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(MSNBC)   California, the state with the largest death row and where the 3-strikes rule puts people in prison for life for stealing pizza, is about to release that guy from the 70's who took a bus full of children and buried them alive in a quarry   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 121
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2012-06-16 12:56:07 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.


As long as it is limited to three felonies, I don't have much of an issue with such laws. My only issue is how many crimes which used to be misdemeanors are now considered felonies. I'd rather see that trend corrected rather than to toss 3-strikes laws out.


DarkVader: Nobody got hurt, and he's been in prison for 36 years


Given the long term psychological damage done to these kids, I'd say they were very much hurt. You don't need to shoot or stab somebody to leave scars.
 
2012-06-16 01:20:22 PM
Isn't this guy the inspiration for Freddy Kruger? "Nightmare on Elm Street II" 's bus scene is a bit similar to the real thing.
 
2012-06-16 01:25:37 PM

bwilson27: [images.starpulse.com image 470x315]
You wanna be released? Well do ya, PUNK???????????!


I came to this thread to see a Andy Robinson pic. I'm glad you posted it.

Andy Robinson frowns upon the rest of the Fark community
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2012-06-16 01:38:34 PM

LibertyHiller: freetomato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And f*ck you, too, my friend.

/have a nice evening


Spoken like a grizzled CA mountain goat.

/Know Georgetown - have had my share of cold ones at Uncle Tom's before the road was paved
//Family lives in Pollock Pines and the surrounding environs

They paved the road to Uncle Tom's? That takes all the fun out of it!

/aunt and uncle used to live in Quintette


The last hundred yards or so going into Tom's is still dirt, but Wentworth Springs Road is paved all the way up to Icehouse now

/easier for the logging trucks that way
 
2012-06-16 01:47:12 PM
Kidnapping for ransom? Yeah, I really do think that deserves the death penalty.
 
2012-06-16 02:03:43 PM
70 year old getting released after 36 years in prison. Is he going to go home and carve "Brooks was here" in the roof beam before throwing the rope over it?
 
2012-06-16 02:04:33 PM
Here's a comment from TFA linked earlier in the thread:

Rod Casper:

At the time, and still today reading this history, it is striking again today something mentioned in this article and in news accounts then that caused talk back then that the kidnappers never intended to release the victims. The son of the owner of the quarry never thought the buried van would be found, which would automatically tie him to the crime. How could that be, if they planned to release the victims? Did they really think that they could release the victims in a way that the site wouldn't be discovered? Did they think that none of the victims, who were never blindfolded, would remember something about that site upon arrival or release that would reveal its whereabouts? In the media at the time it was often mentioned that the kidnappers never intended to release them and that all would die. They didn't cover the license plates of the other vans... it seems there is a huge doubt that they thought any of the victims would survive to tell anything. It seems they didn't think any evidence would ever surface from that quarry.


So, is it because of the escape that this was 27 counts of kidnapping and not 27 counts of murder? Whose word to we have other than theirs that they were ever intending to let the victims go?
 
2012-06-16 02:50:23 PM
Huh. You people are crazy.

This guy? Way more crazy. And deserves the death penalty. We'd all be better off, including him.

/Legalize drugs, burn shiatbags like this at the stake.
 
2012-06-16 03:13:40 PM
I didn't think this would need to be pointed out, but obviously we've got some really really dense idiots in here, especially subby.

10 years ago, a starbucks I worked at was robbed. The guy committed his 3rd felony, and went to jail for life, over 67 bucks. His previous 2 felonies were armed robberies.

Maybe if the bleeding heart liberal hadn't committed 2 felonies in the past, stealing a pizza wouldn't net him in jail as a detriment to society.

/back on topic
 
2012-06-16 03:29:32 PM

Fade2black: I didn't think this would need to be pointed out, but obviously we've got some really really dense idiots in here, especially subby.

10 years ago, a starbucks I worked at was robbed. The guy committed his 3rd felony, and went to jail for life, over 67 bucks. His previous 2 felonies were armed robberies.

Maybe if the bleeding heart liberal hadn't committed 2 felonies in the past, stealing a pizza wouldn't net him in jail as a detriment to society.

/back on topic


Starbucks is a pizza joint? Seems legit.
 
2012-06-16 08:59:12 PM

ialdabaoth: Smeggy Smurf: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

Look who has a brother in the Group W bench manufacturing business

Criminality is genetic. We should imprison anyone whose family includes a criminal.


