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(News On 6 Tulsa)   City: "Your yard is overgrown and in code violation" Woman: "I checked before planting and according to the law it isn't. That garden provides my food." City: "We don't care. Send in the mowers"   (newson6.com) divider line 272
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2012-06-16 02:05:24 AM  
I hope she wins.
 
2012-06-16 02:11:33 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.


As do I.
 
2012-06-16 02:22:43 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.


Me too.
 
2012-06-16 02:25:02 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.


I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?
 
2012-06-16 02:26:27 AM  
One of my friends had a neighbor call code enforcement because his grass was 1/2" too tall. The city didn't care that the reason was that it had been raining for over a week so he couldn't cut it, they still cited him. Tulsa's code department is like an HOA run amok.
 
2012-06-16 02:28:41 AM  

Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.
 
2012-06-16 02:29:29 AM  

Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Because they're ignorant asshats that get upset that someone is using their yard to grow food and don't give a fark for anyone other themselves?
 
2012-06-16 02:32:13 AM  

Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!
 
2012-06-16 02:32:41 AM  
I figured this woman was African-American before I ever clicked on the video.

Tulsa is full of racists and that racism permeates city government and the enforcement of city ordinances.
 
2012-06-16 02:32:59 AM  

propasaurus: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.


You might be right...but without pics, who knows. I'd like to think the city code enforcement drove by, and agreed with the asshole neighbors.
 
2012-06-16 02:33:42 AM  

Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.


I wouldn't have any problem living next door to this woman.
 
2012-06-16 02:34:27 AM  

propasaurus: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.


Yep. Who gives a sh*t about their neighbors plants? Mine are loud but don't say jack about my yard.
 
2012-06-16 02:35:13 AM  

quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!


Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.
 
2012-06-16 02:38:22 AM  
Conform in your front yard I meant. :-/
 
2012-06-16 02:54:58 AM  

propasaurus: Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.


I concur. She was growing plants & trees for food, and whether or not her neighbors or the city like it, it's legal.
 
2012-06-16 02:58:01 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: propasaurus: Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.

I concur. She was growing plants & trees for food, and whether or not her neighbors or the city like it, it's legal.


And she took the time to research the appropriate ordinances so she would be in compliance.
 
2012-06-16 02:59:50 AM  

Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Yeah. They're jealous that they pay out the ass for groceries/disgusted that this woman eats vegetables. Pick one.
 
2012-06-16 03:00:33 AM  

propasaurus: Bathia_Mapes: propasaurus: Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.

I concur. She was growing plants & trees for food, and whether or not her neighbors or the city like it, it's legal.

And she took the time to research the appropriate ordinances so she would be in compliance.


One of those walnuts may have dropped on the neighbor's lawn. We have nut trees, they're messy.
 
2012-06-16 03:01:18 AM  

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Nothing. Ever. In the history of all civilization, will give Tulsa any semblance of property value.
 
2012-06-16 03:02:17 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yeah. They're jealous that they pay out the ass for groceries/disgusted that this woman eats vegetables. Pick one.


She also uses herbal medicine. Burn her.
 
2012-06-16 03:03:59 AM  

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.
 
2012-06-16 03:04:49 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yeah. They're jealous that they pay out the ass for groceries/disgusted that this woman eats vegetables. Pick one.


Add "jealous that she can grow plants while they're barely keeping the grass green."
 
2012-06-16 03:08:28 AM  

propasaurus: Bathia_Mapes: propasaurus: Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.

I concur. She was growing plants & trees for food, and whether or not her neighbors or the city like it, it's legal.

And she took the time to research the appropriate ordinances so she would be in compliance.


Exactly.
 
2012-06-16 03:10:51 AM  
I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.
 
2012-06-16 03:13:02 AM  

Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.


There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.
 
2012-06-16 03:15:00 AM  
Ridiculous. I hope she sues, and wins, for a very large sum. The person who complained should be publicly outed and ostracized. The people who actually did the mowing should be in jail for trespass.
 
2012-06-16 03:16:50 AM  

cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.


If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.
 
2012-06-16 03:17:27 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.


The before pictures actually look better. From what I can see, it was kept up with and frames the house nicely.
 
2012-06-16 03:19:38 AM  
If Americans had any of their original spirit left, we'd fall upon the city inspectors and tar and feather them then drive them out of the city by horsewhipping them in the gonads until they finally were driven into the wilderness to their perish in ignominy and shame for their abuse of the very authority countless of their countrymen gave life and limb to defeat many times in the past.
 
2012-06-16 03:20:11 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.


Really? Must not be mobile friendly. Someone post the pics and I'll say I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time I was an idiot.
 
2012-06-16 03:22:35 AM  

Mark Ratner: The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

Really? Must not be mobile friendly. Someone post the pics and I'll say I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time I was an idiot.


Check it on a computer. It's definitely a garden and totally all edible.
 
2012-06-16 03:24:00 AM  

doglover: Mark Ratner: The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

Really? Must not be mobile friendly. Someone post the pics and I'll say I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time I was an idiot.

Check it on a computer. It's definitely a garden and totally all edible.


She obviously put quite a bit of time into planning and care.
 
2012-06-16 03:27:35 AM  

AbbeySomeone: doglover: Mark Ratner: The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

Really? Must not be mobile friendly. Someone post the pics and I'll say I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time I was an idiot.

Check it on a computer. It's definitely a garden and totally all edible.

She obviously put quite a bit of time into planning and care.


Not to mention I wasn't kidding about the horsewhipping.

If your boss tells you to cut down an old woman's nut tree, you tell your boss to go fark himself.


Anyone who could cut down a food garden I have no respect for.
 
2012-06-16 03:31:55 AM  
People bleat on about their precious property values when everyone knows it's just an excuse to mind other people's business.
 
2012-06-16 03:35:54 AM  

doglover: Mark Ratner: The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

Really? Must not be mobile friendly. Someone post the pics and I'll say I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time I was an idiot.

Check it on a computer. It's definitely a garden and totally all edible.


I'll just assume I'm wrong because I couldn't see the pics. (Dumbass websites that aren't mobile-friendly...uggh)
 
2012-06-16 05:46:56 AM  

quickdraw: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

Me too.


Yup.
 
2012-06-16 05:50:05 AM  
As someone with a background in code enforcement, I can tell you that this is plain stupid. The officers overstepped their authority. If they trespassed on that woman's property without a judge's blessing, they could be in a whole lot of trouble.
 
2012-06-16 05:53:58 AM  
I just moved to town (not Tulsa) and planted tomato plants in my flower bed and also zucchini squash. My neighbors can bite it....and not my vegetables either.
 
2012-06-16 05:54:01 AM  
They use force to make you do, what the deciders have decided you must do.
 
2012-06-16 05:57:19 AM  

Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Who has more rights over what your yard looks like: you or your neighbors?
 
2012-06-16 06:02:39 AM  

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


What value does property have if you can't use it to grow food and medicine or just plants which you find pleasing which don't farking hurt your neighbors?
 
2012-06-16 06:03:21 AM  
Those idiots can kiss her ass, and my ass too. Whining about someone growing vegetables in their front yard, that's one of the heights of dipstickery.
 
2012-06-16 06:05:29 AM  
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"Problem?"
 
2012-06-16 06:06:48 AM  

Mark Ratner: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


With much love, go DIAF.
 
2012-06-16 06:08:32 AM  
OK I've changed my mind. Now I'm in favor of stand your ground.
 
2012-06-16 06:09:54 AM  

ksdanj: I figured this woman was African-American before I ever clicked on the video.

Tulsa is full of racists and that racism permeates city government and the enforcement of city ordinances.


Holy farking shiat, it didn't take long for the Race Card to be issued out, huh?
 
2012-06-16 06:10:00 AM  
Illegal Backyard Garden? Link

Michigan Law Forbids Vegetable Gardens Link

An Illegal Curbside Garden Flourishes in L.A. Link

Some People Trading Lawns for Veggie Gardens Link
 
2012-06-16 06:22:58 AM  
What do you Libs think this is, a free country or something?
 
2012-06-16 06:23:33 AM  

Mark Ratner: Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Your neighbor's vegetation only affects your property value because you and people like you decide that it should. If you and your cohorts would all mind your own business it wouldn't have any effect whatever -- unless they're growing some sort of invasive species their lawn has fark-all to do with the actual value of your property.

Replace "vegetation" with "race" and you've have an equally valid argument -- in many places black/hispanic/"outsider" neighbors will drive down property values. But you'd probably consider it immoral to ban home ownership by blacks in your neighborhood merely on the basis of your perceived property value.

Also try to remember that your residence is not an investment. At best it's part of your retirement plan -- you tie up capital in your house instead of just saving money as a liquid asset. Anything beyond that is pure speculation, and if you're worried about minor things like the neighbor's lawn you don't have enough free capital to be speculating in the first place.
 
2012-06-16 06:24:41 AM  
www.smiteahippie.com

now you have no food. haha
 
2012-06-16 06:26:49 AM  

Mark Ratner: I will never support her derp hero.


We get it. She's black.
 
2012-06-16 06:29:40 AM  

Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.


This is really a reflection of a larger problem with housing site design. From the pics, I'd guess it's a 1955-165 ranch house, where we just started to move the houses really deep into the lot to accommodate large driveways so you could show off your new car to everyone, rather than keeping them in garages off of alleyways in the back of the property. Before that, front yards were relatively shallow - go walk down any rows of bungalows and you'll notice how tiny the front yards are.

Now, city ordinances would make those bungalows illegal. You're required in almost every urban environment to have huge setbacks on your property, leaving you with this vast expanse of basically unusable yard, filled with grass that eats up time and money. Good for her for standing up and doing something productive with her yard. If enough people start reclaiming these areas, maybe it will be enough that we can start situating houses on the lots in ways that make sense again so we can have smaller but (much more) attractive street fronts while opening up more space in the back for people to create the gardens the want.
 
2012-06-16 06:31:16 AM  
I'm moving from renting a room in my friend's HOA-overlorded condo (where one can't even have herb and tomato plants on the porch) to a house in a residential Seattle neighborhood teeming with garden-y goodness, so I'm getting a kick and all.

/homemade jams and marmalade, motherfarker
//infused oils, vinegars, and vodkas, too
///roommates are all culinary students
////css
 
2012-06-16 06:34:08 AM  
the yard looks like heck especially by the side of the house. it looks like she threw seeds around and planted a few plants and walked away without maintaining it. if the plants were in well defined sections the yard would look incredible. she's still right but don't be surprised if a local law is passed saying gardens can't be seen from the street or must be fenced or something.like that. too bad she had a feud with zoning or the neighbors and everyone else gets screwed thanks to this.
 
2012-06-16 06:39:10 AM  
Yeah.
I hope she wins and gets enough money to slap in a BIGGER garden. With a sign on the fence that has the ordinance in huge bolded font.
 
2012-06-16 06:41:17 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.


Yep.
 
2012-06-16 06:47:19 AM  

IronOcelot: Yeah.
I hope she wins and gets enough money to slap in a BIGGER garden. With a sign on the fence that has the ordinance in huge bolded font.


I hope she gets a pig and some chickens.
 
2012-06-16 06:58:13 AM  
The bigger issue is the lack of an order from a judge. Code enforcement has no right to destroy her property without it.

If they haven't sent her a bill for the removal, then they know what they did was illegal.
 
2012-06-16 07:06:48 AM  
She should just leave the property a dirt lot. I'm sure that'd be just fantastic for property values.
 
