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(The Detroit_News)   New plans unveiled for the bridge linking Detroit to Canada. Due to popular demand, it will be one way only   (detroitnews.com) divider line 45
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2012-06-16 10:32:15 AM
talk about a bridge to nowhere
 
2012-06-16 10:35:29 AM
I am surprised this went green. Not sure many people outside the area care. It is needed. The trucks make going over the bridge a traffic nightmare. But still, a local issue. This must just be an excuse for more Detroit bashing.

My grandpa worked on the first bridge. I almost feel like I should try and get a job on the new bridge just to keep the family trend going.
 
2012-06-16 10:36:57 AM
But that means you have to live in Canada.
 
2012-06-16 11:15:16 AM

RaiderFanMikeP: talk about a bridge to nowhere


Wait, which end is nowhere?
 
2012-06-16 11:19:46 AM
"... between the world's two biggest trade partners"

This will help keep a steady supply of cheezy poofs available for all you basement dwellers.

Interesting that the Republicans can't come with any real excuse to block the construction, but they are trying anyway.
 
2012-06-16 11:25:17 AM

natazha: "... between the world's two biggest trade partners"

This will help keep a steady supply of cheezy poofs available for all you basement dwellers.

Interesting that the Republicans can't come with any real excuse to block the construction, but they are trying anyway.


They don't want to take money from the intrepid Job Creator™ who owns the Ambassador Bridge. They apparently think that government has no business maintaining an international border crossing.
 
2012-06-16 11:31:49 AM

RaiderFanMikeP: talk about a bridge to nowhere


hey jackass they do hundreds of millions of dollars in trade every day at the windsor detroit border
 
2012-06-16 11:34:31 AM
In the grand scheme of Snyder's campaign, this move is the most contrary.
We're spending tax money we don't have (because someone cut taxes)
And -We're borrowing (Racking up MORE DEBT) from a foreign Nation to
pay for it because we can't afford it. (because someone cut taxes - and ironically cut them for the very people crying that we now "need" this crossing - business owners.) -Let those asshole pay for it if they need it so bad.. oh wait - that's why no one likes using the ambassador - the greedy assholes that own it don't like paying taxes and in fact - got a big ole tax break from the same Governor that won't let them expand their operations to keep up with demand.

Yup -

Give them all back their money - but when it comes time to spend it, look what they do, make the taxpayers foot the bill, and borrow the rest from a "Government" - not to mention an evil socialist Government that does the unthinkable - gives their people health care -GASP-.

If it was a Democrat in office doing this - every conserva-t-tard on the planet would be crying about government spending and more debt and everything else they could muster to whine about.
 
2012-06-16 11:43:16 AM

Drakuun: We're spending tax money we don't have (because someone cut taxes)
And -We're borrowing (Racking up MORE DEBT) from a foreign Nation


The article made it sound like the whole point of the deal was to avoid both of those things. Canada is paying the upfront costs and getting paid back with the tolls. Michigan is paying nothing.
 
2012-06-16 11:54:54 AM
Time for Matty Maroun to whip up his pet legislators into a frenzied response.
 
2012-06-16 12:27:43 PM
FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.
 
2012-06-16 12:40:52 PM

elk-tamer: Drakuun: We're spending tax money we don't have (because someone cut taxes)
And -We're borrowing (Racking up MORE DEBT) from a foreign Nation

The article made it sound like the whole point of the deal was to avoid both of those things. Canada is paying the upfront costs and getting paid back with the tolls. Michigan is paying nothing.


Yeah, if anything it sucks Michigan can't cover its end. This bridge is a guaranteed money maker with all the traffic that flows across. It also sucks previous corrupt farkers sold the Ambassador into private hands.

/the cheap Chinese steel they're using on it to keep costs down is also not all that cool
 
2012-06-16 12:41:39 PM

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.


QFT. I'm a die-hard Liberal who is very happy with Snyder for this.
 
2012-06-16 12:45:01 PM

Pop Goes The Weasel: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.

QFT. I'm a die-hard Liberal who is very happy with Snyder for this.


Also fark Moroun for his neglect of Michigan Central, to the point they might have to tear it down because it's beyond saving.
 
2012-06-16 12:48:15 PM

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.


I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway. The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact. I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.
 
