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(News On 6 Tulsa)   City: "Your yard is overgrown and in code violation" Woman: "I checked before planting and according to the law it isn't. That garden provides my food." City: "We don't care. Send in the mowers"   (newson6.com) divider line 276
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2012-06-16 10:56:07 AM
What're the odds that the complaining neighbor(s) had a friend or relative at the City Ordinance office? This whole things seems pretty shoved through despite a judge's ruling and for that alone, I support the woman in TFA.
 
2012-06-16 10:58:26 AM

2xhelix: One of my friends had a neighbor call code enforcement because his grass was 1/2" too tall. The city didn't care that the reason was that it had been raining for over a week so he couldn't cut it, they still cited him. Tulsa's code department is like an HOA run amok.


I know someone that gets periodic letters from code enforcement over a similar situation. When it's rainy the weeds grow, he can't deal with them until the ground dries a bit. The people he talks to understand the issue, he's never actually been fined but the idiots who do the checking don't pay attention to the weather and send out a lot of such notices.

loveblondieo: The My Little Pony Killer: There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

The before pictures actually look better. From what I can see, it was kept up with and frames the house nicely.


Yeah, I've always liked the controlled-"wild" look. I definitely prefer the before.

Zalan: I like how the article mentions that she went to court to stop the process, the judge continued the case, and the city came and destroyed everything the day after the continuance.


I suspect what happened is some moron was sure they would win and scheduled the cleanup and then it wasn't cancelled when the judge didn't grant permission. I do agree that judge will be quite upset.
 
2012-06-16 11:06:35 AM
Mark Ratner

"I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat."

Don't look at it. Problem solved.

"So I say live and let live. That's my motto: Live and let live. Anyone who can't go along with that, take 'em outside and shoot the motherfarker." - George Carlin
 
2012-06-16 11:10:46 AM
You know what is driving down property values in America?

A: HOA's

The first question I am asked by any person just finding out I am a homeowner is "There's no HOA, is there?"
Lots of front yard gardens in the neighborhood. The only property anyone hates is the 3 story behemoth of a duplex 3 doors up the block. It's a nice place, but it doesn't fit in.
 
2012-06-16 11:11:18 AM
that sucks
 
2012-06-16 11:26:39 AM

Mark Ratner: If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


How about, if you want to control everything within view of your house, you buy all that farking land yourself.
 
2012-06-16 11:32:04 AM

s2s2s2: You know what is driving down property values in America?


A: repercussions from the mortgage crisis
 
2012-06-16 11:34:41 AM
We just bought a house with a "wild" front yard and I just got in from hacking at it with a weeder and shears... so I'm getting a kick out of this thread. Hopefully the neighbours will give us a few years to get everything looking more managed before they flip their shiat and bring in the city to mow down our leeks and strawberries...
 
2012-06-16 11:38:35 AM
What. The. Fark.

I own property, and if anyone comes up to me saying what I can and cannot grow on it will be introduced to Mr. Remington. This is my land, and dammit I own it. It's not the government's land, it's not a homeowner's association property. It's MINE. I worked hard and paid for it. I have a deed and everything!
 
2012-06-16 11:42:39 AM

Mark Ratner: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


I thought Tulsa WAS the f*ckin' country!
 
2012-06-16 11:59:40 AM

cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.


So This.
 
2012-06-16 12:02:24 PM

Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?


Yeah because all neighbors are completely sane and honorable.
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/hot like the fires of hell waiting for her
 
2012-06-16 12:04:19 PM
Now that the city has mowed it down, the appropriate response for her is to never water it and let everything become nice and brown. That should satisfy the neighbors.
 
2012-06-16 12:15:17 PM

Mark Ratner: Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


Yes, because YOUR front yard isn't yours.

Your idiocy is dropping my property values, which are kind of a big deal. So please move.
 
2012-06-16 12:18:30 PM
Property smallholders are the most entitled people on earth, with the least justification. I would that I could not live next to them.
 
2012-06-16 12:21:56 PM

maelstrom0370: What're the odds that the complaining neighbor(s) had a friend or relative at the City Ordinance office? This whole things seems pretty shoved through despite a judge's ruling and for that alone, I support the woman in TFA.


Seems like contempt of court.
 
2012-06-16 12:23:42 PM

hbk72777: Ob boy, the bleeding hearts with the thinking skills of a second grader. The world is not black and white, there are no good and bad guys here. Even without HOA's, most towns have ordinances. Over 100 plants, this isn't just a few plants and shrubs around your front porch. This probably took up most of her front yard. Dense foliage is a breeding ground for mice and rats, snakes and other pests. Plus, you're giving them not only a home, but an unlimited source of food. Of course the neighbors are concerned.Mice aren't just going to stay in her yard, they'll go to all of the surrounding homes.

