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(Some Guy)   The second 40 worst Rob Liefeld drawings have been compiled, and you'll see plenty of pouches, manboobs, and women with horribly deformed spines and head-sized breasts. But don't expect to see any feet   (progressiveboink.com) divider line 169
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2012-06-16 07:38:51 AM
Let's just get this out of the way at the beginning...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-16 08:03:02 AM
You say "head-sized breasts" like there's something wrong with that.
 
2012-06-16 08:05:13 AM

St_Francis_P: You say "head-sized breasts" like there's something wrong with that.


When Liefeld is drawing them, there is.
 
2012-06-16 08:24:29 AM
Mannnnn.... this guy... He draws like an optimistic 8th grader.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-16 08:27:48 AM
You know as much as this guy sucks, he has drew for some of the biggest titles in the 90's. Guy probably made a lot of money. I can't draw, but if someone paid me to draw Captain America, I'd probably farking give it a go. And being made fun of on the internet afterward would not bother me in the least. (sorry "pencil" not draw, it's better than being a tracer. JK tried inking once. It's more difficult than it looks).
 
2012-06-16 08:38:36 AM
assets.sbnation.com

Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?

/especially after that whole Image comics fiasco
 
2012-06-16 08:40:07 AM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: [assets.sbnation.com image 454x703]

Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?

/especially after that whole Image comics fiasco


Well, DC Comics is currently run by fanboys and one of the guys who helped drive Marvel into Bankruptcy in the 90s, so...
 
2012-06-16 08:53:50 AM
My god, its full of pouches!
 
2012-06-16 08:58:23 AM
Bizarrely, Liefeld is only the second worst Captain America artist in my memory.

For the absolute worst you have to go back to the "Falcon is actually a deep cover agent created by the Red Skull" retcon of, what, the 1970s? If I cared more I'd look up the details. But I don't.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled mocking of Rob Liefeld.
 
2012-06-16 09:21:28 AM

czetie: Bizarrely, Liefeld is only the second worst Captain America artist in my memory.

For the absolute worst you have to go back to the "Falcon is actually a deep cover agent created by the Red Skull" retcon of, what, the 1970s? If I cared more I'd look up the details. But I don't.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled mocking of Rob Liefeld.


At least anything put out during the 70s has an excuse: it was the 70s, they probably didn't come down from whatever the fark they were taking until halfway through the 80s.

Liefeld? That man has no excuse, just a complete and utter lack of talent.
 
2012-06-16 09:24:20 AM
Every Liefeld drawing is like a car crash, I can't not look and boggle. I remember buying a bunch of these comics in the 90's as a kid and thinking "damn, look at those thighs! That's crazy!"
 
2012-06-16 09:33:17 AM
Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?
1.bp.blogspot.com
Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?
 
2012-06-16 09:39:41 AM

BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?


Now this is a troll for the ages.
 
2012-06-16 09:42:28 AM
When Image comics started taking off, didnt RL bring in a bunch of "artists" that drew just like him?
 
2012-06-16 09:49:19 AM

BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?


Well played, sir. Well played indeed.
 
2012-06-16 09:53:22 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic: BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Now this is a troll for the ages.


You laugh, but 100 years from now when an original Liefeld goes for $1M, you won't be laughing so much.
 
2012-06-16 09:54:15 AM

St_Francis_P: Mawson of the Antarctic: BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Now this is a troll for the ages.

You laugh, but 100 years from now when an original Liefeld goes for $1M, you won't be laughing so much.


Of course he won't... he'll be long dead.
 
2012-06-16 09:55:34 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic:
Now this is a troll for the ages.


Dr. Jekyl:
Well played, sir. Well played indeed.


I honestly don't think Rob Liefeld will be appreciated until long after he is dead. That is to say, I'd appreciate it if he were dead.
 
2012-06-16 09:55:41 AM

FirstNationalBastard: St_Francis_P: Mawson of the Antarctic: BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Now this is a troll for the ages.

You laugh, but 100 years from now when an original Liefeld goes for $1M, you won't be laughing so much.

Of course he won't... he'll be long dead.


Thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-06-16 10:00:57 AM
s3-media4.ak.yelpcdn.com

Mussels and breasts.
 
2012-06-16 10:09:50 AM
I remember Rob Liefeld really coming on the scene in the early 90s and thinking his artwork was the most awesomest thing ever. In my defense, I was about 13. What more could I want than giant boobs and giant guns? I still think Liefeld is the greatest comic artist a 13 year-old could hope for.



On a related note, Tarot is one of the best worst comics ever. The writing is beyond abysmal, with the creater having absolutely no idea how to plot or pace anything, but the strange thing is, the artwork is not bad. The whole series is a porno/exploitation that the artist makes all of the women look like porn stars with huge porn-star breasts and shaved porn-star crotches (including Samantha Brown's haunted vagina), but the writer/artist who does the comic really believes that he's empowering women's sexuality with it. It's such an amazing train-wreck that it's hard to look away.
 
2012-06-16 10:12:24 AM
paneloftheday.files.wordpress.com

There it is. I couldn't hotlink the other haunted vagina.
 
2012-06-16 10:18:40 AM

Baron Harkonnen: I remember Rob Liefeld really coming on the scene in the early 90s and thinking his artwork was the most awesomest thing ever. In my defense, I was about 13. What more could I want than giant boobs and giant guns? I still think Liefeld is the greatest comic artist a 13 year-old could hope for.



On a related note, Tarot is one of the best worst comics ever. The writing is beyond abysmal, with the creater having absolutely no idea how to plot or pace anything, but the strange thing is, the artwork is not bad. The whole series is a porno/exploitation that the artist makes all of the women look like porn stars with huge porn-star breasts and shaved porn-star crotches (including Samantha Brown's haunted vagina), but the writer/artist who does the comic really believes that he's empowering women's sexuality with it. It's such an amazing train-wreck that it's hard to look away.


If nothing else, Jim Balent is empowering chubby chicks to send nudes of themselves in to be printed in the back of the book.
 
2012-06-16 10:20:07 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Baron Harkonnen: I remember Rob Liefeld really coming on the scene in the early 90s and thinking his artwork was the most awesomest thing ever. In my defense, I was about 13. What more could I want than giant boobs and giant guns? I still think Liefeld is the greatest comic artist a 13 year-old could hope for.



On a related note, Tarot is one of the best worst comics ever. The writing is beyond abysmal, with the creater having absolutely no idea how to plot or pace anything, but the strange thing is, the artwork is not bad. The whole series is a porno/exploitation that the artist makes all of the women look like porn stars with huge porn-star breasts and shaved porn-star crotches (including Samantha Brown's haunted vagina), but the writer/artist who does the comic really believes that he's empowering women's sexuality with it. It's such an amazing train-wreck that it's hard to look away.

If nothing else, Jim Balent is empowering chubby chicks to send nudes of themselves in to be printed in the back of the book.


Wait what? Some comic is printing pics of naked chubby chicks in the back?
 
2012-06-16 10:22:19 AM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?


Wat

I keep staring at that drawing wondering exactly what's supposed to be depicted there.

And I understand someone got paid to put that on paper?
 
2012-06-16 10:24:10 AM
How can one draw regularly for twenty years without improving one damn bit?
 
2012-06-16 10:27:52 AM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: [assets.sbnation.com image 454x703]

Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?

/especially after that whole Image comics fiasco


I never read Youngblood. Is that dude supposed to have a tiny head and massive amounts of scarring on his arms?
 
2012-06-16 10:29:42 AM
img13.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-16 10:38:42 AM

BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 561x700]
Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?


I dunno. I'm going to lapse into snob-speak here, but look at plasticity and freeness of shape, the elegance of gesture, the geometry of the arrangement of it all on the canvas. Liefeld has absolutely farking none of that. Wooden, stiff, lumpen, misshapen figures, produced by someone obviously and completely optically unaware, just dropped unthinkingly upon the page. It would be one thing if he were new, and could get better. Picasso's "Blue Period" stuff and even some of the early Cubism sucked donkey dicks. Liefeld's been around a long time, though, and he's not improving.
 
2012-06-16 10:43:18 AM
I got through ten of those and just have to express my absolute amazeballs that someone gets paid to draw that stuff. Every single time I look at a Liefield I have to shake my head in flat-out wonderment. My biggest question is whether I would have eaten this shiat up at age 13. I don't remember being functionally retarded, but I understand that's how 13 year old boys basically are. And SOMEONE's gotta be buying this stuff.
 
2012-06-16 10:47:04 AM
Not so different from the rest of today's derivative comic art.
 
2012-06-16 10:48:02 AM
i.imgur.com

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?
 
2012-06-16 10:55:47 AM

FirstNationalBastard: St_Francis_P: Mawson of the Antarctic: BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Now this is a troll for the ages.

You laugh, but 100 years from now when an original Liefeld goes for $1M, you won't be laughing so much.

Of course he won't... he'll be long dead.


And $1M will buy a hot dog.
 
