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(CNN)   Studies show unemployment leads to mental illness, staying up 'til 3 in the morning to catch that one episode of Law and Order where Lennie Briscoe makes an amusing quip right before the opening credits   (cnn.com) divider line 85
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2012-06-16 08:14:03 AM  
ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!
 
2012-06-16 08:19:54 AM  
Stupid TNT... Replaced the second hour of Law and Order with a rotating show that isn't Law and Order.

AND SHOW THE DAMN EPISODES IN ORDER! We don't want to see a Briscoe and Logan, followed by a Fontana and Falco!
 
2012-06-16 08:33:04 AM  
I've been up since 2:12 am watching Blackadder bloopers on YouTube and reading threads like this on Fark.com so I'm getting a real kick out of these rep...zzzzzzzzzzz
 
2012-06-16 08:34:56 AM  
Cant say I've noticed an increase in depression levels. They're about the same. I've been unemployed for some time, and certainly the monotony, the loneliness and the absolute lack of dignity in taking handouts from the government are very damaging.
The alcohol consumption now, that is a concern. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a litre a week or so has become a litre a day.
But that will stop as soon as I get a Job. I Can Stop Any Time I Want!
 
2012-06-16 08:35:14 AM  
As someone who has been watching law and order on Netflix since 3am... I'm getting a kick.

/Not unemployed.
 
2012-06-16 08:39:44 AM  

bekovich: Cant say I've noticed an increase in depression levels. They're about the same. I've been unemployed for some time, and certainly the monotony, the loneliness and the absolute lack of dignity in taking handouts from the government are very damaging.
The alcohol consumption now, that is a concern. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a litre a week or so has become a litre a day.
But that will stop as soon as I get a Job. I Can Stop Any Time I Want!


Seriously, if you are drinking that much, maybe you might consider putting the bottle up on a shelf and turning on Blackadder bloopers on YouTube. The one with Stephen Frye making Hugh Laurie leave the set because he was making funny faces at Frye is hilarious. Nothing like a WWI general presiding over a court martial pointing fingers at an actor while giggling uncontrollably.
 
2012-06-16 08:40:14 AM  
I stay up late to watch crap and I'm employed.

Also very tired.
 
2012-06-16 08:40:37 AM  
It's not lack of work that makes you crazy, it's lack of money. If I hit the lottery, I'd be very happy never spending a day at work again.
 
2012-06-16 08:40:39 AM  
...and...FARK
 
2012-06-16 08:47:02 AM  

Weaver95: ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!


This. Although fighting with my ex-employer regarding the nature of my leaving the company will drive me farking insane.

/I say fired
//they say quit
 
2012-06-16 08:47:21 AM  
I could see how it could be soul crushing if you had a family (especially children) and you couldn't provide for them and had to scrape by on some form of government assistance.

But, if you are unattached, it can actually be pretty damn awesome. I was able to live a very comfortable 'college-kid' style lifestyle with the unemployment money. Most days, I'd sleep in until 10am, check a few online websites/apply for jobs. By 11am I was done. It was great. I had all the free time in the world to do things that interested me. I suddenly had time to cook healthy food/go on a diet. I had time to run 3x a week and money to go to the gym 3x a week. I'd take my sweet time getting ready, spend a lot of time on Facebook and lolpics and get to the gym by 1pm. By 2:30pm I was back at home.

I took up drawing. That was cool, but I'm terrible at it.
I also started playing my guitar again. And without the pressures of school/work I could do all those other fun things *AND* practice 30-45 minutes a day. My playing improved *A LOT*.

And whenever any of my friends wanted to do anything....I was down. I was never tired from work. Never busy with crap I didn't want to do. A few of my friends would stop at a bar on their way home from work around 5:30 - I'd meet up with them. Friday and Saturday nights, I was always up for going out drinking and socializing. I met a lot of new people just by going out more. I had a lot of fun.

To be honest, it was pretty awesome. It was exactly like college, but without the classes.

Socially, being unemployed made me feel a little uncomfortable; so I lied about it. Short-term, it was great.
 
2012-06-16 08:51:37 AM  
Also - the guy in the article is a retard.

He's a 'software test engineer' but he can't automate the refreshing of job sites without his being there? I'd have spent one day writing a simple screen scraper and I'd have it text me whenever a new job appeared. I'd use my smart phone to check the job posting - wherever I was.

There is no reason, at all, to be afraid to watch TV because you have to CONSTANTLY refresh the job sites. Any tech person who would do that shouldn't be a tech person.
 
2012-06-16 08:54:21 AM  

KellyKellyKelly: Weaver95: ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!

This. Although fighting with my ex-employer regarding the nature of my leaving the company will drive me farking insane.

/I say fired
//they say quit


in my case, my job got outsourced to India. which is actually rather funny, since...well...I didn't take notes on a lot of the changes I made to various programs and system upgrades. not to mention the fact that I was the only guy who knew where everything was located on weekend shift. ah well..not my problem anymore.

also...I know there might be a bit of 'sour grapes' to this statement but...since I got laid off i'm starting to realize just how much I hated working those hours. its like I didn't notice it while I was there and pulling those shifts, but since I got booted out of the company i've been sort of looking back at the past couple of years and not liking what I see.
 
2012-06-16 08:56:35 AM  
I have been up with my newborn since 3 am watching Law&Order and Broscoe just made a witty quip. I'm on leave though, not unemployed so I'm only kind of getting a kick...
 
2012-06-16 08:56:36 AM  
I think it's depressing that I can't find a job post graduation that pays more than the job I've held the past few years. Not that I'm not grateful for my job but I don't make a lot and have no benefits. And like many I'm returning to grad school in the fall. Sigh, I wish I had someone to support me.
 
2012-06-16 08:59:38 AM  
mental illness and lack of sleep also a career killer.

if you really think someone is a ticking time bomb where you work be wise and don't taunt them. it may seem funny at the moment but some people don't realize how hurtful shiatty comments are, and that they are placing themselves right in the target cross hairs. some people go through life with a very full plate and all it takes is that last straw to break the proverbial camels back. insulting your way onto that radar screen is incredibly stupid.
 
