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(MSNBC)   California, the state with the largest death row and where the 3-strikes rule puts people in prison for life for stealing pizza, is about to release that guy from the 70's who took a bus full of children and buried them alive in a quarry   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 39
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2012-06-16 01:20:10 AM
7 votes:
I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.
2012-06-16 03:53:45 AM
6 votes:
I'm against three strikes rules, but goddamn, kidnapping a busload of kids and farking burying them alive should merit a life sentence, bare minimum.
2012-06-15 11:42:25 PM
6 votes:
So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.
2012-06-16 03:57:14 AM
4 votes:

swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.


kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.
2012-06-16 03:51:57 AM
4 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?


Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.
2012-06-16 03:49:07 AM
4 votes:
He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.
2012-06-16 10:02:38 AM
2 votes:
Meh, he probably has a major medical problem and the state doesn't want to pay for it.
2012-06-16 03:55:22 AM
2 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?


never had your only child kidnapped by a bunch of psychopaths in the psychopathic 1970's and taken god knows where only to find out they had been stuffed in a hole in the ground I see.
hrmmm.

maybe no one was severely injured,
but this dude undoubtedly hurt a whole shiatload of people quite seriously.

/no opinion on his release.
2012-06-16 03:49:17 AM
2 votes:

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.
2012-06-16 03:42:44 AM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!

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i would totally watch that.
2012-06-16 02:26:16 AM
2 votes:
Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?
2012-06-16 01:56:39 AM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.

Are you implying that baseball metaphors might not be the most practical philosophy for criminal punishment?

/there are a whole lot of frightened rednecks in this state


Yeah - I live in Redneck territory...where the top employer is Pelican Bay State Prison...and the #2 employer is Home Depot, whose #1 customer is Pelican Bay.

I keep much of my criticism to myself...
2012-06-15 11:55:07 PM
2 votes:
Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.
2012-06-16 12:56:07 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.


As long as it is limited to three felonies, I don't have much of an issue with such laws. My only issue is how many crimes which used to be misdemeanors are now considered felonies. I'd rather see that trend corrected rather than to toss 3-strikes laws out.


DarkVader: Nobody got hurt, and he's been in prison for 36 years


Given the long term psychological damage done to these kids, I'd say they were very much hurt. You don't need to shoot or stab somebody to leave scars.
2012-06-16 11:57:07 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.


To add to this, I know one of the people that was on that bus. Having your bus buried in the dark with air running out and kids pissing themselves in fear is the stuff that creates PTSD. The guy I know has massive therapy bills he has to pay himself because of these jack-off. Can't get in any sort of vehicle, never flown or driven because he fears being locked in inclosed places. While I'm on the fence about letting this guy go, do not say this was a victimless crime. At least they guy they are releasing got tax-pay rehabilitation. Like most victims, my acquaintance had to foot the bill to put his life back in order himself.
2012-06-16 11:07:56 AM
1 votes:
Whether he deserves parole or not, a parole hearing is not supposed to be the time to re-try the original case. The judgment about whether someone should ever be eligible for parole is made when the law is written and the person is sentenced. When the inmate reaches the parole eligibility in his sentence, the question at that point should be whether the person going forward from today would be a law-abiding citizen. A parole hearing that only reviews the original crime and victim impact and uses that as the basis to deny parole without considering the inmate's present developement is the same as not having a parole hearing.
2012-06-16 05:48:13 AM
1 votes:

skyshooter: RoyBatty: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.

AGREED, I hope we will read a story here on how he has been found dead soon after the release. That I would be okay with.



Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?