2012-06-16 07:09:05 AM  

MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.


Many things can make the speculative value of your property go down. Attempting to ban them is not only futile but also often clear violation of the rights of your neighbors. Douchebag neighbors decrease property value, at least in my estimation -- you should be glad no one has tried to kick you out of your home.

If you and people like you would stop trying to control what your neighbors did speculative property values would not be impacted by the state of a neighbor's yard -- the actual pragmatic value of the property is not affected by transient things like the length of your neighbor's grass or where they store their personal property. Alternatively you could just stop worrying about the speculative value of your property -- if you're living there you shouldn't be considering it an investment at all (other than maybe an illiquid repository for your retirement capital), and you'd have to be insane to attempt to speculate with your residence.

/ Also see my previous point about race affecting property values
 
2012-06-16 07:15:43 AM  
The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever plants are native to the area?
 
2012-06-16 07:18:24 AM  
If I were her, I would nit pick everything her neighbors do, since they were the ones that complained in the first place. If they have one brick out of place or crack in their driveway, I would flood their stupid code enforcement with calls and complaints.
 
2012-06-16 07:18:55 AM  

Mark Ratner: Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Growing stuff in her yard will zero effect on property value. It's no different than if someone paints their house dayglo pink.
 
2012-06-16 07:21:33 AM  
this time, she read the ordinance,plants can't be over 12-inches tall unless they're used for human consumption

No hedge rows in Tulsa?

AbbeySomeone: Yep. Who gives a sh*t about their neighbors plants? Mine are loud but don't say jack about my yard.


Talking plants? Do you have one named Audrey II?
 
2012-06-16 07:24:02 AM  
a garden is fine. a mostly untended garden is a shiathouse mess where growth in need of attention and pruning compete for space and choke each other out. let several seasons of dead growth build up and you've got a fire hazard. most towns are tightfisted when it comes to use of their manpower, it costs money. TFA makes me wonder how many years growth had run amuck unchecked in that 'garden' before the town got involved. common sense dictates workers didn't run amuck in a pristine environment.
 
2012-06-16 07:24:11 AM  

The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever
plants are native to the area?


*bashes Smart button repeatedly*
 
2012-06-16 07:30:42 AM  
This comes awful close to the story a few years back about some people whining about a neighbor using a clothesline in their back yard. They whined it looked low class and something about property values. In both cases, you're free to do what you want on and with your property within the law, and so are all your neighbors. If you can't stand people enjoying what they wish on and with their property, then perhaps you are not quite emotionally fit to own a house yourself. And certainly you may wish to find some place more suitable to you.
 
2012-06-16 07:34:30 AM  

dstanley: The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever
plants are native to the area?

*bashes Smart button repeatedly*


*also smashes Smart button*

It's the whole my lawn has to fit in with all other lawns thing. For a nation of individuals we sure do try and make everyone conform as much as possible.

Our old HOA had a set of three busy bodies that went ballistic when we placed two large rocks in the front yard(wife wanted a "zen" thing... I guess) and we were completely in the guidelines they had set down.
Claimed it ruined the "set piece" of the area and would lower property values etc., etc..

/ farking hate HOAs
 
2012-06-16 07:34:33 AM  
I wish there was a way to donate money to help this woman out. Sounds like she's in a really shiatty situation.
 
2012-06-16 07:36:04 AM  

The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever plants are native to the area?


It goes back to our obsession with the rich. What better way to show off your wealth than big plots of land covered with just enough grass to keep the earth from blowing away? The World Wars might've had something to do with it too. After the fighting was over, probably lot of people wanted to forget about failed victory gardens and rationing.
 
2012-06-16 07:38:18 AM  

The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever plants are native to the area?


It shatters the illusion that Suburbia was supposed to sell. Google "hyperreality".
 
2012-06-16 07:42:50 AM  
planning on putting a bay tree in our little front yard.

Looking for other recommendations for north facing, clay soil in damp environment (UK)

(trying to hijack this into a garden thread)
 
2012-06-16 07:43:45 AM  
Today's episode of heavy-handed busybody local bureaucracy brought to you by the party of small government, no doubt.
 
2012-06-16 07:49:10 AM  

MBrady: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone:

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.


You're missing the bigger picture here. If people believe their property value goes down because she's legally growing her food..but her neighbors want that to be illegal... yet the value of their homes decreased by a significantly larger margin in the current state of decline in the economy... why aren't these home owners suing the government to make a decline in the economy illegal and having the housing authority fix it? Why are they bullying one person for a few hundred dollars in property value when the tanked economy robbed them of 25%+ of their property value?
The obvious solution is that if the neighbors don't like it, they pool money and hire somone to displace her garden to a location agreeable to her for the following growing season.
 
2012-06-16 07:50:47 AM  
in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.
 
2012-06-16 07:50:57 AM  

Mark Ratner: You might be right...but without pics, who knows. I'd like to think the city code enforcement drove by, and agreed with the asshole neighbors.


You mean pics like the ones in TFA?

kotv.images.worldnow.com

kotv.images.worldnow.com

Kinda shabby looking but it's clearly deliberate and not just wild overgrowth.
=Smidge=
 
2012-06-16 07:53:45 AM  

The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever plants are native to the area?


This.

Lawn Nazis ( what I call my HOA) need to DIAF.
 
2012-06-16 07:57:56 AM  

Coelacanth: IronOcelot: Yeah.
I hope she wins and gets enough money to slap in a BIGGER garden. With a sign on the fence that has the ordinance in huge bolded font.

I hope she gets a pig and some chickens.


Two pigs and a goat.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2012-06-16 08:03:00 AM  

starlost: in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.


Dandelions are edible. My grandmother used to pick the tender new leaves and serve them with a hot bacon dressing. Apparently you can also make wine out of the flower heads.

My development used to be cow pasture. I never got around to completely grass-seeding my backyard, so there are patches of little low yellow and purple wild flowers in the spring. As far as I am concerned, it is a biodiverse ecosystem. Fark the disease susceptible grass monoculture mentality.
 
2012-06-16 08:04:16 AM  

ArgusRun: The bigger issue is the lack of an order from a judge. Code enforcement has no right to destroy her property without it.

If they haven't sent her a bill for the removal, then they know what they did was illegal.


Well, the article makes it sound like the judge moved the court date to October, and they decided that meant to raze everything at 8 AM the next day. If that's true I'm thinking she'll win, judges get kinda annoyed when you ignore them.
 
2012-06-16 08:06:14 AM  
So here's this bootstrappy person taking care of her own needs and living a frugal life and the small government libertarian Farkers are ridiculing her because they worship theoretical property value aesthetics.
 
2012-06-16 08:07:47 AM  
I like how the article mentions that she went to court to stop the process, the judge continued the case, and the city came and destroyed everything the day after the continuance.
 
2012-06-16 08:10:59 AM  
Lower property values, eh?

I wonder if she would allow a few volunteers to paint her house in a hot pink and purple plaid pattern, and then see how the neighbors react. You thought the veggies were bad?
 
2012-06-16 08:14:17 AM  
MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I wouldn't mind. Yeah, it sounds tacky and potentially gross, but imagine how spiffy my yard would look by comparison. Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.

I've had friends who lived in neighborhoods that didn't allow swingsets, clotheslines, certain amounts and heights or trees, etc. I always wondered why they put up with that. I have zero interest in such nonsense.
 
2012-06-16 08:18:17 AM  

loveblondieo: Ridiculous. I hope she sues, and wins, for a very large sum. The person who complained should be publicly outed and ostracized. The people who actually did the mowing should be in jail for trespass.


This.
 
2012-06-16 08:19:08 AM  

doglover: If Americans had any of their original spirit left, we'd fall upon the city inspectors and tar and feather them then drive them out of the city by horsewhipping them in the gonads until they finally were driven into the wilderness to their perish in ignominy and shame for their abuse of the very authority countless of their countrymen gave life and limb to defeat many times in the past.


Your ideas intrigue me. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2012-06-16 08:20:18 AM  
Here's how it really works.....

When *your* the one doing it, it's cool. It's your place. It's your yard, your house, your style. Whatever. People should be free to decide.
When it's your neighbour doing something you don't like, suddenly it's time to call the police/city/argue with them.

It doesn't really matter what 'it' is
 
2012-06-16 08:23:41 AM  
Some people say a man is made outta mud
A poor man's made outta muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that's weak and a back that's strong

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
I was raised in the canebrake by an ol' mama lion
Ain't no-a high-toned woman make me walk from the line

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

If you see me comin', better step aside
A lotta men didn't, a lotta men died
One fist of iron, the other of steel
If the right one don't a-get you
Then the left one will

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
 
2012-06-16 08:24:29 AM  
I'm just wondering how they'd handle an aquaponics system if I built one in the front yard.

/Think a giant fish pond combined with floating growing trays for plants
//And edible fish
 
2012-06-16 08:25:13 AM  
As a state Master Gardener, I am NOT getting a kick out of this. One of the things we are doing in our state is promoting native plantings. And yes, that includes front yards. As an example, "Rain Gardens" (a shallow basin filled with native plants) prevent runoff and the resulting pollution. There is an initiative in our city to have 10,000 of these gardens (Google "10,000 Rain Gardens"). Suburban HOA's are the biggest problem in achieving this goal, even though city officials, environmental experts, and knowledgeable gardeners are all for it.

The pollution of our waterways by chemicals used to maintain swaths of green grass is bad enough; but when you add in the refuse from these constantly clipped lawns to landfills (because a compost pile is also against HOA rules), the magnitude of our country's obsession with perfect lawns becomes apparent.

I read somewhere that America's obsession with lawns is some kind of throwback to what we feel looks wealthy. A wealthy landowner would have the functional parts of the landscape hidden, with a huge sweep of green lawn surrounding the manse. So even though you live in a suburb with a postage stamp for a property, if you can force everyone else on your street to have matching oceans of green grass, it supposedly replicates this look. And nothing spoils this look of wealth faster than obvious utilitarian gardens that provide food, herbs, or wildlife habitats.
 
2012-06-16 08:25:13 AM  
As a vegetable gardener myself, I would understand if this woman had gone at the people who destroyed her garden with a pitchfork. She would have been defending her rightfully held property. Not to mention, don't fark with my food.

/plenty large backyard for my current gardening needs
 
2012-06-16 08:25:35 AM  
I would much rather live next to that lady than the a**hole I have here that is CONSTANTLY running his lawn mower, the leaf blower and 10 million toxic chemicals he put on his lawn!!!
 
2012-06-16 08:27:15 AM  

WhyteRaven74: This comes awful close to the story a few years back about some people whining about a neighbor using a clothesline in their back yard. They whined it looked low class and something about property values. In both cases, you're free to do what you want on and with your property within the law, and so are all your neighbors. If you can't stand people enjoying what they wish on and with their property, then perhaps you are not quite emotionally fit to own a house yourself. And certainly you may wish to find some place more suitable to you.


Except that 'the law' is easily changeable and reflects the wishes (most of the time) of your neighbours. I received more than my fair-share of letters from the *city* (not HOA, but actual city) because I was breaking 'the law' by doing trivial things on my property. Things like the height of my grass and the things in my yard.

