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(ESPN)   Manny Ramirez serves 50-game suspension, then waits for lowly Oakland A's to call him up. Two weeks later, lowly Oakland A's still haven't bothered calling him up and cut him upon request   (espn.go.com) divider line 82
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2012-06-16 08:45:25 AM  
He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.
 
2012-06-16 12:00:50 PM  

notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.


Manny as a Red Sox coach?

As a Yankees fan, this would amuse me greatly.

As a baseball fan you've gotta be shiatting me.
 
2012-06-16 12:08:30 PM  

Wise_Guy: notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.

Manny as a Red Sox coach?

As a Yankees fan, this would amuse me greatly.

As a baseball fan you've gotta be shiatting me.



Yeah, he and Bobby "I Invented This farking Game" Valentine would blend well.
 
2012-06-16 12:11:51 PM  

notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.


Just give him a job updating the scoreboard. He knows his way around the inside of the Green Monster quite well.
 
2012-06-16 12:17:08 PM  
awww, someone's gotta have room for Manny. Maybe the Phillies can turn their season around with him!

side note, every time Matt Vasgersian uttered "the Yankees are one of the teams hurt the most by the loss of the DH during interleague" during last nights MLBN Yankees-Nats broadcast, I had to restrain the urge to fly to DC for the sole purpose of cockpunching him

Joe Buck > Matt Vasgersian
 
2012-06-16 12:23:55 PM  
So the Oakland A's couldn't find room on their roster for Manny Ramirez? The 2012 Oakland A's? Who are last in the majors in hitting? Not sure I understand this decision. Is Oakland's front office tanking it (I'm looking at you, Billy Beane)? The players certainly are not. They're overachieving, and getting every bit out of their young and immature talent. Their record is way better than it should be, and that is a credit to the players.

Billy Beane, (part owner of this team) if you're intentionally holding this team back, you are a traitor, and you know the fate of traitors. If you "Charlie Finley" this team, so help me God, I'll hunt you down and take a dump on the hood of your Lamborghini.
 
2012-06-16 12:43:31 PM  

notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.


Yeah, what the Sox need is a smart, even-tempered and harmonious force in the clubhouse like Manny Ramirez.
 
2012-06-16 12:45:42 PM  

enik: notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.

Yeah, what the Sox need is a smart, even-tempered and harmonious force in the clubhouse like Manny Ramirez.


shhh.. don't listen to this
What the Red Sox need is mojo.. mojo they've lost since 2004 and 2007.
Manny's got the mojo.
 
2012-06-16 12:46:31 PM  

enik: notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.

Yeah, what the Sox need is a smart, even-tempered and harmonious force in the clubhouse like Manny Ramirez.


They need a kick in the ass, not Mr. Rogers.
 
2012-06-16 12:47:50 PM  

notmtwain: enik: notmtwain: He had a great career. Maybe he could come back to a team like the Red Sox in a coaching position. They need somebody to show them which end of the bat to hold.

Yeah, what the Sox need is a smart, even-tempered and harmonious force in the clubhouse like Manny Ramirez.

They need a kick in the ass, not Mr. Rogers.


And you think Manny is that guy?
 
2012-06-16 12:52:57 PM  
It's just Manny being Manny'd.
 
2012-06-16 12:55:00 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: So the Oakland A's couldn't find room on their roster for Manny Ramirez? The 2012 Oakland A's? Who are last in the majors in hitting? Not sure I understand this decision. Is Oakland's front office tanking it (I'm looking at you, Billy Beane)? The players certainly are not. They're overachieving, and getting every bit out of their young and immature talent. Their record is way better than it should be, and that is a credit to the players.

Billy Beane, (part owner of this team) if you're intentionally holding this team back, you are a traitor, and you know the fate of traitors. If you "Charlie Finley" this team, so help me God, I'll hunt you down and take a dump on the hood of your Lamborghini.


My only explanation is that Beane is so eager to overcome the Moneyball image that he insists on keeping the speedy, defensive-minded Coco Crisp in the lineup even though he's been atrocious with the bat. Based on a small sample size of a couple of weeks in AAA and a much larger sample size of a major league track record, I have to think Ramirez can still offer a little something with the bat. Ramirez DH'ing with Smith, Cespedes and Reddick in the outfield sounds... well, that sounds downright adequate.
 
2012-06-16 12:58:56 PM  
Fun fact: Manny Ramirez has hit worse than Eric Sogard in AAA.
 
2012-06-16 01:02:02 PM  
de facto Saturday baseball thread or we got one in the pipes?
 
2012-06-16 01:06:49 PM  
This bullshiat goes green but this: Link stays red?

"Manny Ramirez's Dreads Will Cause Drug Use, Abortion, Gayness, Blindness, Fan Tells The A's Triple-A Affiliate In Insane Voicemail"

Go have a listen. It's hilariously bad.
 