So just to make it all very ambiguous, it turns out that

"On July 25, 1977, one year and ten days after the crime, the three pled guilty to 27 counts of kidnapping for ransom without inflicting injury.
"

Although the judge disagreed:

"The prosecution argued that injury had been inflicted, and later that year a judge heard testimony from Ed, the children, and various medical professionals. On December 15, 1977, the judge told the accused and the court that he had found "..beyond reasonable doubt that there was bodily harm. I made my finding (based) on the testimony of (three of the) children. I think they are telling the truth. The kidnapping itself was a classic violation of bodily security, and this was an aggravated kidnapping. (These) children were not old enough to endure such treatment....(they) were not told why they were there. They were impressed with the fear they were going to die...(they) were put through an ordeal by terror."
2012-06-16 05:40:04 AM
1 votes:
Looking at the dates, I think I saw him during his 6-year hiatus, and before the bomb that was just around the corner from where I worked

/I could be wrong, but I will go to my grave swearing that is the man I made lingering eye contact with

/it left an impression
2012-06-16 05:30:55 AM
1 votes:

Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: While we're discussing Northern California serial killers, you can't forget:
*Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento
*Edmund Kemper, the Co-Ed Killer (Santa Cruz)
*Herbert Mullin, the Santa Cruz man who killed to prevent earthquakes
*Cary Stayner, the Yosemite Killer
*David Carpenter, the Trailside Killer (Bay Area)
*Wayne Adam Ford, walked into a police station one day and turned himself (and a piece of a woman's breast) in
*The Zebra Killers, a racist murder spree in San Francisco
*Morris Solomon, Jr, the Sacramento Slayer
*Dorothea Puente, Sacramento's killer landlady
*Juan Corona, the Machete Murderer (Yuba City)

And the unso ...

Met this guy. I dated his cousin.
Yeah... seriously creepy, but nothing that would lead you to think he'd do what he did

Other weird CSB:
I was interning for a computer service company in downtown Sacramento in the early '90s. One day I was standing out in front of the building smoking a cigarette, and this guy walked past kind of looking at the building. We made eye contact... and it was weird. And no, not like sexual... but like an odd recognition or greeting. It stuck in my mind, and I couldn't figure out why.
And then when he got arrested, I realized I had met Ted Kaczynski
/end csb

Well, at least you didn't date Richard Trenton Chase. NTTAWWT, but I doubt drinking animal organs blended with Coke is worth it. As for the Unabomber, in June '93 he left the woods to mail two bombs, one of which exploded in California (Tiburon), the other in New Jersey. The last bomb he mailed exploded five days after Oklahoma City, April 24, 1995, killing a timber lobbyist in Sacramento. Those were his early 90s bombs. You could very well have seen him after he'd dropped off a package... Or was scouting locations for bombings.


I was working on J Street, and one of the places he'd bombed was like 2 blocks away on H or I

/I think it was early in '91. Might have been '92.
//I think the company was AmeriData, or something like that
///had to overwrite some harddrive space
2012-06-16 05:19:02 AM
1 votes:
Ahhhh CA -- where even after trying to kill a busload of kids a man can get a fresh start.

I'm sure he's 100% normal and well adjusted now and will be a perfect functioning member of society. /sarcasm

The same people who are all excited for him to have a second chance are the same people who would just flip the hell out if he moved in next door to them after his release.

"nobody getting hurt" - I'm sure if we ask the victims they wouldn't agree. 36 years of tax payer money has been wasted, when 50 cents worth of ammo and a firing squad would have save untold millions.

Anyone wonder why CA is so financially irresponsible?
2012-06-16 05:09:21 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.


AGREED, I hope we will read a story here on how he has been found dead soon after the release. That I would be okay with.
2012-06-16 05:01:58 AM
1 votes:

Paris1127: While we're discussing Northern California serial killers, you can't forget:
*Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento
*Edmund Kemper, the Co-Ed Killer (Santa Cruz)
*Herbert Mullin, the Santa Cruz man who killed to prevent earthquakes
*Cary Stayner, the Yosemite Killer
*David Carpenter, the Trailside Killer (Bay Area)
*Wayne Adam Ford, walked into a police station one day and turned himself (and a piece of a woman's breast) in
*The Zebra Killers, a racist murder spree in San Francisco
*Morris Solomon, Jr, the Sacramento Slayer
*Dorothea Puente, Sacramento's killer landlady
*Juan Corona, the Machete Murderer (Yuba City)

And the unso ...