2012-06-16 01:08:01 PM

ha-ha-guy: elk-tamer:

/the cheap Chinese steel they're using on it to keep costs down is also not all that cool


The Chinese steel rumour was just part of Moroun's campaign to stop the new bridge.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/iron-steel-for-new-winds o r-detroit-bridge-must-come-from-canada-or-us/article4264963/
 
2012-06-16 01:18:10 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.

I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway. The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact. I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.


I don't think most have a problem with him making money. The problem is he'd rather play politics and prevent competition from forming rather than letting the market decide. He's flooding the airwaves with messages making it seem like a public issue, but the only thing he really cares about is his money. It's just like when Comcast breaks out the misleading robocalls whenever net neutrality is discussed in Congress. It being in his best interests doesn't change it from being a dick move.

So here's another liberal who has no problem with Snyder on this particular issue.
 
2012-06-16 01:18:45 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.

I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway. The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact. I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.



Hmmm:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/detroit-bridge-company-gatew a y-project-matty-moroun-dan-stamper_n_1264014.html

Wayne County Judge Prentis Edwards ordered Matty Moroun, 84, and bridge company President Dan Stamper jailed for contempt in January for not finishing the project as ordered by him nearly two years earlier in February 2010.

....



The disputes stem from a 2004 agreement between the bridge company and Michigan transportation officials for a project to improve traffic connections from area highways to the bridge crossing. Parts of the construction were to be completed by the state and parts by the privately owned company.

State officials sued the bridge company, contending that it had failed to complete parts of the project, built some things in the wrong spots and added things that were not approved.


That would be one reason, his cheap ass improvements that he tried to offload onto the state.
 
2012-06-16 01:25:55 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.

I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway. The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact. I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.




I think people are upset at the idea of "I want to harm everyone else so that I can keep my personal profit". Call me crazy, but I think that the point of society (and life in general) is to try to improve life overall, rather than give a single person a monopoly and the power to kill competition and make life worse for everyone else.
By your argument, any electric or water utility should raise prices to exorbitant levels, and use the gigantic profits to keep a team of lawyers and politicians to prevent any competitor from entering the market. Please, live in your world: mail me a check for the amount extra that you SHOULD be paying for power and water, according to your beliefs. If you don't do it, you're a troll and should live under a bridge like trolls traditionally do. I'm sure Moroun would let you live under his - if you pay him enough rent.


Matty Moroun is a bad person - there is no argument about it. The world is better without him.
 
2012-06-16 01:31:23 PM

RaiderFanMikeP: talk about a bridge to nowhere


No it's not. Think of it as a bridge from Chicago to Toronto.
 
2012-06-16 01:53:28 PM

Chris45215: I think people are upset at the idea of "I want to harm everyone else so that I can keep my personal profit". Call me crazy, but I think that the point of society (and life in general) is to try to improve life overall, rather than give a single person a monopoly and the power to kill competition and make life worse for everyone else.
By your argument, any electric or water utility should raise prices to exorbitant levels, and use the gigantic profits to keep a team of lawyers and politicians to prevent any competitor from entering the market. Please, live in your world: mail me a check for the a ...


Yea, you're right. Not living in the state I only heard about him and his bridge through friends. I looked him up and yea, he is a terrible person. While I still think he has every right to charge whatever he wants to use his bridge, he doesn't have the right to prevent competition.
 
2012-06-16 02:23:24 PM

The_Philosopher_King: am surprised this went green. Not sure many people outside the area care. It is needed. The trucks make going over the bridge a traffic nightmare. But still, a local issue. This must just be an excuse for more Detroit bashing.


It isn't really a local issue. It is huge for any number of people involved in businesses that ship goods across the bridge, which is a lot. Even if it resulted in increased tolls, it would save a ton of money by moving traffic through more quickly. It may not be mainstream, but it is not just a local issue.
 
2012-06-16 02:53:29 PM
Snyder thanked Canada for fronting Michigan the money for its share of the costs, expenses that are to be repaid using bridge tolls.

So exactly where are the new taxes going to come from to repay Canada? Isn't Detroit basically broke right now? How will the citizens afford this?
 
2012-06-16 03:29:00 PM

HempHead: Snyder thanked Canada for fronting Michigan the money for its share of the costs, expenses that are to be repaid using bridge tolls.

So exactly where are the new taxes going to come from to repay Canada? Isn't Detroit basically broke right now? How will the citizens afford this?


*stares at user name*
*stares at stupid post*

Alright then, first question. Do you know what a bridge toll is? Secondly can you grasp that concept that Canada will get all the tolls associated with the crossing, instead of splitting them with America? Once Canada's investment is paid back to them, plus interest, the state of Michigan will get a share of the tolls.
 