2012-06-16 11:00:49 AM
Woman and cyborg drawn by an artist known for stretching the bounds of anatomical beauty.

dl.dropbox.com

Woman and cyborg drawn by a twelve year old.

dl.dropbox.com

forgotmydamnusername: I'm going to lapse into snob-speak here, but look at plasticity and freeness of shape, the elegance of gesture, the geometry of the arrangement of it all on the canvas. Liefeld has absolutely farking none of that. Wooden, stiff, lumpen, misshapen figures, produced by someone obviously and completely optically unaware, just dropped unthinkingly upon the page.


I don't understand a word of what you've said, but I agree!

An argument can be made for drawing action scenes or a piece of emotive art with an abstract, misshapen, approach. Rippling muscles and pointy teeth help to drive the image of raging testosterone in the character.

...But when he does it for character establishing cover art, one begins to wonder if the man knows how to draw.

/HUMAN SPINES DO NOT BEND THAT WAY!!
 
2012-06-16 11:03:43 AM
Ahhh, this explains it. Liefield learned to draw by tracing Nagel posters from the early 80s. Badly.

assets.sbnation.com

HOW THE FARK DO YOU GET A JOB DRAWING SUCH CRAP?
 
2012-06-16 11:08:12 AM

Zombalupagus: This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such


It's less about "out of order" and more, "Liefeld doesn't plan his drawings _at all_." He just sits there with a pencil and starts drawing. He doesn't think about the scene or what it's going to communicate. He doesn't think about composition. He just starts scribbling and keeps adding lines until it sort of looks like a person- a heavily deformed person, but still a person.

And when the scene doesn't pop enough, he adds more lines, and more weapons. He just keeps adding stuff until he gets bored with that panel and moves on to the next one.
 
2012-06-16 11:08:45 AM

Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?


Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
www.meridian.net.au

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.
 
ecl
2012-06-16 11:10:49 AM
assets.sbnation.com


Cyborg cum. Wolverine is pissed for a reason.
 
2012-06-16 11:12:32 AM
I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.
 
2012-06-16 11:16:33 AM
I met him at a signing at the local comic book shop when I was in high school, back in the mid/early 90's. He was a bit of a douche.
 
2012-06-16 11:17:10 AM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


Brian Bolland, Dave Gibbons, Darick Robertson, Steve Dillon, Stephen Sadowski ,Peter Krause, Mike McKone

Or, if you want something more stylized, Mike Weiringo.

...and those are more modern artists. Some classics are Kurt Schaffenberger, George Perez, Curt Swan, Jose Luis Garcia Lopez,
 
2012-06-16 11:17:39 AM

FastJeff: Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?


My personal favorite artist is James Stokoe, and his comic Orc Stain is one of the most visually pleasing things I've ever seen in comics. For cartoony anatomy done right, Skullkickers does a good job (and it's pretty funny to boot). Similarly, Chew is probably the best mixture of cartoony and gross-out visuals out there (it's also pretty funny).
 
2012-06-16 11:18:01 AM
(Having recently turned 30 years old recently) I decided I wanted to learn to draw, so I went to a half priced books the other day and bought a couple "learn to draw" books. Thanks to TFA I now know I should be able to get a high paying job as a comic book artist in short order.

Seriously though, whats the story here? How is it that someone who is soooo bad at drawing the human form can be so prolific within the comic book industry? Is it something along the lines of some two bit hack like Ke$ha putting out #1 singles while singers with actual, genuine talent remain in obscurity?
 
2012-06-16 11:19:41 AM

FastJeff: All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


Uwe Boll can direct movies better then you can, therefore they are "good"

Stephanie Moyer can write a novel better then you can, therefore they are "good"

Just because somebody can do something you can't, doesn't mean they can do it well. I can bake a cake that is edible, doesn't mean I am good at baking.
 
2012-06-16 11:22:43 AM

BigLuca: Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?

Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
[www.meridian.net.au image 640x611]

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.


But Liefeld doesn't play with perspective, he's just close to totally unaware of it. Who are you doing next, Rembrandt? May as well go for broke. The original troll is hard to top.
 
2012-06-16 11:28:10 AM
I'm pretty sure that these girls have wieners.

assets.sbnation.com
 
2012-06-16 11:37:15 AM
BigLuca that might be the best troll I've ever seen
 
2012-06-16 11:48:02 AM
www.friendsofart.netassets.sbnation.com
Liefeld has obviously been greatly influenced by Salvador Dali. Whereas Dali used elephants with long skinny legs to create a sense of weightlessness, Liefeld uses the same technique as a type of character commentary.

also
employees.oneonta.eduassets.sbnation.com
 
2012-06-16 11:51:29 AM
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-16 11:51:33 AM

NateAsbestos: BigLuca that might be the best troll I've ever seen


Thanks. I should be doing other stuff, but this is a lot more fun.
 
2012-06-16 11:52:08 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Brian Bolland, Dave Gibbons, Darick Robertson, Steve Dillon, Stephen Sadowski ,Peter Krause, Mike McKone

Or, if you want something more stylized, Mike Weiringo.

...and those are more modern artists. Some classics are Kurt Schaffenberger, George Perez, Curt Swan, Jose Luis Garcia Lopez,



t3knomanser: FastJeff: Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

My personal favorite artist is James Stokoe, and his comic Orc Stain is one of the most visually pleasing things I've ever seen in comics. For cartoony anatomy done right, Skullkickers does a good job (and it's pretty funny to boot). Similarly, Chew is probably the best mixture of cartoony and gross-out visuals out there (it's also pretty funny).


I'll take a look.
 
2012-06-16 11:52:47 AM
Shiatty as RL is, I couldn't "hear" the article over the sound of the author furiously grudge fapping.
 
2012-06-16 12:01:30 PM

forgotmydamnusername: BigLuca: Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?

Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
[www.meridian.net.au image 640x611]

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.

But Liefeld doesn't play with perspective, he's just close to totally unaware of it. Who are you doing next, Rembrandt? May as well go for broke. The original troll is hard to top.


Rembrandt doesn't have anything on Liefeld. If you wanted to create a Rembrandt today, just take a picture of your kids church play. The only thing he is good for is knowing historical continuity and evolution of art. Need to be free of the shackles of literal interpretation to create the kind of societal homonculus in Liefeld's design. I mean, Rembrandt was a necessary step to get to where we are today, but we are past him now.
 
2012-06-16 12:03:39 PM

Subdue their bellies: When Image comics started taking off, didnt RL bring in a bunch of "artists" that drew just like him?




pretty much. Aside from that label feeling like a Poochie version of Marvel, it's why I had no interest in Image.
 
2012-06-16 12:03:55 PM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: [assets.sbnation.com image 454x703]

Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?

/especially after that whole Image comics fiasco


It's...it's like Homestar Runner crossed with Darkseid.
 
2012-06-16 12:20:38 PM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


I like Eric Powell.
 
2012-06-16 12:33:13 PM

czetie: Bizarrely, Liefeld is only the second worst Captain America artist in my memory.

For the absolute worst you have to go back to the "Falcon is actually a deep cover agent created by the Red Skull" retcon of, what, the 1970s? If I cared more I'd look up the details. But I don't.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled mocking of Rob Liefeld.


I'm going to assume you're not talking Sal Buscema or Gil Kane and guess Frank Robbins.

www.comicsreporter.com

While his style is somewhat jarring in the middle of a run of more mainstream artists and just plain shocking following Kaluta on The Shadow, Robbins work was expressive and dynamic. He may not be to your liking, but he was a real artist on par with the likes of Romita, Buscema or Adams.

Liefeld is just a mess who either can't or doesn't want to get any better.
 
2012-06-16 12:39:09 PM

FirstNationalBastard: FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.

Brian Bolland, Dave Gibbons, Darick Robertson, Steve Dillon, Stephen Sadowski ,Peter Krause, Mike McKone

Or, if you want something more stylized, Mike Weiringo.

...and those are more modern artists. Some classics are Kurt Schaffenberger, George Perez, Curt Swan, Jose Luis Garcia Lopez,


Kirby is still the king.
 
2012-06-16 12:42:01 PM
Reminds me of the art of Pat Lee for Transformers comics
tfwiki.net

TFWiki Article
 
2012-06-16 12:50:10 PM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: [assets.sbnation.com image 454x703]

Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?

/especially after that whole Image comics fiasco


Strong Sad is on steroids?!
 
2012-06-16 12:57:20 PM
 
2012-06-16 01:00:35 PM

BigLuca: forgotmydamnusername: BigLuca: Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?

Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
[www.meridian.net.au image 640x611]

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.

But Liefeld doesn't play with perspective, he's just close to totally unaware of it. Who are you doing next, Rembrandt? May as well go for broke. The original troll is hard to top.

Rembrandt doesn't have anything on Liefeld. If you wanted to create a Rembrandt today, just take a picture of your kids church play. The only thing he is good for is knowing historical continuity and evolution of art. Need to be free of the shackles of literal interpretation to create the kind of societal homonculus in Liefeld's design. I mean, Rembrandt was a necessary step to get to where we are today, but we are past him now.