2012-06-16 09:00:19 AM  
Unemployment leads to being broke which leads to fake "disability" claims when your checks run out.
 
2012-06-16 09:02:58 AM  
June 15th, 2012. The day the president of the US told the unemployed youth of America to go to hell. Never forget the day, never forget.
 
2012-06-16 09:08:05 AM  
I was laid off for quite a while, didn't notice a rise in mental illness but my alcohol consumption was on the uptake.

/Just found a job
//Woohoo!
 
2012-06-16 09:11:11 AM  
Granted, the first few months of unemployment can be great, if you've got savings and or government assistance to not become, uh, homeless.
I've been working in the most menial and dirty of jobs since I was 15 and have allways been happy to take on any job, no matter how lowly, degrading or disgusting. I even worked at Subway for a while.
But after a few months of applying for every job out there and not getting even to interview level, I can see how it damages the unemployed who dont want to be unemployed.
"Is there something WRONG with me..?" "Am I too old?" "Am I just dumber than I thought?".

At my local jobcentre it's a ratio of about 80/20, 80% being the teenagers with babies who are quite content to have babies and use that as their base income. The other 20% are the ones who want to work but are getting a little old and tired but have become jaded bitter alcoholics in their desperate search for employment.


And also, unemployed people may be more prone to mental illness because they've simply got more TIME to think about their problems. Atleast with a full time job you can put your brain on standby and just get on with living.

I've got plenty of hobbies and have recently turned my kitchen into an art studio. I'm working my way through every book in the library. I run on the cycle track until I throw up/pass out each day. I've memorized every black book episode.
But I'm still going up the wall and out of my mind with the isolation of this situation.
"I'm so lonely I dont even want to be with myself anymore".

Sorry, long rambling post.
I have some sympathy for the unemployed.


But still, the cheerful fact of this is that well, This is not a Gulag. No one is being sent off to work camps of enforced labor. Yet..
 
2012-06-16 09:13:44 AM  

Weaver95: ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!


Oh please, most of us noticed you got better a few years ago :-)
 
2012-06-16 09:21:23 AM  
Great, now I have Law and Order ads popping up on the right hand side of the page.
 
2012-06-16 09:34:31 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-16 09:38:26 AM  
i.cdn.turner.com

Was it the long term unemployment or was it the testosterone shots?
 
2012-06-16 09:43:58 AM  
Wrong subby. Insanity is watching reruns of Quacker Factory's Jeanne Bice on the Home Shopping Network at 3am.

/head band porn anyone?
 
2012-06-16 09:44:21 AM  
What, was Obvious tag out standing in the food stamp line?

/Was unemployed for a year.
//Still got the blues
 
2012-06-16 10:12:14 AM  

bekovich: "I'm so lonely I dont even want to be with myself anymore"...


oooo Amanda Ghost!
 
2012-06-16 10:14:19 AM  
I was laid off in April . . . And it wasn't the first time this company laid me off in April. I was working 50-60 hours a week. Aside from cutting nearly every extra expense to make our savings go further, I've rather enjoyed having my first vacation in years.

Perhaps the most depressing aspect of my unemployment is waiting to hear back from applications.

I'm also slightly worried my previous job will call me back. It was like working for crazy people. The company was run by Mormon nepotism so there was always plenty of unqualified offspring, making more than you, asking for help on how to concatenate data in Excel.
 
2012-06-16 10:15:04 AM  

Weaver95: ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!


Weav, I hope you find something soon.
 
2012-06-16 10:15:56 AM  
Most people get a preponderance of their social interaction at work and/or church.
 
2012-06-16 10:24:34 AM  

dv-ous: Most people get a preponderance of their social interaction at work


This is true. But I wish it wasn't, because I can't stand most of them.
 
2012-06-16 10:25:05 AM  

Weaver95: KellyKellyKelly: Weaver95: ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!

This. Although fighting with my ex-employer regarding the nature of my leaving the company will drive me farking insane.

/I say fired
//they say quit

in my case, my job got outsourced to India. which is actually rather funny, since...well...I didn't take notes on a lot of the changes I made to various programs and system upgrades. not to mention the fact that I was the only guy who knew where everything was located on weekend shift. ah well..not my problem anymore.

also...I know there might be a bit of 'sour grapes' to this statement but...since I got laid off i'm starting to realize just how much I hated working those hours. its like I didn't notice it while I was there and pulling those shifts, but since I got booted out of the company i've been sort of looking back at the past couple of years and not liking what I see.


First, sorry to hear about your job loss.

Second, I agree with you. When I was laid off from my job, I realized how much I hated it. That's the thing about technology jobs: without the money, it sucks on ice. You have awful hours, an awful diet that goes with it, and various other things that add up combined with the contempt a lot of people feel towards you for being 1) more employable, more or less, combined with 2) having a role in an organization that cannot be easily filled. Yeah, they can hire someone in India, but that will be nice and fine for a few months before something breaks and your replacement can't do a goddamn thing to fix it because of proximity and experience. Not to mention reducing your tech staff also means you show your tech staff what it means to have free time, and that always wins out over a job that doesn't pay enough, nor ever can.

There is nothing more toxic to a system where people are expected to work constantly throughout their lives for menial pay than being forcibly removed from that system to see how much of their lives they're missing and how awful those situations really are. And most economists will never realize this, and that's why the American system is really farked. Giving people time to think never benefits a shiatty system ever.
 
2012-06-16 10:25:55 AM  
Being unemployed is awesome when I was single. But now that I'm married with kids I would pay someone for a legitimate reason to get out of the house.
 
2012-06-16 10:31:00 AM  
The gov't run CCC camps gave jobs, mostly to city folks, who needed some work.

What we need are some different work camps. Like something to keep people occupied with labor. Work will set you free...

...from depression.
 
2012-06-16 10:42:09 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'd have spent one day writing a simple screen scraper and I'd have it text me whenever a new job appeared. I'd use my smart phone to check the job posting - wherever I was.


Fark_Guy_Rob: Socially, being unemployed made me feel a little uncomfortable; so I lied about it.


