For some reason I wondered why subby would hit that if he were 13". Hmm.

Damn, 15 years seems a little harsh, but I feel safer knowing she's off the streets. I hope the "victim" is okay.

Mark Ratner: Damn, 15 years seems a little harsh, but I feel safer knowing she's off the streets. I hope the "victim" is okay.

He's fapping his trauma away daily.

15 years is ridiculous.

namatad: Mark Ratner: Damn, 15 years seems a little harsh, but I feel safer knowing she's off the streets. I hope the "victim" is okay.

the "victim's" family was distraught.
I bet the kid is more farkED UP over her going to prison.
plus he will have to wait 15 years to get some more sec from here ...
that is really farked up

Only some of the victims family where distraught. When reached for comment, the victims father stated:

If your "victim" faps to the event, it's not a crime.

Straight up. I don't care what ya did. That's like the A-1 first round judicial rule. If the so called victim derives pleasure from the memories of the event and would do it again, they aren't a victim at all and it shouldn't be 15 federal years in prison. Seriously, I mean what the actual fark?

There's men who've KILLED PEOPLE in cold blood who got away with less time in the pokey. And the the people they killed aren't fappin' to anybody at all now.

Our legal system's got its priorities all bassackwards

doglover: If your "victim" faps to the event, it's not a crime.

Straight up. I don't care what ya did. That's like the A-1 first round judicial rule. If the so called victim derives pleasure from the memories of the event and would do it again, they aren't a victim at all and it shouldn't be 15 federal years in prison. Seriously, I mean what the actual fark?

There's men who've KILLED PEOPLE in cold blood who got away with less time in the pokey. And the the people they killed aren't fappin' to anybody at all now.

Our legal system's got its priorities all bassackwards

It's all messed up and now the kid is too because, as somebody mentioned upthread, she is in prison. He's got to have some emotional conflict over that. Also, having his mother and Grandmother involved? Crist, the kid will be a serial killer for sure.
As a Mother I can't understand messing with friends of her own children. That's the truly f*cked up part of this.

AbbeySomeone: Mark Ratner: Damn, 15 years seems a little harsh, but I feel safer knowing she's off the streets. I hope the "victim" is okay.

He's fapping his trauma away daily.

15 years is ridiculous.

I have to believe there's something else in this woman's background to justify a 15 year sentence. Unfarkinbelievable.

AbbeySomeone: As a Mother I can't understand messing with friends of her own children.

You just haven't met the right friend. 13 is a lot younger than I would expect, but you can't put limits on love.

/y'know, unless you're some idjit judge and a bunch of hypocritical lawmakers more concerned with regressive puritain ideals rather than running a working society.

Mark Ratner: Damn, 15 years seems a little harsh, but I feel safer knowing she's off the streets. I hope the "victim" is okay.

Yeah, her son...
abusing one of her son's classmates

doglover: If your "victim" faps to the event, it's not a crime.

Um, wrong.

Adults need to have sex with other adults, not children.

What, 19 posts and nobody has used the term "MILF"?
This IS Fark, isn't it?

farkityfarker: doglover: If your "victim" faps to the event, it's not a crime.

Um, wrong.

Adults need to have sex with other adults, not children.

Agreed but she doesn't need to be in jail for 15 years either. How about we try some counselling this time and if she ruins another childs life we can maybe try something more serve.

So wait, are you people behind Sandusky as much as your behind this woman? I'm getting mixed signals on diddling teens.

Amy Blose

~snicker~

Question is does Amy swallow?

Jonny.the.Q: So wait, are you people behind Sandusky as much as your behind this woman? I'm getting mixed signals on diddling teens.

Thats you realizing things aren't black and white. Good Jorb.

Did I miss the part of the story where it's established that the kid faps to the event? Or are we just assuming that part?

I mean, sure, it's possible that the kid isn't really damaged by any of this and was essentially down for the whole thing. There's also the possibility that the entire extended affair was initiated and carried out under coercion. There's also the possibility that he was initially into the whole thing but was later unable to extract himself from the relationship because he lacks the maturity and resources of a grown man. There are plenty of adults who would have no idea how to deal with the kind of crazy that likes to diddle teenyboppers; we're talking about a kid, here.