And please, it costs a hell of a lot more to garden than to just buy the farking fruit and vegetables. By the time you buy the sprays, soil, plant themselves,

Link


Oh, boy, the conservatives who forget that 'a man's home is his castle,' with a second grader's understanding of rule of law. There are bad guys- the code enforcers trespassed and destroyed her property without due process.

And you're assuming some things about her gardening practices. I organically grow in my garden. I don't spray anything other than some very diluted Doc Bronner's soap to keep bugs off. I don't buy soil. I compost and use that. And my cats keep rodents under control.

There's nothing more 'boot strappy' than growing your own food.
 
2012-06-16 12:23:51 PM
I doubt i'll ever get the opportunity but I'd want to make my lawn a completely alien looking landscape. Colored sand, weird looking fake tree's and plants..i'd make it look like pandora in my backyard.
 
2012-06-16 12:24:53 PM

Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.


LOL, the largest property values around here are large houses in the rural residential part of town where there are no grass height restrictions and it's common for million dollar homes to have at least part of their property grown wild. People put way too much stock in the post ww 2 southern california cookie cutter being the perfection of property value (plus looks only potentially affect the value if you're actively trying to sell).
 
2012-06-16 12:29:50 PM
If she wins and is allowed to keep her garden, I would not be the least bit surprised if the police received an 'anonymous" tip that she may or may not be growing marijuana in her garden.
 
2012-06-16 12:38:58 PM
Always Get It In Writing

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2012-06-16 12:40:02 PM
You can come for my garden once you get past me and my dogs.
 
2012-06-16 12:40:25 PM
A nation of grass farmers
 
2012-06-16 12:41:48 PM
F*ck lawns. Seriously.
 
2012-06-16 12:47:27 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Always Get It In Writing

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Damn right. Particularly when you are living in a suburban area with shiatty neighbors.

That said, not only do I hope she wins and wins large dollars (though it will likely never go to trial, the city will settle to get this out of the media...pretty tremendous black eye they have already), but I hope she wins enough to buy a house outside the city limits where she doesn't have to get farked over by bureaucrats and assholes ever again.
 
2012-06-16 12:52:58 PM

starlost: in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.


You can make a delicious tea with dandelion leaves.
 
2012-06-16 12:54:56 PM

AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.


You know what she should've said "I don't care. Send in the lawyers."

Obviously, I agree with you.
 
2012-06-16 12:55:08 PM
Were there pics of the front yard in the non mobile site? I would have to see the pics to see if she was interpreting the ordinance right or just some farked up way.

I once lived next door to a woman who grew her own "garden" it really looked like a bunch of weeds with a picket fence around it. She was pissed as well when the county made gave her 30 days to relocate it to her ample back yard or they would take them out.
 
2012-06-16 12:55:49 PM
I agree with most of what people are saying in here. Don't cut it down... (Let her finish the year off at least.) After that, put 'em in the back. Also a couple of things tweaked me while reading...

"Could be eaten." That was one. For human consumption means that that is what it was meant for. Could means only that it could, I'm nitpicking but the tone certainly indicates that this is now more about hoping to win the lawsuit lottery, and maybe that's for the best but... What is the goal now?

The other thing that made me curious is that she was unemployed and was gone for a few days, came back, sat in the driveway, cried, and then left again... Hmm... Is this a second home? It appears that they had had issues in the past with code enforcement.

Now, I'm not a lawyer. But - when they got the citation (good on the police officer by the way) and it went to court the judge delayed it and told them to come back to court at a latter date. The city still went in and mowed the mess down. I wonder if someone should be being prosecuted for having done so? Is there someone at the city who should now be losing their job and potentially facing jail time for contempt or violation of court orders?

So, all sorts of things are crappy at the city level but one sets off a huge alarm buzzer. There are a couple of things about her story that set off smaller alarms and make me now wonder about her motivation at this current time. Normally I'd not care about her motive, it shouldn't matter. But if the motive is to make bank at this point then it may explain some of the above away though it also brings credibility (I'm not bound by the law in judging people) into question.

So, having said that?

Let the damned lady grow her food. If you want then have her move the trees out back. Either way, the shiat is in the ground already - let her at least finish the damned year off.
 
2012-06-16 12:56:45 PM

vudutek: I like this.... I'm going to take 12 used toilets, put THEM up on blocks, paint THEM pink, then use them for planters.