This is a guy ho knows how to live life. Pay attention and learn what you can from him.
 
2012-06-16 10:43:01 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Short-term, it was great.


Bingo. I was unemployed for about six months about a year ago. The first two to three months were great, I got an okay severance and unemployment insurance. However, near the end it got a bit rough, eventually the boredom, rejection and financial insecurity takes its toll. Even if you have a bit of savings to live off of (I did), day in and day out of that financial insecurity and being rejected from job after job that you apply to indeed is a mental strain. I cried for no reason more than a few times, and I know that more than a few times I had more drinks than was probably a good idea.
 
2012-06-16 10:48:07 AM  

Fissile: It's not lack of work that makes you crazy, it's lack of money. If I hit the lottery, I'd be very happy never spending a day at work again.


THIS!

I'm lucky to finally have a job but I felt happier when I was collecting my weekly unemployment checks. I was able to do my little personal projects, watch lots of documentaries, take long walks in the park (getting exercise and sun), and getting short-term odd-jobs from friends and placement firms. I would have some late nights but I always woke up before 9 am. I'd look for jobs and send off some resumes but it wasn't until an ex-coworker of a friend reached out looking to fill a customer-support/installation/training position that I finally got a full-time job at a small local tech company. I only had three weeks remaining on my extended unemployment benefits.

Now my days are filled with confusion, chaos and a micro-managing sales-man boss who lies to customers in order to close deals. There is no formal employee training and there is no time available for internal documentation. Co-workers come and go and usually just stop showing up instead of formally resigning. Somehow I've lasted 12 months. I feel exhausted at the end of days and don't want to do anything but vegetate in front of the TV before going to sleep. My weekends are spent depressurizing from the work week until Sunday afternoon when I finally feel like doing my little projects only to realize I have to go back to work the next day. I'm sleepy all the time and I'm starting to pack on the pounds.

I'm currently paid less than my previous job (and less than HALF of what I made 12 years ago) but more than when I was unemployed. Somehow I seem to have less money now than when I was unemployed. How odd.

I see those stories of "oh, winning the lottery ruined my life" and think "Fark you. You are irresponsible and can't plan for the future". Gimme a lottery jackpot any day over this job that I really can't afford to lose.
 
2012-06-16 10:49:56 AM  
I'd say it's as much being driven stir-crazy from boredom as anything else. As you remain unemployed longer, money naturally starts getting tight. When that happens, you start cutting out "pleasure" expenses: You're not hitting the bar or going to a game with your friends as often so you're more socially isolated, you're going to hold off on that new movie/video game/book you've been looking forward to so you don't have anything to occupy your mind, you're damn sure not going on that weeklong trip to the beach or whatever change of scenery... When you've got jack to do other than dwell on your own unemployment and perceived failings all day every day, you bet your ass you go a bit wacko.
 
2012-06-16 10:56:25 AM  

notmtwain:

i.cdn.turner.com

Was it the long term unemployment or was it the testosterone shots?


Man, Lars has seen better days...
 
2012-06-16 10:58:56 AM  

Weaver95: KellyKellyKelly: Weaver95: ha! shows what YOU know! I was mentally ill before I got laid off! muhahahahahahaha!

This. Although fighting with my ex-employer regarding the nature of my leaving the company will drive me farking insane.

/I say fired
//they say quit

in my case, my job got outsourced to India. which is actually rather funny, since...well...I didn't take notes on a lot of the changes I made to various programs and system upgrades. not to mention the fact that I was the only guy who knew where everything was located on weekend shift. ah well..not my problem anymore.

also...I know there might be a bit of 'sour grapes' to this statement but...since I got laid off i'm starting to realize just how much I hated working those hours. its like I didn't notice it while I was there and pulling those shifts, but since I got booted out of the company i've been sort of looking back at the past couple of years and not liking what I see.


Well.this actually explains why you latched on to liberalism and ows so well. It simply fits.to your current ethos. So much for having convictions.
 
2012-06-16 10:59:10 AM  
I've been unemployed for a long, long time. Yes, it's depressing. Yes, I have motivational issues. Thankfully I've never been much of a drinker, otherwise I'd be in real trouble. Comfort eating like crazy though. :( Even having a law degree isn't helping, unless you're my loan processor. I apply for jobs, never hear anything back, or if I do, it's "thanks but no thanks" "we'll call you" or some other way to tell me that I wasted my time even showing up for the interview. I'm registered with various legal temp agencies, although I never hear anything back from them at all, and I do the "keep in touch" dance as they want me to. My wife is the breadwinner and wants to be home with the kids. I want the opposite, as I never wanted to be a FT stay at home dad.
 
2012-06-16 11:08:06 AM  

MyRandomName:

Well.this actually explains why you latched on to liberalism and ows so well. It simply fits.to your current ethos. So much for having convictions.


actually - I was more involved with OWS when I was employed than I am now.
 
2012-06-16 11:10:32 AM  

Mofo_Jones: ... My wife is the breadwinner and wants to be home with the kids. I want the opposite, as I never wanted to be a FT stay at home dad.


Try BOTH of you being unemployed. Holy shiat, that sucked.
 
2012-06-16 11:25:40 AM  
I've been unemployed for almost two years...

www.sitcomsonline.com

But I'm much better now...
 
2012-06-16 11:52:27 AM  

ghare: Mofo_Jones: ... My wife is the breadwinner and wants to be home with the kids. I want the opposite, as I never wanted to be a FT stay at home dad.

Try BOTH of you being unemployed. Holy shiat, that sucked.


That's literally the only saving grace here. We'd be absolutely and royally farked if we were both unemployed. At least we still have health insurance. Wife works for the government so we're scraping by.
 
2012-06-16 11:53:56 AM  
Depressing thread is depressing.

Currently a SW engineer, made really poor career choices working with dead technologies (Java Swing), at a dying company, will be unemployed soon. Enough unix to be functional, but not call myself an admin, enough oracle to do what I need, but not enough to call myself a DBA, enough JBOSS and Hibernate to diagnose and fix basic problems but not enough to be the "guru".