Works for me - I don;t have any blood relatives in prison.
 
2012-06-16 09:20:40 PM

fatcurlytoes: Huh. You people are crazy.

This guy? Way more crazy. And deserves the death penalty. We'd all be better off, including him.

/Legalize drugs, burn shiatbags like this at the stake.


Nah. I say we burn everyone at the stake.
 
2012-06-16 10:35:14 PM

accelerus: Anyone wonder why CA is so financially irresponsible?


Prop 13
 
2012-06-16 10:59:18 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.


Yeah, cuz I mean after 27 counts of kidnapping and attempted murder, this guy should totally see the light of day again.

The derp is strong in this one..
 
2012-06-17 12:51:58 AM

farkityfarker: One of the reasons that California's death row has so many people on it is that they almost never actually execute anyone.

It would make sense for them to simply eliminate capital punishment, but for whatever reason that's not politically expedient.



that, and we have a larger population than Texas, and a three strikes law.
 
2012-06-17 12:53:34 AM

farkityfarker: It would make sense for them to simply eliminate capital punishment, but for whatever reason that's not politically expedient.


there is currently a lot of debate on whether it is cheaper to execute them or cheaper to eliminate death penalty.
Note emphasis on cheaper.
 
2012-06-17 12:55:10 AM
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2012-06-16 10:02:38 AM

Meh, he probably has a major medical problem and the state doesn't want to pay for it.


Bingo. maybe he's an 80 year old cancer patient, and dumping him on the streets would be more punishment than keeping him in jail and having to pay for the chemo.
 
2012-06-17 01:10:46 AM

queen biatch of the universe: No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.

To add to this, I know one of the people that was on that bus. Having your bus buried in the dark with air running out and kids pissing themselves in fear is the stuff that creates PTSD. The guy I know has massive therapy bills he has to pay himself because of these jack-off. Can't get in any sort of vehicle, never flown or driven because he fears being locked in inclosed places. While I'm on the fence about letting this guy go, do not say this was a victimless crime. At least they guy they are releasing got tax-pay rehabilitation. Like most victims, my acquaintance had to foot the bill to put his life back in order himself.


I remember when this occurred. It was a big news story for a while.

I also recall reading an L.A. Times article about some of the survivors several years ago...all of them had suffered psychological damage stemming from their kidnapping.

"Nobody got hurt..." bullshiat. Those kids were farked up for life.
 
2012-06-17 01:22:08 AM
Christ, what a load of horseshiat in this thread about the three strikes rule.

Here's the deal people: If you have two or more violent or serious felonies (serious felonies include things like burglary and assault with intent to commit murder--felonies that have a very high likelihood of leading to violence), then you're eligible for a life sentence for a third felony of any sort.

Protip: If you've already been convicted of a violent felony twice, keep your damn nose clean! Is it really that hard? How many of you have been convicted of a single felony, let alone a violent one? Not many. Anyone here been convicted of two violent felonies? Well, if you have, and you still can't manage to live within the rules of society like everyone else, then you're a complete idiot and you deserve anything you get. It's not like you can reach your third strike and have it be a total surprise to you.

Anyone who feels any sort of sympathy for "victims" of the three strikes rule is a fecking moron.
 
2012-06-17 03:49:42 AM

Yes this is dog: 100 Watt Walrus: "the 70's" what, Smitty?


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It's an accepted usage of an apostrophe according to some styles. 70s or '70s would be better, true, but 70's is not outright incorrect.


It is outright incorrect, it's just that most people who care have given up because the world has been taken over by people who never learned even the simple rules of their own native language. Apostrophes have two uses (outside of some proper names): Conjunctions and possession.

In the case of decades, it's a conjunction in which what's being left out is the first two digits:

1970s
becomes
'70s

Nobody with half a brain would type "I own two car's." The same goes for decades.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Heh... I think Fark should just go ahead and add a button for that cartoon in the format bar


I'd settle for some kind of headline autocorrect for apostrophes.
 
2012-06-17 05:01:36 AM
I met both the Schonfeld brothers on the set of one of the Dirty Harry movies (The Enforcer) about a week before they did this. My recollection is that they were completely normal for movie fans - no funny glint in the eye, no telltale of any kind - just normal. Guess sometimes first impressions can be way off.
 
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