Just as a hypothetical: Could you imagine being 13-14, engaged in this kind of tryst, and you end up meeting some hot thing actually in your age range and want to legitimately date her like a normal teenage kid, but you have this obviously-imbalanced middle aged coont who's got her claws in and is unlikely to let go without some spectacular dramatics? Whether or not he was initially cool with banging her, he's too green to deal with that kind of crazy.

Evenbiggerknickers: This was the first thing I thought of when I read "Norman Woman"

I say N. I say O. Say R. I say M. And A. N. Norman woman gonna mess your mind.

ShakaZuluStyle:
Agreed but she doesn't need to be in jail for 15 years either. How about we try some counselling this time and if she ruins another childs life we can maybe try something more serve.

If that standard was applied to an older man who sexed up a teen girl people would break out pitchforks and torches. "Wait and see if he lures another one to that skeevy motel he likes and farks her too" would not be tolerated for a second.

RCon:
he's too green to deal with that kind of crazy.

And this is why we have the law. Teens have enough of their own crazy to deal with, without the grown-up sex crazy messing up their heads too.

RCon: . . . he's too green to deal with that kind of crazy.

Most of us adult males are unable to deal with the kind of crazy that we wish we could. You know what I'm talking about.

ShakaZuluStyle: Jonny.the.Q: So wait, are you people behind Sandusky as much as your behind this woman? I'm getting mixed signals on diddling teens.

Thats you realizing things aren't black and white. Good Jorb.

Nope. Just making sure as long as I dress up like a lady it's okay in the eyes of the public to play slip n slide in the showers.

RCon: Did I miss the part of the story where it's established that the kid faps to the event? Or are we just assuming that part?

I mean, sure, it's possible that the kid isn't really damaged by any of this and was essentially down for the whole thing. There's also the possibility that the entire extended affair was initiated and carried out under coercion. There's also the possibility that he was initially into the whole thing but was later unable to extract himself from the relationship because he lacks the maturity and resources of a grown man. There are plenty of adults who would have no idea how to deal with the kind of crazy that likes to diddle teenyboppers; we're talking about a kid, here.

Just as a hypothetical: Could you imagine being 13-14, engaged in this kind of tryst, and you end up meeting some hot thing actually in your age range and want to legitimately date her like a normal teenage kid, but you have this obviously-imbalanced middle aged coont who's got her claws in and is unlikely to let go without some spectacular dramatics? Whether or not he was initially cool with banging her, he's too green to deal with that kind of crazy.

Its totally true the kid could have been scarred by this. I believe based on having been a 13 year old boy that he wasn't. And if in fact he was scarred its because he is gay or he was told by his mum and grand mum he should feel bad, when theres nothing for him to feel bad about. The problem with your scenario is that the adult doesnt have any leverage. What if all we do is change the scenario to both women being 13 ? Couldnt another 13 year old do those same things you proposed ?
If she did go crazy on him then more severe consequences can be be applied. Do you think that a 13 year old who takes naked pictures of him self and posts them on the internet is a child pornographer ? Should a 13 year old be put on the sex offenders list for posting their own nudes ? So yeah i admit to making assumptions, but i feel comfortable with them.

Jonny.the.Q: So wait, are you people behind Sandusky as much as your behind this woman? I'm getting mixed signals on diddling teens.

I'd rather be behind Sandusky than in front of him.

At tha age I would have forgotten all about my Supergoose bike which was my whole world at the time.
Kids these days.

Jonny.the.Q: ShakaZuluStyle: Jonny.the.Q: So wait, are you people behind Sandusky as much as your behind this woman? I'm getting mixed signals on diddling teens.

Thats you realizing things aren't black and white. Good Jorb.

Nope. Just making sure as long as I dress up like a lady it's okay in the eyes of the public to play slip n slide in the showers.

Dressing up is not good enough, you have to have the surgery. If you had your balls cut off then society will be ok with it.