This is why we can't have a nice Zeitgeist.
 
2012-06-16 01:00:44 PM

BigLuca: forgotmydamnusername: BigLuca: Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?

Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
[www.meridian.net.au image 640x611]

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.

But Liefeld doesn't play with perspective, he's just close to totally unaware of it. Who are you doing next, Rembrandt? May as well go for broke. The original troll is hard to top.

Rembrandt doesn't have anything on Liefeld. If you wanted to create a Rembrandt today, just take a picture of your kids church play. The only thing he is good for is knowing historical continuity and evolution of art. Need to be free of the shackles of literal interpretation to create the kind of societal homonculus in Liefeld's design. I mean, Rembrandt was a necessary step to get to where we are today, but we are past him now.


Yea, you're right. Rembrandt is pretty awful. We're way past him.

Example of an awful Rembrandt
 
2012-06-16 01:01:55 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: [assets.sbnation.com image 454x703]

Oh god, he did it twice! WTF is wrong with this man and why does he keep getting rehired!?

/especially after that whole Image comics fiasco

Well, DC Comics is currently run by fanboys and one of the guys who helped drive Marvel into Bankruptcy in the 90s, so...


Actually I'd argue its run by corporate suits who wouldn't know a word balloon from one of Rob Liefeld's breasts. Its mouthpieces are fanboys.

/Also I saw lots of feet in TFA.
//"Women with waists the size of their wrists, standing like they're trying to take a shiat on a swingset." perfectly describes most comics since 1989.
 
2012-06-16 01:16:44 PM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


I feel really dirty mentioning these two in a Liefeld thread, but...

i280.photobucket.com
Bryan Hitch, one of the best pencillers working today.

marvelitesxmen.files.wordpress.com
Alex Ross, who I'm pretty sure is an avatar of an art god.
 
mhd
2012-06-16 01:23:29 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-16 01:27:48 PM
Personally I thank the lord for the existence of Rob Liefeld every time I completely fark up a drawing.
 
2012-06-16 01:28:06 PM

Whiplash!!!: BigLuca: forgotmydamnusername: BigLuca: Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?

Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
[www.meridian.net.au image 640x611]

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.

But Liefeld doesn't play with perspective, he's just close to totally unaware of it. Who are you doing next, Rembrandt? May as well go for broke. The original troll is hard to top.

Rembrandt doesn't have anything on Liefeld. If you wanted to create a Rembrandt today, just take a picture of your kids church play. The only thing he is good for is knowing historical continuity and evolution of art. Need to be free of the shackles of literal interpretation to create the kind of societal homonculus in Liefeld's design. I mean, Rembrandt was a necessary step to get to where we are today, but we are past him now.

Yea, you're right. Rembrandt is pretty awful. We're way past him.

Example of an awful Rembrandt


That's ok. But if religious realism is your thing you should really check out some Thomas Kinkade. Way better than Rembrandt.
framingpainting.com
You got Santa Claus in a sleigh on a snowy christmas morning. Like something straight out of the bible.
 
2012-06-16 01:30:06 PM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


Here's a couple of my favorites:

J. H. Williams III:

media.comicvine.com

Darick Robertson:

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2012-06-16 01:30:32 PM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants. Pretry much spoiled me for a lot of artists.

Alex Ross does some amazing workk too.
 
2012-06-16 01:33:33 PM
Gah, sorry about typos. At least I got "Sienkiewcz" right.
 
2012-06-16 01:34:52 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?


I like how he uses a straight edge to draw a blade, perspective be damned.

Sadly, it's how I drew the Ninja turtles... when I was 7.
 
2012-06-16 01:51:08 PM

KiplingKat872: My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants.


Regardless of what you think of Sienkeiwicz, Barry Smith, Romita Jr., Giffen, Frank Miller or any number of other guys, at least you can see their work develop over time, some effort at improvement of their craft or exploration of their abilities.

Glancing at his new 52 work I see hardly any change from Leifeld, though I admit I never paid much attention.
 
2012-06-16 01:56:13 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants.

Regardless of what you think of Sienkeiwicz, Barry Smith, Romita Jr., Giffen, Frank Miller or any number of other guys, at least you can see their work develop over time, some effort at improvement of their craft or exploration of their abilities.

Glancing at his new 52 work I see hardly any change from Leifeld, though I admit I never paid much attention.


And that's the astonishing thing. Clearly, it's not a conscious style choice. It's that's all he is capable of. And he has so far to go in terms of understanding perspective and anatomy, you'd think you'd see massive leaps in quality over the years, as many of his problems are the sort that get explained in basic "how to draw" books, not least of which would be "how to draw the Marvel way." Or hell, that matchbook with "can you draw this pirate" on the back, though I'm now imagining that pirate with 108 teeth and a dagger sitting betwixt those teeth, going at an odd straight angle away from the hilt.
 
2012-06-16 02:05:14 PM

way south: forgotmydamnusername: I'm going to lapse into snob-speak here, but look at plasticity and freeness of shape, the elegance of gesture, the geometry of the arrangement of it all on the canvas. Liefeld has absolutely farking none of that. Wooden, stiff, lumpen, misshapen figures, produced by someone obviously and completely optically unaware, just dropped unthinkingly upon the page.

I don't understand a word of what you've said, but I agree!

An argument can be made for drawing action scenes or a piece of emotive art with an abstract, misshapen, approach. Rippling muscles and pointy teeth help to drive the image of raging testosterone in the character.

...But when he does it for character establishing cover art, one begins to wonder if the man knows how to draw.

/HUMAN SPINES DO NOT BEND THAT WAY!!


Is that big guy's head supposed to look like it's just floating over his body?
 
2012-06-16 02:11:10 PM
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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
 
2012-06-16 02:11:40 PM
Just throwing out some Phil Noto love:

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2012-06-16 02:19:51 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants.

Regardless of what you think of Sienkeiwicz, Barry Smith, Romita Jr., Giffen, Frank Miller or any number of other guys, at least you can see their work develop over time, some effort at improvement of their craft or exploration of their abilities.

Glancing at his new 52 work I see hardly any change from Leifeld, though I admit I never paid much attention.


Actually, my point was Sienkiewcz set the bar very high for me in terms of artists. Highly atylized, but incredible composition.
 
2012-06-16 02:24:07 PM

Trocadero: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?


The sad thing when Land isn't using his light box, he actually can draw. Certainly better than Liefield. Land is just farking lazy and traces everything, which makes his compsitions awkward because he is trying to jam elements together that don't fit.
 
2012-06-16 02:28:52 PM
But Greg Land is another that fans keep asking, "Why do you keep hiring this guy?" The protest got so loud at one point Queseda addressed it by saying (and I paraphrase), "Well, he's a nice guy who needs a pay check."

Ignoring the fact there are a ton of nice people in need of a paycheck who can actually draw and would love a crack at a mainstream title.

Basic Land and Liefields careers prove that making it in comics has become about who you know.
 
2012-06-16 02:39:47 PM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?


Milo Manara
Ben Templesmith
Charles Vess
 
2012-06-16 02:40:13 PM
I think if i were the type to go to cons, and he were at one, i would bring along two of these.

m.cdn.blog.hu

One to get signed by him for teh lulz, and the other for him to keep.
 
2012-06-16 02:42:11 PM
If only someone could create an article featuring lame cracks about Nickelback, HILARIOUS album covers and done-to-death talking points about Rob Liefield. You could just publish the same article every day and watch the money roll in.
 
2012-06-16 02:52:52 PM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


i486.photobucket.com
Dale Keown's not too bad.
 
2012-06-16 03:01:25 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: If only someone could create an article featuring lame cracks about Nickelback, HILARIOUS album covers and done-to-death talking points about Rob Liefield. You could just publish the same article every day and watch the money roll in.


TFA is pretty old and has been posted here at least one other time. It's still funny every time I reread it though.
 
2012-06-16 03:03:14 PM
Sometimes I think, hey, maybe Liefield's not so bad, I'm not a comic geek, maybe he's pretty good for the genre. It's comics, right, how much artistry can there be?

And then people post stuff from other artists, stuff with style, forethought and an understanding of basic anatomy. People who learned how to draw human figures and perspective and blocking and composition and then went back and cultivated an actual personal style out of that basic skillset. People who actually seem to have put more than three hours into a drawing.

And then there's Liefield, who is still thinking that if you put enough lines in something, no one will notice that THEY'RE ALL WRONG.
 
2012-06-16 03:18:44 PM

FeedTheCollapse: TFA is pretty old


From TFA: "by SundownMotel on Jun 14, 2012 11:42 AM EDT"

I mean, wow, it's over two days old! Wow, those modmins are really slacking, greenlighting this ancient article that obviously has been read thousands of times before.

/ know how I know you didn't actually read TFA?
 
2012-06-16 03:30:46 PM

Current Resident: I'm pretty sure that these girls have wieners.