Doing the dance, looking for a new job, but I don't know if it's happening...

I need to get better trained on web-facing/web-supporting technologies. Is getting a .net certification worth it? (did ASP.net and C# a little bit 4 years ago, so I'm not completely in the dark). Playing with web development using the GWT too, very easy to grasp with my Java background.

Surprising, but I get recruiters asking more about my experience in .net than what I have did with Java, a lot of .net shops in the Atlanta area...

Seriously considering a career switch, geting a LPN, and then maybe an RN. It would be nice to actually help people. Anybody else make that jump? I'm 38 and in good physical shape...
 
2012-06-16 11:59:22 AM  
Losing my job was one of the best things that ever happened to me. I started writing for real, lost all my stress weight and realized that 40 hours a week was killing me. Took a year and a half off to write a book and then got the perfect part time job ever (and this was all at the height of the recession). The only reason I could do that though was that we had savings to fall back on, husband was still working (on part time salary, but money was still coming in so not everything was coming out of savings) and we don't have any kids.

Tangentially related, I think best thing you can ever do for your kids is to give them money to jump start a real savings account when they finally enter the real world (i.e. after college if they go, before if they don't and are responsible). You don't have to start with a ridiculous amount of money--not $100,000 or anything--just enough to give them a head start. As long as they are conscientious enough to actually put away money on top of whatever you give them every paycheck, any unexpected bills short of major medical work will be no problem and BAM your kids are financially secure and can make it through bouts of unemployment without contemplating suicide.
 
2012-06-16 12:11:59 PM  

bekovich: Cant say I've noticed an increase in depression levels. They're about the same. I've been unemployed for some time, and certainly the monotony, the loneliness and the absolute lack of dignity in taking handouts from the government are very damaging.
The alcohol consumption now, that is a concern. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a litre a week or so has become a litre a day.
But that will stop as soon as I get a Job. I Can Stop Any Time I Want!


During the Great Depression stories abounded of people starving because they were too ashamed to get government help. Don't be ashamed, this is precisely why we have a social system. To help those in need. Just don't turn into a Craig T. Nelson type later.
 
2012-06-16 12:13:39 PM  

Rannuci: notmtwain:

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Was it the long term unemployment or was it the testosterone shots?

Man, Lars has seen better days...


i.cdn.turner.com

So has Mickey Rourke.
 
2012-06-16 12:14:16 PM  

coco ebert: bekovich: Cant say I've noticed an increase in depression levels. They're about the same. I've been unemployed for some time, and certainly the monotony, the loneliness and the absolute lack of dignity in taking handouts from the government are very damaging.
The alcohol consumption now, that is a concern. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a litre a week or so has become a litre a day.
But that will stop as soon as I get a Job. I Can Stop Any Time I Want!

During the Great Depression stories abounded of people starving because they were too ashamed to get government help. Don't be ashamed, this is precisely why we have a social system. To help those in need. Just don't turn into a Craig T. Nelson type later.


Indeed. DO NOT appear in Flesh Gordon. no one should be that hard-up for a job.
 
2012-06-16 12:24:54 PM  
 
2012-06-16 12:32:30 PM  

dforkus: Depressing thread is depressing.

Currently a SW engineer, made really poor career choices working with dead technologies (Java Swing), at a dying company, will be unemployed soon. Enough unix to be functional, but not call myself an admin, enough oracle to do what I need, but not enough to call myself a DBA, enough JBOSS and Hibernate to diagnose and fix basic problems but not enough to be the "guru".

Doing the dance, looking for a new job, but I don't know if it's happening...

I need to get better trained on web-facing/web-supporting technologies. Is getting a .net certification worth it? (did ASP.net and C# a little bit 4 years ago, so I'm not completely in the dark). Playing with web development using the GWT too, very easy to grasp with my Java background.

Surprising, but I get recruiters asking more about my experience in .net than what I have did with Java, a lot of .net shops in the Atlanta area...

Seriously considering a career switch, geting a LPN, and then maybe an RN. It would be nice to actually help people. Anybody else make that jump? I'm 38 and in good physical shape...


Nursing is a tough job but you will meet a lot more women than you will as an SWE.

My advice would be to learn to develop on the Android platform, since you already have Java experience. It's a growth area.

My .NET certification changed my life (tripled my salary) but that was in 1999. I don't think they're worth as much these days.
 
2012-06-16 12:39:51 PM  

fred_chan: Tangentially related, I think best thing you can ever do for your kids is to give them money to jump start a real savings account when they finally enter the real world (i.e. after college if they go, before if they don't and are responsible). You don't have to start with a ridiculous amount of money--not $100,000 or anything--just enough to give them a head start. As long as they are conscientious enough to actually put away money on top of whatever you give them every paycheck, any unexpected bills short of major medical work will be no problem and BAM your kids are financially secure and can make it through bouts of unemployment without contemplating suicide.


I completely agree. One of the things my parents did for me was set up an invested savings account when I was young. They put some money in every month and, here's the important part, didn't tell me about it until I graduated high school.

They handed it over to me with the following advice:
"This savings account is for emergencies and retirement, not for fun. We'll continue adding money to it every month until the first time you take money out of it. Once you get a steady job you should deposit a little money in every month, too. You'll be glad you did."

The first time I took money out was to cover rent/living expenses during that limbo time between graduating college and settling in a new city/getting a job. The second time was to help cover rent one month when I had about $1000 car repair bill (unexpected engine trouble).

The account has never had more than a few thousand dollars in it, but between that and my outstanding PTO, it's nice to know that I have about a 6 month safety net should I ever find myself unemployed.
 
2012-06-16 12:45:17 PM  

distopianDream: I think it's depressing that I can't find a job post graduation that pays more than the job I've held the past few years. Not that I'm not grateful for my job but I don't make a lot and have no benefits.


Oh my goodness, this.

I worked myself through part-time community college for years and years as a conceirge at a hotel. I made pretty good money, even if the hours were long. I finally graduated after all that time and work and was unemployed for almost a year.

