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(MSNBC)   California, the state with the largest death row and where the 3-strikes rule puts people in prison for life for stealing pizza, is about to release that guy from the 70's who took a bus full of children and buried them alive in a quarry   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 121
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2012-06-15 11:42:25 PM
So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.
 
2012-06-15 11:55:07 PM
Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.
 
2012-06-16 12:39:37 AM
Because reducing the amount he's costing the taxpayers after 36 years in prison is a bad thing?

/in general: fewer inmates is bad?
//fewer guards/CCPO union members is bad?
///if we won't raise taxes, we must make cuts
 
2012-06-16 01:20:10 AM
I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.
 
2012-06-16 01:23:42 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.


Are you implying that baseball metaphors might not be the most practical philosophy for criminal punishment?

/there are a whole lot of frightened rednecks in this state
 
2012-06-16 01:56:39 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.

Are you implying that baseball metaphors might not be the most practical philosophy for criminal punishment?

/there are a whole lot of frightened rednecks in this state


Yeah - I live in Redneck territory...where the top employer is Pelican Bay State Prison...and the #2 employer is Home Depot, whose #1 customer is Pelican Bay.

I keep much of my criticism to myself...
 
2012-06-16 02:26:16 AM
Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?
 
2012-06-16 02:30:59 AM

Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?


I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard
 
2012-06-16 02:40:20 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard


Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!
 
2012-06-16 02:57:29 AM

Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-16 03:42:44 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x297]


i would totally watch that.
 
2012-06-16 03:49:07 AM
He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.
 
2012-06-16 03:49:17 AM

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.
 
2012-06-16 03:50:11 AM
I hate baseball.
 
2012-06-16 03:51:00 AM

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.
 
2012-06-16 03:51:51 AM
We get it, he's white.
 
2012-06-16 03:51:57 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?


Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.
 
2012-06-16 03:52:08 AM
Carlin said it best....

Link
 
2012-06-16 03:53:45 AM
I'm against three strikes rules, but goddamn, kidnapping a busload of kids and farking burying them alive should merit a life sentence, bare minimum.
 
2012-06-16 03:55:22 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?


never had your only child kidnapped by a bunch of psychopaths in the psychopathic 1970's and taken god knows where only to find out they had been stuffed in a hole in the ground I see.
hrmmm.

maybe no one was severely injured,
but this dude undoubtedly hurt a whole shiatload of people quite seriously.

/no opinion on his release.
 
2012-06-16 03:56:38 AM
now he become the Governor.
 
2012-06-16 03:57:14 AM

swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.


kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.
 
2012-06-16 03:58:51 AM

ialdabaoth: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.


Turn jails into giant whore houses?

The prisoners get laid, the jails get money, the taxpayers get filthy jail sex.

I think it could be a win/win/herpes solution.
 
2012-06-16 03:59:44 AM

relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.


So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?
 
2012-06-16 04:01:08 AM

Rug Doctor: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.


I have an impulse to hurt kids every time I'm around the little bastards. I've managed to control myself, so far.
 
2012-06-16 04:02:50 AM

some_beer_drinker: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x297]

i would totally watch that.


I want one to take to the Dog Park and taunt the douche with a Labradoodle.
 
2012-06-16 04:02:56 AM

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


Look who has a brother in the Group W bench manufacturing business
 
2012-06-16 04:04:42 AM
I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....
 
2012-06-16 04:08:49 AM
Nobody got hurt and he was scheduled to get out 35 1/2 years ago?\

Yeah people COULD have got hurt. Just like I COULD of farked (insert generically hot chick here). Any one who says he deserves to die or should be in prison forever is a socially repressed psychopath spewing their psychosis anonymously on the internet moments, minutes, hours, days, months before they eat someones face off.

Big difference between should and would children.
 
2012-06-16 04:10:15 AM

Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?


Like so much of the San Joaquin Valley, the critter Chowchilla most closely resembles is a day-old roadkill opossum.
 
2012-06-16 04:11:34 AM

RoyBatty: it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."


When I saw the headline, my first reaction was that the people died, because that's usually associated with the phrase "buried alive." Now, I know pretty much everyone that comments on fark reads the article first, but just in case, I used that phrase to mean no one died and/or was seriously bodily injured. I'm sure there was emotional trauma.
 
