying discs, people downloaded. Nothing else changed. The entire system of television is based on bundling and the diffusion of risk. If you get rid of those, the entire thing will collapse.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2012-06-16 07:28:54 PM

TheNyquilKid: elevision up to date is pretty simple and won't happen. The answer is tablets. Your tablet is your "cable box" and "remote" which streams the feed to your TV. The tablet would also display useful info about the show and channel you are watching, or you could also pull up what you are watching full screen and walk away from the TV.

/Don't forget the external hard hooked up to the network for a capable DVR.
//Also, give me a full back catalog of episodes.
///Actually screw it, I'll just keep using torrents and a DLNA server.


I can already do all this with my cable provider (except the back catalog because they don't own that content). Oh, wait, you meant you wanted to do that without having to pay for it. Then, yeah, torrents are probably best for you.
 
2012-06-16 07:31:33 PM

TheNameIs_Horace: Don't know if this is good or bad, but I found this site Link that links to all the MST3k episodes on Youtube. Its all I do now.

I wish MST3K could monetize this so they can make money when people watch. I mean there are still ads that Youtube puts in the vids, but I'm sure Joel and Mike and the bots don't get any money for this.

Oh. My. God.


thank you
 
2012-06-16 07:44:16 PM
This is relevant to Al Gore, Keith Olbermann's interests......

//Watch out, Chris Crocker. Keith's comin' for ya.
 
2012-06-16 07:49:50 PM

TheNameIs_Horace: I wish MST3K could monetize this so they can make money when people watch. I mean there are still ads that Youtube puts in the vids, but I'm sure Joel and Mike and the bots don't get any money for this.


The issues with MST3K is that there are (usually) other copyright holders involved, and they have to sign off on releases in new formats. The problem is that MST3K changed the market for what were thought to be worthless films, so sometimes when they go back to the rights holders they're told they now want more money than the film is worth for the DVD release. Other times, the owners are pissed that their work was made fun of(!), and sometimes they can't be found.

On the upside, as they get permission to put movies out on DVD, they've also been making them available on Netflix streaming.
 
2012-06-16 07:52:50 PM

hurdboy: //Watch out, Chris Crocker. Keith's comin' for ya.


Uh, have you seen Chris recently? He's cleaned up pretty well:

userserve-ak.last.fm

/he and his boyfriend have a Tumblr account that's NSFW.
 
2012-06-16 08:33:04 PM

downstairs: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

Oh, please. Torrent all you want. But the *sheer* majority of Americans don't torrent, don't know how, and never will even know such a thing exists.

I've torrented stuff that was available nowhere else (like the Beatles "Let it Be" on DVD). Its a rather frustrating process as compared to DVR'ing something or looking something up on You Tube.

I mean, TV is often a passive thing for me. I don't plan it in advance, and spend hours waiting for a download, buring a DVD (or many DVDs).

Torrenting is not going to kill TV. I believe it IS a crime, but I don't believe the damages people are and will claim.


Jeez, when was the last time you torrented anything? Check TPB 1 hour after airtime, pick the one with 10k+ seeds, download it in about 15 minutes, watch on whatever device you have hooked up to your tv over wifi or just throw it on a flashdrive and plug it into your box or even right into some tvs. The time it takes to torrent and watch a show is less time than it takes to watch a show with the commercials.
 
2012-06-16 08:41:54 PM

Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.


iTunes also sends its regards.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:49 PM

King Something: Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.

iTunes also sends its regards.


iTunes is actually the perfect example of why the television industry is being so hesitant with online distribution. The recording industry signed on with iTunes because they believed it would allow them to monetize music pirates. What ultimately happened is that people's buying habits changed. Album sales used to be 90% of the recording industry's income. That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales. iTunes was a disaster for the recording industry.

That's what the TV people are worried about. The television industry is based entirely on the diffusion of risk between creators, production companies, networks, cable companies, and advertisers. In order to get what the vocal minority wants, one of those entities will have to step outside the current system and take on the risk that's now being spread among everybody. That's a tough thing to do. And right now, TV piracy has a much smaller impact on the TV industry than it did on the music industry, so there's no real desire to monetize the pirates.
 