[assets.sbnation.com image 455x650]


That is the wost drawing of Domino I have ever seen.
 
2012-06-16 03:38:28 PM

Man On A Mission: FeedTheCollapse: TFA is pretty old

From TFA: "by SundownMotel on Jun 14, 2012 11:42 AM EDT"

I mean, wow, it's over two days old! Wow, those modmins are really slacking, greenlighting this ancient article that obviously has been read thousands of times before.

/ know how I know you didn't actually read TFA?




okay, touche. I saw the headline and just assumed it was the original article.
 
2012-06-16 03:41:39 PM

KiplingKat872: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants.

Regardless of what you think of Sienkeiwicz, Barry Smith, Romita Jr., Giffen, Frank Miller or any number of other guys, at least you can see their work develop over time, some effort at improvement of their craft or exploration of their abilities.

Glancing at his new 52 work I see hardly any change from Leifeld, though I admit I never paid much attention.

Actually, my point was Sienkiewcz set the bar very high for me in terms of artists. Highly atylized, but incredible composition.


My point was Sienkiewicz started as a slavish Neal Adams imitator and developed over time. I didn't want to get into the relative merits of any artists as that tends to get very subjective but whether anyone likes his work or not they still would have to admit that he's challenged himself and evolved as an artist.

Liefeld, on the other hand, started awful and changed nothing as far as I can tell.

If I were him I would find a GREAT inker and just trace over Kane or Infantino for some bare-bones breakdowns of covers and call it a day.
 
2012-06-16 04:16:52 PM
You know, it honestly doensn't bother me so much that Liefeld has impossible anatomy and insane muscles, etc. That's his style. I think it is a shiatty style, but these are comics not real life. People getting pedantic over how realistic the muscles are or how big the waists are is a little silly.

HOWEVER, I can not stand how farking lazy he is. The way he simply will not draw some characters hands or second leg, how he'll slap on a gun over a hand that clearly was originally holding something else, how he doesn't even erase errors sometimes. So farking lazy.
 
2012-06-16 04:20:43 PM
The best example of said laziness is the one in the first 40 worst drawings post where Feral and Shatterstar (I think) are talking to each other and their farking haircuts change each panel. Like just completely different hair styles and lengths from one second to the next.

It's one thing to make impossible 9 foot pony tails, another to have the 9 foot pony tail shrink to four inches in the next panel because you were too lazy to draw the character consistently.

Similarly: Cable's eye flash shiat changes which eye it appears in all the time.
 
2012-06-16 04:23:43 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants.

Regardless of what you think of Sienkeiwicz, Barry Smith, Romita Jr., Giffen, Frank Miller or any number of other guys, at least you can see their work develop over time, some effort at improvement of their craft or exploration of their abilities.

Glancing at his new 52 work I see hardly any change from Leifeld, though I admit I never paid much attention.

Actually, my point was Sienkiewcz set the bar very high for me in terms of artists. Highly atylized, but incredible composition.

My point was Sienkiewicz started as a slavish Neal Adams imitator and developed over time. I didn't want to get into the relative merits of any artists as that tends to get very subjective but whether anyone likes his work or not they still would have to admit that he's challenged himself and evolved as an artist.

Liefeld, on the other hand, started awful and changed nothing as far as I can tell.

If I were him I would find a GREAT inker and just trace over Kane or Infantino for some bare-bones breakdowns of covers and call it a day.


Er.., have you actually seen his New Mutants run?

I can see where his compositions may have influenced by Adams, but calling his work a "slavish" imitation is patently rediculous.
 
2012-06-16 04:24:25 PM

thunderbird8804: Alex Ross, who I'm pretty sure is an avatar of an art god.


I think Alex Ross more or less sucks. His shiat is totally soulless. Yes, he can paint realistically (he uses models so is truly drawing from life) but so what? The great artists have STYLE. We dont' remember Magritte or Dali or Picasso or Van Gogh because their stuff looked completely naturalistic. We remember them because they had original styles and visions.

Alex Ross is one of those technically great illustrators who is a boring artist. His work is like watching some guitar virtuoso do a bunch of technically hard solos, but who is unable to write a memorable song.
 
2012-06-16 04:27:58 PM
Like google Alex Ross and comics and ignore the technical aspect of the realism, and look at what's being drawn. Mostly a bunch of cheesy poses. (no wonder he is most famous for his covers, which can just be superheros in corny poses without worrying about any flow between panels). Everythign is stiff and wooden, no real personality and no flow when he does do panels.
 
2012-06-16 04:33:50 PM
Well, all damn day with this... so I far, I looked at...

Brian Bolland


That's the first name anybody mentioned, it's going to take forever to check out all the artists you guys mentioned. After much googling, I came to the conclusion that as close as Brian Bolland can get him, I don't think he's tapping right into how freakin crazy The Joker really is.... crazy enough to almost make sense. That 'The Killing Joke' was a good one. Some men want to see the world burn, some men want you to actually take a good, long look at it. All that's left to do after seeing how crazy we really are is laugh and laugh.
 
2012-06-16 04:35:21 PM

Dr. Whoof: way south: forgotmydamnusername: I'm going to lapse into snob-speak here, but look at plasticity and freeness of shape, the elegance of gesture, the geometry of the arrangement of it all on the canvas. Liefeld has absolutely farking none of that. Wooden, stiff, lumpen, misshapen figures, produced by someone obviously and completely optically unaware, just dropped unthinkingly upon the page.

I don't understand a word of what you've said, but I agree!

An argument can be made for drawing action scenes or a piece of emotive art with an abstract, misshapen, approach. Rippling muscles and pointy teeth help to drive the image of raging testosterone in the character.

...But when he does it for character establishing cover art, one begins to wonder if the man knows how to draw.

/HUMAN SPINES DO NOT BEND THAT WAY!!

Is that big guy's head supposed to look like it's just floating over his body?


The big guy is Canadian, go easy on him.

/no idea if this is true or not...
 
2012-06-16 04:35:59 PM

KiplingKat872: I can see where his compositions may have influenced by Adams, but calling his work a "slavish" imitation is patently rediculous.


STARTED. Try Moon Knight and earlier.

bronxbanter.arneson.name
 
2012-06-16 04:42:31 PM
I usually don't question artistic talent that is presented professionally. I naively assume the work is a style or is intended to look like that for a reason. People like me are how shiatty artists continue to make a living.
 
2012-06-16 04:43:16 PM
www.archiecomics.com

Thank god for the Sonic Adventure redesign.

/Felix the Hedgehog! The wonderful, wonderful hedgehog!
 
2012-06-16 04:46:38 PM

KiplingKat872: Er.., have you actually seen his New Mutants run?


Yes.

And I wasn't insulting him. All artists start somewhere.
 
2012-06-16 04:55:33 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: I can see where his compositions may have influenced by Adams, but calling his work a "slavish" imitation is patently rediculous.

STARTED. Try Moon Knight and earlier.


O.k. I guess I was reading your posts as more negative of Sienkiewcz work on the New Mutants than you intended. It seemed like you were coming at me over it.
 
2012-06-16 05:08:20 PM

MayoSlather: I usually don't question artistic talent that is presented professionally. I naively assume the work is a style or is intended to look like that for a reason. People like me are how shiatty artists continue to make a living.


Same here.

I'm 32 now, so I was just the right age (read:13) when I came across Liefeld. I was never a comic book collector, but my two older brothers were, and I would always read their new issues when they brought them home. I can remember reading them and looking at the tiny feet, the weird bendy women, the pouches, the swords that changed angles, and thinking "Well, I guess that's how you draw these things."

It wasn't until years later that I realized I was right! It was stupid looking!
 
2012-06-16 05:09:47 PM

KiplingKat872: It seemed like you were coming at me over it.


I could have been clearer. My main point was Liefeld's lack of improvement and apparent disdain for simple competence. But it's guys like him that gave me a real appreciation of artists like Don Heck and George Tuska. They're not flashy but at least you can tell what's going on.
 
2012-06-16 05:11:58 PM
media.instocktrades.com

One of my favorite artists (Obviously), even though he seems to have a hatred of putting a lot of detail into noses... if any at all. Does excellent outfits, proportions and machines, though.
 
2012-06-16 05:16:18 PM
I HATE Rob Liefeld's work. Everything about it. His deformed people, musculature invented anew for each person, awkward poses, and the fact that you can't tell the foreground from the background or tell what the hell is going on in half his drawings.

That said, the original "40 worst" included this drawing:

assets.sbnation.com

I love everything about the above panels. It's the one instance where his style--as he used it here--actually works. Not drawing superheroes, but a grizzled, dying loser with a great pained expression in a "noir" setting.

The other 79 examples are all puke-a-riffic, but this one a great. I even forgive the deformed hand.
 
2012-06-16 05:18:18 PM
Get some real stylings...

www.nuestroscomics.com

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2012-06-16 05:35:48 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: It seemed like you were coming at me over it.