2012-06-16 04:11:36 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.

So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?



I really give a flip; the people of California can decide. every community in america can decide this shiat.

I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.

and I already said I don't have an opinion about him being released.
that should give you a clue that I'm not demanding he stay in prison for the rest of his natural life or be put to death.
so go f*ck yourself for the stupid question.

*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)
 
2012-06-16 04:12:27 AM
I thought Callahan took care of this guy
 
2012-06-16 04:14:35 AM
swahnhennessy:
*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)

Silly Farker. There is no god. Duh.
 
2012-06-16 04:15:06 AM

freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....


And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be
 
2012-06-16 04:16:40 AM

relcec: MaudlinMutantMollusk: relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.

So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?


I really give a flip; the people of California can decide. every community in america can decide this shiat.

I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.

and I already said I don't have an opinion about him being released.
that should give you a clue that I'm not demanding he stay in prison for the rest of his natural life or be put to death.
so go f*ck yourself for the stupid question.

*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)


And f*ck you, too, my friend.

/have a nice evening
 
2012-06-16 04:18:22 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

Look who has a brother in the Group W bench manufacturing business


Criminality is genetic. We should imprison anyone whose family includes a criminal.
 
2012-06-16 04:19:25 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk:

"Oh no it GODZILLA AHHH"
wait even GODZILLA deserve Habeus Corpus.

Even if he goddamn godzilla
 
2012-06-16 04:22:15 AM

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


I was in jail forever once. All it led me to was more banging your mom.
 
2012-06-16 04:22:26 AM
He must have had a pretty small shovel
 
2012-06-16 04:23:59 AM
At least it wasn't a bus full of nuns ;)

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-16 04:25:56 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....

And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be


Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ng in Calaveras. I guess he will die of old age on "death row". As for Zodiac, my uncle was a Vallejo cop who responded to one of the crime scenes. He's haunted to this day by that case. I sent him the link that was here recently about a book being written on the case - turns out he'd been interviewed by the author - Officer Steve Italian-last-name.
 
2012-06-16 04:26:54 AM

freetomato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....

And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be

Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ng in Calaveras. I guess he will die of old age on "death row". As for Zodiac, my uncle was a Vallejo cop who responded to one of the crime scenes. He's haunted to this day by that case. I sent him the link that was here recently about a book being written on the case - turns out he'd been interviewed by the author - Officer Steve Italian-last-name.


/csb
 
2012-06-16 04:27:01 AM

ialdabaoth: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.


Why leave it at that? Make them profit centers for the State. Guarantee the State and the contractors are guaranteed to double their money for the cost of housing an inmate.

It's a win-win situation, and everyone gets a share!
 
2012-06-16 04:29:35 AM

"the 70's" what, Smitty?


i.imgur.com

img707.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-16 04:29:59 AM

relcec: I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.


He served 36 years. And you need to go to bed.
 
2012-06-16 04:31:08 AM
I remember this case. The kidnappers were three 20-something sons of wealthy families who had gotten themselves into a bit of debt. When the hostages escaped before they could call in their ransom demand (the police phone lines were tied up by all of the calls from the victims' family members and the media), two of the kidnappers tried to run for it, while this guy told his parents.

Link
 
2012-06-16 04:31:28 AM

100 Watt Walrus: "the 70's" what, Smitty?


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Heh... I think Fark should just go ahead and add a button for that cartoon in the format bar
 
2012-06-16 04:36:52 AM
So I gather someone made a large campaign contribution somewhere.
 
2012-06-16 04:37:31 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: I remember this case. The kidnappers were three 20-something sons of wealthy families who had gotten themselves into a bit of debt. When the hostages escaped before they could call in their ransom demand (the police phone lines were tied up by all of the calls from the victims' family members and the media), two of the kidnappers tried to run for it, while this guy told his parents.

Link


This part of that site describes the psychological trauma on the children.

Link
 
2012-06-16 04:39:32 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And f*ck you, too, my friend.

/have a nice evening



Spoken like a grizzled CA mountain goat.