2012-06-16 03:34:01 PM

HempHead: Snyder thanked Canada for fronting Michigan the money for its share of the costs, expenses that are to be repaid using bridge tolls.

So exactly where are the new taxes going to come from to repay Canada? Isn't Detroit basically broke right now? How will the citizens afford this?


The money to repay Canada is coming from bridge tolls which will only be collected by Canada. In essence Canada is paying for the entire thing, but because of that gets all tolls. Michigan pays for nothing, and gets nothing from the bridge except benefits in the form of increased ease of traffic across the world's busiest border crossing.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barricaded Gunman:
I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway. The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact. I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.


It isn't that he's trying to hold on to what he has, it's the bullying tactics he uses. A few years ago he barricaded City of Detroit property he thought could be sold to build anew bridge, he did this hoping that the City would be unable to fight his seizure and would just give it up.
 
2012-06-16 03:54:25 PM
To The Escape Zeppelin!: I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway.

It takes decades in part because self-interested f#ckers like Moroun fight any and all progress. And in addition to his bridge, Moroun owns numerous huge, historical properties in Detroit that he has allowed to go completely to sh#t for decades, in the hope that their value will increase when someone else comes along and un-f#cks the City of Detroit. He ties up everything in court as long as possible, knowing that he'll eventually lose but raking in as much money as he can in the meantime. He was a complete and total piece of sh#t before he even owned the bridge.



To The Escape Zeppelin!: The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact.

Nice straw man, but no one is "outraged" that he makes money owning a bridge. We're outraged because he's spent millions of dollars in bullsh#t legal challenges over the years to prevent the goverments of America and Canada from building another (desperately needed) bridge between the countries. He's holding the entire region hostage for his own financial benefit.



To The Escape Zeppelin!: I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.

No, you haven't. This fairly reeks of Fox News "some people say..." line of commentary. And no one has a problem paying a toll, they have a problem with waiting for hours at a time at the most important border crossing between two major countries, because allowing Canada to build a new bridge at their own expense would cut into the profits of a sh#tty, selfish old billionaire whose only interests are lining his own pockets.
 
2012-06-16 05:06:10 PM
It'll be nice to get all those dang commercials off tv at least. I dunno all the specifics on the bridges and i don't believe Michigan "won't pay a cent", but the wait times at the current bridges are insane.

/nexus fast pass was well worth the money
 
2012-06-16 05:34:33 PM

Pop Goes The Weasel: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: Republicans who control the House and Senate have been leery of a publicly owned bridge that could edge out Ambassador Bridge owner Matty Moroun and are skeptical of Snyder's claims the project won't cost Michigan a penny.

Matty Moroun is an evil, 85 year old toad of a man who's fought this bridge every step of the way, for the reason that his complete & total monopoly over this international border crossing brings him $60 million a year. The idea that another bridge would unfairly "edge out" Moroun's existing bridge is absurd, but owning a bagful of Republican lawmakers and tying up all progress in court has already allowed him to protect his monopoly for another decade, at the expense of everyone who has to wait in line, sometimes for hours, to cross his over-crowded bridge. The sooner this foul old creature dies, the better off this entire region will be.

QFT. I'm a die-hard Liberal who is very happy with Snyder for this.


Generally liberal here, voted for Snyder basically to put a businessman in office. Find myself disagreeing vehemently with most everything he's responsible so far, but I can't find any fault in this -- He got Canada to front the entire thing, add on top of that, that the US is going to match it in grants for other projects. Basically, we're going to employ 5000 people in the Bridge Construction, get $550 million for other highway repairs/construction, and have a total cost to the state of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The only person here that loses is Matty Moroun, and he's probably not even going to lose all that much. He might even make more, since people will have a faster overall route to where they are going, no matter which route they choose, there will probably be more of them choosing to do it. I know I haven't been to Canada in over a decade, just because of the hassle of the border. Then again, that's also amped up by the security concerns, and that I have not consented to get one of the "upgraded IDs", nor have I obtained a regular passport, because that's a pain in the ass too.

Well, hopefully the 300-or-so homes, 5 churches, and "dozens" of business are all unoccupied, that's kind of a big loss there. So, I guess those people lose out .. but those people would lose out, no matter who built it. And Moroun has wanted to build a second span for a long time as well.