*slowgolfclap.gif*
 
2012-06-16 12:56:46 PM

austin_millbarge: Mark Ratner: The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

Yeah because all neighbors are completely sane and honorable.
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/hot like the fires of hell waiting for her


You win one internet my friend.
 
2012-06-16 01:01:11 PM

Worldwalker:

Buy the soil? I have to assume you live somewhere that is completely paved. Your whole yard..


it happens :'( paved or all the topsoil ripped off and gravel sholved down in place.

replacing the topsoil is bloody expensive, but the whole place is turning into garden bit by bit as I have time and money.
 
2012-06-16 01:07:33 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: starlost: in one subdivision my parents lived in years ago someone moved in who never saw dandelions before. this new neighbor loved how they looked and brought someone in to help them not get killed off. of course some other people were mad as hell since must people here consider them weeds and their numbers exploded through the development.

You can make a delicious tea with dandelion leaves.


She mentioned having health issues. Dandelion is one of the best plants for a number of health issues.
Also MarkRatner if you were trolling, well done.
 
2012-06-16 01:08:08 PM

vudutek: MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I like this.... I'm going to take 12 used toilets, put THEM up on blocks, paint THEM pink, then use them for planters. Fark zoning or the neighbors, this will be my artistic, first-amendment protected, free-speechifying statement against big-agra, and nobody, NOBODY, yeah, not even YOU, mister, can stop me fro...gbnxcjdyyswg (thud)


Bowling balls make excellent driveway edge delineators, for those of you with loved ones who park by braille. They come in any color you could want, are not hard to find in quantity (people will give them to you) and add a touch of whimsy to your landscape.
 
2012-06-16 01:10:34 PM
I think this is more of a case where both sides failed to compromise. 12" is ridiculously low and I seriously doubt the city would have done anything if they were rose bushes. On the other hand, her yard was very unsightly and unkempted. If her plants were placed in a more decorative manner, I'm sure her neighbors wouldn't have complained
 
2012-06-16 01:18:21 PM

UnspokenVoice: Now, I'm not a lawyer. But - when they got the citation (good on the police officer by the way) and it went to court the judge delayed it and told them to come back to court at a latter date. The city still went in and mowed the mess down. I wonder if someone should be being prosecuted for having done so? Is there someone at the city who should now be losing their job and potentially facing jail time for contempt or violation of court orders?


Here's what I think happened: The city was certain they would win in court, so they scheduled their mowing people to come in the day after the court date; they probably thought it would be an open-and-shut case. Then when they didn't get the court order they were planning on, somebody dropped the ball and forgot to cancel the mowing people. What's more likely is that after they failed to get the court order, nobody knew they NEEDED to cancel the mowers. Somebody in code enforcement probably told his secretary to schedule the mowers in the first place, but when it went to court it was handled by the city attorney who probably had no idea that the mowers had been scheduled. He probably thought the case was entirely his and neglected to keep the code enforcement guy posted.

Regardless, the city will end up paying out the nose for violation of court orders if nothing else. They're screwed.
 
2012-06-16 01:20:41 PM

loveblondieo: The people who actually did the mowing should be in jail for trespass.


Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.

doglover: If your boss tells you to cut down an old woman's nut tree, you tell your boss to go fark himself.


Here's another one. That's very brave of you to have someone else make the sacrifice of their job so you can feel better.
 
2012-06-16 01:21:56 PM

icepriestess: MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I wouldn't mind. Yeah, it sounds tacky and potentially gross, but imagine how spiffy my yard would look by comparison. Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.

You don't want to live next to people like that. I used to live next to a guy who was. He stole and sold to pawnshops packages delivered to my house. The cars leaked fluids into the ground and when he was drunk (every day almost) He would toss the bottles out his window and forget about them. When the Moran was arrested for thieft the state or the county (I can't remember it was so long ago) came in with a kinda hazmat team and animal rescue. The asshole's cats i thought were just a few turned out he had 10-20 inside. They tore down the house and cleaned the yard abouta good 5 inches of soil was removed and I was worried because I had well water at the time.

But the woman's yard does look like a disaster for a medical garden. She should know to have everything labeled and spaced so there is no mix up in herbs when using them for medical purposes.

 
2012-06-16 01:22:11 PM
When it's against the law to feed off the land you own, you know you're in a world of shiat.
 
2012-06-16 01:25:55 PM

ScotterOtter: I think this is more of a case where both sides failed to compromise. 12" is ridiculously low and I seriously doubt the city would have done anything if they were rose bushes. On the other hand, her yard was very unsightly and unkempted. If her plants were placed in a more decorative manner, I'm sure her neighbors wouldn't have complained


Hmm, you sound like an expert.
 