ShakaZuluStyle: And if in fact he was scarred its because he is gay

Not necessarily. Having once been a 13 year old boy doesn't in any way entitle you to speak for all of them.

ShakaZuluStyle: or he was told by his mum and grand mum he should feel bad

Possibly. In fact, in our sad culture, probably.

ShakaZuluStyle: the adult doesnt have any leverage

From the learned perspective of another adult the adult doesn't have any leverage. Kids are easy to manipulate and confuse.

ShakaZuluStyle: Couldnt another 13 year old do those same things you proposed?

No. A lack of life-experience and dedication to sophisticated mind-farkery makes it pretty unlikely another 13 year old can accomplish the same kind of manipulations and coercion.

ShakaZuluStyle: Do you think that a 13 year old who takes naked pictures of him self and posts them on the internet is a child pornographer ? Should a 13 year old be put on the sex offenders list for posting their own nudes ?

wat.

ShakaZuluStyle: i admit to making assumptions, but i feel comfortable with them

Good on you, then, kiddo. I would still advise you not to put them into practice by farking any 13 year olds. For your sake and the kids'.

RCon: ShakaZuluStyle: And if in fact he was scarred its because he is gay

Not necessarily. Having once been a 13 year old boy doesn't in any way entitle you to speak for all of them.

ShakaZuluStyle: or he was told by his mum and grand mum he should feel bad

Possibly. In fact, in our sad culture, probably.

ShakaZuluStyle: the adult doesnt have any leverage

From the learned perspective of another adult the adult doesn't have any leverage. Kids are easy to manipulate and confuse.

ShakaZuluStyle: Couldnt another 13 year old do those same things you proposed?

No. A lack of life-experience and dedication to sophisticated mind-farkery makes it pretty unlikely another 13 year old can accomplish the same kind of manipulations and coercion.

ShakaZuluStyle: Do you think that a 13 year old who takes naked pictures of him self and posts them on the internet is a child pornographer ? Should a 13 year old be put on the sex offenders list for posting their own nudes ?

wat.

ShakaZuluStyle: i admit to making assumptions, but i feel comfortable with them

Good on you, then, kiddo. I would still advise you not to put them into practice by farking any 13 year olds. For your sake and the kids'.

RCon: ShakaZuluStyle: And if in fact he was scarred its because he is gay

Not necessarily. Having once been a 13 year old boy doesn't in any way entitle you to speak for all of them.

ShakaZuluStyle: or he was told by his mum and grand mum he should feel bad

Possibly. In fact, in our sad culture, probably.

ShakaZuluStyle: the adult doesnt have any leverage

From the learned perspective of another adult the adult doesn't have any leverage. Kids are easy to manipulate and confuse.

ShakaZuluStyle: Couldnt another 13 year old do those same things you proposed?

No. A lack of life-experience and dedication to sophisticated mind-farkery makes it pretty unlikely another 13 year old can accomplish the same kind of manipulations and coercion.

ShakaZuluStyle: Do you think that a 13 year old who takes naked pictures of him self and posts them on the internet is a child pornographer ? Should a 13 year old be put on the sex offenders list for posting their own nudes ?

wat.

ShakaZuluStyle: i admit to making assumptions, but i feel comfortable with them

Good on you, then, kiddo. I would still advise you not to put them into practice by farking any 13 year olds. For your sake and the kids'.

What is it about my post that makes you think I would be interested in farkng 13 year olds ? Adults can talk about kids having sex without wanting to have sex with them. I didnt think I would have to say that but your accusation makes me feel like its necessary. I am saying the kid was in no way traumatized by having sex unless he was told to be. If he was told to be hopefully he realizes this is bullshiat.

ryant123: ShakaZuluStyle: farkityfarker: doglover: If your "victim" faps to the event, it's not a crime.

Um, wrong.

Adults need to have sex with other adults, not children.

Agreed but she doesn't need to be in jail for 15 years either. How about we try some counselling this time and if she ruins another childs life we can maybe try something more serve.

I'm not convinced she ruined the first child's life.