2012-06-16 01:09:59 PM  
Shame about Vlad Guerrero, who was cut wednesday.
 
2012-06-16 01:16:18 PM  
Manny and the Red Sox always seem to parallel eachother no matter where he is.
 
2012-06-16 01:24:46 PM  
By the way, if anyone thinks Manny's .302 batting average is good...

The average player's BA in the PCL is .278. Compare that to the AL, where the average player hits .253. If we were to expect Manny to hit just as well in the majors as in AAA (which, of course, is unlikely), we'd expect him to have an average of roughly .274 (in a neutral park).

To continue down that path, we'd expect his major league OBP to be .324 and his SLG to be .332.

Anyone excited about a DH that hits .274/.324/.332? What if I point out that Oakland's a pitcher's park, and so those numbers would likely be even worse?

For the record, Oakland has an OF who has hit .274/.354/.321 in the majors this year...yet he barely gets any playing time, despite being better than Manny would be on defense.

expobill: Shame about Vlad Guerrero, who was cut wednesday.


Very similar situation. Vladdy was hitting .303/.314/.424 for Las Vegas, which looks good at first glance...except Las Vegas is ALSO in the PCL and is actually one of the best hitters parks in a league full of 'em.
 
2012-06-16 01:34:26 PM  
We already knew this year would be a bad market for DHs and DH-types, even for those that -aren't- on the decline.

Look how long it took Prince Fielder to land a gig despite Boras' best efforts, and even then only because the Tigers panicked when V-Mart went down. No one signed Damon or Hideki Matsui until well into the season.
 
2012-06-16 01:37:19 PM  
The A's as a team have an AL-worst .364 SLG. And Manny is slugging .349 in AAA - in the hitter-friendly PCL.


But enough about that......

The Bestest: de facto Saturday baseball thread or we got one in the pipes?


I vote to make this a Saturday baseball thread
 
2012-06-16 01:43:34 PM  
That was almost a beautiful double play by Zimmerman
 
2012-06-16 01:49:32 PM  
Davey Johnson looks like he's 95.
 
2012-06-16 01:53:25 PM  
I rarely get a chance to see Zimmerman.. nasty looking pitches in terms of location and deception
 
2012-06-16 01:55:23 PM  
Old man Pettitte wants Bryce Harper to get off his lawn
 
2012-06-16 01:56:04 PM  

The Bestest: I rarely get a chance to see Zimmerman.. nasty looking pitches in terms of location and deception


That slider to get Teixeira was excellent. Almost perfectly placed
 
2012-06-16 01:57:34 PM  

Super Chronic: My only explanation is that Beane is so eager to overcome the Moneyball image that he insists on keeping the speedy, defensive-minded Coco Crisp in the lineup even though he's been atrocious with the bat. Based on a small sample size of a couple of weeks in AAA and a much larger sample size of a major league track record, I have to think Ramirez can still offer a little something with the bat. Ramirez DH'ing with Smith, Cespedes and Reddick in the outfield sounds... well, that sounds downright adequate.


I've avoided saying this before, but "THIS!" I love Coco, but he's got a popgun in centerfield at best. And while he's a dangerous basestealing threat, Beane in the past has built teams on the supposition that basestealing is counterproductive, or of no value at best. So what changed? Was it the fact that he let the cat out of the bag? Hell, I'd have fired him when he let that book telling all of his trade secrets be published. Who the hell tells his secrets of success? Billy Beane is a dumbfark. And his owners (the second or third wealthiest owners in baseball, depending upon who you talk to) are traitors to their own team. I'd be happy to leave a steamer as their hood ornaments also.
 
2012-06-16 01:59:47 PM  

Rex_Banner: Old man Pettitte wants Bryce Harper to get off his lawn


amusing comment about the age difference between them

/great play by Chavez
 
2012-06-16 02:09:53 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Super Chronic: My only explanation is that Beane is so eager to overcome the Moneyball image that he insists on keeping the speedy, defensive-minded Coco Crisp in the lineup even though he's been atrocious with the bat. Based on a small sample size of a couple of weeks in AAA and a much larger sample size of a major league track record, I have to think Ramirez can still offer a little something with the bat. Ramirez DH'ing with Smith, Cespedes and Reddick in the outfield sounds... well, that sounds downright adequate.

I've avoided saying this before, but "THIS!" I love Coco, but he's got a popgun in centerfield at best. And while he's a dangerous basestealing threat, Beane in the past has built teams on the supposition that basestealing is counterproductive, or of no value at best. So what changed? Was it the fact that he let the cat out of the bag? Hell, I'd have fired him when he let that book telling all of his trade secrets be published. Who the hell tells his secrets of success? Billy Beane is a dumbfark. And his owners (the second or third wealthiest owners in baseball, depending upon who you talk to) are traitors to their own team. I'd be happy to leave a steamer as their hood ornaments also.


Gene Michael was looking at OBP way before Beane. Beane just wrote a book about it.