2012-06-16 09:32:21 PM
Thanks old people for making this change so slow. I can just see the meetings,

"This new fangled technology crap is scary, why can't we just make money the way we used to?"
"Well, the internet has had a profound impact on the way people consume media."
"Any chance this internet fad will go away?"
"I doubt it."
"Can we sue the internet? I'd feel more comfortable if we could just make thing go back the way they were."
 
2012-06-16 09:40:50 PM

browntimmy: Thanks old people for making this change so slow. I can just see the meetings,

"This new fangled technology crap is scary, why can't we just make money the way we used to?"
"Well, the internet has had a profound impact on the way people consume media."
"Any chance this internet fad will go away?"
"I doubt it."
"Can we sue the internet? I'd feel more comfortable if we could just make thing go back the way they were."


To be fair, most people and businesses will be pissed when their livelihoods/ways of doing business are threatened solely because others are willing to break the law.
 
2012-06-16 09:40:53 PM

browntimmy: Thanks old people for making this change so slow. I can just see the meetings,

"This new fangled technology crap is scary, why can't we just make money the way we used to?"
"Well, the internet has had a profound impact on the way people consume media."
"Any chance this internet fad will go away?"
"I doubt it."
"Can we sue the internet? I'd feel more comfortable if we could just make thing go back the way they were."


All someone has to do is generate content. Quality content. The trouble with viral videos is they only go viral once. The audience wants more but the creator say "B..b..b..but my dog doesn't want to in the washing machine anymore."
 
2012-06-16 09:42:25 PM

rugman11: King Something: Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.

iTunes also sends its regards.

iTunes is actually the perfect example of why the television industry is being so hesitant with online distribution. The recording industry signed on with iTunes because they believed it would allow them to monetize music pirates. What ultimately happened is that people's buying habits changed. Album sales used to be 90% of the recording industry's income. That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales. iTunes was a disaster for the recording industry.

That's what the TV people are worried about. The television industry is based entirely on the diffusion of risk between creators, production companies, networks, cable companies, and advertisers. In order to get what the vocal minority wants, one of those entities will have to step outside the current system and take on the risk that's now being spread among everybody. That's a tough thing to do. And right now, TV piracy has a much smaller impact on the TV industry than it did on the music industry, so there's no real desire to monetize the pirates.


This. This right here.
 
2012-06-17 12:12:31 AM

rugman11: King Something: Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.

iTunes also sends its regards.

iTunes is actually the perfect example of why the television industry is being so hesitant with online distribution. The recording industry signed on with iTunes because they believed it would allow them to monetize music pirates. What ultimately happened is that people's buying habits changed. Album sales used to be 90% of the recording industry's income. That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales. iTunes was a disaster for the recording industry.

That's what the TV people are worried about. The television industry is based entirely on the diffusion of risk between creators, production companies, networks, cable companies, and advertisers. In order to get what the vocal minority wants, one of those entities will have to step outside the current system and take on the risk that's now being spread among everybody. That's a tough thing to do. And right now, TV piracy has a much smaller impact on the TV industry than it did on the music industry, so there's no real desire to monetize the pirates.


Not to mention that the TV industry has changed. People tend to pirate good shows, things with a cohesive narrative at least. Things that they might buy on DVD later and watch a few times over the years. Nobody pirates American Idol, nobody pirates Real Housewives of whatever, and nobody buys those on DVD. I bet most people dont even DVR them. But they are cheap as hell to make, so its a lot more profitable in the initial run. If people start having to actually decide what they want to watch, instead of just whatevers on, even the philistines will gravitate towards better TV instead of trashy people sitting around yelling at eachother for an hour. But with the current model, one of those shows pays for the other.

I mean, does anyone even watch sitcoms on netflix? Everyone i know who has it generally watches stuff with at least some story arc.
 
2012-06-17 12:18:01 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: browntimmy: Thanks old people for making this change so slow. I can just see the meetings,

"This new fangled technology crap is scary, why can't we just make money the way we used to?"
"Well, the internet has had a profound impact on the way people consume media."
"Any chance this internet fad will go away?"
"I doubt it."
"Can we sue the internet? I'd feel more comfortable if we could just make thing go back the way they were."