Overall, this is a huge, huge win.
 
2012-06-16 08:05:58 PM

Mr_H: It'll be nice to get all those dang commercials off tv at least. I dunno all the specifics on the bridges and i don't believe Michigan "won't pay a cent", but the wait times at the current bridges are insane.

/nexus fast pass was well worth the money


As a Canadian, if we say Michigan wont pay a cent, then they won't pay a cent. Sheesh, if you can't trust Canada, who can you trust?
 
2012-06-16 08:22:07 PM

elk-tamer: Michigan is paying nothing.


We pay tolls. Tolls paid to Canada are tolls not being collected for who again?

"Costs MI nothing" - yeah, you might want to math that out again..
 
2012-06-16 08:28:32 PM

ekdikeo4: Well, hopefully the 300-or-so homes, 5 churches, and "dozens" of business are all unoccupied, that's kind of a big loss there. So, I guess those people lose out .. but those people would lose out, no matter who built it. And Moroun has wanted to build a second span for a long time as well.

Overall, this is a huge, huge win.


From the interviews I've seen with the people who are going to be displaced, most can't wait to be bought out. The Delray neighborhood is next to a cement plant and Zug Island, a large ironworks and coke plant (the coal kind), so it's not the greatest place to live.
 
2012-06-16 09:19:49 PM

Drakuun: elk-tamer: Michigan is paying nothing.

We pay tolls. Tolls paid to Canada are tolls not being collected for who again?

"Costs MI nothing" - yeah, you might want to math that out again..


God damn. Are you always this retarded?
 
2012-06-16 09:20:36 PM

Drakuun: elk-tamer: Michigan is paying nothing.

We pay tolls. Tolls paid to Canada are tolls not being collected for who again?

"Costs MI nothing" - yeah, you might want to math that out again..


It costs Michigan nothing. There is nothing else to it.

This is nothing more than a standard investment decision. If Michigan paid in a share of the expenditure, it would get a share of the revenues. It chose not to do so. They also face no financial risk if the plan were to fail for whatever reason. All Michigan (along with the US Federal government, and Detroit) is doing in this investment project is the regulation and legal issues.

Does it cost you anything if your neighbour opens a store in town and gets all the revenue? Nope. Each party made an investment decision. If the bridge wasn't there, Michigan wouldn't get anything from it. It isn't like Michigan gets anything from the Ambassador Bridge either, it is privately owned and the new bridge would be effectively the same thing, except for the owner being a Canadian government or Crown corporation instead of a private corporation.
 
2012-06-16 10:27:11 PM
Bridge from shiathole to Nowhere.
 
2012-06-16 11:10:04 PM
I live in Windsor. People are ho-hum about this whole thing. Sure it can get bad, but even at the worst I've seen it, you're still only looking at about 20 mins wait at either the bridge or the tunnel. That said, I think this will be good.

So the bridge is under its eternal construction on the US side, we've got the Windsor-Essex parkway that will tie up Huron Church (a 6-lane major road reduced to 1 lane on each side in some areas) for about 5 years, and now this.

Lovely. Remind me to win the lottery and work from home for the next decade.
 
2012-06-16 11:40:52 PM

sure haven't: People are ho-hum about this whole thing. Sure it can get bad, but even at the worst I've seen it, you're still only looking at about 20 mins wait at either the bridge or the tunnel.


I don't live in Windsor, but I worked for a moving company and we had drivers that used that bridge regularly.

It may not be that important for personal travel, but for commercial vehicle operators (they are what this whole thing is about) it is terrible. That 20 minute wait is rather expensive when regularly crossing the border.
Beyond that a big reason they support this proposal is the new location, that will provide much better highway access without going through the centre of Windsor saving more time in addition to the 20 minutes at the bridge.

I would guess that you will see a proportionately greater amount of commercial traffic switch to the new bridge.

Further traffic is increasing, which will cause longer waits, and the consensus seems to be that considerable growth will occur in the next decade or so making the new bridge even more important. Especially with the long lead time, this project has been in the works for the better part of a decade to get political approval and will still take years to complete even if they don't meet any political or technical hurdles.
 
2012-06-17 02:49:55 AM

dywed88: I would guess that you will see a proportionately greater amount of commercial traffic switch to the new bridge.


From what I've heard both Canada and America are planning on massive truck inspection terminals on their sides of the new bridge. Thus herding truck traffic over the new bridge and encouraging cars to use the old bridge or the tunnel.
 