/Know Georgetown - have had my share of cold ones at Uncle Tom's before the road was paved
//Family lives in Pollock Pines and the surrounding environs
 
2012-06-16 04:40:48 AM
Seriously? fark this guy. You kidnap not just one kid, but a busload of kids and *bury* the whole bus, you are a shiathead of the highest order and deserve life in prison. You tried to cover up your crime by killing children via burying them alive. If it was just kidnapping and a release, sure, let the guy go. He didn't though. Like I stated before, fark this guy.
 
2012-06-16 04:41:50 AM

freetomato: Spoken like a grizzled CA mountain goat.

/Know Georgetown - have had my share of cold ones at Uncle Tom's before the road was paved
//Family lives in Pollock Pines and the surrounding environs


Well, let me know if you get up this way again.

/the first 5 or 6 rounds are on me :)
 
2012-06-16 04:43:10 AM
This is why Fark needs a [Californicated] tag
 
2012-06-16 04:44:44 AM

swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.


I bet those 26 kids that may have developed permanent issues from being buried alive might differ from your opinion.
 
2012-06-16 04:44:55 AM

CultureVulture: This is why Fark needs a [Californicated] tag


s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2012-06-16 04:47:36 AM

CasperImproved: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

I bet those 26 kids that may have developed permanent issues from being buried alive might differ from your opinion.


CasperImproved: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

I bet those 26 kids that may have developed permanent issues from being buried alive might differ from your opinion.


filmjournal.net

And this is why your children are probably gay.

/just sayin
 
2012-06-16 04:49:07 AM

Rug Doctor: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.


It`s because it is not a mental ilness, it is rational and caused by the fact that kids are just so hateable, you never stop wanting to hurt the little shiats. If parents raised them to be members of society instead of destructive noise machines it would be easier to not want to put them in a mincer.
justwilliam1959.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-16 04:49:10 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: Spoken like a grizzled CA mountain goat.

/Know Georgetown - have had my share of cold ones at Uncle Tom's before the road was paved
//Family lives in Pollock Pines and the surrounding environs

Well, let me know if you get up this way again.

/the first 5 or 6 rounds are on me :)


*fist bump* you know it. I'll have to bring some white lightning that my friend way up in the holler makes (boondocks in CA are pretty similar to boondocks in GA in many ways). Out that way at Christmas.

They're still finding bodies in Calaveras? Damn. I need to catch up.
 
2012-06-16 04:50:10 AM

freetomato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....

And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be

Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ng in Calaveras. I guess he will die of old age on "death row". As for Zodiac, my uncle was a Vallejo cop who responded to one of the crime scenes. He's haunted to this day by that case. I sent him the link that was here recently about a book being written on the case - turns out he'd been interviewed by the author - Officer Steve Italian-last-name.


CSB

While we're discussing Northern California serial killers, you can't forget:
*Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento
*Edmund Kemper, the Co-Ed Killer (Santa Cruz)
*Herbert Mullin, the Santa Cruz man who killed to prevent earthquakes
*Cary Stayner, the Yosemite Killer
*David Carpenter, the Trailside Killer (Bay Area)
*Wayne Adam Ford, walked into a police station one day and turned himself (and a piece of a woman's breast) in
*The Zebra Killers, a racist murder spree in San Francisco
*Morris Solomon, Jr, the Sacramento Slayer
*Dorothea Puente, Sacramento's killer landlady
*Juan Corona, the Machete Murderer (Yuba City)

And the unsolveds:
*The Santa Rosa Serial Killer
*The Keddie Murders (aka Cabin 28 Murders)
*The Doodler (San Francisco)

This list is by no means exhaustive...
 
2012-06-16 04:51:40 AM

Paris1127: This list is by no means exhaustive...


I'm lucky I got out alive.
 
2012-06-16 04:55:33 AM

Acidicnads: Nobody got hurt and he was scheduled to get out 35 1/2 years ago?\

deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com

Yeah people COULD have got hurt. Just like I COULD of farked (insert generically hot chick here). Any one who says he deserves to die or should be in prison forever is a socially repressed psychopath spewing their psychosis anonymously on the internet moments, minutes, hours, days, months before they eat someones face off.