I could have been clearer. My main point was Liefeld's lack of improvement and apparent disdain for simple competence. But it's guys like him that gave me a real appreciation of artists like Don Heck and George Tuska. They're not flashy but at least you can tell what's going on.


Ah, well then I am in complete agreement. One of the reasons I would not list John Byrne as a great comic book artist is that while he is iconic and technically competant, certainly far better than Liefeld, he has not evolved in 30 years.
 
JW
2012-06-16 06:11:36 PM
How has Francis Manapul not been mentioned yet??

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robot6.comicbookresources.com

http://francismanapul.com
 
JW
2012-06-16 06:12:53 PM
One more manapul if I can get it in ...

st3.speedforce.org
 
2012-06-16 06:58:04 PM

KiplingKat872: FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.

My first exposure to comics was the Bill Sienkiewicz run of Marvel's New Mutants. Pretry much spoiled me for a lot of artists.


Those were indeed good times.

Need to mention Steranko here because his name hasn't come up yet. One of the greatest.
 
2012-06-16 06:59:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: While his style is somewhat jarring in the middle of a run of more mainstream artists and just plain shocking following Kaluta on The Shadow, Robbins work was expressive and dynamic. He may not be to your liking, but he was a real artist on par with the likes of Romita, Buscema or Adams.

Liefeld is just a mess who either can't or doesn't want to get any better.


Very possibly, if Robbins was the guy whose pictures of Captain America in motion always seemed bizarrely distorted and elongated. I recall that his work on the book was highly controversial at the time. I liked his work on some other books, but he was (IMO) just wrong for someone as athletic and anatomically perfected as Captain America.

Anyway, I award you 1000 Wayback points for figuring out what the hell I was talking about and for finding that image.

And I think we can all agree that Liefeld is equally talentless whatever book he is working on, unless somebody creates a superteam called Anatomical Freaks of America.
 
2012-06-16 07:04:14 PM

KiplingKat872: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: It seemed like you were coming at me over it.

I could have been clearer. My main point was Liefeld's lack of improvement and apparent disdain for simple competence. But it's guys like him that gave me a real appreciation of artists like Don Heck and George Tuska. They're not flashy but at least you can tell what's going on.

Ah, well then I am in complete agreement. One of the reasons I would not list John Byrne as a great comic book artist is that while he is iconic and technically competant, certainly far better than Liefeld, he has not evolved in 30 years.


The big difference there is that Byrne achieved a very high level of craft before stagnating (or even backsliding, IMO). Yes, Byrne's work had its flaws, but it also had some excellent qualities as well. Liefeld, though, is perfectly summarized by TFA and its predecessor--there's little about his work that even reaches the level of mediocrity, let alone competence. My favorite description of his work, from the old rec.comics days: "It stinks like microwaved shiat."

\nice to see Tuska mentioned, too
 
2012-06-16 07:08:22 PM

BigLuca: Whiplash!!!: BigLuca: forgotmydamnusername: BigLuca: Zombalupagus: [i.imgur.com image 453x700]

I find it odd that the author didn't mention the knife in this one. This is a perfect example of the draw things out of order thing and such. If you mentally remove the knife for a second, it's clear that this guys right arm is against his chest while his left is out resting on his thigh. Ok, now see the knife again. Did your head just assplode?

Do you know who else was criticized for his use of impossible objects and paradoxical spacial relations?
[www.meridian.net.au image 640x611]

Liefeld is just trying to bring a little high-brow surreal culture to a low-brow artistic medium and he is lambasted for not being "realistic" enough. Liefeld art is something you just need to experience ... view with your soul, not your eyes.

But Liefeld doesn't play with perspective, he's just close to totally unaware of it. Who are you doing next, Rembrandt? May as well go for broke. The original troll is hard to top.

Rembrandt doesn't have anything on Liefeld. If you wanted to create a Rembrandt today, just take a picture of your kids church play. The only thing he is good for is knowing historical continuity and evolution of art. Need to be free of the shackles of literal interpretation to create the kind of societal homonculus in Liefeld's design. I mean, Rembrandt was a necessary step to get to where we are today, but we are past him now.

Yea, you're right. Rembrandt is pretty awful. We're way past him.

Example of an awful Rembrandt

That's ok. But if religious realism is your thing you should really check out some Thomas Kinkade. Way better than Rembrandt.
[framingpainting.com image 640x409]
You got Santa Claus in a sleigh on a snowy christmas morning. Like something straight out of the bible.


This made me laugh. I have to quibble though; the lack of a velvet Jesus Presley makes it biblically inaccurate.
 
2012-06-16 07:18:57 PM

BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 561x700]
Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?


You know, if Rob Liefeld played to his strengths and weaknesses and actually produced a Picasso-esque comic book because he couldn't handle perspective and feet, I would probably buy it. The inker would just need to master pastels.
 
2012-06-16 07:19:55 PM

Sgt Otter: Current Resident: I'm pretty sure that these girls have wieners.

[assets.sbnation.com image 455x650]

That is the wost drawing of Domino I have ever seen.


Yeah. I'm not a huge comics reader these days, but I've had a soft-spot for Domino since middle school and I found that pick close to being offensively bad.
 
2012-06-16 07:27:18 PM

Christian Bale: The other 79 examples are all puke-a-riffic, but this one a great. I even forgive the deformed hand.


The thing I can't forgive about that panel is the half-gelcap cup that could never balance on its own. Every time I see it it drives me up the wall. And I would agree that the style worked if he toned down the cross-hatching "shadows" on the wall behind the guy to accentuate his plaid/check suit instead of looking like he's sitting next to a woven grass Japanese room divider.

'Sides, Eduardo Risso does noir really, really farking well. Not talking about just "show off your shiat" cover illustrations or "make the panels really overwrought and distracting because there's so much detail, either."

The guy has the economy of the visual medium down pat. Enough detail to catch the eye, knowing how to tell a visual story through implication, great stuff.
 
2012-06-16 07:37:39 PM

Bill Frist: That's his style.


It's certainly identified with him, but I'm not sure it's truly a stylistic choice other than the fact that he refuses to change or learn or grow as an artist. It's his style because he keeps doing it, no matter how wrong and terrible it is.

Because, here's the thing: your art does not need to be an anatomy drawing. I mentioned books like "Orc Stain" and "Chew" because they both have highly stylized anatomy. Same thing for "Invincible", although I don't think it's nearly as strong as the other two books.

It's not just that Liefeld's anatomy is bad, it's not just that every woman is a centaur-spined snake-beast with bewbs. It's that every character design he ever works with, whether his original design or not, ends up looking exactly the same. They all use the same facial expressions. They all use the same poses. They all are bristling with weapons (sword in each hand, two swords strapped to the back, in case the first two break).

It's obvious that he doesn't plan his drawings- you can see a bunch of different vanishing points in every panel because all he really did was draw a bunch of stuff without worrying too much about how it actually ties together in a scene.
 
2012-06-16 07:57:02 PM
 
2012-06-16 08:25:06 PM

t3knomanser: Bill Frist: That's his style.

It's certainly identified with him, but I'm not sure it's truly a stylistic choice other than the fact that he refuses to change or learn or grow as an artist. It's his style because he keeps doing it, no matter how wrong and terrible it is.

Because, here's the thing: your art does not need to be an anatomy drawing. I mentioned books like "Orc Stain" and "Chew" because they both have highly stylized anatomy. Same thing for "Invincible", although I don't think it's nearly as strong as the other two books.

It's not just that Liefeld's anatomy is bad, it's not just that every woman is a centaur-spined snake-beast with bewbs. It's that every character design he ever works with, whether his original design or not, ends up looking exactly the same. They all use the same facial expressions. They all use the same poses. They all are bristling with weapons (sword in each hand, two swords strapped to the back, in case the first two break).

It's obvious that he doesn't plan his drawings- you can see a bunch of different vanishing points in every panel because all he really did was draw a bunch of stuff without worrying too much about how it actually ties together in a scene.


There's also the fact that "THAT'S JUST MY STYLE" doesn't shield you from the criticism of "YOUR STYLE IS BAD."

Take this, for example:

i.imgur.com

This was the worst offender of the new batch for me. What the fark is happening here? Is Captain America going for a midnight power-walk in the rain before glancing sidelong at a giant sex offender he just noticed standing off to his left, looming sex-offensively over drenched practitioners of calisthenics?

What in the hell is even happening here:

i.imgur.com

Where in the fark is Cap's neck coming from? I can see where his spine is. I can see the little crease that runs down his back that indicates his spine, where his shoulder muscles connect.

For some reason, the bilaterally symmetrical star emblem on his back is off-center from this, slightly to the right. But ok, it's clothes, maybe it bunches up, right?

But then why is the middle of his neck even farther to the right of his body than that? What in the high holy fark happened to poor Captain America here? Is this a Bane-breaking-Batman's-back type of story line here, where Cap'n Merka gets his neck violently snapped? If so, why is he power walking? He really should have that set properly before attempting physio and rehab.