All someone has to do is generate content. Quality content. The trouble with viral videos is they only go viral once. The audience wants more but the creator say "B..b..b..but my dog doesn't want to in the washing machine anymore."


That's the thing. This article, which is "according to YouTube President" BTW, is talking about monetizing content. This is not music videos and cool DIY content and funny puppy tricks, but actual programming with an a la carte subscription model.
The problem for me is not that niche cable company's content is shifting media, but that it will continue to be crap. Because no matter the media, execs will still see what is working for others, what maximizes margins, and center-shift to that content. Sci-Fi will still become SyFy, CourtTV will still show car chases, A&E will still sign "Dog the Bounty Hunter", and the Learning Channel will stream wrestling.
Because no matter how dedicated your niche audience, once there's money to be made, someone will be making more and it will be copied and then everyone loses.
Torrent isn't the "competition" for quality programming and niche cable COs getting an audience, it's themselves.
 
2012-06-17 12:35:56 AM
The internet of the future will look like what the cell phones now with apps to that charge for access. Cable companies will look into controlling the apps by offering package app deals and then the internet will start to look like cable except with viewers might have some control over what they watch.
 
2012-06-17 12:43:49 AM

rugman11: Amnestic: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Valve and Steam wave hello.

Terrible analogy. Steam didn't change the model, just the platform. Instead of buying discs, people downloaded. Nothing else changed. The entire system of television is based on bundling and the diffusion of risk. If you get rid of those, the entire thing will collapse.


Hat Fortress 2 disagrees.

/Hat Fortress 2 is a humorous reference to the popular game Team Fortress 2
//To combat the free Chinese version of the game, Valve made Team Fortress 2 free to play
///You can get a lot of hats in TF2, but only if you buy the game
////People like hats, so they buy the game
//Selling items in free to play games is changing the model
 
2012-06-17 05:58:35 AM

rugman11: That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales.


Maybe the record industry should focus more on good artists that actually make solid albums instead of focusing on one hit wonders with huge turnover.
 
2012-06-17 09:45:26 AM

rugman11:
iTunes is actually the perfect example of why the television industry is being so hesitant with online distribution. The recording industry signed on with iTunes because they believed it would allow them to monetize music pirates. What ultimately happened is that people's buying habits changed. Album sales used to be 90% of the recording industry's income. That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales. iTunes was a disaster for the recording industry.


Part of the popularity of iTunes is that people's listening habits are changing, and downloads are meshing with that change. People don't sit in front of their record player and look at the liner notes anymore - they download the music on their iPod.

I'm unsure how TV works into this. You can't watch TV while jogging, or sitting at work.

One thing that amuses me is that various corporate execs are all "OMG they're downloading our product instead of buying the media!",

The product manufacturers say "Okay, how about this, our DVD player will also read WMV and Xvid encoded videos so you don't have to convert. And, hell, let's just put a USB port on the thing so you can watch right off of a thumb drive or a huge external hard drive. Not good enough? Okay, let's give this baby WiFI and it'll stream whatever from whichever..."
 
2012-06-17 10:00:34 AM

TheJoe03: rugman11: That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales.

Maybe the record industry should focus more on good artists that actually make solid albums instead of focusing on one hit wonders with huge turnover.


Who the fark is even listening to entire albums anymore? Publish songs on a song by song basis. Not a good song? Stop selling it by hiding it in an album.
 
2012-06-17 10:49:30 AM

Dracolich: TheJoe03: rugman11: That number is now 65%. And while single sales have skyrocketed, it's not near enough to recover the loss in album sales.

Maybe the record industry should focus more on good artists that actually make solid albums instead of focusing on one hit wonders with huge turnover.

Who the fark is even listening to entire albums anymore? Publish songs on a song by song basis. Not a good song? Stop selling it by hiding it in an album.


derp de derp derp

/led zep would like a word with you
 
2012-06-17 02:05:20 PM
Geek and Sundry is basically a tv channel online run by The Wheaton and Felicia Day, amoungst others. They have dark horse for motion comics, and random geek celebrities playing board games (look up the one with Colin Ferguson, its hillarious). Overall the channel has a schedule, good content, and room to grow.

I can totally see this working with other niches.
 