Now I'm a part time security guard, getting paid peanuts for twelve-hour weekend shifts. I can't see my wife (who works regular office hours), I'm part-time, so I have no benefits, low income, and every day of the week, I dread the weekend rolling around again, because the job is so menial and depressing.

fark.
 
2012-06-16 12:47:26 PM  

fred_chan: I think best thing you can ever do for your kids is to give them money to jump start a real savings account when they finally enter the real world


This would help a whole lot of people, for sure.

As long as they are conscientious enough to actually put away money on top of whatever you give them every paycheck

I don't think a lot of people think like that. Saving money seems to be a foreign concept to many. I've been saving money since I was 8. ($2/week allowance? Put $1.50 in piggy bank, buy candy bar or play 2 arcade games with rest, eventually have enough $ for an NES.) Long-term thinking like that doesn't come naturally; "spend everything you have right now!" is what people apparently want to do.

Also, most kids right out of college will have insane amounts of student loan debt, meaning there's much less money to put into any sort of savings or investments.
 
2012-06-16 01:18:10 PM  
FTFA: Research suggests that unemployed workers who actively engage in job-search activities are more likely to have worse mental health, according to a 2005 study.

This doesn't sound plausible. It seems to me that being "actively engaged" in anything that helps you to better your situation is at least going to keep your mental health stable, if not actually improve it.
 
2012-06-16 01:25:18 PM  
Why the hell do people watch that show?
 
2012-06-16 01:30:09 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: FTFA: Research suggests that unemployed workers who actively engage in job-search activities are more likely to have worse mental health, according to a 2005 study.

This doesn't sound plausible. It seems to me that being "actively engaged" in anything that helps you to better your situation is at least going to keep your mental health stable, if not actually improve it.


For me, being actively engaged in something other than job searching helps. I can only job search so long before I get really frustrated. "Entry level job: Must have a Bachelor's degree in specific field + 5 years work experience in specific field." That combined with filling out the few applications for jobs I am actually qualified for to never hear anything back just takes its toll. If you sit in front of the computer and do this for too long you will lose your mind.
/Currently losing my mind as I continue searching
 
2012-06-16 01:42:21 PM  

Last Man on Earth: I'd say it's as much being driven stir-crazy from boredom as anything else. As you remain unemployed longer, money naturally starts getting tight. When that happens, you start cutting out "pleasure" expenses: You're not hitting the bar or going to a game with your friends as often so you're more socially isolated, you're going to hold off on that new movie/video game/book you've been looking forward to so you don't have anything to occupy your mind, you're damn sure not going on that weeklong trip to the beach or whatever change of scenery... When you've got jack to do other than dwell on your own unemployment and perceived failings all day every day, you bet your ass you go a bit wacko.


So much this. ^^^

Currently unemployed for the 1st time since college (10 yrs ago). I'm not too proud for entry level positions, but I am "over-qualified". My savings is almost gone. I'm no longer going out (except to catch NBA finals games) because I can't afford it and am tired of well-meaning friends asking about my job hunt. So I read. A lot. And dwell.
 
2012-06-16 01:43:54 PM  

Submitted First With a Better Headline: distopianDream: I think it's depressing that I can't find a job post graduation that pays more than the job I've held the past few years. Not that I'm not grateful for my job but I don't make a lot and have no benefits.

Oh my goodness, this.

I worked myself through part-time community college for years and years as a conceirge at a hotel. I made pretty good money, even if the hours were long. I finally graduated after all that time and work and was unemployed for almost a year.

Now I'm a part time security guard, getting paid peanuts for twelve-hour weekend shifts. I can't see my wife (who works regular office hours), I'm part-time, so I have no benefits, low income, and every day of the week, I dread the weekend rolling around again, because the job is so menial and depressing.

fark.


Out of curiosity what did you study
 
2012-06-16 01:55:17 PM  
Extended unemployment leads to lowered feelings of self worth.
Not having anything to do leads, as Last Man on Earth said, going a li'l crazy from boredom.
Being stuck in the house all the time because you can't afford to go anywhere or do anything leads to cabin fever.

That combination can easily lead to depression. If you already have depression? Yeah, you're screwed.
 
2012-06-16 01:55:38 PM  
I'm in a prolonged period of unemployment. It gnaws at your self worth and insecurities. its sometimes difficult to relate with friends as they are employed and obviously, in a different state of mind. I guess you get to know some of your good friends who offer help and others who don't. Days blur into the next with no real purpose. On the bright side, I've got savings, not homeless and supprting family. Still, after a few months its a burden psycologically as you wonder when relief is in sight.

People say get bootstrappy, but as other posters note - its a lot of applying for hours on end with absolutely no response - sometimes for weeks with no reply. You're kind of like... what the hell is the point? For me, I'm catching up on reading, reviewing work-related subjects and if I can do it cheaply pick up a hobby to kill time. But fact is the internet replaced the boob tube as the ultimate time waster. No avoiding that.
 
2012-06-16 02:05:46 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: FTFA: Research suggests that unemployed workers who actively engage in job-search activities are more likely to have worse mental health, according to a 2005 study.

This doesn't sound plausible. It seems to me that being "actively engaged" in anything that helps you to better your situation is at least going to keep your mental health stable, if not actually improve it.


Have you ever tried it in this environment? It's like trying to bust through a brick wall head first most of the time. It would be different if you could look for work and find all these amazing opportunities that are good fits, and there are people on the other side of the interview desk that agree with you. But that's not how it is these days. If you so much as scratch your nose at an interview, there are 20 other equally qualified people who didn't scratch their noses for the employer to choose from, and that's if you even get an interview to begin with.
 
2012-06-16 02:16:46 PM  

dforkus: I need to get better trained on web-facing/web-supporting technologies. Is getting a .net certification worth it? (did ASP.net and C# a little bit 4 years ago, so I'm not completely in the dark). Playing with web development using the GWT too, very easy to grasp with my Java background.

Surprising, but I get recruiters asking more about my experience in .net than what I have did with Java, a lot of .net shops in the Atlanta area...