And, since it was *the law* the city actually had the power to take my house and sell it against my wishes to reclaim their b.s. (and ridiculously high) fees. For example, if you went out of town for three weeks, by the end of week #1 - your grass was too tall. You were now breaking the law. City inspectors would literally troll the neighbourhoods looking for violations. Then you'd get a warning letter. Then you had 3 business days to rectify the problem. Then they'd fine you *each day* until it was fixed until a maximum of (I think it was) 30 days; then they'd rectify the problem themselves at 10-100x the fair going rate (IE - they'd charge you $500 to cut your grass).

Long story short - it was very easy to rack up 2-3k worth of fines. And it was 'the law'. And you had to pay. Or they'd take your house and sell it at a tax auction.
 
2012-06-16 08:28:38 AM  
Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link
 
2012-06-16 08:32:15 AM  
I feel terrible for this woman. Vegetable gardens are labors of love, lawns are maintenance.

Everyone complaining about property values should remember that their properties already took a huge dive and it had nothing to do with a nice lady growing food.

If I were anywhere near Tulsa I'd show up with a truckload of seedlings and replant this garden in a heartbeat.
 
2012-06-16 08:34:16 AM  
I like this excuse. Everyday I have a dandelion-poison ivy-terror vine salad.
 
2012-06-16 08:34:36 AM  
I'd rather look at her yard, a riot of life in a variety of attractive forms, colors and smells, especially since they're all useful, than at an aesthetically sterile expanse of boring grass with a few flowers tucked in the back.

It comes down to jealousy or racism (or both) here. If more of her neighbors had talked to her, they might have wanted to do something similar in their yards, which would make the neighborhood look even nicer.

Of course, and I know that's not the case here, if someone moves into a neighborhood with a Homeowner's Association, it's their own fault if they get in trouble when they can't abide by the inane rules.
 
2012-06-16 08:37:12 AM  
I can't believe they cut down her nut trees too. Such a waste. Not sure what kind of trees she had, but pecan trees take more than 20 years to bear nuts good enough to eat.
 
2012-06-16 08:37:27 AM  

Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Quite probably, but it's doubtful that the reason had anything to do with the state of her garden. That was just a convenient tool they could use to hurt her.

Seriously, cutting down her TREES?
 
2012-06-16 08:38:59 AM  

ksdanj: I figured this woman was African-American before I ever clicked on the video.

Tulsa is full of racists and that racism permeates city government and the enforcement of city ordinances.


I had a similar response.

Friend of mine was arrested the other day for the crime of being black in public. He was charged with resisting arrest even though A: they had no reason to arrest him to begin with and B: it's clear from the fact that he has no scuff marks or bruises whatsoever that he did not resist in any way.

Love Tulsa...
 
2012-06-16 08:39:53 AM  
"And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves"


Or you know, you just don't spray and you start your plants from open pollinated seed and you compost your trimmings and vegetable peelings for fertilizer.
 
2012-06-16 08:42:12 AM  

propasaurus: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.


Welcome to civilization. Now stop being different.
 
2012-06-16 08:43:37 AM  
Who has more rights over what your yard looks like: you or your neighbors?

The city, apparently.
 
2012-06-16 08:47:40 AM  

MBrady: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.


I might think it looks ugly, but it's their property. They can decorate how they want. You don't own the view
 
2012-06-16 08:48:04 AM  

UltimaCS: As someone with a background in code enforcement, I can tell you that this is plain stupid. The officers overstepped their authority. If they trespassed on that woman's property without a judge's blessing, they could be in a whole lot of trouble.


The lawyers are probably lining up outside her door right now.


Tulsa has a lot of lawyers.
 
2012-06-16 08:56:19 AM  

icepriestess: Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.


Yeah. When we go house hunting, we're going to be looking for things like cars up on blocks (this is the South, they're common). Not that I particularly want to add that particular eyesore to my life, but I'd rather have neighbors with cars on blocks in their yards than a town/HOA/neighbor who keep me from doing anything they think is "unsightly". If they can do what they want in their yards, I can do what I want in my yard.

It's like everything else: the group with the authority to make other people do what you want has the authority to make you do what other people want. Not robbing banks, that's probably a good thing; not growing grass half an inch too long, definitely a bad thing.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-06-16 08:58:52 AM  

Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her,


You are precisely the kind of person I told my real estate agent I wanted to avoid living near. I'm not interested in living near self involved jackasses who aren't happy unless they're meddling in the business of everyone around them.
 
2012-06-16 09:01:55 AM  
I grow vegetables in my front yard. My neighbors love it. Eventually though the veggies will be replaced by fruit trees.

/Pomegranate, lemon, lime, peaches, oranges, grapefruit, grapes and Japanese plums so far.
 
2012-06-16 09:04:53 AM  

hbk72777: Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link


So some columnist with the New York Times who tried their hand at a vegetable garden is the source for your cost comparison? Most gardeners do not spend a fortune on tools and sprays. I work hard to help people see that this is not necessary, and that growing your own is economically viable and much healthier. Have you ever seen the produce section in a poor part of town? It looks like the cast offs from the produce section from the wealthier suburbs. And probably is. Not to mention the cost of purchasing this produce as a percentage of their income. This is a large contributor to the fast food/junk food/obesity problem in less affluent areas.
 
2012-06-16 09:06:21 AM  
Kinda reminds me of a few years ago when my parents left the house as pictured in the upper row and returned to it looking like in the lower row:

www.clusterfake.net
 
2012-06-16 09:12:30 AM  
She probably got bronchitis. Ain't nobody got time for that.

/Step. 1) Go over code enforcement building with fine tooth comb looking for Accessibility violations.
///Step 3) Revenge.
 
2012-06-16 09:13:52 AM  

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


True story bro: One time I lived in a house were the backyard was unsuitable for gardening.

The only requirement for a front yard garden should be that it's not allowed to go to weeds or die from lack of water.

starlost: the yard looks like heck especially by the side of the house. it looks like she threw seeds around and planted a few plants and walked away without maintaining it. if the plants were in well defined sections the yard would look incredible.


A garden whose primary purpose is to provide food will look like this. When they have to make a choice between production or aesthetics, they chose production. Go check out a local farm sometime. The only reason it looks like an eyesore to you is that you're not used to seeing it.
 
2012-06-16 09:14:38 AM  
How can someone not be charged criminally with at least trespass, I'd think this would be vandalism or similar too
 
2012-06-16 09:17:43 AM  

doglover: If Americans had any of their original spirit left,


...we'd be slaves forced to build another White House.
 
2012-06-16 09:22:41 AM  

hbk72777: And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,


Buy the plants? Um, have you heard of these things called "seeds"? They're this newfangled way to get plants. Y'see, you stick them in the ground, and put water on them, and little plants sprout....

Buy the soil? I have to assume you live somewhere that is completely paved. Your whole yard. For people who don't, soil is what they walk on. It's the ground. You dig a hole in it and install your plant. The one you grew from a seed.

Buy the sprays? Most people who use large amounts of pesticides, though, do so because they want a vegetable equivalent of one of those HOA-approved lawns. If you can endure plants that look like real plants, not plastic plants, pesticides are rarely necessary, and fertilizer is cheap.
 
2012-06-16 09:22:51 AM  
I live in a heavily Portuguese/Italian neighbourhood in Toronto. People's postage-stamp front yards are for growing herbs and tomatoes, and for virgin mary shrines. It would probably give the neighbours and city officials in this story aneurisms. Why do Americans hate freedom?
 
2012-06-16 09:24:02 AM  

The Voice of Doom: Kinda reminds me of a few years ago when my parents left the house as pictured in the upper row and returned to it looking like in the lower row:

[www.clusterfake.net image 640x480]


Ouch.

I do understand how this happens, though. Someone planted trees that they thought would be perfect little cones around 6 to 8 foot tall, FOREVER. It is hard for many folks to visualize how the mature specimen of a pretty little evergreen purchased at the local hardware store will look and behave. Planting trees and shrubs too close to the house or drive is common, and so sad when the plants have to be cut down or trimmed into ugliness. Happens all the time.
 
2012-06-16 09:25:37 AM  

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


fark that noise. I would much prefer to live next to someone using their yard that way & would pay accordingly.
 
2012-06-16 09:25:48 AM  

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


If you don't want you neighbors to have a garden, then move to a f*ckin condo.
 
2012-06-16 09:28:47 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.


Not on the mobile page.
 
2012-06-16 09:29:14 AM  

Fifi Le Pew: hbk72777: Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link

So some columnist with the New York Times who tried their hand at a vegetable garden is the source for your cost comparison? Most gardeners do not spend a fortune on tools and sprays. I work hard to help people see that this is not necessary, and that growing your own is economically viable and much healthier. Have you ever seen the produce section in a poor part of town? It looks like the cast offs from the produce section from the wealthier suburbs. And probably is. Not to mention the cost of purchasing this produce as a percentage of their income. This is a large contributor to the fast food/junk food/obesity problem in less affluent areas.


If you start with seeds the cost is even ridiculously lower.

I have a vegetable garden in my back yard and can't even imagine how pissed I would be if this happened to me.
 
2012-06-16 09:29:45 AM  

The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever plants are native to the area?


Exactly.

Where I live, chemical herbicides and insecticides for lawns were banned several years ago. People's lawns aren't so artificially green as they used, many are full of weeds, others have simply been replaced with hardier species such as clover. One of my neighbours even replaced his whole front lawn with a Japanese rock garden. You know what ? nobody cares. No one died, kids and pets can safely play in the front or backyard of any house and the sacrosanct property values are still climbing.

It's 2012. The perfectly manicured front lawn is so 20th century...
 
2012-06-16 09:38:03 AM  
I dunno about this one. I generally think that HOAs are the devil incarnate and hat the city should mind their own business, but it sounds to me like she wanted a big tall garden and is trying to play rules lawyer. She picked plants that COULD be eaten, not necessarily ants she WAS eating. Also, it mentions that she was making her livelihood from this garden... That makes it sounds like a commercial operation to me.
 
2012-06-16 09:38:37 AM  

AbbeySomeone: propasaurus: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.

Yep. Who gives a sh*t about their neighbors plants? Mine are loud but don't say jack about my yard.


I have about a 10'X7' garden in my front yard, but all my neighbors say is, "You're garden's looking' good!" I do love my neighborhood!
 
2012-06-16 09:41:26 AM  

MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.


I like this.... I'm going to take 12 used toilets, put THEM up on blocks, paint THEM pink, then use them for planters. Fark zoning or the neighbors, this will be my artistic, first-amendment protected, free-speechifying statement against big-agra, and nobody, NOBODY, yeah, not even YOU, mister, can stop me fro...gbnxcjdyyswg (thud)
 
2012-06-16 09:43:24 AM  
I love my garden, it takes a lot more time and work than a normal yard and should INCREASE the value of the neighborhood as the person caring for it shows that they actually care for stuff and not sit at a couch calling code enforcement every 10 minutes.

Grass in my area is a completely pointless waste of time. Short of being good for sports and cause some people think it's pretty grass is worthless here. We don't live in England anymore, people. Natural prairie grass is fine and livestock like it and the leftovers from vegetable gardens. The grass in my yard requires way more water than some of my edible plants.

Given the choice this is my ideal neighbor. I just hope my city finally decided to allow chicken hens like Denver did last year.
 
2012-06-16 09:44:42 AM  
I wish my neighbors were growing mint. Instead they are growing a herd of destructive little vandals who do things like put holes in the privacy fences and graffiti everyone's garage doors. I hate being the 'get off my lawn' neighbor, but when they're throwing softballs and baseballs at every window they can see, it's not just harmless kids playing.

I wish this lady would replace the neighbors from hell.
 