Big difference between should and would children.

 
2012-06-16 04:57:09 AM

100 Watt Walrus: "the 70's" what, Smitty?


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It's an accepted usage of an apostrophe according to some styles. 70s or '70s would be better, true, but 70's is not outright incorrect.
 
2012-06-16 04:58:51 AM

CasperImproved: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

I bet those 26 kids that may have developed permanent issues from being buried alive might differ from your opinion.


They'll get over it.
 
2012-06-16 05:00:40 AM

doglover: ialdabaoth: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.

Turn jails into giant whore houses?

The prisoners get laid, the jails get money, the taxpayers get filthy jail sex.

I think it could be a win/win/herpes solution.


It's a solution I consider every time I watch Lockup late Saturday nights.

/why, yes, I did watch Oz late at night with the lights off.
 
2012-06-16 05:01:58 AM

Paris1127: While we're discussing Northern California serial killers, you can't forget:
*Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento
*Edmund Kemper, the Co-Ed Killer (Santa Cruz)
*Herbert Mullin, the Santa Cruz man who killed to prevent earthquakes
*Cary Stayner, the Yosemite Killer
*David Carpenter, the Trailside Killer (Bay Area)
*Wayne Adam Ford, walked into a police station one day and turned himself (and a piece of a woman's breast) in
*The Zebra Killers, a racist murder spree in San Francisco
*Morris Solomon, Jr, the Sacramento Slayer
*Dorothea Puente, Sacramento's killer landlady
*Juan Corona, the Machete Murderer (Yuba City)

And the unso ...


Met this guy. I dated his cousin.
Yeah... seriously creepy, but nothing that would lead you to think he'd do what he did

Other weird CSB:
I was interning for a computer service company in downtown Sacramento in the early '90s. One day I was standing out in front of the building smoking a cigarette, and this guy walked past kind of looking at the building. We made eye contact... and it was weird. And no, not like sexual... but like an odd recognition or greeting. It stuck in my mind, and I couldn't figure out why.
And then when he got arrested, I realized I had met Ted Kaczynski
/end csb
 
2012-06-16 05:09:21 AM

RoyBatty: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.


AGREED, I hope we will read a story here on how he has been found dead soon after the release. That I would be okay with.
 
2012-06-16 05:17:53 AM
Quick, thaw out Sylvester Stallone!
 
2012-06-16 05:19:02 AM
Ahhhh CA -- where even after trying to kill a busload of kids a man can get a fresh start.

I'm sure he's 100% normal and well adjusted now and will be a perfect functioning member of society. /sarcasm

The same people who are all excited for him to have a second chance are the same people who would just flip the hell out if he moved in next door to them after his release.

"nobody getting hurt" - I'm sure if we ask the victims they wouldn't agree. 36 years of tax payer money has been wasted, when 50 cents worth of ammo and a firing squad would have save untold millions.

Anyone wonder why CA is so financially irresponsible?
 
2012-06-16 05:20:28 AM

freetomato: *fist bump* you know it. I'll have to bring some white lightning that my friend way up in the holler makes (boondocks in CA are pretty similar to boondocks in GA in many ways). Out that way at Christmas.

They're still finding bodies in Calaveras? Damn. I need to catch up.


If you do come out here for Christmas, seriously, it would be my honor to by you a drink and meet a fellow Farker

/Hell, maybe we can fire up a Placerville Fark party :)
//Hangman's is closed, but Liar's Bench would be just as apropos
 
2012-06-16 05:23:54 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: While we're discussing Northern California serial killers, you can't forget:
*Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento
*Edmund Kemper, the Co-Ed Killer (Santa Cruz)
*Herbert Mullin, the Santa Cruz man who killed to prevent earthquakes
*Cary Stayner, the Yosemite Killer
*David Carpenter, the Trailside Killer (Bay Area)
*Wayne Adam Ford, walked into a police station one day and turned himself (and a piece of a woman's breast) in
*The Zebra Killers, a racist murder spree in San Francisco
*Morris Solomon, Jr, the Sacramento Slayer
*Dorothea Puente, Sacramento's killer landlady
*Juan Corona, the Machete Murderer (Yuba City)

And the unso ...