AGAIN, THE EXTREME LEFT SIDE OF CAP'S NECK IS FARTHER TO THE RIGHT THAN THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS SPINE.

If that's just Liefeld's "style", then his style sucks, period. But it's not. It's not Liefeld's style at all. It's just that Liefeld himself sucks. We know this. We can test this.

1. Where people deliberately subvert art's traditional expectations of anatomy and perspective, there's a clear indication that this is so. Picasso's Guernica is not a study in Pre-Raphaelite classical pose composition where out of nowhere the bull's head is growing out of its leg and it's wearing spandex with a visibly uncircumcised dickhole pressing through. No, even when an artist chooses to deliberately subvert the rules, that subversion follows its own consistent, internal rules.

2. Where people deliberately stylize anatomy, they still do according to consistent rules. Maybe their characters are composed of angles without curves and elongated to exaggerate the ideal triangle and hourglass of the male and female form, respectively, but again, they're consistent about it. It follows rules, and in this case the rules make sense. Angular though the characters may be, tapering to a fine waist from exaggerated shoulders, their necks still connect to their spine.

My God, Rob Liefeld is horrible.
 
2012-06-16 08:27:41 PM

Roook: Reminds me of the art of Pat Lee for Transformers comics
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TFWiki Article


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DULL SURPRISE!!
 
2012-06-16 08:30:37 PM
i.imgur.com

No mention of the disconnected right leg on the last panel... WTF? It's coming out of the side of her butt, I guess so it doesn't mess up her ass? Also... the foot seemd to have disconnected from the ankle, as well.

Crap, while we are at it, there is a complete failure on the perspective between the left foot and her hand.
 
2012-06-16 08:50:05 PM

LesserEvil: Crap, while we are at it, there is a complete failure on the perspective between the left foot and her hand.


What are you talking about? Liefeld is a master of perspective!

(I redlined perspective lines in on the buildings and cars, highlighting three distinct vanishing points. Which is not an exhaustive search for vanishing points. The image is too large for Fark and I'm not going to bother scaling it down).
 
2012-06-16 09:01:54 PM
What, no ankle jokes?
 
2012-06-16 10:01:59 PM

Dr. Mojo PhD: If that's just Liefeld's "style", then his style sucks, period. But it's not. It's not Liefeld's style at all. It's just that Liefeld himself sucks.


Liefeld's style sucks AND he sucks. let me requote myself in full here, I wasn't defending him at all:

Bill Frist: You know, it honestly doensn't bother me so much that Liefeld has impossible anatomy and insane muscles, etc. That's his style. I think it is a shiatty style, but these are comics not real life. People getting pedantic over how realistic the muscles are or how big the waists are is a little silly.

HOWEVER, I can not stand how farking lazy he is. The way he simply will not draw some characters hands or second leg, how he'll slap on a gun over a hand that clearly was originally holding something else, how he doesn't even erase errors sometimes. So farking lazy.


If you fixed the problems you mention in that example, it would still be a pretty ugly drawing but one could understand why someone else might like it. But having the neck be coming out of one shoulder blade, not thinking through the poses, etc.... that's just lazy and sad.
 
2012-06-16 10:16:36 PM

Bill Frist: thunderbird8804: Alex Ross, who I'm pretty sure is an avatar of an art god.

I think Alex Ross more or less sucks. His shiat is totally soulless. Yes, he can paint realistically (he uses models so is truly drawing from life) but so what? The great artists have STYLE. We don't remember Magritte or Dali or Picasso or Van Gogh because their stuff looked completely naturalistic. We remember them because they had original styles and visions.

Alex Ross is one of those technically great illustrators who is a boring artist. His work is like watching some guitar virtuoso do a bunch of technically hard solos, but who is unable to write a memorable song.


Bill Frist: Like google Alex Ross and comics and ignore the technical aspect of the realism, and look at what's being drawn. Mostly a bunch of cheesy poses. (no wonder he is most famous for his covers, which can just be superheros in corny poses without worrying about any flow between panels). Everything is stiff and wooden, no real personality and no flow when he does do panels.


...you're kidding, right? If this isn't a spinoff of BigLuca's posts then you have got to be the stupidest motherfarker on the earth. You know what, here's a demonstration of just how stupid you are, using a GIS for Alex Ross.

blog.mlive.com
Flow
marvelitesxmen.files.wordpress.com
Style: Most of his work presents a highly idealized (not naturalistic), photo-realistic throwback to the silver age
www.dialbforblog.com
Expressive and dynamic composition: Most of the characters are practically moving on the page, and every single one of them exudes the personality of their character

And those are all one shot images, that's not even getting into his actual comics work. Yeah, that's right, despite his work being super laborious and time consuming he's managed to do full limited run comics featuring his painted work (he probably used his godly miracle powers to do this). Such works as Marvels, Secret Origins, War on Crime, Justice, and on it goes....oh, and i almost forgot, motherfarking
www.hazelfoster.com

/And his "cheesy poses" stuff are all either promotional material, covers, or posters, and as far as that kind of material goes, Ross's work is still the pinnacle of craftsmanship
 
2012-06-16 10:31:31 PM

thunderbird8804: Flow


Perfect example of his lack of it. No original thought or composition to be seen.

thunderbird8804: Style: Most of his work presents a highly idealized (not naturalistic), photo-realistic throwback to the silver age


Yes, and its cheesy and done to death.

thunderbird8804: Expressive and dynamic composition: Most of the characters are practically moving on the page, and every single one of them exudes the personality of their character


Truly can't tell if this is a joke or not. It isn't quite bad enough to make him the comic book Thomas Kinkade, but its still pretty corny and stiff.

He is obviously a talented illustrator on a technical level, everyone knows that. I will say that basically every comic artist I know thinks he is pretty poor beyond that. If you like him, cool stuff.

thunderbird8804: Ross's work is still the pinnacle of craftsmanship


THIS I agree with. Pinnacle of CRAFTSmanship, but a low level of artistry. He is still a million miles above Liefeld though.
 
2012-06-16 10:36:31 PM

thunderbird8804:
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Expressive and dynamic composition: Most of the characters are practically moving on the page, and every single one of them exudes the personality of their character



Who's giving the Green Lantern a Merkel? Whoever it is, he's doing a good job, Green Lantern is really leaning into it.
 
2012-06-16 10:40:44 PM

Bill Frist:

Yes, and its cheesy and done to death. thunderbird8804: Expressive and dynamic composition: Most of the characters are practically moving on the page, and every single one of them exudes the personality of their character

Truly can't tell if this is a joke or not. It isn't quite bad enough to make him the comic book Thomas Kinkade, but its still pretty corny and stiff.

He is obviously a talented illustrator on a technical level, everyone knows that. I will say that basically every comic artist I know thinks he is pretty poor beyond that. If you like him, cool stuff.


Yeah, people (especially snobs) tend to talk shiat when they're jealous of someone, that's nothing new.

/It's also how they cope with their own failings
 
2012-06-16 10:42:42 PM

Bill Frist: If you fixed the problems you mention in that example, it would still be a pretty ugly drawing but one could understand why someone else might like it. But having the neck be coming out of one shoulder blade, not thinking through the poses, etc.... that's just lazy and sad.


Yeah no I know that, I think I got caught up in talking about how much that Cap cover pissed me off without getting around to the point that I was hinting at here:

Dr. Mojo PhD: If that's just Liefeld's "style", then his style sucks, period. But it's not. It's not Liefeld's style at all. It's just that Liefeld himself sucks.


My point was Liefeld doesn't seem to have a style at all. A style follows a core of consistent, internal rules. The presentation might change, but the basic idea is the same.

For example, fashion style. Take early non-Nazi British skinheads. Their style emphasized working-class roots, such as steel-toed boots and jeans, as well as button up shirts. Or in the case of haute couture stuff, something like the Gucci monogram. Or musical style. Or writing, such as in the case of the various manuals of styles (internal, consistent guidelines for presentation), or things like stream of consciousness or third-person narration.

When I say style, this is what I mean: The core thing that ties everything else together. Liefeld doesn't seem to have one of those. He seems to have an idea. I mean, exaggerated anatomy (or anatomy exaggerated in that particular way, at least) isn't my cup of tea, but yes, big bulgy muscles and boobs is a style -- so long as its consistent.

And, as you noted, if Liefeld was capable of editing his work then it would be, in my consideration of what style means, an actual style. But because he lacks that internal consistency, because he lacks the ability to produce a consistent output, the bulgy muscles and impossible wasp waists are just a part of a mess; in other words, the only thing consistent about Liefeld is his inconsistency.

Again, he seems to have the idea of what he wants (Superhero-As-Larger-Than-Life-Modern-Myth), but without any real way of knowing how to actually produce a style that portrays that.

If you remember the comics revolution of the 90s, you'll remember that a lot of artists (probably to remain marketable) began to copy Liefeld's ideas, but in such a way that they were actually stylized. Liefeld's ideas were there, but so was a consistent reproduction and presentation of them from a single artist; the ideas, even if one didn't agree with them, were at least presented with a consistent mode of showing those ideas.