2012-06-16 09:44:52 AM  

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country


Oh THATS why the world is farked.

// Your opinion, change it
/ Or at the very least allow others to have theirs
 
2012-06-16 09:45:45 AM  

Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


The horror, THE HORROR of having to look at a bunch of overgrown plants whenever they looked out the window! How inconsiderate of this woman not to realize she might be offending the subjective tastes of these people.
 
2012-06-16 09:46:42 AM  
The worst part is that they cut down her trees. A garden can be replanted (and if any of her neighbors have souls left, they will band together and help her do it). Most trees take years to grow large enough to produce a useful quantity of nuts/fruit. And by the way, most likely the reason for the front yard garden is that the back yard is full of vegetables, which the neighbors would surely find even more unsightly.

A nice picket fence around the front yard would go a long way toward making the place look tidier, but those are probably against code. (Hedges, if they're legal, would block too much sunlight.)

/I had a great edible container garden on my balcony when I lived in CA, but here in TX I can't keep anything alive. Still, I'm not above cutting a bit of rosemary from the landscaping from time to time.
 
2012-06-16 09:46:58 AM  

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


You don't actually know what the word "conform" means, do you?
 
2012-06-16 09:50:06 AM  

MBrady: So you wouldn't mind living next to someone with 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink?


Nope. I live in a well to do ecliptic neighborhood. You will see a supermarket cart used as a planter in front of a house painted with black stripes on top of pink next to a 900k McMansion. At yet we all manage to get along.

/largely because we don't have asses like you living in our neighborhood
 
2012-06-16 09:51:56 AM  

gingerjet: Nope. I live in a well to do ecliptic neighborhood.


Ecliptic? *cue Inigo Montoya*
 
2012-06-16 09:52:46 AM  

bmfderek: I have about a 10'X7' garden in my front yard, but all my neighbors say is, "You're garden's looking' good!" I do love my neighborhood!


Honestly despite all the stories about code enforcement of HOAs you see on fark I would assume that this is normal behavior. It's just that neighbors commenting on a garden positively doesn't get printed in the news. Of course I live in the heathen frozen wastes of Canada so YMMV. HOA's are very uncommon in our neck of the woods. There is a house in Halifax the homeowner painted her house in chalkboard paint and the whole neighborhood would write messages on it with caulk that she left out for them. I'm not sure if they are still doing it though.
 
2012-06-16 09:54:55 AM  

Egoy3k: bmfderek: I have about a 10'X7' garden in my front yard, but all my neighbors say is, "You're garden's looking' good!" I do love my neighborhood!

Honestly despite all the stories about code enforcement of HOAs you see on fark I would assume that this is normal behavior. It's just that neighbors commenting on a garden positively doesn't get printed in the news. Of course I live in the heathen frozen wastes of Canada so YMMV. HOA's are very uncommon in our neck of the woods. There is a house in Halifax the homeowner painted her house in chalkboard paint and the whole neighborhood would write messages on it with caulk that she left out for them. I'm not sure if they are still doing it though.


Caulk? Shait, that sound pretty permanent.

/I know, you meant chalk. I'm not stupid either.
 
2012-06-16 10:05:02 AM  
Fifi Le Pew
Ouch.


Yeah. Thankfully a neighbor called them and told them what had happened or that sight would have hit them completely unprepared.


I do understand how this happens, though.Someone planted trees that they thought would be perfect little cones around 6 to 8 foot tall, FOREVER. It is hard for many folks to visualize how the mature specimen of a pretty little evergreen purchased at the local hardware store will look and behave. Planting trees and shrubs too close to the house or drive is common, and so sad when the plants have to be cut down or trimmed into ugliness. Happens all the time.


In this case though:
The house sits on top of a slightly bent T-section in the road and for the first time in 30 years the driver of a truck carrying logs tried to take a turn at the T instead of carefully passing through it.
Well, FAIL:
www.clusterfake.net

So, since the folks in this rural hill village are practical folks, someone was like:
"Oh shiat. What can we do to avoid this happening again?
Hey, compared to the road, the patch on the other side of that house where those train tracks were 100 years ago is still straight as an arrow.
No corners to negotiate, no confusion which way to go the next time we hire another out-of-towner to drive the truck.
Here, hold my beer, I'll get Cleetus and his bulldozer to clear the shrubbery and make a path wide enough for trucks."
 
2012-06-16 10:07:11 AM  
She will lose. Had a neighbor who complained about my flower garden and I had to remove them. The neighbor had a non-compliant fence, but that was just fine. It was grandfathered.
 
2012-06-16 10:11:25 AM  
This is an example of how petty, mean an vindictive local government officials can be. Many of you are worried about what the feds might do to you, but what you really need to worry about about is the local code officials and cops.

A few years ago I lived in a suburban town where one of the teachers inherited a large piece of property. He allowed the property to become derelict while he was negotiating a sale with some developers. The property literally reverted to forest, and the house started to lean to one side and looked as if it was going to collapse. Never once did anyone from the town take any action against this teacher. While this property had become a safety and health hazard, the town summonsed an elderly man who was suffering from Parkinson's disease because his grass had gone over 4 inches high.
 
2012-06-16 10:17:51 AM  

ksdanj: Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

I wouldn't have any problem living next door to this woman.


My city has been *encouraging* people to have food gardens in their front yard, so I'm getting a kick

/ours is still in the back
//more sun
 
2012-06-16 10:22:35 AM  

Fifi Le Pew: I read somewhere that America's obsession with lawns is some kind of throwback to what we feel looks wealthy.

Yup, it dates back to rich estates in France, but really didn't take off in America until Better Homes and Garden and Scotts used social pressure to force new yards on us. All the way up to and through WWII people used yards to grow food for themselves and their livestock.

Today yards are design to be endless stream revenue for the lawn industry. Grass is monoculture and preferred varieties are not drought tolerant. (Ever let you grass go brown during a drought. Notice which plants are still green? The so called weeds- there is no money to be made from plants that don't need fertilizer- so the industry declares them "bad')

They require a ridiculous amount of water that rivals many states water use set aside for food crops. Removal of "weeds" like clover remove natural ways to replenish soil nutrients. So chemical are need to feed the lawns which kills the soil setting up the endless cash cycle of fertilizing. In America, more is always better, so people over fertilize leading to run off which cause a host of problem in rivers, lakes, and drinking water. Not letting grass grow out to seed requires having to reseed periodical.

I did a thesis paper on this, it is amazing how we've all fight so hard to keep the lawn industry rich, instead of following common sense.
 
2012-06-16 10:26:11 AM  

Worldwalker: hbk72777: And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Buy the plants? Um, have you heard of these things called "seeds"? They're this newfangled way to get plants. Y'see, you stick them in the ground, and put water on them, and little plants sprout....

Buy the soil? I have to assume you live somewhere that is completely paved. Your whole yard. For people who don't, soil is what they walk on. It's the ground. You dig a hole in it and install your plant. The one you grew from a seed.

Buy the sprays? Most people who use large amounts of pesticides, though, do so because they want a vegetable equivalent of one of those HOA-approved lawns. If you can endure plants that look like real plants, not plastic plants, pesticides are rarely necessary, and fertilizer is cheap.


This.

If you have all clay or all sand soil you need to amend it before you get going, but even that can be absurdly cheap. We have straight clay, but my city sells compost for pretty damn cheap and this weekend it's free with proof of residency. So we're getting the last of the melons in today. Whee!

Other than that, seeds + two bags of peat mix + recycled trays and pots (free, saved from previous years), fence and wood saved from previous years except maybe $20 worth... yeah, just the freaking peas, lettuce, and chives we've gotten so far have been worth more than we've spent.

/we have a stupid amount of lettuce
 
2012-06-16 10:29:12 AM  
Even after watching the video I can't seem to find any good pictures of this garden. Her yard might have genuinely looked awful, I want to get mad at the city officials who acted like jackasses, but when all of the pictures I'm looking at are close ups of a pretty flower and not the greater view of the house, I can't use those as evidence. The only picture backed away more than 7 ft was this one.
kotv.images.worldnow.com
Those plants look sloppy in my mind, and that's just one portion of the house.
And as an afterthought, having an inoperable car on your lawn doesn't help your case either.
 
2012-06-16 10:30:24 AM  

Flat_Panda: Fifi Le Pew: I read somewhere that America's obsession with lawns is some kind of throwback to what we feel looks wealthy.
Yup, it dates back to rich estates in France, but really didn't take off in America until Better Homes and Garden and Scotts used social pressure to force new yards on us. All the way up to and through WWII people used yards to grow food for themselves and their livestock.

Today yards are design to be endless stream revenue for the lawn industry. Grass is monoculture and preferred varieties are not drought tolerant. (Ever let you grass go brown during a drought. Notice which plants are still green? The so called weeds- there is no money to be made from plants that don't need fertilizer- so the industry declares them "bad')

They require a ridiculous amount of water that rivals many states water use set aside for food crops. Removal of "weeds" like clover remove natural ways to replenish soil nutrients. So chemical are need to feed the lawns which kills the soil setting up the endless cash cycle of fertilizing. In America, more is always better, so people over fertilize leading to run off which cause a host of problem in rivers, lakes, and drinking water. Not letting grass grow out to seed requires having to reseed periodical.

I did a thesis paper on this, it is amazing how we've all fight so hard to keep the lawn industry rich, instead of following common sense.


===============

Yup. I know someone who ripped out his lawn and covered his yard with decorative stone. The town issued him a summons after the neighbors complained. His lawyer pointed out that there was no town ordinance requiring a grass lawn. The town then passed a ordinance requiring grass lawns. My friend got to keep his stone covered yard because he was grandfathered.
 
2012-06-16 10:33:36 AM  
The actual problem: she lives in Tulsa.

Solution: Move.
 
2012-06-16 10:35:11 AM  

MBrady:

So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters,


Can we narrow this down a bit? Are we talking just the tanks?

www.toilettanklid.com

Or just the bowls?

farm5.staticflickr.com

Or the whole thing?

i307.photobucket.com

Or some sort of design thing?

2.bp.blogspot.com

Cause there's a lot of possibilities out there.

/all on the first page of the GIS, too
//hot like the peppers in my greenhouse
 
2012-06-16 10:50:07 AM  

Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.


You know what looks like shiat to me? People with a lawn full of sod just for the sake of having sod. If you have livestock that eats the grass, that's one thing, but using tons of water and fertilizer to feed the grass just looks arrogant and wasteful to me. And then what do people do with their clippings? They throw them away. What a farkin waste of land. Property ownership used to be important because land was used for growing crops that aided themselves and their community. Property ownership these days is largely an arrogant display of "I got mine, now f*ck off!"
 
2012-06-16 10:56:07 AM  
What're the odds that the complaining neighbor(s) had a friend or relative at the City Ordinance office? This whole things seems pretty shoved through despite a judge's ruling and for that alone, I support the woman in TFA.
 
2012-06-16 10:58:26 AM  

2xhelix: One of my friends had a neighbor call code enforcement because his grass was 1/2" too tall. The city didn't care that the reason was that it had been raining for over a week so he couldn't cut it, they still cited him. Tulsa's code department is like an HOA run amok.


I know someone that gets periodic letters from code enforcement over a similar situation. When it's rainy the weeds grow, he can't deal with them until the ground dries a bit. The people he talks to understand the issue, he's never actually been fined but the idiots who do the checking don't pay attention to the weather and send out a lot of such notices.

loveblondieo: The My Little Pony Killer: There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

The before pictures actually look better. From what I can see, it was kept up with and frames the house nicely.