Met this guy. I dated his cousin.
Yeah... seriously creepy, but nothing that would lead you to think he'd do what he did

Other weird CSB:
I was interning for a computer service company in downtown Sacramento in the early '90s. One day I was standing out in front of the building smoking a cigarette, and this guy walked past kind of looking at the building. We made eye contact... and it was weird. And no, not like sexual... but like an odd recognition or greeting. It stuck in my mind, and I couldn't figure out why.
And then when he got arrested, I realized I had met Ted Kaczynski
/end csb


Well, at least you didn't date Richard Trenton Chase. NTTAWWT, but I doubt drinking animal organs blended with Coke is worth it. As for the Unabomber, in June '93 he left the woods to mail two bombs, one of which exploded in California (Tiburon), the other in New Jersey. The last bomb he mailed exploded five days after Oklahoma City, April 24, 1995, killing a timber lobbyist in Sacramento. Those were his early 90s bombs. You could very well have seen him after he'd dropped off a package... Or was scouting locations for bombings.
 
2012-06-16 05:30:55 AM

Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: While we're discussing Northern California serial killers, you can't forget:
*Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento
*Edmund Kemper, the Co-Ed Killer (Santa Cruz)
*Herbert Mullin, the Santa Cruz man who killed to prevent earthquakes
*Cary Stayner, the Yosemite Killer
*David Carpenter, the Trailside Killer (Bay Area)
*Wayne Adam Ford, walked into a police station one day and turned himself (and a piece of a woman's breast) in
*The Zebra Killers, a racist murder spree in San Francisco
*Morris Solomon, Jr, the Sacramento Slayer
*Dorothea Puente, Sacramento's killer landlady
*Juan Corona, the Machete Murderer (Yuba City)

And the unso ...

Met this guy. I dated his cousin.
Yeah... seriously creepy, but nothing that would lead you to think he'd do what he did

Other weird CSB:
I was interning for a computer service company in downtown Sacramento in the early '90s. One day I was standing out in front of the building smoking a cigarette, and this guy walked past kind of looking at the building. We made eye contact... and it was weird. And no, not like sexual... but like an odd recognition or greeting. It stuck in my mind, and I couldn't figure out why.
And then when he got arrested, I realized I had met Ted Kaczynski
/end csb

Well, at least you didn't date Richard Trenton Chase. NTTAWWT, but I doubt drinking animal organs blended with Coke is worth it. As for the Unabomber, in June '93 he left the woods to mail two bombs, one of which exploded in California (Tiburon), the other in New Jersey. The last bomb he mailed exploded five days after Oklahoma City, April 24, 1995, killing a timber lobbyist in Sacramento. Those were his early 90s bombs. You could very well have seen him after he'd dropped off a package... Or was scouting locations for bombings.


I was working on J Street, and one of the places he'd bombed was like 2 blocks away on H or I

/I think it was early in '91. Might have been '92.
//I think the company was AmeriData, or something like that
///had to overwrite some harddrive space
 
2012-06-16 05:40:04 AM
Looking at the dates, I think I saw him during his 6-year hiatus, and before the bomb that was just around the corner from where I worked

/I could be wrong, but I will go to my grave swearing that is the man I made lingering eye contact with

/it left an impression
 
2012-06-16 05:48:13 AM

skyshooter: RoyBatty: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.

AGREED, I hope we will read a story here on how he has been found dead soon after the release. That I would be okay with.



Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?



So just to make it all very ambiguous, it turns out that

"On July 25, 1977, one year and ten days after the crime, the three pled guilty to 27 counts of kidnapping for ransom without inflicting injury.
"

Although the judge disagreed:

"The prosecution argued that injury had been inflicted, and later that year a judge heard testimony from Ed, the children, and various medical professionals. On December 15, 1977, the judge told the accused and the court that he had found "..beyond reasonable doubt that there was bodily harm. I made my finding (based) on the testimony of (three of the) children. I think they are telling the truth. The kidnapping itself was a classic violation of bodily security, and this was an aggravated kidnapping. (These) children were not old enough to endure such treatment....(they) were not told why they were there. They were impressed with the fear they were going to die...(they) were put through an ordeal by terror."
 