A good developer can pick up the basics of a new language/framework/IDE relatively quickly.
A crappy developer that seemingly knows the ins and outs of Java/.Net/Oracle is still a crappy developer.

Be the good developer.

/Have seen and worked with both.
//look into iOS, Android and HTML5
 
2012-06-16 02:35:16 PM  
The day you get laid off (or your unemployment runs out), start a company and hire yourself. At least you'll have something to put on your resume and something to work on every day, even if there isn't a lot of actual money coming in.

If you're in IT, there are a lot of small firms and families who need part-time tech support. There are still lot of people out there who need basic computer skills training. Put up WordPress web sites, Facebook pages, and Twitter accuonts for nonprofits and tiny consulting firms and local busineses. That's at least a hundred bucks in the bank and a feeling of accomplishment, right? Some public libraries pay computer and tech skills teachers $50/hour.

It's not steady and it's not always enough to live on, but at least it's work. In addition to looking for work, you can spend some time studying your field and learning how to market yourself, which will keep your skills sharp. Potential employers will see that you really are a go-getter. And if/when you do get a full-time job, you can keep the other job as a second income stream.

IT is just an example; even if you are not good with computer, you probably have some skill or hobby that you can turn into money. There are a lot of tax advantages to having your own company, which could be another way to help contribute to the family's bottom line. Whatever you do for fun, you can probably do for money (at least, if you don't suck at it).

Incidentally, if you're unemployed, mechanically competent, in excellent physical shape and you've recently gone insane, you're a perfect candidate to become a wind turbine technichian.

/employed
//don't get into network marketing
 
2012-06-16 02:52:53 PM  

dforkus: Out of curiosity what did you study


English, which is probably part of my problem.

At the time, I new I would never make a lot of money, but as someone with low expenses and no intention to have kids, that suited me just fine. I had a pretty good stable of contacts who worked in marketing offices or held communications positions, so I knew what options were out there and what sort of pay grade to expect.

Sadly, a combination of the recession and being in a city that is overrun with experienced writers looking to fill even entry level positions, all of my options dried up.

At least I can write some damn good security logs!
 
2012-06-16 03:07:28 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: A good developer can pick up the basics of a new language/framework/IDE relatively quickly.
A crappy developer that seemingly knows the ins and outs of Java/.Net/Oracle is still a crappy developer.


Agree with this statement wholeheartedly...
The drones that run interviews don't always though.

If you call yourself a Java developer or a .net developer, they are going to want to see lots of experience, plus be expected to regurgitate pages of the API from memory.

I don't really work this way, I've never worked this way. The first thing I do when I install eclipse on a new machine is make sure src.zip is linked in. With no shame I freely admit I code, I keep a browser a browser with a tab opened to stack overflow, one to the API docs, and one left open for googling.

I'm also getting the standard "whats the difference between an interface and and abstract class?" questions, plus downright retarded "Gotcha" questions like " would a method with for(;;;){System.out.println("x");}System.out.println("y"); compile? and what would it print? (btw not sour grapes, got this one right the first time I saw it, it's still retarded...).

Also expect to have to recite compiling versions of pattern implementations, for example the strategy pattern, or SQL queries over the telephone word-by-word.

But you are right, answering these question does not a competent/dedicated engineer make..

I'm actually doing ok with these now, getting follow up interviews, having accepted it is the way of the world; It doesn't hurt that people are lazy, and all seem to ask the same questions.

Fun stuff, fun stuff...
 
2012-06-16 03:24:28 PM  
for the anal, ment to say:

for(;;){System.out.println("x");}System.out.println("y");
 
2012-06-16 04:30:08 PM  

dforkus: Depressing thread is depressing.

Currently a SW engineer, made really poor career choices working with dead technologies (Java Swing), at a dying company, will be unemployed soon. Enough unix to be functional, but not call myself an admin, enough oracle to do what I need, but not enough to call myself a DBA, enough JBOSS and Hibernate to diagnose and fix basic problems but not enough to be the "guru".

Doing the dance, looking for a new job, but I don't know if it's happening...

I need to get better trained on web-facing/web-supporting technologies. Is getting a .net certification worth it? (did ASP.net and C# a little bit 4 years ago, so I'm not completely in the dark). Playing with web development using the GWT too, very easy to grasp with my Java background.

Surprising, but I get recruiters asking more about my experience in .net than what I have did with Java, a lot of .net shops in the Atlanta area...

Seriously considering a career switch, geting a LPN, and then maybe an RN. It would be nice to actually help people. Anybody else make that jump? I'm 38 and in good physical shape...


Just go RN. LPNs make half the money for almost the same work. LPNs are very limited in where they can paractice. Some states have such a narrow scope of practice for LPNs that hospitals have demoted their LPNs into aide work.

I hire nurses for a living.
 
2012-06-16 05:24:24 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: bekovich: Cant say I've noticed an increase in depression levels. They're about the same. I've been unemployed for some time, and certainly the monotony, the loneliness and the absolute lack of dignity in taking handouts from the government are very damaging.
The alcohol consumption now, that is a concern. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a litre a week or so has become a litre a day.
But that will stop as soon as I get a Job. I Can Stop Any Time I Want!

Seriously, if you are drinking that much, maybe you might consider putting the bottle up on a shelf and turning on Blackadder bloopers on YouTube. The one with Stephen Frye making Hugh Laurie leave the set because he was making funny faces at Frye is hilarious. Nothing like a WWI general presiding over a court martial pointing fingers at an actor while giggling uncontrollably.


I needed a giggle. Thanks for that.
 
2012-06-16 05:30:33 PM  
I definitely empathize with the jobless in here, I've been there several times. The last time around it wasn't nearly as painful, since my husband and I were living with his parents already because we had relocated to their area. So while I was getting a pittance of money from the state to pay my personal bills, I had lots of free time to go hiking and do other things I like as recreation. I was looking for a job the whole time, but the problem is I got let go right after the stock market crashed, and my particular skillset doesn't work for most of the jobs in this rural area (manufacturing, public schools, the hospital). So hardly anyone had job openings I was qualified for, and there's a ton of nepotism since everyone else knows each other here. Besides that I have too many medical issues to do the more physical jobs/unskilled labor jobs I might have been able to do if that weren't the case.