Rob Liefeld is horrible.
 
2012-06-16 10:45:07 PM

St_Francis_P: Mawson of the Antarctic: BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Now this is a troll for the ages.

You laugh, but 100 years from now when an original Liefeld goes for $1M, you won't be laughing so much.


In 100 years, $1M will buy you a Kit-Kat and a Diet Coke.
 
2012-06-16 10:57:12 PM
This thread makes me want to get back into comic books. Some of the Liefeld counter examples are just really beautiful art. I've been jotting down names, may have to pick up some graphic novels.
 
2012-06-16 11:41:18 PM
Back when I used to have time to draw I drew things like this and this and knew that my weaknesses would make drawing comics a long shot... little did I know that Liefeld was blazing a trail for critically limited artists like me.
 
2012-06-16 11:44:11 PM
Also...

img88.imageshack.us

W... T... F
 
2012-06-17 12:06:39 AM

way south: Woman and cyborg drawn by an artist known for stretching the bounds of anatomical beauty.

[dl.dropbox.com image 599x769]

Woman and cyborg drawn by a twelve year old.

[dl.dropbox.com image 454x705]


I just noticed this. Zoom in on Badrock's neck... and you'll see he has no neck at all. His head is just floating there.
 
2012-06-17 12:09:30 AM

RolandGunner: Also...

[img88.imageshack.us image 212x372]

W... T... F


What, you've never heard of Tyrion Logan Lannister, scourge of the Stark's army of Sentinels?

i.imgur.com

It's pretty gory when he biatch-slaps Joffrey.
 
2012-06-17 12:26:01 AM

RolandGunner: Also...

[img88.imageshack.us image 212x372]

W... T... F


Well, one night, after a particularly rough Alpha Flight mission, Puck and Wolverine got reeeeaaaaally drunk...
 
2012-06-17 12:31:47 AM
It also looks like he was born with two heads and his parents decided to have one removed.
 
2012-06-17 12:38:00 AM

FastJeff: I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.


There's a difference between "stylized" and "shiat". Liefeld is the latter.

If you want someone who actually accomplishes what Liefeld tries, and fails miserably, to do, check out Simon Bisley.
 
2012-06-17 01:09:13 AM

HeartBurnKid: There's a difference between "stylized" and "shiat". Liefeld is the latter.


After looking at comics all day. I know that using the word stylized was kind of... well, it was just wrong.

I'll add Simon Bisley to the list of artists to look up.
 
2012-06-17 01:15:10 AM

Christian Bale: I HATE Rob Liefeld's work. Everything about it. His deformed people, musculature invented anew for each person, awkward poses, and the fact that you can't tell the foreground from the background or tell what the hell is going on in half his drawings.

That said, the original "40 worst" included this drawing:

[assets.sbnation.com image 392x600]

I love everything about the above panels. It's the one instance where his style--as he used it here--actually works. Not drawing superheroes, but a grizzled, dying loser with a great pained expression in a "noir" setting.

The other 79 examples are all puke-a-riffic, but this one a great. I even forgive the deformed hand.


See, the first thing that comes to mind looking at that page is "Why is he shrinking? Is the poison that's killing him causing that chair to keep getting larger? But then why is the cup shrinking too? What kind of freak furniture enhancer got slipped in that schlub's drink?"

It's rather distracting.

And as far as this panel goes:
i.imgur.com

Is it me or does it look like Liefeld was modelling one of those powerwalkers you find in the mall at 8am?
 
2012-06-17 03:17:19 AM

RolandGunner: Back when I used to have time to draw I drew things like this and this and knew that my weaknesses would make drawing comics a long shot... little did I know that Liefeld was blazing a trail for critically limited artists like me.


Those are actually pretty good.
Better than my doodles anyway.

Not knowing much about Liefeld himself, I can only hazard a guess that his luck at staying employed has less to do with his art so much as his ability to produce finished* pieces on a deadline.

*By finished we mean finished for those who aren't looking too closely and just want to sell copy.
If your target audience isn't really looking at the drawings while blowing through the story, the fact that the pen is crap doesn't change much.
 
2012-06-17 04:36:08 AM

way south: Not knowing much about Liefeld himself, I can only hazard a guess that his luck at staying employed has less to do with his art so much as his ability to produce finished* pieces on a deadline.


NOPE!

Liefeld has become known for producing late books, primarily his creator-owned ones,[dead link][12][38] though somewhat less so when doing work-for-hire.[5] Some issues of his series Youngblood shipped as much as nine months late. Liefeld has attributed this to the greater incentive a freelancer feels when doing work-for-hire assignments for a company, as opposed to working on one's self-owned work.[35]

It was alleged that Liefeld was too preoccupied by aspirations of Hollywood production deals, spending time in meetings with Steven Spielberg and Tom Cruise, to effectively publish comic books or participate in the business side of the Image venture, a criticism that Liefeld admits is at least partly true.[39] He reportedly fell asleep at numerous Image board meetings.[14][35]
 
2012-06-17 05:41:43 AM
Liefeld's 40 worst are probably behind him because he's getting better over time. Still not stellar, but his latest work in Deadshot #10 is actually passable.
 
2012-06-17 06:02:40 AM
Women with waists the size of their wrists, standing like they're trying to take a shiat on a swingset.

*snort*
 
2012-06-17 06:21:57 AM

bifford: Liefeld's 40 worst are probably behind him because he's getting better over time. Still not stellar, but his latest work in Deadshot #10 is actually passable.


Liefeld's work on the Hawk and Dove mini-series from 1988 wasn't that bad. Although, I'm willing to bet Karl Kesel put in overtime inking to make sure the art was passable.
 
2012-06-17 06:51:08 AM
rickycal78:FirstNationalBastard: Baron Harkonnen: I remember Rob Liefeld really coming on the scene in the early 90s and thinking his artwork was the most awesomest thing ever. In my defense, I was about 13. What more could I want than giant boobs and giant guns? I still think Liefeld is the greatest comic artist a 13 year-old could hope for.

On a related note, Tarot is one of the best worst comics ever. The writing is beyond abysmal, with the creater having absolutely no idea how to plot or pace anything, but the strange thing is, the artwork is not bad. The whole series is a porno/exploitation that the artist makes all of the women look like porn stars with huge porn-star breasts and shaved porn-star crotches (including Samantha Brown's haunted vagina), but the writer/artist who does the comic really believes that he's empowering women's sexuality with it. It's such an amazing train-wreck that it's hard to look away.

If nothing else, Jim Balent is empowering chubby chicks to send nudes of themselves in to be printed in the back of the book.

Wait what? Some comic is printing pics of naked chubby chicks in the back?


This point was never adequately addressed. I've clearly been away from comics for a while, things must have... changed.
 
2012-06-17 06:52:39 AM

No Such Agency: rickycal78:FirstNationalBastard: Baron Harkonnen: I remember Rob Liefeld really coming on the scene in the early 90s and thinking his artwork was the most awesomest thing ever. In my defense, I was about 13. What more could I want than giant boobs and giant guns? I still think Liefeld is the greatest comic artist a 13 year-old could hope for.

On a related note, Tarot is one of the best worst comics ever. The writing is beyond abysmal, with the creater having absolutely no idea how to plot or pace anything, but the strange thing is, the artwork is not bad. The whole series is a porno/exploitation that the artist makes all of the women look like porn stars with huge porn-star breasts and shaved porn-star crotches (including Samantha Brown's haunted vagina), but the writer/artist who does the comic really believes that he's empowering women's sexuality with it. It's such an amazing train-wreck that it's hard to look away.

If nothing else, Jim Balent is empowering chubby chicks to send nudes of themselves in to be printed in the back of the book.

Wait what? Some comic is printing pics of naked chubby chicks in the back?

This point was never adequately addressed. I've clearly been away from comics for a while, things must have... changed.


It's a self-published book, and IIRC, dedicated fans send in pictures of themselves dressed as characters from the book. Since the characters wear little to no clothing, and the fans are mostly goth or wiccan chicks, well...

Naked chubby chicks in the letter page.
 
2012-06-17 07:21:38 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: NOPE!


...Well now he sounds like a giant douchebag too.

That was my last guess then.
How does he manage to stay employed?
 
2012-06-17 07:46:46 AM

way south: Dr. Mojo PhD: NOPE!

...Well now he sounds like a giant douchebag too.

That was my last guess then.
How does he manage to stay employed?


Let me forever poison any non-cynical outlook you have on life by introducing you to the very sad reality of failing upwards.
 
2012-06-17 07:54:39 AM
Here's my current favorite comic artist: Francesco Francavilla. He does awesome pulp style artwork. Here's the Flash Gordon tag on his website.

A sample of his Black Beetle cover for Dark Horse:

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-17 07:58:18 AM
Rob Liefeld ain't so bad. He draws comic books about superheroes, not renaissance portraits.