Yeah, I've always liked the controlled-"wild" look. I definitely prefer the before.

Zalan: I like how the article mentions that she went to court to stop the process, the judge continued the case, and the city came and destroyed everything the day after the continuance.


I suspect what happened is some moron was sure they would win and scheduled the cleanup and then it wasn't cancelled when the judge didn't grant permission. I do agree that judge will be quite upset.
 
2012-06-16 11:06:35 AM  
Mark Ratner

"I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat."

Don't look at it. Problem solved.

"So I say live and let live. That's my motto: Live and let live. Anyone who can't go along with that, take 'em outside and shoot the motherfarker." - George Carlin
 
2012-06-16 11:10:46 AM  
You know what is driving down property values in America?

A: HOA's

The first question I am asked by any person just finding out I am a homeowner is "There's no HOA, is there?"
Lots of front yard gardens in the neighborhood. The only property anyone hates is the 3 story behemoth of a duplex 3 doors up the block. It's a nice place, but it doesn't fit in.
 
2012-06-16 11:11:18 AM  
that sucks
 
2012-06-16 11:26:39 AM  

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


How about, if you want to control everything within view of your house, you buy all that farking land yourself.
 
2012-06-16 11:32:04 AM  

s2s2s2: You know what is driving down property values in America?


A: repercussions from the mortgage crisis
 
2012-06-16 11:34:41 AM  
We just bought a house with a "wild" front yard and I just got in from hacking at it with a weeder and shears... so I'm getting a kick out of this thread. Hopefully the neighbours will give us a few years to get everything looking more managed before they flip their shiat and bring in the city to mow down our leeks and strawberries...
 
2012-06-16 11:38:35 AM  
What. The. Fark.

I own property, and if anyone comes up to me saying what I can and cannot grow on it will be introduced to Mr. Remington. This is my land, and dammit I own it. It's not the government's land, it's not a homeowner's association property. It's MINE. I worked hard and paid for it. I have a deed and everything!
 
2012-06-16 11:42:39 AM  

Mark Ratner: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


I thought Tulsa WAS the f*ckin' country!
 
2012-06-16 11:59:40 AM  

cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.


So This.
 
2012-06-16 12:02:24 PM  

Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Yeah because all neighbors are completely sane and honorable.
www.blogcdn.com

/hot like the fires of hell waiting for her
 
2012-06-16 12:04:19 PM  
Now that the city has mowed it down, the appropriate response for her is to never water it and let everything become nice and brown. That should satisfy the neighbors.
 
2012-06-16 12:15:17 PM  

Mark Ratner: Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Yes, because YOUR front yard isn't yours.

Your idiocy is dropping my property values, which are kind of a big deal. So please move.
 
2012-06-16 12:18:30 PM  
Property smallholders are the most entitled people on earth, with the least justification. I would that I could not live next to them.
 
2012-06-16 12:21:56 PM  

maelstrom0370: What're the odds that the complaining neighbor(s) had a friend or relative at the City Ordinance office? This whole things seems pretty shoved through despite a judge's ruling and for that alone, I support the woman in TFA.


Seems like contempt of court.
 
2012-06-16 12:23:42 PM  

hbk72777: Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link


Oh, boy, the conservatives who forget that 'a man's home is his castle,' with a second grader's understanding of rule of law. There are bad guys- the code enforcers trespassed and destroyed her property without due process.

And you're assuming some things about her gardening practices. I organically grow in my garden. I don't spray anything other than some very diluted Doc Bronner's soap to keep bugs off. I don't buy soil. I compost and use that. And my cats keep rodents under control.

There's nothing more 'boot strappy' than growing your own food.
 
2012-06-16 12:23:51 PM  
I doubt i'll ever get the opportunity but I'd want to make my lawn a completely alien looking landscape. Colored sand, weird looking fake tree's and plants..i'd make it look like pandora in my backyard.
 
2012-06-16 12:24:53 PM  

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


LOL, the largest property values around here are large houses in the rural residential part of town where there are no grass height restrictions and it's common for million dollar homes to have at least part of their property grown wild. People put way too much stock in the post ww 2 southern california cookie cutter being the perfection of property value (plus looks only potentially affect the value if you're actively trying to sell).
 
2012-06-16 12:29:50 PM  
If she wins and is allowed to keep her garden, I would not be the least bit surprised if the police received an 'anonymous" tip that she may or may not be growing marijuana in her garden.
 
2012-06-16 12:38:58 PM  
Always Get It In Writing

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-16 12:40:02 PM  
You can come for my garden once you get past me and my dogs.
 
2012-06-16 12:40:25 PM  
A nation of grass farmers
 
2012-06-16 12:41:48 PM  
F*ck lawns. Seriously.
 
2012-06-16 12:47:27 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Always Get It In Writing

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 347x346]


Damn right. Particularly when you are living in a suburban area with shiatty neighbors.

That said, not only do I hope she wins and wins large dollars (though it will likely never go to trial, the city will settle to get this out of the media...pretty tremendous black eye they have already), but I hope she wins enough to buy a house outside the city limits where she doesn't have to get farked over by bureaucrats and assholes ever again.
 
2012-06-16 12:52:58 PM  

starlost: in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.


You can make a delicious tea with dandelion leaves.
 
2012-06-16 12:54:56 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.


You know what she should've said "I don't care. Send in the lawyers."

Obviously, I agree with you.
 
2012-06-16 12:55:08 PM  
Were there pics of the front yard in the non mobile site? I would have to see the pics to see if she was interpreting the ordinance right or just some farked up way.

I once lived next door to a woman who grew her own "garden" it really looked like a bunch of weeds with a picket fence around it. She was pissed as well when the county made gave her 30 days to relocate it to her ample back yard or they would take them out.
 
2012-06-16 12:55:49 PM  
I agree with most of what people are saying in here. Don't cut it down... (Let her finish the year off at least.) After that, put 'em in the back. Also a couple of things tweaked me while reading...

"Could be eaten." That was one. For human consumption means that that is what it was meant for. Could means only that it could, I'm nitpicking but the tone certainly indicates that this is now more about hoping to win the lawsuit lottery, and maybe that's for the best but... What is the goal now?

The other thing that made me curious is that she was unemployed and was gone for a few days, came back, sat in the driveway, cried, and then left again... Hmm... Is this a second home? It appears that they had had issues in the past with code enforcement.

Now, I'm not a lawyer. But - when they got the citation (good on the police officer by the way) and it went to court the judge delayed it and told them to come back to court at a latter date. The city still went in and mowed the mess down. I wonder if someone should be being prosecuted for having done so? Is there someone at the city who should now be losing their job and potentially facing jail time for contempt or violation of court orders?

So, all sorts of things are crappy at the city level but one sets off a huge alarm buzzer. There are a couple of things about her story that set off smaller alarms and make me now wonder about her motivation at this current time. Normally I'd not care about her motive, it shouldn't matter. But if the motive is to make bank at this point then it may explain some of the above away though it also brings credibility (I'm not bound by the law in judging people) into question.

So, having said that?

Let the damned lady grow her food. If you want then have her move the trees out back. Either way, the shiat is in the ground already - let her at least finish the damned year off.
 
2012-06-16 12:56:45 PM  

vudutek: I like this.... I'm going to take 12 used toilets, put THEM up on blocks, paint THEM pink, then use them for planters.


*slowgolfclap.gif*
 
2012-06-16 12:56:46 PM  

austin_millbarge: Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yeah because all neighbors are completely sane and honorable.
[www.blogcdn.com image 348x232]

/hot like the fires of hell waiting for her


You win one internet my friend.
 
2012-06-16 01:01:11 PM  

Worldwalker:

Buy the soil? I have to assume you live somewhere that is completely paved. Your whole yard..


it happens :'( paved or all the topsoil ripped off and gravel sholved down in place.

replacing the topsoil is bloody expensive, but the whole place is turning into garden bit by bit as I have time and money.
 
2012-06-16 01:07:33 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: starlost: in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.

You can make a delicious tea with dandelion leaves.


She mentioned having health issues. Dandelion is one of the best plants for a number of health issues.
Also MarkRatner if you were trolling, well done.
 
2012-06-16 01:08:08 PM  

vudutek: MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I like this.... I'm going to take 12 used toilets, put THEM up on blocks, paint THEM pink, then use them for planters. Fark zoning or the neighbors, this will be my artistic, first-amendment protected, free-speechifying statement against big-agra, and nobody, NOBODY, yeah, not even YOU, mister, can stop me fro...gbnxcjdyyswg (thud)


Bowling balls make excellent driveway edge delineators, for those of you with loved ones who park by braille. They come in any color you could want, are not hard to find in quantity (people will give them to you) and add a touch of whimsy to your landscape.
 
2012-06-16 01:10:34 PM  
I think this is more of a case where both sides failed to compromise. 12" is ridiculously low and I seriously doubt the city would have done anything if they were rose bushes. On the other hand, her yard was very unsightly and unkempted. If her plants were placed in a more decorative manner, I'm sure her neighbors wouldn't have complained
 
2012-06-16 01:18:21 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Now, I'm not a lawyer. But - when they got the citation (good on the police officer by the way) and it went to court the judge delayed it and told them to come back to court at a latter date. The city still went in and mowed the mess down. I wonder if someone should be being prosecuted for having done so? Is there someone at the city who should now be losing their job and potentially facing jail time for contempt or violation of court orders?


Here's what I think happened: The city was certain they would win in court, so they scheduled their mowing people to come in the day after the court date; they probably thought it would be an open-and-shut case. Then when they didn't get the court order they were planning on, somebody dropped the ball and forgot to cancel the mowing people. What's more likely is that after they failed to get the court order, nobody knew they NEEDED to cancel the mowers. Somebody in code enforcement probably told his secretary to schedule the mowers in the first place, but when it went to court it was handled by the city attorney who probably had no idea that the mowers had been scheduled. He probably thought the case was entirely his and neglected to keep the code enforcement guy posted.

Regardless, the city will end up paying out the nose for violation of court orders if nothing else. They're screwed.
 
2012-06-16 01:20:41 PM  

loveblondieo: The people who actually did the mowing should be in jail for trespass.


Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.

doglover: If your boss tells you to cut down an old woman's nut tree, you tell your boss to go fark himself.


Here's another one. That's very brave of you to have someone else make the sacrifice of their job so you can feel better.
 
2012-06-16 01:21:56 PM  

icepriestess: MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I wouldn't mind. Yeah, it sounds tacky and potentially gross, but imagine how spiffy my yard would look by comparison. Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.

You don't want to live next to people like that. I used to live next to a guy who was. He stole and sold to pawnshops packages delivered to my house. The cars leaked fluids into the ground and when he was drunk (every day almost) He would toss the bottles out his window and forget about them. When the Moran was arrested for thieft the state or the county (I can't remember it was so long ago) came in with a kinda hazmat team and animal rescue. The asshole's cats i thought were just a few turned out he had 10-20 inside. They tore down the house and cleaned the yard abouta good 5 inches of soil was removed and I was worried because I had well water at the time.

But the woman's yard does look like a disaster for a medical garden. She should know to have everything labeled and spaced so there is no mix up in herbs when using them for medical purposes.

 
2012-06-16 01:22:11 PM  
When it's against the law to feed off the land you own, you know you're in a world of shiat.
 