2012-06-17 09:24:24 AM

The_Philosopher_King


This must just be an excuse for more Detroit bashing.


As if one were needed.

:-)
 
2012-06-17 09:55:08 AM

HempHead: Snyder thanked Canada for fronting Michigan the money for its share of the costs, expenses that are to be repaid using bridge tolls.

So exactly where are the new taxes going to come from to repay Canada? Isn't Detroit basically broke right now? How will the citizens afford this?


Reading comprehension wasn't your favorite subject on the standardized tests, was it?

Snyder thanked Canada for fronting Michigan the money for its share of the costs, expenses that are to be repaid using bridge tolls

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/repay
re·pay (r-p)
v. re·paid (-pd), re·pay·ing, re·pays
v.tr.
1. To pay back: repaid a debt.

2. To give back, either in return or in compensation: repay kindness with kindness.
3. To make a return or compensation for: a company that repays hard work with bonuses.
4. To make or do in return: repay a call.
v.intr.
To make repayment or requital.
 
2012-06-17 11:47:38 AM

Pop Goes The Weasel: HempHead: Snyder thanked Canada for fronting Michigan the money for its share of the costs, expenses that are to be repaid using bridge tolls.

So exactly where are the new taxes going to come from to repay Canada? Isn't Detroit basically broke right now? How will the citizens afford this?

The money to repay Canada is coming from bridge tolls which will only be collected by Canada. In essence Canada is paying for the entire thing, but because of that gets all tolls. Michigan pays for nothing, and gets nothing from the bridge except benefits in the form of increased ease of traffic across the world's busiest border crossing.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barricaded Gunman:
I really don't understand the hate for him. Opposing a new bridge is a dick move but is something that anyone in his position would do, and it takes decades to get government to get around to building new large bridges anyway. The man owns the bridge and charges toll on it and somehow people are outraged by that fact. I've heard people who want the government to take his bridge because it "isn't fair" that he makes money on it as if the tolls will magically go away.

It isn't that he's trying to hold on to what he has, it's the bullying tactics he uses. A few years ago he barricaded City of Detroit property he thought could be sold to build anew bridge, he did this hoping that the City would be unable to fight his seizure and would just give it up.


No...the world's busiest border crossing is the US/Mexico border crossing at San Ysidro, California. The US/Canada crossing in Detroit is the 10th busiest in the US.
 
2012-06-17 12:30:10 PM

dustman81: No...the world's busiest border crossing is the US/Mexico border crossing at San Ysidro, California. The US/Canada crossing in Detroit is the 10th busiest in the US.


He isn't wrong, just imprecise. In terms of trade volume the Ambassador Bridge is the busiest.

ha-ha-guy: From what I've heard both Canada and America are planning on massive truck inspection terminals on their sides of the new bridge. Thus herding truck traffic over the new bridge and encouraging cars to use the old bridge or the tunnel.


Just look at the name: New International Trade Crossing . And everything anyone says about it refers to commercial use.
 
2012-06-17 02:04:55 PM
Why would people bother trolling a thread about a bridge?
 
2012-06-17 03:31:33 PM
but but but .. 9/11
 
2012-06-17 11:06:52 PM

change1211: Why would people bother trolling a thread about a bridge?


I don't know, but let me give it a shot.

I'm glad to see the bridge project going through, but is the plan to fix our crumbling infrastructure really to sell off the country piece by piece to other nations? The idea that the largest economy in the world can't afford to pay for half of an important international trade bridge is pathetic. Next, maybe along our southern border we can let Mexico take over security. That should save a ton of money, and I'm sure there are plenty of private business interests in Mexico that would happily handle that for us. And when that fails, we can just have them build us a bridge that connects Mexico with Oklahoma (they'll have bought out Texas by then I assume).

Nothing says 'crumbling empire' quite like massive borrowing to fund a permanent worldwide military presence, while our own citizens are constantly reminded that we can't afford education or bridges any more (thanks to those filthy rich teachers and construction workers), our existing standard of living isn't sustainable in a global market, and that increasing sacrifices will be required of those least able to afford it.

Still, I hope the bridge is a massive success. Michigan needs the help.

/ Remember when we used to be able to do great things?
// Canada can afford universal healthcare and roads. How is it possible that we're currently 0 for 2?
 
2012-06-18 10:20:58 AM
Windsor - Canada's Detroit.
 
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