That cocksucker Brandon who wrote this article, now there's a real talentless jagoff.
 
2012-06-17 08:04:39 AM

moothemagiccow: Rob Liefeld ain't so bad. He draws comic books about superheroes, not renaissance portraits.


Peter Chimera ain't so bad. He writes fanfiction about video games, not Modernist novels.

/And doesn't afraid of anything.
 
2012-06-17 10:03:27 AM

bifford: Liefeld's 40 worst are probably behind him because he's getting better over time.


Not seeing it.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-06-17 10:54:18 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: bifford: Liefeld's 40 worst are probably behind him because he's getting better over time.

Not seeing it.

[www.blogcdn.com image 569x885]


Is Hawkman's mask grimacing? I mean I'm all for stylizing the mask a little but putting that much facial expression into it? Seriously? I see his idea of perspective is still skewed looking at the talons compared to his fist, too. God damn, this guy has been doing major published work since '88. You'd figure that a quarter farkin' century doing it professionally might improve his technique -- not to mention the amateur hour shiat he must have been cranking out before that.
 
2012-06-17 10:56:18 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: bifford: Liefeld's 40 worst are probably behind him because he's getting better over time.

Not seeing it.

[www.blogcdn.com image 569x885]


You know, the thing that gets me more than anything else about Liefeld's work is the asymmetry of his faces. It's like everybody he draws is freaking Sloth.
 
2012-06-17 11:39:58 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: bifford: Liefeld's 40 worst are probably behind him because he's getting better over time.

Not seeing it.

[www.blogcdn.com image 569x885]


Why does Wolverine have wings here?
 
2012-06-17 12:00:49 PM
Thread needs overhead Capt. America gif.

i34.servimg.com

\from the other thread
\\not mine
 
2012-06-17 07:35:57 PM

thunderbird8804: Alex Ross, who I'm pretty sure is an avatar of an art god.


Alex Ross is pretty much the anti-Rob Liefeld...

/ I should re-read "Kingdom Come"
 
2012-06-17 09:55:01 PM
My CSB:

Early 90s Pittsburgh Comic Con. My mother took me for my birthday, and since we lived 3+ hours away we made the trip a day in advance. After shopping and going out to eat we went back to our hotel. Walking past the hotel bar I noticed Rob Liefeld standing just inside the entryway, sipping on a drink and just sort of staring into space. I had a little pre-teen freakout and started saying "What should I do? What should I do?"

My mom told me to run to our room and grab one of his comic books that I brought from home so that I could ask for his autograph.

I came back downstairs and asked my mom if it approaching him for an autograph would be rude. She said "Sort of, but a bunch of other kids and adults with comic books have walked past and nobody has even noticed him. Maybe it'll make him feel good to be recognized. It's worth a shot."

So, in I went. "Mr. Liefeld, I'm a big fan and I hate to bug you but it's my birthday weekend and we drove so far to get here and I was looking forward to meeting you tomorrow for an autograph. Would you mind signing my book now?"

"Is that your mom over there?"

"Yes!"

"Give me $35 and have her pay for my next drink and I'll sign your book."

Needless to say, I didn't pay for his autograph. Also, the next day, at his booth, a big sign was hanging that read "Meet Rob Liefeld / Autographs - $10". I skipped getting his autograph then, too.

/The "Is that your mom over there?" question could have gone in a worse direction.
 
2012-06-17 10:15:44 PM

szyzk: "Give me $35 and have her pay for my next drink and I'll sign your book.".


wow.
 
2012-06-17 11:19:58 PM

szyzk: "Give me $35 and have her pay for my next drink and I'll sign your book."


The really sad part about that is that if I was a parent and a comic book artist had been cool enough to give my kid a free autograph, I probably would be more the happy to buy a round or two out of gratitude.
 
2012-06-18 12:29:52 AM
Liefield isn't worthy enough to wipe George Perez's ass.
 
2012-06-18 02:28:01 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: Alex Ross is pretty much the anti-Rob Liefeld...


I have to agree with Bill Frist on this. Alex Ross is clearly a technical master, but very boring. His comparison to musicians was pretty apt. Jimi Hendrix and Jimmy Page are much interesting guitarists than Yngwie Malmsteen because even though their technical proficiency isn't nearly as good (and while they were still technically great), their tight-but-loose style gave it a ... how do I put this? ... a human sloppiness that made the music an organic thing, whereas with a technical virtuoso, it's kind of all math. Interesting in its own right, interesting in the form itself, but not very interesting from an emotional perspective.

That's not to say that all of Alex Ross's works suffer from that. Putting aside the politics of the piece for a minute, his iconic and (in)famous rendition of Bush:
i.imgur.com

...has a really interesting composition to it, in that it doesn't get by on its mere photorealism aspect. The surreal scale of it, the flow of the bodies (especially considering one is a representation of a statue), the caught-in-the-act mid-action shot, the way attention is paid to lighting the composition that that the Bush-as-vampire aspect uses his black suit as a black vampire's cloak blending into the "shadow" of the background, they are what make the piece interesting.

Which leads us to Tango with Evil, from Batman: Harley Quinn:
i.imgur.com

Another Alex Ross work that really works. First there is, again, the Joker blending into the black of the background, which works on a few levels. One, it suggests a monster hiding in the dark. Second, it suggests that as a person, he isn't really completely there.

But what really works for me here is the posing. Harley's totally in love with him and it comes through in her pose, completely. Arching her back into him, twisting her head to see him, pressing herself up against him as much as possible, her arm one arm reaching back to touch him as much as she can. Her smile is one of pure joy.

And then look at Joker. He isn't looking at her, he's looking at us. She's just an object to him, a thing whose devotion serves his own ego. Even the subtle positioning of his hand. It's not flat against her stomach, feeling the muscles of her abdomen with his palm, touching her, making contact with her. It's slightly clawed up, like he's using as little physical contact as possible to keep her around, and like at any moment he could either flatten it out to pull her closer to himself if need be, or curl up his fingers and rip her open if that would suit his needs more. His other hand is wrapped possessively around her wrist. His smile is one of pure, malignant cruelty.

The entire composition just oozes all the body language of a deluded, mislead, fragile woman totally in love with a sociopathic monster, and it does so simply and subtly.

So, that's all to say, when Alex Ross hits it out of the park, he really hits it out of the park.
 
2012-06-18 02:28:44 AM

szyzk: My CSB:

Early 90s Pittsburgh Comic Con. My mother took me for my birthday, and since we lived 3+ hours away we made the trip a day in advance. After shopping and going out to eat we went back to our hotel. Walking past the hotel bar I noticed Rob Liefeld standing just inside the entryway, sipping on a drink and just sort of staring into space. I had a little pre-teen freakout and started saying "What should I do? What should I do?"

My mom told me to run to our room and grab one of his comic books that I brought from home so that I could ask for his autograph.

I came back downstairs and asked my mom if it approaching him for an autograph would be rude. She said "Sort of, but a bunch of other kids and adults with comic books have walked past and nobody has even noticed him. Maybe it'll make him feel good to be recognized. It's worth a shot."

So, in I went. "Mr. Liefeld, I'm a big fan and I hate to bug you but it's my birthday weekend and we drove so far to get here and I was looking forward to meeting you tomorrow for an autograph. Would you mind signing my book now?"

"Is that your mom over there?"

"Yes!"

"Give me $35 and have her pay for my next drink and I'll sign your book."

Needless to say, I didn't pay for his autograph. Also, the next day, at his booth, a big sign was hanging that read "Meet Rob Liefeld / Autographs - $10". I skipped getting his autograph then, too.

/The "Is that your mom over there?" question could have gone in a worse direction.



Its always comforting when someone terrible at their work is also a complete douche so we can feel entirely justified in our mockery. Like Uwe Boll.
 
2012-06-18 11:44:34 AM

Cyno01: ts always comforting when someone terrible at their work is also a complete douche so we can feel entirely justified in our mockery. Like Uwe Boll.


Careful, them's fightin' words.
 
2012-06-18 01:10:38 PM

MoronLessOff: Cyno01: ts always comforting when someone terrible at their work is also a complete douche so we can feel entirely justified in our mockery. Like Uwe Boll.

Careful, them's fightin' words.


Hey, i kinda liked Postal. Doesnt mean it wasnt terrible and that he isnt a dick though.
 
2012-06-18 01:26:02 PM
I'm not even into comics, but this shiat is ridiculous! He's terrible. Loved the first set in 2007, still enjoying this set.
 
2012-06-18 09:10:06 PM

Cyno01: Its always comforting when someone terrible at their work is also a complete douche so we can feel entirely justified in our mockery. Like Uwe Boll.


Yep. Horrible on both ends, no reason to root for either of them.

I was given the royal treatment by Mark Waid the following year, and then Sam Keith in '93. It's amazing how differently those meetings went and how genuinely excited they were to spend time with fans versus my brief encounter with Mr. Crooked Sword.

/And then I stopped reading comics.
 
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