RCon: Did I miss the part of the story where it's established that the kid faps to the event? Or are we just assuming that part?

I mean, sure, it's possible that the kid isn't really damaged by any of this and was essentially down for the whole thing. There's also the possibility that the entire extended affair was initiated and carried out under coercion. There's also the possibility that he was initially into the whole thing but was later unable to extract himself from the relationship because he lacks the maturity and resources of a grown man. There are plenty of adults who would have no idea how to deal with the kind of crazy that likes to diddle teenyboppers; we're talking about a kid, here.

Just as a hypothetical: Could you imagine being 13-14, engaged in this kind of tryst, and you end up meeting some hot thing actually in your age range and want to legitimately date her like a normal teenage kid, but you have this obviously-imbalanced middle aged coont who's got her claws in and is unlikely to let go without some spectacular dramatics? Whether or not he was initially cool with banging her, he's too green to deal with that kind of crazy.

Your scenario is entirely plausible. The kid tries to date someone his own age and the middle-aged mom-of-your-friend gets insanely jealous. Or another scenario where you try to date a kid your own age and just assume that everyone is going to put out the way mom-of-your-friend does and get nasty when a 13 year old girl doesn't want to do that.

But even at that, 15 years seems a bit extreme. There weren't alternatives?

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Nice !

ryant123

I'm not convinced she ruined the first child's life.

Yeah, I'm betting that, until she was arrested, he was grinning from ear to ear (hell, I would have been... and probably would have whipped the narc that turned her in).

My post didn't assume you were interested in farking 13 year olds. It advised - without assuming any desire or lack of desire on your part - that you not put your vehement theories into practice. And anyway, why would you defend yourself against the idea if you think that there's nothing wrong or traumatizing about it?

Coerced sexual congress is traumatizing. Children are easily coerced by adults and mentally/sociologically/psychologically ill-equipped to deal with the coercion. The laws exist for primarily that reason. You have no evidence that the kid was down for everything that was happening, yet you insist he must have loved the experience and faps over it fondly. And I mean you insist as if you know the kid. I'm just saying that it's not certain whether he was into it or not. What you want to - a priori - surmise you might have felt or not felt if it had been you in that situation has no bearing on the discussion or on how the kid in question actually feels.

I will even concede that the people surrounding and "protecting" him from this whole ordeal are probably doing just as much if not more damage. He'll probably have to deal with unnecessary shame slapped on him, and he may regret or be uncomfortable with any part he's played or been made to play in bringing the hammer down on this broad. That is a genuine damn shame.

In the end, whether he was down or not, there's something wrong with a 30-something who is banging a 13 year old. There is something wrong with that 30-something.

RCon: My post didn't assume you were interested in farking 13 year olds. It advised - without assuming any desire or lack of desire on your part - that you not put your vehement theories into practice. And anyway, why would you defend yourself against the idea if you think that there's nothing wrong or traumatizing about it?

Coerced sexual congress is traumatizing. Children are easily coerced by adults and mentally/sociologically/psychologically ill-equipped to deal with the coercion. The laws exist for primarily that reason. You have no evidence that the kid was down for everything that was happening, yet you insist he must have loved the experience and faps over it fondly. And I mean you insist as if you know the kid. I'm just saying that it's not certain whether he was into it or not. What you want to - a priori - surmise you might have felt or not felt if it had been you in that situation has no bearing on the discussion or on how the kid in question actually feels.

I will even concede that the people surrounding and "protecting" him from this whole ordeal are probably doing just as much if not more damage. He'll probably have to deal with unnecessary shame slapped on him, and he may regret or be uncomfortable with any part he's played or been made to play in bringing the hammer down on this broad. That is a genuine damn shame.

In the end, whether he was down or not, there's something wrong with a 30-something who is banging a 13 year old. There is something wrong with that 30-something.

Im not a female and no longer a male child, so i am not able to put my theories into practice. Again, didnt think i would need to say that but maybe you didnt know i was male.


We both recognize that its a bad idea to have sex with minors. I think the woman needs help, not jail based on what i know about the situation.