2012-06-16 01:25:55 PM  

ScotterOtter: I think this is more of a case where both sides failed to compromise. 12" is ridiculously low and I seriously doubt the city would have done anything if they were rose bushes. On the other hand, her yard was very unsightly and unkempted. If her plants were placed in a more decorative manner, I'm sure her neighbors wouldn't have complained


Hmm, you sound like an expert.
 
2012-06-16 01:27:19 PM  

starlost: the yard looks like heck especially by the side of the house. it looks like she threw seeds around and planted a few plants and walked away without maintaining it. if the plants were in well defined sections the yard would look incredible. she's still right but don't be surprised if a local law is passed saying gardens can't be seen from the street or must be fenced or something.like that. too bad she had a feud with zoning or the neighbors and everyone else gets screwed thanks to this.


So you're going to share pictures of your fabulous garden? No?

Then STFU. Her yard looks fine.
 
2012-06-16 01:29:24 PM  

suburbanguy: The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

Not on the mobile page.


And therefore Sarah Palin is world president and Obama has to clean out her toilets.

Or you could just switch to the regular version instead of acting as though the pictures don't count.
 
2012-06-16 01:30:36 PM  
i486.photobucket.com
I hate the ass-clowns that grow these in their front yards.
 
2012-06-16 01:31:05 PM  

bel4sucks: Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.


"I was only following orders" is not a valid defense.

They're guilty of tresspass.

The person who gave the orders is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

They should all be held accountable.
 
2012-06-16 01:34:25 PM  

quickdraw: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

Me too.


Like eleventy bazillion dollars.
 
2012-06-16 01:34:33 PM  

icepriestess: MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I wouldn't mind. Yeah, it sounds tacky and potentially gross, but imagine how spiffy my yard would look by comparison. Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.

I've had friends who lived in neighborhoods that didn't allow swingsets, clotheslines, certain amounts and heights or trees, etc. I always wondered why they put up with that. I have zero interest in such nonsense.


Turns out Colorado has a right to dry law, spacifically enshrining the right of homeowners to line dry no matter the HOA or city ordinances.

\It's so insanely easy to line dry year round here, I only use the machine to finish shirts that wrinkle.
 
2012-06-16 01:54:56 PM  

cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.


I note that the folks bringing up "property value" usually aren't looking at selling their house. Often someone retired who will probably never sell in their lifetime.

It's just something convenient you can say to justify your interest in someone else's business, and people will buy it, even though it's a pretty thin premise.
 
2012-06-16 01:55:15 PM  

alice_600: Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.


We intend to do exactly that, for exactly that reason.
 
2012-06-16 01:55:53 PM  

Mark Ratner:

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


Tulsa IS the country.

/probably already been said.
 
2012-06-16 01:58:33 PM  

clyph: bel4sucks: Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.

"I was only following orders" is not a valid defense.

They're guilty of tresspass.

The person who gave the orders is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

They should all be held accountable.


This line of defense is scarier than any government oversight. You want to blame the city worker who had a city issued work order. It's not the messenger's job to dictate right and wrong. You gonna take a jail sentence or fines because someone above you farked up on a work order? Cause if you (any everyone else) aren't willing to do that, then stfu.
 
2012-06-16 02:01:08 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: propasaurus: Bathia_Mapes: propasaurus: Yes. I think the reason is that they're assholes.

I concur. She was growing plants & trees for food, and whether or not her neighbors or the city like it, it's legal.

And she took the time to research the appropriate ordinances so she would be in compliance.

Exactly.


Depends how far up the legal system she can afford to go to find a judge that will agree with her. :/

She wouldn't do it, but this would be prime territory for the First Lady to interject.
 
2012-06-16 02:01:12 PM  

Mark Ratner: CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Who wouldn't want the house next door? Gardeners always grow more food than they can eat, and they give it to their neighbors. Or they do if their neighbors aren't assholes.

The city cut down fruit and nut trees. They owe her money.
 
2012-06-16 02:05:18 PM  

Mark Ratner: Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


No its not, unless youre trying to sell your house. Otherwise a lower property value means a lower tax bill, i fail to see the problem.
 
2012-06-16 02:06:33 PM  
The only reason we grow grass around our house is to keep the soil fertile so that a future garden can be grown. Sue the state monkeys out of existence!
 
2012-06-16 02:07:31 PM  

knobmaker: Mark Ratner: CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Who wouldn't want the house next door? Gardeners always grow more food than they can eat, and they give it to their neighbors. Or they do if their neighbors aren't assholes.

The city cut down fruit and nut trees. They owe her money.


A lot of money. Mature trees are expensive. Mature fruit and nut trees even more so.
 
2012-06-16 02:18:01 PM  
When they showed up with the mowers she should have called the police, the city was violating a court order. The city is in contempt of court and hopefully that judge has someone's balls.
 
2012-06-16 02:28:05 PM  

hbk72777: Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link


I wonder if there is something she could buy that would keep those kinds of pests out of her garden?

I wonder if there is such a thing?
 
2012-06-16 02:28:21 PM  

rustybender: Now that the city has mowed it down, the appropriate response for her is to never water it and let everything become nice and brown. That should satisfy the neighbors.


I was thinking more like a few dozen gallons of RoundUp and 4am visits to the neighbors lawns. Just gotta figure out which ones


/Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth, a Yard for a Yard.
 
2012-06-16 02:29:06 PM  
i'm not a big fan of the racism card, but she should use it. the city and her neighbors are dicks... granted she could have a history with all dem, i dunno, but if she's been all-nicelike da 'hole time, den, yah, stick it to them. call up dem ACLU rightquick.
 
2012-06-16 02:30:14 PM  

Smidge204: Mark Ratner: You might be right...but without pics, who knows. I'd like to think the city code enforcement drove by, and agreed with the asshole neighbors.

You mean pics like the ones in TFA?





Kinda shabby looking but it's clearly deliberate and not just wild overgrowth.
=Smidge=


To be fair, those pictures are not available to mobile users.

Thanks for posting them.

/not sarcastic: I am a mobile user
 
2012-06-16 02:32:27 PM  
The sad thing is Tulsa has a Green Waste recycling program:

Link

The could have sent a load of wood chip mulch and compost out with the mower jockeys, but helping an old lady spruce up her vegetable and herb garden is Socialism while vandalism and trespass are Freedom.
 
2012-06-16 02:38:33 PM  
The part that really made me mad was when she said those plants were her food and medicine, and she just sat in her driveway and cried. Just angers me. Why should someone care if their neighbor's yard is full of blossoming plants?
 
2012-06-16 02:43:53 PM  

bel4sucks: This line of defense is scarier than any government oversight. You want to blame the city worker who had a city issued work order. It's not the messenger's job to dictate right and wrong. You gonna take a jail sentence or fines because someone above you farked up on a work order? Cause if you (any everyone else) aren't willing to do that, then stfu.


So your idea is: there should be no consequences for the folks who committed an unlawful act, so long as they work for the city?

I think we've discovered someone who leans on a shovel for the county, folks.
 
2012-06-16 02:44:21 PM  
jillsbooks.files.wordpress.com

"My house is me and I am it. My house looks just like all my dreams and I am happy when I am in it."
 
2012-06-16 02:53:28 PM  
Street view of the yard in question. Having lived in Tulsa, it would appear to me that this pic is from the middle of the winter, so it's hard to really judge a garden. Also, the sun is back lighting the photo, so it's hard to judge some details. It does show however, that the street side of the yard is being mowed up until it hits the end of the garden space.

Link

The property valuation is ~31k. This is not a super haughty taughty part of town (even if that were an excuse). Her yard isn't that bad the neighbors and city should feel bad.
 
2012-06-16 02:54:10 PM  

pinguwin: Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.

If you don't want you neighbors to have a garden, then move to a f*ckin condo.


If you don't want neighbors with gardens, then move to a f*ckin condo.

If you don't want neighbors with gardens, then move to a f*ckin condo.

If you don't want neighbors with gardens, then move to a f*ckin condo.

If you don't want neighbors with gardens, then move to a f*ckin condo.

IF YOU DON'T WANT NEIGHBORS WITH GARDENS, THEN MOVE TO A F*CKIN CONDO.


/I made a minor change, but I wholeheartedly agree with the original sentiment.
 
2012-06-16 02:55:41 PM  
I asked my neighbor if my raised vegetable garden was an issue with him when he was trying to sell his house last year. He said the real estate agents showing the house were actually telling prospective homeowners that the neighbor (me) grew vegetables and would probably offer them some if I grew too many.

My garden consists of four 8'x8' raised beds alongside my driveway, and on the property line between me and that neighbor. Three of them I use for vegetables; the fourth one grows iris from my father in law's beds.

/this year I've got tomatoes, hot peppers, cucumbers, lettuce, broccoli and bell peppers
//already canned 7 pints of dill pickles
///oh, it's all in the front yard
 
2012-06-16 02:57:22 PM  

knobmaker: So your idea is: there should be no consequences for the folks who committed an unlawful act, so long as they work for the city?

I think we've discovered someone who leans on a shovel for the county, folks.


Your knee must hurt really bad jerking out like that dumbass. Anyone with any common sense can see you don't take the consequences out on the damn mowers. But hey, keep screaming for the heads of the lowest rung workers that had to go DO the dirty work, versus the ones above them who ordered it done. What happens if the garden is deemed illegal In October? You and others want these guys fired/quitting their jobs/serving jail time/paying fines when a judge hasn't even seen the case. And if it's deemed legal from the city's standpoint, you've just ruined the lives of a few city workers over plants that will grow back, to satisfy your own moral outrage.

And the first one of you to push the "just following orders" bullshiat over the top to include something that was actually violent, just kill yourself instead of bothering to type it.
 
2012-06-16 03:00:42 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Keizer_Ghidorah: starlost: in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.

You can make a delicious tea with dandelion leaves.

She mentioned having health issues. Dandelion is one of the best plants for a number of health issues.
Also MarkRatner if you were trolling, well done.


I wasn't trolling. If you read all my posts, I admit I could be wrong because I couldn't see the pics on my mobile, and I was disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

A lot of good points have been made on both sides...the city should not have mowed it all down, until the final court decision was made.

/I wonder about the fruit and nut trees that were mowed down.
//I assume they had just been planted and wouldn't mature for another 10 years.
 
2012-06-16 03:01:05 PM  
 
2012-06-16 03:03:03 PM  
WATCH THE VIDEO

The video has lots of images of her garden and, my god, it was beautiful. The city is totally in the wrong on this one. Totally.
 
2012-06-16 03:10:08 PM  
It should be pointed out that she doesn't exactly live in the best part of town. The area has one of the highest crime rates around. If you look at the Google Street View, you'll see that it's not McMansions, but there are a lot of McCrack houses and McMeth labs.. Average home price in that part of town is around $31K
 
2012-06-16 03:11:30 PM  

Flat_Panda: Fifi Le Pew: I read somewhere that America's obsession with lawns is some kind of throwback to what we feel looks wealthy.
Yup, it dates back to rich estates in France, but really didn't take off in America until Better Homes and Garden and Scotts used social pressure to force new yards on us. All the way up to and through WWII people used yards to grow food for themselves and their livestock.