BTW, it should have been called "HudsonZitoMulderBall".
 
2012-06-16 02:21:36 PM  

Wise_Guy: BTW, it should have been called "HudsonZitoMulderBall".


Agreed. That's A's baseball, whether it's called "HudsonZitoMulderBall, or HunterBlueHoltzmanOdomBall. Oakland A's means pitching. So lets NOT trade away every pitching prospect we have, if we're gonna trade away every hitting prospect we have. Pick one ferchrissakes, Mr. Beane!

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2012-06-16 02:31:59 PM  
damn.. Nats defense is killin' the Yanks so far
 
2012-06-16 02:40:30 PM  
Harper has struck out 3 times on 11 pitches.
 
2012-06-16 02:40:37 PM  
Andy Pettitte is your daddy, Harper
 
2012-06-16 02:47:08 PM  

Wise_Guy: Beane just wrote a book about it.


Really? Beane wrote a book about it?

Michael Lewis's Moneyball focussed on, among others, Beane's tendency to seek out players who had been undervalued by other teams, but who showed talent in certain areas that could help a team win games. The salient example back in the early '00s was OBP, because average and HRs and SBs had been so highly sought-after.

OBP is no longer as undervalued. The tenets of Moneyball should lead an observant GM to move on to the next undervalued set of stats. I haven't paid much attention to the A's this year, but it's possible that Beane is doing just that-- abandoning the now-high-profile OBP leaders in favour of other stats that can help win games.

Oh, and, as I recall, Beane hated that book.
 
2012-06-16 02:49:35 PM  
Fark you and your great defense, Jordan Zimmerman
 
2012-06-16 02:55:50 PM  
ugh.. Rob Thomson is driving me nuts today
 
2012-06-16 03:10:37 PM  

xpisblack: I haven't paid much attention to the A's this year, but it's possible that Beane is doing just that-- abandoning the now-high-profile OBP leaders in favour of other stats that can help win games.


It's been speculated that he's been focusing a bit more on, surprisingly, speed and defense. Check out, for instance, the 2010 A's: top DefEff, 3rd in steals in the AL.

Hence, Crisp.

Unfortunately, while those things are currently undervalued...they're not as valuable as "not making outs," aka OBP. Thus, the A's not being very good.
 
2012-06-16 03:49:50 PM  
Holy cow that was a great throw and tag to nail Moore at the plate
 
2012-06-16 04:08:28 PM  

Rex_Banner: Holy cow that was a great throw and tag to nail Moore at the plate


replay showed he was safe, but eh, things happen
 
2012-06-16 04:16:28 PM  

The Bestest: Rex_Banner: Holy cow that was a great throw and tag to nail Moore at the plate

replay showed he was safe, but eh, things happen


Yeah, he should've been called safe.

Funny thing though: It took the Nats announcers 5 different replays from 5 different angles to determine the correct call - and they STILL tried to say that there was no excuse for the ump missing it. It's like they don't understand that they have the benefit for multiple views and angles while the ump has one chance in real time on a very close play.
 
2012-06-16 04:24:58 PM  

Rex_Banner: Funny thing though: It took the Nats announcers 5 different replays from 5 different angles to determine the correct call - and they STILL tried to say that there was no excuse for the ump missing it. It's like they don't understand that they have the benefit for multiple views and angles while the ump has one chance in real time on a very close play.


Yeah that bothered me too. THEY couldn't even tell he was safe til the 5th replay, and after they did, they bag on the ump for the next 5 minutes.
 
2012-06-16 04:37:10 PM  
holy hell, what is that like the 7th spectacular defensive play by the Nats to rob the Yankees of a hit today?
 
2012-06-16 04:38:32 PM  
...followed by the 8th
 
2012-06-16 04:41:21 PM  

The Bestest: holy hell, what is that like the 7th spectacular defensive play by the Nats to rob the Yankees of a hit today?


I love that they've been flashing the leather all afternoon, but the Yankees first run scored due to an error
 
2012-06-16 04:42:40 PM  

Rex_Banner: The Bestest: holy hell, what is that like the 7th spectacular defensive play by the Nats to rob the Yankees of a hit today?

I love that they've been flashing the leather all afternoon, but the Yankees first run scored due to an error


they're still well in the plus column for the game though
 
2012-06-16 04:45:58 PM  
I miss Manny if only for the angst and amusement.
 
2012-06-16 05:02:35 PM  
Freddy Garcia time. This one will be over soon
 
2012-06-16 05:02:59 PM  
oh sonuvabiatch.. now Freddy Garcia..
 
2012-06-16 05:04:44 PM  
This has "Harper walk-off" written all over it.......
 
2012-06-16 05:08:42 PM  
And naturally, Garica K's Harper.
 
2012-06-16 05:09:09 PM  
Byce Harper with the sombrero +1 today
To the 13th! Will we get a Brad Lidge Experience?
 
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