Met this guy. I dated his cousin.
Yeah... seriously creepy, but nothing that would lead you to think he'd do what he did

Other weird CSB:
I was interning for a computer service company in downtown Sacramento in the early '90s. One day I was standing out in front of the building smoking a cigarette, and this guy walked past kind of looking at the building. We made eye contact... and it was weird. And no, not like sexual... but like an odd recognition or greeting. It stuck in my mind, and I couldn't figure out why.
And then when he got arrested, I realized I had met Ted Kaczynski
/end csb
2012-06-16 04:51:40 AM
1 votes:

Paris1127: This list is by no means exhaustive...


I'm lucky I got out alive.
2012-06-16 04:49:07 AM
1 votes:

Rug Doctor: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.


It`s because it is not a mental ilness, it is rational and caused by the fact that kids are just so hateable, you never stop wanting to hurt the little shiats. If parents raised them to be members of society instead of destructive noise machines it would be easier to not want to put them in a mincer.
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2012-06-16 04:44:44 AM
1 votes:

swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.


I bet those 26 kids that may have developed permanent issues from being buried alive might differ from your opinion.
2012-06-16 04:40:48 AM
1 votes:
Seriously? fark this guy. You kidnap not just one kid, but a busload of kids and *bury* the whole bus, you are a shiathead of the highest order and deserve life in prison. You tried to cover up your crime by killing children via burying them alive. If it was just kidnapping and a release, sure, let the guy go. He didn't though. Like I stated before, fark this guy.
2012-06-16 04:37:31 AM
1 votes:

common sense is an oxymoron: I remember this case. The kidnappers were three 20-something sons of wealthy families who had gotten themselves into a bit of debt. When the hostages escaped before they could call in their ransom demand (the police phone lines were tied up by all of the calls from the victims' family members and the media), two of the kidnappers tried to run for it, while this guy told his parents.

Link


This part of that site describes the psychological trauma on the children.

Link
2012-06-16 04:36:52 AM
1 votes:
So I gather someone made a large campaign contribution somewhere.
2012-06-16 04:31:28 AM
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: "the 70's" what, Smitty?


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Heh... I think Fark should just go ahead and add a button for that cartoon in the format bar
2012-06-16 04:31:08 AM
1 votes:
I remember this case. The kidnappers were three 20-something sons of wealthy families who had gotten themselves into a bit of debt. When the hostages escaped before they could call in their ransom demand (the police phone lines were tied up by all of the calls from the victims' family members and the media), two of the kidnappers tried to run for it, while this guy told his parents.

Link
2012-06-16 04:29:59 AM
1 votes:

relcec: I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.


He served 36 years. And you need to go to bed.
2012-06-16 04:25:56 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....

And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be


Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ng in Calaveras. I guess he will die of old age on "death row". As for Zodiac, my uncle was a Vallejo cop who responded to one of the crime scenes. He's haunted to this day by that case. I sent him the link that was here recently about a book being written on the case - turns out he'd been interviewed by the author - Officer Steve Italian-last-name.
2012-06-16 04:15:06 AM
1 votes:

freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....


And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be
2012-06-16 04:11:36 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.

So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?



I really give a flip; the people of California can decide. every community in america can decide this shiat.

I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.

and I already said I don't have an opinion about him being released.
that should give you a clue that I'm not demanding he stay in prison for the rest of his natural life or be put to death.
so go f*ck yourself for the stupid question.

*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)
2012-06-16 04:08:49 AM
1 votes:
Nobody got hurt and he was scheduled to get out 35 1/2 years ago?\

Yeah people COULD have got hurt. Just like I COULD of farked (insert generically hot chick here). Any one who says he deserves to die or should be in prison forever is a socially repressed psychopath spewing their psychosis anonymously on the internet moments, minutes, hours, days, months before they eat someones face off.

Big difference between should and would children.
2012-06-16 03:51:51 AM
1 votes:
We get it, he's white.
2012-06-16 02:40:20 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard


Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!
2012-06-16 01:23:42 AM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.


Are you implying that baseball metaphors might not be the most practical philosophy for criminal punishment?

/there are a whole lot of frightened rednecks in this state
2012-06-16 12:39:37 AM
1 votes:
Because reducing the amount he's costing the taxpayers after 36 years in prison is a bad thing?

/in general: fewer inmates is bad?
//fewer guards/CCPO union members is bad?
///if we won't raise taxes, we must make cuts
 
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