2012-06-16 05:52:32 AM
One of the reasons that California's death row has so many people on it is that they almost never actually execute anyone.

It would make sense for them to simply eliminate capital punishment, but for whatever reason that's not politically expedient.
 
2012-06-16 06:03:45 AM

doglover: ialdabaoth: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.

Turn jails into giant whore houses?

The prisoners get laid, the jails get money, the taxpayers get filthy jail sex.

I think it could be a win/win/herpes solution.


No, I think we'd do better if all jails were organ factories.
 
2012-06-16 06:26:40 AM

freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.


That's nothing. You should hear about what the guys in Charlie Company did. And they're all walking free today.
 
2012-06-16 07:07:11 AM
The bus driver got a parade and a free dog. Later bought the bus.
Link
 
2012-06-16 07:31:02 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.


I heard a parole board in SC released a guy who attended his parole hearing in restraints and screaming threats. I was told this by a guy who witnessed the guy being removed and saying to a guard "Well I am glad he'll still be in prison". The guard replied "No, he got his probation". I stopped trusting parole boards after that. One of the most peaceful guys I ever met and was trusted by the prisons couldn't get parole 20 years after his crime. Luckily for him he was only sentenced to 30 years and I am sure he is out now.
 
2012-06-16 07:36:19 AM

lack of warmth: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.

I heard a parole board in SC released a guy who attended his parole hearing in restraints and screaming threats. I was told this by a guy who witnessed the guy being removed and saying to a guard "Well I am glad he'll still be in prison". The guard replied "No, he got his probation". I stopped trusting parole boards after that. One of the most peaceful guys I ever met and was trusted by the prisons couldn't get parole 20 years after his crime. Luckily for him he was only sentenced to 30 years and I am sure he is out now.


There is no such thing as justice, fairness, or decency. Anywhere. Occasionally the illusions of them might come together, like the illusion of the face of Jesus on a piece of toast or the virgin Mary on the mold growing in a bathroom, but they're just random fluctuations that we impose a pattern onto.

The universe - and this includes other people - has no particular inclination whether you live or die. Get used to it.
 
2012-06-16 07:59:51 AM
I'm all for him being released. It's a lot easier to carry out vigilante justice when the target isn't safe inside a prison.
 
2012-06-16 09:15:41 AM
I wonder what the psychology reports to the parole board are saying. I wonder if "The victims are feeling guilty as their captures are now in prison" with more psychobabble thrown in. The kids feeling like they should have known better is documented in the links above.

There have been cases were the prisoners health is so bad, its cheaper for the prison to kick them out and let them die on the streets than to babysit them in a hospital.
 
2012-06-16 09:18:20 AM

Linkster: Carlin said it best....

Link


We are less as a society with him gone, he was consistently hilarious for his entire career.
 
2012-06-16 09:21:48 AM
this guy, his two biatches, should have been tested then used as organ donors. toss the rest to a medical teaching environment and call it a day. i view warehousing people for long terms or life as horribly cruel. use them for parts.
 
2012-06-16 09:29:29 AM

the_chief: I hate baseball.


But I hate baseball cards.
 
2012-06-16 09:42:10 AM
Didn't the quarry thing happen on an episode of Monk?
 
2012-06-16 10:02:38 AM
Meh, he probably has a major medical problem and the state doesn't want to pay for it.
 
2012-06-16 10:05:47 AM

KrispyKritter: this guy, his two biatches, should have been tested then used as organ donors. toss the rest to a medical teaching environment and call it a day. i view warehousing people for long terms or life as horribly cruel. use them for parts.


China does. Then again, I don't think we (or anyone) should be emulating them.
 
2012-06-16 10:19:50 AM
If Governor Brown had cut the school bus program to balance the budget in the 1970's, we would even be having this conversation.
 
2012-06-16 10:40:38 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: f Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example



tried googling calaveras county. spanish word for skull, something about indian remains. so what exactly are they digging up there lately?
 
2012-06-16 10:45:20 AM
Um, so why not let out one of the guys who "stole a pizza" to make room to keep this psycho locked up?