Today yards are design to be endless stream revenue for the lawn industry. Grass is monoculture and preferred varieties are not drought tolerant. (Ever let you grass go brown during a drought. Notice which plants are still green? The so called weeds- there is no money to be made from plants that don't need fertilizer- so the industry declares them "bad')

They require a ridiculous amount of water that rivals many states water use set aside for food crops. Removal of "weeds" like clover remove natural ways to replenish soil nutrients. So chemical are need to feed the lawns which kills the soil setting up the endless cash cycle of fertilizing. In America, more is always better, so people over fertilize leading to run off which cause a host of problem in rivers, lakes, and drinking water. Not letting grass grow out to seed requires having to reseed periodical.

I did a thesis paper on this, it is amazing how we've all fight so hard to keep the lawn industry rich, instead of following common sense.


Is this online? I'd like to read it.

/No snark.
 
2012-06-16 03:12:05 PM  

BafflerMeal: Street view


Should have refreshed before posting and please shut the door when you exit my head.
 
2012-06-16 03:22:15 PM  

NFA: Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her,

You are precisely the kind of person I told my real estate agent I wanted to avoid living near. I'm not interested in living near self involved jackasses who aren't happy unless they're meddling in the business of everyone around them.


Yeah God forbid you pay $200k for a home then live next to people who take care of their lawns, that would be farking horrible.
 
2012-06-16 03:30:49 PM  

IronOcelot: dstanley: The Why Not Guy: The American obsession with manicured "golf course" lawns is something I'll never understand. I'm not saying neighbors should have to look at overgrown weeds, but what's wrong with a yard planted with wildflowers or well tended vegetables or whatever
plants are native to the area?

*bashes Smart button repeatedly*

*also smashes Smart button*

It's the whole my lawn has to fit in with all other lawns thing. For a nation of individuals we sure do try and make everyone conform as much as possible.


Tocqueville goes on on about tyranny of mass conformity in the US.
 
2012-06-16 03:32:43 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: did a thesis paper on this, it is amazing how we've all fight so hard to keep the lawn industry rich, instead of following common sense.

Is this online? I'd like to read it.

/No snark.



I also am interested in reading it.
 
2012-06-16 03:47:50 PM  

CrispFlows: GreatGlavinsGhost: did a thesis paper on this, it is amazing how we've all fight so hard to keep the lawn industry rich, instead of following common sense.

Is this online? I'd like to read it.

/No snark.


I also am interested in reading it.


The long and short of it is, you have another legitimate reason to hate the Scottish.
 
2012-06-16 03:53:52 PM  

clyph: bel4sucks: Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.

"I was only following orders" is not a valid defense.

They're guilty of tresspass.

The person who gave the orders is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

They should all be held accountable.


They followed what looked like reasonable orders, orders like they've done many times in the past. There's no criminal intent, no crime. The problem lies with the guy who gave the orders.
 
2012-06-16 03:58:00 PM  
Isn't it terrorism to do damage to crops? Send the entire city government of Tulsa to the gallows.
 
2012-06-16 04:18:22 PM  

CrispFlows: GreatGlavinsGhost: did a thesis paper on this, it is amazing how we've all fight so hard to keep the lawn industry rich, instead of following common sense.

Is this online? I'd like to read it.

/No snark.


I also am interested in reading it.


Ditto.

Can you imagine the founding father's take on this? Who are the arrogant douchenozzles that picked astro turf as the only acceptable view from a front yard? I have two reasons for not planting a garden in my front yard. 1) two modesto ash trees make it too shady, and 2) I live in a shiat neighborhood and there are too many asshats that would help themselves.

I have a huge garden in the backyard, though. Two 10x18' beds of corn, 16 tomato plants, 20 pickling cucumbers, jalapenos, bell peppers, artichokes, blackberries, raspberries, grapes, strawberries, and a big plum tree. I trade with the neighbors for cherries and citrus. If I ever won the lotto, I would get a bunch of property with room for orchards and livestock.

I thought her garden was beautiful, and I hope the city gets hot pokers shoved up their rectums for their display of asshattery.
 
2012-06-16 04:34:49 PM  

steamingpile: NFA: Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her,

You are precisely the kind of person I told my real estate agent I wanted to avoid living near. I'm not interested in living near self involved jackasses who aren't happy unless they're meddling in the business of everyone around them.

Yeah God forbid you pay $200k for a home then live next to people who take care of their lawns, that would be farking horrible.


Looked like she was taking care of her lawn just fine. Neighbors were being dickwads over her growing vegetables instead of grass, they need a good swift punch on the throat.
 
2012-06-16 04:38:14 PM  
Is there a place we can donate funds or seedlings to her? I'd be pissed as hell if someone mowed down my gardens! :(

/got a 5 foot tall dwarf banana tree on my desk at work
//its like a green indoor patio umbrella
 
2012-06-16 04:46:58 PM  
So instead of just sitting here and reading about it, I have the urge to do something for this woman.

Simple solution - I can't help her with her suit or help her take the belt to the city, but I can help her rebuild her edibles garden. I'm going to try and contact the lady that wrote the article and see what I can do about starting a campaign to send this poor lady some sprouts, seedlings, and cuttings to help rebuild her garden.

If it looks like Mrs. Morrison is interested, I'll submit a new link.
 
2012-06-16 04:51:46 PM  
I don't understand how the city had the right to go onto her land and cut everything down. That seems a bit excessive, to say the least.
 
2012-06-16 05:11:36 PM  

steamingpile: Yeah God forbid you pay $200k for a home then live next to people who take care of their lawns, that would be farking horrible.


I don't care if people take care of their lawns.

I don't want those people telling me how to take care of my lawn.
 
2012-06-16 05:12:23 PM  
Morrison finally went to court last week for the citation she got last August at another property. The garden portion of the citation was dismissed and she pleaded no contest to having an inoperable truck in her driveway.

WTF kind of assclown filled city is this?! They dismiss the case against her previous illegal garden. They decimate her legal garden. And she has to plead guilty to parking a farkin' inoperable vehicle in her own driveway?! I wouldn't want to live within 10 miles of that shiathole for fear of contracting a terminal case of the stupids.
 
2012-06-16 05:16:07 PM  
Given that this was in Oklahoma, and in my city no less, I'm honestly surprised that she didn't shoot them once they were on her property.
 
2012-06-16 05:29:03 PM  
Come to think of it, the city trespassed on her land and stole her property. Those tree and plant belonged to her and the city just outright took them. This should be a criminal matter.

I guess the city would rather this poor woman be living on food-stamps and welfare, being a burden on tax-payers instead of being self-sufficient. Crazy.

I can't stand boring flat lawns. We had a fire in a house on my street a few months back, and its been vacant ever since. Turns out the owners had been mowing the median in front, and now that they're gone that median has just naturally sprouted flowers and tall grasses - it's beautiful. Much nicer that all the flat green dullness that surrounds it.

I hope this poor woman fries somebody's balls for destroying her garden.
 
2012-06-16 06:15:44 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Given that this was in Oklahoma, and in my city no less, I'm honestly surprised that she they didn't shoot them her once they were on her property.


FTFY. "She was coming right at us, while we were tearing down her legal, and beautiful, plants!"

Remind me not to move to Tulsa.
 
2012-06-16 06:18:41 PM  

Loren: clyph: bel4sucks: Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.

"I was only following orders" is not a valid defense.

They're guilty of tresspass.

The person who gave the orders is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

They should all be held accountable.

They followed what looked like reasonable orders, orders like they've done many times in the past. There's no criminal intent, no crime. The problem lies with the guy who gave the orders.


It's funny how many people are completely incapable of understanding that "I was just following orders" can still be a defense to orders that are reasonable (e.g. "go cut the grass at this house"), and that it can't be used for following orders that are patently unreasonable (e.g. "go kill the lady at this house").

/lrn2nuance, people!
 
2012-06-16 06:23:12 PM  

limboslam: [i486.photobucket.com image 640x434]
I hate the ass-clowns that grow these in their front yards.


OMG, I am having that same problem with our neighbor who parks her trucks on the farking apartment lawn. It's tacky, and thankfully I think management is starting to do something about it.
 
2012-06-16 07:05:05 PM  

steamingpile: NFA: Mark Ratner: I wouldn't want to live next door to her,

You are precisely the kind of person I told my real estate agent I wanted to avoid living near. I'm not interested in living near self involved jackasses who aren't happy unless they're meddling in the business of everyone around them.

Yeah God forbid you pay $200k for a home then live next to people who take care of their lawns, that would be farking horrible.


God forbid you pay $200k for a home and not be able to do something you want in your lawn cause some neighbor won't like it.
 
2012-06-16 07:51:56 PM  

LordOfThePings: s2s2s2: You know what is driving down property values in America?

A: repercussions from the mortgage crisis


While that is true, consider this. People have protested and protested about the mortgage crisis. There have been marches, internet campaigns, petitions, complaints to elected leaders, and so on. But those who benefit from and who created the mortgage crisis have used every legal trick in the book to protect their interests and keep the mortgage crisis going. The victims of this crisis who have seen their property values drastically fall have ended up feeling helpless against the people who caused the problem.

And what do angry people do when they don't have the power to solve the real cause of their problems? That anger doesn't dissipate. It just gets transferred to somewhere else, and invariably gets used up in petty disputes like the one in this thread.

///Many people who have had had a bad day at work and can't find a way to resolve problems there tend to come home angry and take it out on their family even though their family has nothing to do with the situation that made them feel upset. This situation is kind of similar to my interpretation of what is happening here
 
2012-06-16 07:52:18 PM  

hbk72777: Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link


There is no such thing as justice, fairness, or decency. Anywhere. Occasionally the illusions of them might come together, like the illusion of the face of Jesus on a piece of toast or the virgin Mary on the mold growing in a bathroom, but they're just random fluctuations that we impose a pattern onto.

The universe - and this includes other people - has no particular inclination whether you live or die. Get used to it.
 
2012-06-16 08:22:54 PM  

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to an area where the law says you can do that OH WAIT SHE ALREADY DID THAT.
 
2012-06-16 08:31:49 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to an area where the law says you can do that OH WAIT SHE ALREADY DID THAT.


No one cares.
 
2012-06-16 08:51:07 PM  

limboslam: [i486.photobucket.com image 640x434]
I hate the ass-clowns that grow these in their front yards.


If that was my place, and I could plant anything I wanted, there would be pumpkins, corn, beans, and tomatoes.
 
2012-06-16 09:21:00 PM  

kiwimoogle84: The part that really made me mad was when she said those plants were her food and medicine, and she just sat in her driveway and cried. Just angers me. Why should someone care if their neighbor's yard is full of blossoming plants?


Because it looks like shiat?
 
2012-06-16 09:54:53 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: kiwimoogle84: The part that really made me mad was when she said those plants were her food and medicine, and she just sat in her driveway and cried. Just angers me. Why should someone care if their neighbor's yard is full of blossoming plants?

Because it looks like shiat?


To you and her asshole neighbors, maybe. To normal people and fellow gardeners it looks fine. Destroying a woman's front yard because dicktwats can't stand seeing something other than what they want to see should be punishable by having a bulldozer driven through their house.

"Sorry, but what you're doing with your property offends me, so I called the city and they're coming to demolish your eyesore tomorrow."
 
2012-06-16 10:08:13 PM  
Sounds like to me she has a douchebag neighbor who has friends in high places. I hope she makes the city pay big time.
 
2012-06-16 10:22:41 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: kiwimoogle84: The part that really made me mad was when she said those plants were her food and medicine, and she just sat in her driveway and cried. Just angers me. Why should someone care if their neighbor's yard is full of blossoming plants?

Because it looks like shiat?