I'm mostly enjoying running my ebay store at this point, (although I haven't broken even yet), but I don't see it working long term as more and more companies are trying to go with digital delivery of the video games.
 
2012-06-16 06:48:30 PM  

netcentric: The gov't run CCC camps gave jobs, mostly to city folks, who needed some work.

What we need are some different work camps. Like something to keep people occupied with labor. Work will set you free...

...from depression.


Why not? The unemployed and the welfare recipients are basically government workers, except they don't have to go to work.
 
2012-06-16 08:35:57 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: FTFA: Research suggests that unemployed workers who actively engage in job-search activities are more likely to have worse mental health, according to a 2005 study.

This doesn't sound plausible. It seems to me that being "actively engaged" in anything that helps you to better your situation is at least going to keep your mental health stable, if not actually improve it.


Wrong. If you don't give a sh*t, your stress levels are lower. If you worry about every phone call, every application, every e-mail, every letter in your mailbox, every text message being either "the one" or just another failure in a long string of failures, then yeah you'll crack.
You're constantly thinking "did I miss something? did I contact this person or that person? is my resume spelled correctly? did I send the right cover letter out? Is the e-mail address I sent the documents to correct?" and so on... you begin to internalize the reasons they're not calling, not texting, not writing. Somehow it becomes no longer their fault, but yours. You must have either not done something, done something wrong, missed something, or are simply not good enough.

It was like that for part of the last time I was unemployed, The phone wouldn't ring for days or weeks, then when it did I would almost sh*t myself. I stayed near the computer, checking me e-mail a dozen times an hour. I never turned my cellphone off. I barely left the apartment from 6 am to 6 pm, just in case there might possibly be someone who wanted to contact me.

The week I didn't give a sh*t anymore... that's when they called. Life is f*cked up that way.
 
2012-06-16 08:36:57 PM  
Wrong, subby. I watch for the episode where Claire Kincaid gets killed while she's driving a drunk Briscoe home... It still gets to me every time I watch it. In my deteriorating mental state (because of my long-term unemployment) it's like a misery-loves-company fix.
 
2012-06-16 08:40:43 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: Wrong, subby. I watch for the episode where Claire Kincaid gets killed while she's driving a drunk Briscoe home... It still gets to me every time I watch it. In my deteriorating mental state (because of my long-term unemployment) it's like a misery-loves-company fix.


The spiritual successor to that episode is when Jack's assistant Alexandra Borgia gets abducted, stuffed in a trunk, and chokes on her own vomit. Of course, Jack goes apeshiat to prosecute the offenders, just like he went apeshiat the first time he dealt with a drunk driver after Claire Kincaid was killed.
 
2012-06-16 08:41:23 PM  

rewind2846: Wrong. If you don't give a sh*t, your stress levels are lower. If you worry about every phone call, every application, every e-mail, every letter in your mailbox, every text message being either "the one" or just another failure in a long string of failures, then yeah you'll crack.
You're constantly thinking "did I miss something? did I contact this person or that person? is my resume spelled correctly? did I send the right cover letter out? Is the e-mail address I sent the documents to correct?" and so on... you begin to internalize the reasons they're not calling, not texting, not writing. Somehow it becomes no longer their fault, but yours. You must have either not done something, done something wrong, missed something, or are simply not good enough.

It was like that for part of the last time I was unemployed, The phone wouldn't ring for days or weeks, then when it did I would almost sh*t myself. I stayed near the computer, checking me e-mail a dozen times an hour. I never turned my cellphone off. I barely left the apartment from 6 am to 6 pm, just in case there might possibly be someone who wanted to contact me.


Oh, jeez, all true. I'm not sure which is worse: The empty black hole, no-one-will-ever-call-me-back feeling, or the sudden spike of panic/hope when the phone rings, followed by the downward crash of it being a social call or a random phone surveyer or something.
 
2012-06-16 09:01:39 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: But now that I'm married with kids I would pay someone for a legitimate reason to get out of the house.


That's pretty much the exact same feeling many stay-at-home parents have. For some, being a SAHP is an unparalleled joy; for others (like myself) it was one day of misery after another.
 
2012-06-16 09:16:46 PM  

KiplingKat872: Boudica's War Tampon: bekovich: Cant say I've noticed an increase in depression levels. They're about the same. I've been unemployed for some time, and certainly the monotony, the loneliness and the absolute lack of dignity in taking handouts from the government are very damaging.
The alcohol consumption now, that is a concern. Over the last couple of months I have noticed a litre a week or so has become a litre a day.
But that will stop as soon as I get a Job. I Can Stop Any Time I Want!

Seriously, if you are drinking that much, maybe you might consider putting the bottle up on a shelf and turning on Blackadder bloopers on YouTube. The one with Stephen Frye making Hugh Laurie leave the set because he was making funny faces at Frye is hilarious. Nothing like a WWI general presiding over a court martial pointing fingers at an actor while giggling uncontrollably.

I needed a giggle. Thanks for that.


You're welcome.
 
2012-06-16 09:53:03 PM  
I've always been confused why unemployment doesn't make people do work on things like beautifying the community, or if they are skilled, repairing roads/schools/etc. Just seems obvious to most folks.

Best of luck to anyone here unemployed. Mother in law AND sister in law now both living with me and my wife (and child) while they continue looking for work so they can get a place of their own again. Makes for an interesting living situation, to say the least.
 
2012-06-16 10:14:22 PM  
Husband and I swapped stay-at-home parent duties. He got a job offer for ungodly amounts of money and, of course, took the job. Now he's gone two weeks out of every three. Leaving me home allll alone with the...precious little...bundleofjoy. I've worked most of my life, though my last job I was able to work from home a lot. That was still very different than being at home with no work. I liked work. I liked talking to adults. I liked leaving the house even if it was only running into the office for a bit. Now I'm home all the time. With It. If I do go out, it's with It. I've tried hiring a sitter a few hours a day so I could take a class or two a week, but my last sitter was poached and I can't find another. I'm losing my goddamned mind.
 