2012-06-17 05:22:27 PM

Expolaris: Geek and Sundry is basically a tv channel online run by The Wheaton and Felicia Day, amoungst others. They have dark horse for motion comics, and random geek celebrities playing board games (look up the one with Colin Ferguson, its hillarious). Overall the channel has a schedule, good content, and room to grow.

I can totally see this working with other niches.


This.
 
2012-06-17 07:15:53 PM

TheNameIs_Horace: I wish MST3K could monetize this so they can make money when people watch.


I'm not sure what the condition is of the royalties and what not for the Best Brains folks. I think there's only one person who is still technically in charge of the Best Brains IP. So, no matter what, Joel, Mike, etc aren't necessarily getting anything.

Besides, they couldn't license a lot of those films for commercial release or utilization due to the inability (either due to the pricing being too high to make it worth it, or the license holder being unavailable/unknown), and Shout Factory has been doing a lot better job of releasing new DVDs than Rhino had been doing.
 
2012-06-18 01:43:17 AM
Subby misspelled Fox
 
2012-06-18 05:53:39 AM

Dracolich: Who the fark is even listening to entire albums anymore? Publish songs on a song by song basis. Not a good song? Stop selling it by hiding it in an album.


It depends. Some albums are good to listen to because the artists want to make albums as a piece of work, if you like, a modern symphonic piece. Not exactly as blunt as a "concept album", but perhaps a mood they were in, or how they saw the world at the time. I can dip into an album like Achtung Baby or OK Computer, but they're really worth listening to the whole way through.

Manufactured pop is generally best bought as singles or greatest hits. They will produce 2 good tracks and a load of filler on an album.
 
2012-06-18 07:15:30 AM

Mister Peejay: One thing that amuses me is that various corporate execs are all "OMG they're downloading our product instead of buying the media!",

The product manufacturers say "Okay, how about this, our DVD player will also read WMV and Xvid encoded videos so you don't have to convert. And, hell, let's just put a USB port on the thing so you can watch right off of a thumb drive or a huge external hard drive. Not good enough? Okay, let's give this baby WiFI and it'll stream whatever from whichever..."


Always buy electronics from companies with no financial interests in media companies. They'll always make stuff as easy as possible for you to copy, because they don't care, and have to compete with other companies in the same boat.

A decade ago, everyone in the know avoided Sony DVD players in the UK because hacking the region wasn't easy. It required opening up the box and changing the chip. Cheap ass Chinese boxes or Toshiba boxes? No problem. Just find the remote code on the internet, enter it and off you go.

Look at Apple stuff - it's all about playing from iTunes, in iTunes formats. They don't want to make it easy for you to play ripped DVDs - they'd much rather you bought a movie from the iTunes store. My friend's little cheap and nasty Chinese box that costs half what an Apple TV costs plays every format you can think of.
 
2012-06-18 07:34:25 PM
Oddly enough, the DVD player that I bought several years ago (damned cheap, too) that plays WMV and XviD and DiVX and MP3 and has a USB port and will rip audio CDs to MP3 format onto a USB drive... was made by Phillips.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers/philips-dvp5990/9370

The only thing that sucks is that it doesn't use track data for filenames when it rips a CD. Doesn't matter too much, since I still don't have a USB-enabled stereo in my car.
 
2012-06-19 10:47:10 AM

rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.


Note that "free" isn't on the list of descriptors. There is absolutely no reason why the TV stations can't put up paid torrents of their stuff.
 
2012-06-19 11:00:23 AM
Came for correcting NBC to CNN.

To all the people blah blahing about diffusing risk, yeah, TV could NEVER survive on a show by show basis. I mean just look at movies. All the movie theaters went out of business years ago.

...Wait, what?
 
2012-06-19 08:35:43 PM

Bullseyed: rugman11: SuperT: Dear TV people, Torrents are still easier, best quality, and available immediately. That is your competition.

If you really believe that, then it's already over. No company can compete with another entity offering their products for free.

Note that "free" isn't on the list of descriptors. There is absolutely no reason why the TV stations can't put up paid torrents of their stuff.


TV stations don't really care about what the programming actually is, their business model is on getting people to watch advertisements, for which they get paid. The TV shows aren't the product, here.
 
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