To you and her asshole neighbors, maybe. To normal people and fellow gardeners it looks fine. Destroying a woman's front yard because dicktwats can't stand seeing something other than what they want to see should be punishable by having a bulldozer driven through their house.

"Sorry, but what you're doing with your property offends me, so I called the city and they're coming to demolish your eyesore tomorrow."


It would appear you've never lived next to white trash. "It's art/self-farming". No its scrub brush and your kids abandoned toys. I say raze the house if it's an eyesore. I'd rather live next to a vacant lot than poor trash.
 
2012-06-16 10:27:55 PM  

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


What f*cking idiot decided that a green lawn made up of grass species that are almost always invasive is the only thing allowable in front of a person's home?

And why do f*cking idiots, like yourself, continue to support this magical idea that this is how it should be?

Why do we continue to perpetuate red-scare or southern aristocratic idiocy?
 
2012-06-16 10:29:22 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Why are they bullying one person for a few hundred dollars in property value when the tanked economy robbed them of 25%+ of their property value?


They SHOULD be suing the real estate industry that's been selling the same myths to the American public for over fifty years.
 
2012-06-16 11:25:43 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Why are they bullying one person for a few hundred dollars in property value when the tanked economy robbed them of 25%+ of their property value?


Because no one cares.
 
2012-06-16 11:50:25 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Keizer_Ghidorah: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: kiwimoogle84: The part that really made me mad was when she said those plants were her food and medicine, and she just sat in her driveway and cried. Just angers me. Why should someone care if their neighbor's yard is full of blossoming plants?

Because it looks like shiat?

To you and her asshole neighbors, maybe. To normal people and fellow gardeners it looks fine. Destroying a woman's front yard because dicktwats can't stand seeing something other than what they want to see should be punishable by having a bulldozer driven through their house.

"Sorry, but what you're doing with your property offends me, so I called the city and they're coming to demolish your eyesore tomorrow."

It would appear you've never lived next to white trash. "It's art/self-farming". No its scrub brush and your kids abandoned toys. I say raze the house if it's an eyesore. I'd rather live next to a vacant lot than poor trash.


Equating a vegetable garden to broken junk and car bodies is another sign of stupidity.
 
2012-06-16 11:55:45 PM  

morgantx: Regardless, the city will end up paying out the nose for violation of court orders if nothing else. They're screwed.


It seems like it may well be justifiably so. I hate when municipalities screw up and raise the expenses on their citizens. It sucks and I'm not sure how I would react. I'm not sure if I could take my neighbor's money in retribution. So, I'm at a loss honestly. I'm not sure if this even calls for a civil or criminal trial or if it means there should be multiple (which will never come probably)? It kind of sucks all around.

Well, no. It doesn't suck for me. I don't live there. I doubt I'll be impacted at all.
 
2012-06-17 12:30:37 AM  
POOR PEOPLE CAN'T GROW FOOD IN THE CITY. IT'S THE LAW.

No one considers the individual cost of these codes on appearance. If it isn't an obvious safety hazard then stfu and let the poor woman grow some vegetables.

I have the right to be ugly and to have an ugly lawn if I bought and paid for it. What threat does her lawn pose to others around her other than immaterial opinions of "value"? None.
 
2012-06-17 12:44:27 AM  

Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


God forbid she have a functioning garden.

She should have a flat, cookie-cutter, inedible plot of grass that requires constant care like a good American!

/whoever decided the modern lawn was a good idea should have been shot
 
2012-06-17 12:55:28 AM  

illicit: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

God forbid she have a functioning garden.

She should have a flat, cookie-cutter, inedible plot of grass that requires constant care like a good American!

/whoever decided the modern lawn was a good idea should have been shot


You don't own a house and don't have neighbors, except for your mom or your dorm room buddies.

Her yard looked like shiat, and she had a broken down truck that probably hadn't moved in months in her driveway.

Still, the city was wrong for mowing down her unkempt weedy garden, until the issue was resolved in court.

Also, no one cares anymore...read the entire thread you sad sack..its all been said
 
2012-06-17 01:08:27 AM  
... she didn't do anything wrong. I don't give a d*** how much you think that we should stop crying over her problem. She didn't do anything wrong. She even did research to make sure she didn't do anything wrong.

F*ck the city CEOs, f*ck the neighbor who whined about it, and f*ck anyone who agreed with them for doing so. You don't punish someone for following the rules.
 
2012-06-17 01:10:41 AM  

Mark Ratner: illicit: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

God forbid she have a functioning garden.

She should have a flat, cookie-cutter, inedible plot of grass that requires constant care like a good American!

/whoever decided the modern lawn was a good idea should have been shot

You don't own a house and don't have neighbors, except for your mom or your dorm room buddies.

Her yard looked like shiat, and she had a broken down truck that probably hadn't moved in months in her driveway.

Still, the city was wrong for mowing down her unkempt weedy garden, until the issue was resolved in court.

Also, no one cares anymore...read the entire thread you sad sack..its all been said


Eat my asshole, asshole.

Cookie cutter lawns are are an enormous waste of vital resources (water, hydrocarbons) that do nothing other than look green and cost you hundreds of dollars annually to maintain.

Because God forbid we try to live in harmony with nature and actually allow natural, native vegetation to flourish.

No, you decided you like what the lawn care industry has told you to like. And because of that, people like you are forcing us to piss a way our freshwater and burn our gasoline so you can feel better about your tiny little dicks.
 
2012-06-17 01:19:51 AM  
Also, you mentioned a truck in her driveway.

Who the fark cares? Vehicles go in driveways. So hers doesn't run. WHO CARES? It' not like it's in the street blocking anyone else's parking. Maybe she's saving up the money to have it repaired in the future.

And the only reason the garden looked "weedy" is because people like you have this weird problem with front yards not being identical squares of green.

Again, eat my asshole, Mark Rutner. Eat it with hollandaise sauce.
 
2012-06-17 02:06:08 AM  
I've always been a fan of potager gardens and wish more people had them, they look good and produce in abundance if done correctly (certain plants grow better when next to other plants.) Judging from the aliments the woman professes having she probably wasn't keeping the garden as well maintained as she could have. Also I find sharing the excess of what I grow with my neighbors goes a long way.
 
2012-06-17 03:12:11 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Given that this was in Oklahoma, and in my city no less, I'm honestly surprised that she didn't shoot them once they were on her property.


Given she was black, I am surprised they city didn't shoot -HER- for being on her property.
 
2012-06-17 04:51:40 AM  

Straelbora: Oh, boy, the conservatives who forget that 'a man's home is his castle,' with a second grader's understanding of rule of law.


The "castle law" is to allow you to shoot people, not grow vegetables.

There's nothing more 'boot strappy' than growing your own food.

Yes there is - living on dried beans until you can find a position where you generate profit for an employer.
 
2012-06-17 04:53:00 AM  

CliChe Guevara: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Given that this was in Oklahoma, and in my city no less, I'm honestly surprised that she didn't shoot them once they were on her property.

Given she was black, I am surprised they city didn't shoot -HER- for being on her property.


I lol'd.
 
2012-06-17 09:55:31 AM  
Such typical conduct of Best Korea.

Wait ... whut?
 
2012-06-17 10:59:45 AM  

illicit: Who the fark cares? Vehicles go in driveways. So hers doesn't run. WHO CARES? It' not like it's in the street blocking anyone else's parking. Maybe she's saving up the money to have it repaired in the future.


I start caring when it stops being a car that doesn't run and becomes a heap of rust up on cinder blocks. Then it's just an eyesore, and the general reason why there are laws about broken down vehicles in your driveway.
 
2012-06-17 05:22:12 PM  
This is why I love this neighborhood. Almost everyone has lawns created with the specific purpose of reducing water and fertilizer use. They law down tons of pine needles or bark, arrange pretty stones and figurines, and put in pretty plants that need precious little water for some color. It has been like this for the three years I have had my apartment. Hell, there are multiple large gardens in raised beds or containers. We also have a community garden that supplies hundreds of pounds of fresh produce for free. Oh, and we are downtown in a city, not in some HOA suburbia.
Oh.. our neighborhood organizers have a garden tour. These "alternative" gardens comprise the vast majority of the award winners.
/Really wish I could get a house here, but it would be at least 3x what I can afford.
//Cries
 
2012-06-17 09:53:30 PM  

Mark Ratner: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


If you don't want neighbors because what they do on their own property offends you, YOU move to the farking country
 
2012-06-18 12:15:08 AM  

loveblondieo: Ridiculous. I hope she sues, and wins, for a very large sum. The person who complained should be publicly outed and ostracized. The people who actually did the mowing should be in jail

Shot for trespass thievery.
 
2012-06-18 02:52:16 AM  

D3_WR: Mark Ratner: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.

If you don't want neighbors because what they do on their own property offends you, YOU move to the farking country


The "country" doesn't have a city code to abide by, so you're not too bright if you don't understand that concept.

The article, once again, is one side of the story, and the city said they had no record of the lawsuit, and wouldn't comment. I can't wait for the follow up article to this. The neighbors can't stand her for a reason...because her "garden" isn't a garden, but random planted seeds that look like an overgrown eyesore.
 
2012-06-19 03:51:38 AM  

Mark Ratner: The article, once again, is one side of the story, and the city said they had no record of the lawsuit, and wouldn't comment. I can't wait for the follow up article to this. The neighbors can't stand her for a reason...because her "garden" isn't a garden, but random planted seeds that look like an overgrown eyesore.


The court date was rescheduled; The "garden" was mowed down regardless of that.

These two are facts and verifiable.

That doesn't strike to me as a very respectful stance to the jurisdiction and power of the court, if anything, it smacks of contempt.
 
2012-06-19 04:46:48 AM  

CrispFlows: Mark Ratner: The article, once again, is one side of the story, and the city said they had no record of the lawsuit, and wouldn't comment. I can't wait for the follow up article to this. The neighbors can't stand her for a reason...because her "garden" isn't a garden, but random planted seeds that look like an overgrown eyesore.

The court date was rescheduled; The "garden" was mowed down regardless of that.

These two are facts and verifiable.

That doesn't strike to me as a very respectful stance to the jurisdiction and power of the court, if anything, it smacks of contempt.


Contempt of court only happens if anyone cares.

No one cares.
 
2012-06-19 10:51:29 PM  

illicit: Mark Ratner: illicit: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

God forbid she have a functioning garden.

She should have a flat, cookie-cutter, inedible plot of grass that requires constant care like a good American!

/whoever decided the modern lawn was a good idea should have been shot

You don't own a house and don't have neighbors, except for your mom or your dorm room buddies.

Her yard looked like shiat, and she had a broken down truck that probably hadn't moved in months in her driveway.

Still, the city was wrong for mowing down her unkempt weedy garden, until the issue was resolved in court.

Also, no one cares anymore...read the entire thread you sad sack..its all been said

Eat my asshole, asshole.

Cookie cutter lawns are are an enormous waste of vital resources (water, hydrocarbons) that do nothing other than look green and cost you hundreds of dollars annually to maintain.

Because God forbid we try to live in harmony with nature and actually allow natural, native vegetation to flourish.

No, you decided you like what the lawn care industry has told you to like. And because of that, people like you are forcing us to piss a way our freshwater and burn our gasoline so you can feel better about your tiny little dicks.


Because, you know, the choice is clearly only one or the other... Retard much or is this one of your earlier attempts?

/someone had to come back and check on the thread
//the worst part is people argued with you instead of pointing out you're an idiot
/yeah - you, personally - not the generic "you" sometimes in use
 
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