2012-06-16 01:27:19 PM

starlost: the yard looks like heck especially by the side of the house. it looks like she threw seeds around and planted a few plants and walked away without maintaining it. if the plants were in well defined sections the yard would look incredible. she's still right but don't be surprised if a local law is passed saying gardens can't be seen from the street or must be fenced or something.like that. too bad she had a feud with zoning or the neighbors and everyone else gets screwed thanks to this.


So you're going to share pictures of your fabulous garden? No?

Then STFU. Her yard looks fine.
 
2012-06-16 01:29:24 PM

suburbanguy: The My Little Pony Killer: Mark Ratner: I guess I might be wrong, because I'm disagreeing with people I usually agree with.

Just keep in mind, there are no before pics of her front and backyard. Also, the article is her side of the story because she filed a lawsuit.

There's a before and after shot right there in TFA.

Not on the mobile page.


And therefore Sarah Palin is world president and Obama has to clean out her toilets.

Or you could just switch to the regular version instead of acting as though the pictures don't count.
 
2012-06-16 01:30:36 PM
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I hate the ass-clowns that grow these in their front yards.
 
2012-06-16 01:31:05 PM

bel4sucks: Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.


"I was only following orders" is not a valid defense.

They're guilty of tresspass.

The person who gave the orders is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

They should all be held accountable.
 
2012-06-16 01:34:25 PM

quickdraw: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

Me too.


Like eleventy bazillion dollars.
 
2012-06-16 01:34:33 PM

icepriestess: MBrady: So you wouldn't mind that next door neighbor put 12 used toilets out in the front yard and used them as planters, left 3 vehicles up on blocks in the driveway, and painted his house pink? Because as you say, it's only the economy that makes property values go down.

I wouldn't mind. Yeah, it sounds tacky and potentially gross, but imagine how spiffy my yard would look by comparison. Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.

I've had friends who lived in neighborhoods that didn't allow swingsets, clotheslines, certain amounts and heights or trees, etc. I always wondered why they put up with that. I have zero interest in such nonsense.


Turns out Colorado has a right to dry law, spacifically enshrining the right of homeowners to line dry no matter the HOA or city ordinances.

\It's so insanely easy to line dry year round here, I only use the machine to finish shirts that wrinkle.
 
2012-06-16 01:54:56 PM

cptjeff: Mark Ratner: quickdraw: Mark Ratner: Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: I hope she wins.

As do I.

I wouldn't want to live next door to her, if she has these plants in her front yard. It probably looks like shiat.

Fenced in backyard, fine.

The neighbors complained for a reason, don't ya think?

CONFORM! YOU MUST CONFORM!

Property value is kind of a big deal, sorry. Conform in your backyard, please.

Property value is an annoying concept dreampt up by assholes who don't see any utility in actually living in a house. See, some of us are crazy enough to think that houses are, first and foremost, places to live. That means putting gardens where we like, letting kids play in our yards (which means your toxic fertilizers can suck it), painting it whatever color pleases us.

Take your property value and shove it. The value of your property doesn't go down when people have a garden. The value of your property goes down when the economy farking collapses.

I hope she files a harassment suit against these "neighbors" and the city.


I note that the folks bringing up "property value" usually aren't looking at selling their house. Often someone retired who will probably never sell in their lifetime.

It's just something convenient you can say to justify your interest in someone else's business, and people will buy it, even though it's a pretty thin premise.
 
2012-06-16 01:55:15 PM

alice_600: Actually, I'd be more willing to buy a house with a neighbor like that simply because I know that I would be able to to whatever I damn well please with my yard without the HOA or other neighbors bringing out the pitchforks and torches.


We intend to do exactly that, for exactly that reason.
 
2012-06-16 01:55:53 PM

Mark Ratner:

If you want to make your entire front yard a garden, then move to the f*ckin country.


Tulsa IS the country.

/probably already been said.
 
2012-06-16 01:58:33 PM

clyph: bel4sucks: Yeah let's punish the guys making 11 bucks an hour.

"I was only following orders" is not a valid defense.

They're guilty of tresspass.

The person who gave the orders is guilty of deprivation of rights under color of law.

They should all be held accountable.


This line of defense is scarier than any government oversight. You want to blame the city worker who had a city issued work order. It's not the messenger's job to dictate right and wrong. You gonna take a jail sentence or fines because someone above you farked up on a work order? Cause if you (any everyone else) aren't willing to do that, then stfu.
 
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