2012-06-17 12:47:23 AM  

dforkus: Depressing thread is depressing.

Currently a SW engineer, made really poor career choices working with dead technologies (Java Swing), at a dying company, will be unemployed soon. Enough unix to be functional, but not call myself an admin, enough oracle to do what I need, but not enough to call myself a DBA, enough JBOSS and Hibernate to diagnose and fix basic problems but not enough to be the "guru".

Doing the dance, looking for a new job, but I don't know if it's happening...

I need to get better trained on web-facing/web-supporting technologies. Is getting a .net certification worth it? (did ASP.net and C# a little bit 4 years ago, so I'm not completely in the dark). Playing with web development using the GWT too, very easy to grasp with my Java background.

Surprising, but I get recruiters asking more about my experience in .net than what I have did with Java, a lot of .net shops in the Atlanta area...

Seriously considering a career switch, geting a LPN, and then maybe an RN. It would be nice to actually help people. Anybody else make that jump? I'm 38 and in good physical shape...


I made a somewhat similar jump. I was a programmer and had periodic bouts of unemployment. And when I was working, I wasn't particularly happy. I went back to school (at 39) to get a masters degree in counselling. I can't tell you how it turns out yet - I just finished my very last class on Monday so the serious job-searching is just starting now. But I've learned a lot and my internship was a fantastic experience. My job prospects are good - not amazing, but good - and it turns out this is not a bad field to enter at 40ish. I think a lot of clients prefer that their counsellor has a bit of life experience.

/Very lucky to have hubby & parents for financial support.
//I don't officially graduate until October, but I went to Ottawa ComicCon last month and got a pic with Marina Sirtis. I'm wearing a cap and gown and she's handing me a fake diploma.
 
2012-06-17 01:00:00 AM  

Ornery Alien: dforkus: Depressing thread is depressing.

Currently a SW engineer, made really poor career choices working with dead technologies (Java Swing), at a dying company, will be unemployed soon. Enough unix to be functional, but not call myself an admin, enough oracle to do what I need, but not enough to call myself a DBA, enough JBOSS and Hibernate to diagnose and fix basic problems but not enough to be the "guru".

Doing the dance, looking for a new job, but I don't know if it's happening...

I need to get better trained on web-facing/web-supporting technologies. Is getting a .net certification worth it? (did ASP.net and C# a little bit 4 years ago, so I'm not completely in the dark). Playing with web development using the GWT too, very easy to grasp with my Java background.

Surprising, but I get recruiters asking more about my experience in .net than what I have did with Java, a lot of .net shops in the Atlanta area...

Seriously considering a career switch, geting a LPN, and then maybe an RN. It would be nice to actually help people. Anybody else make that jump? I'm 38 and in good physical shape...

I made a somewhat similar jump. I was a programmer and had periodic bouts of unemployment. And when I was working, I wasn't particularly happy. I went back to school (at 39) to get a masters degree in counselling. I can't tell you how it turns out yet - I just finished my very last class on Monday so the serious job-searching is just starting now. But I've learned a lot and my internship was a fantastic experience. My job prospects are good - not amazing, but good - and it turns out this is not a bad field to enter at 40ish. I think a lot of clients prefer that their counsellor has a bit of life experience.

/Very lucky to have hubby & parents for financial support.
//I don't officially graduate until October, but I went to Ottawa ComicCon last month and got a pic with Marina Sirtis. I'm wearing a cap and gown and she's handing me a fake diploma.


Counseling eh? maybe I'm weird but I'd rather deal with people's physical crap than their mental...
 
2012-06-17 08:49:27 PM  
I'll either end up a statistic on the news one day, or I won't, and I'll get a job. One or the other will happen eventually. I keep trying for the job thing and eking out funds trying to keep a roof and a job hunt. I wake up, I do the day thing, it gets dark, I go to bed and sleep and do the night thing, it gets light again.

I feel like a robot running the "drunkard's walk" algorithm. Over and over. And the economy is constantly and randomly placing and removing jobs on the game board around all the other robots running "drunkard's walk." That's a pretty close metaphor for the portion of the job search process that isn't skill.

The big blue room is spinning. Make it stop.
 
2012-06-17 08:53:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I could see how it could be soul crushing if you had a family (especially children) and you couldn't provide for them and had to scrape by on some form of government assistance.

But, if you are unattached, it can actually be pretty damn awesome. I was able to live a very comfortable 'college-kid' style lifestyle with the unemployment money. Most days, I'd sleep in until 10am, check a few online websites/apply for jobs. By 11am I was done. It was great. I had all the free time in the world to do things that interested me. I suddenly had time to cook healthy food/go on a diet. I had time to run 3x a week and money to go to the gym 3x a week. I'd take my sweet time getting ready, spend a lot of time on Facebook and lolpics and get to the gym by 1pm. By 2:30pm I was back at home.

I took up drawing. That was cool, but I'm terrible at it.
I also started playing my guitar again. And without the pressures of school/work I could do all those other fun things *AND* practice 30-45 minutes a day. My playing improved *A LOT*.

And whenever any of my friends wanted to do anything....I was down. I was never tired from work. Never busy with crap I didn't want to do. A few of my friends would stop at a bar on their way home from work around 5:30 - I'd meet up with them. Friday and Saturday nights, I was always up for going out drinking and socializing. I met a lot of new people just by going out more. I had a lot of fun.

To be honest, it was pretty awesome. It was exactly like college, but without the classes.

Socially, being unemployed made me feel a little uncomfortable; so I lied about it. Short-term, it was great.


How did you pay your rent / mortgage?

When I was unemployed a couple of years ago I received $220 per week in unemployment benefits. I was lucky since I was able to live rent free with a relative because that is not enough to pay rent anywhere in Sydney. Even though I wasn't paying rent I had expenses carried over from my previous gainfully employed life which ate up all of my income.
 
2012-06-17 09:24:41 PM  

Gothnet: I stay up late to watch crap and I'm employed.

Also very tired.


Get a TiVO, dude.
 
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