/Alternativly, let him out but bury him in a school bus and cover it in concrete
 
2012-06-16 10:59:29 AM

NephilimNexus: Quick, thaw out Sylvester Stallone!


took long enough

/Farkers are slipping
 
2012-06-16 11:00:14 AM

danno_to_infinity: MaudlinMutantMollusk: f Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example



tried googling calaveras county. spanish word for skull, something about indian remains. so what exactly are they digging up there lately?


Dozens of victims of serial killers Wesley Shermantine and Loren Herzog link
 
2012-06-16 11:07:56 AM
Whether he deserves parole or not, a parole hearing is not supposed to be the time to re-try the original case. The judgment about whether someone should ever be eligible for parole is made when the law is written and the person is sentenced. When the inmate reaches the parole eligibility in his sentence, the question at that point should be whether the person going forward from today would be a law-abiding citizen. A parole hearing that only reviews the original crime and victim impact and uses that as the basis to deny parole without considering the inmate's present developement is the same as not having a parole hearing.
 
2012-06-16 11:14:16 AM
Dayum, I lived in Northern California for 5, 6 years and I didn't realize how many mass serial killers operated in that area of the state.

Maybe because most of that stuff happened in 70's and 80's, before I was in California, I didnt think about it.

I'm thinking most of that weirdness migrated up the 5 to Portland/Seattle/Vancouver areas in later years.
 
2012-06-16 11:57:07 AM

RoyBatty: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.


To add to this, I know one of the people that was on that bus. Having your bus buried in the dark with air running out and kids pissing themselves in fear is the stuff that creates PTSD. The guy I know has massive therapy bills he has to pay himself because of these jack-off. Can't get in any sort of vehicle, never flown or driven because he fears being locked in inclosed places. While I'm on the fence about letting this guy go, do not say this was a victimless crime. At least they guy they are releasing got tax-pay rehabilitation. Like most victims, my acquaintance had to foot the bill to put his life back in order himself.
 
2012-06-16 12:05:29 PM
images.starpulse.com
You wanna be released? Well do ya, PUNK???????????!
 
2012-06-16 12:24:01 PM
unrealitymag.com

FTFA: Frank Edward Ray, the school bus driver hailed as a hero for helping lead the children to safety after 16 hours underground, died May 17 at the age of 91 in Chowchilla.

Rock on, deceased hero dude.

I'd rather read this guy's story.
 
2012-06-16 12:27:17 PM
Yeah, I'd say it's a problem that he's being released now.

Nobody got hurt, and he's been in prison for 36 years. That's pretty damn outrageous. He should have been released 20 years ago.
 
2012-06-16 12:54:16 PM

freetomato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And f*ck you, too, my friend.

/have a nice evening


Spoken like a grizzled CA mountain goat.

/Know Georgetown - have had my share of cold ones at Uncle Tom's before the road was paved
//Family lives in Pollock Pines and the surrounding environs


They paved the road to Uncle Tom's? That takes all the fun out of it!

/aunt and uncle used to live in Quintette
 
2012-06-16 12:56:07 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.


As long as it is limited to three felonies, I don't have much of an issue with such laws. My only issue is how many crimes which used to be misdemeanors are now considered felonies. I'd rather see that trend corrected rather than to toss 3-strikes laws out.


DarkVader: Nobody got hurt, and he's been in prison for 36 years


Given the long term psychological damage done to these kids, I'd say they were very much hurt. You don't need to shoot or stab somebody to leave scars.
 
2012-06-16 01:20:22 PM
Isn't this guy the inspiration for Freddy Kruger? "Nightmare on Elm Street II" 's bus scene is a bit similar to the real thing.
 
2012-06-16 01:25:37 PM

bwilson27: [images.starpulse.com image 470x315]
You wanna be released? Well do ya, PUNK???????????!


I came to this thread to see a Andy Robinson pic. I'm glad you posted it.

Andy Robinson frowns upon the rest of the Fark community
img36.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-16 01:38:34 PM

LibertyHiller: freetomato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And f*ck you, too, my friend.

/have a nice evening


Spoken like a grizzled CA mountain goat.

/Know Georgetown - have had my share of cold ones at Uncle Tom's before the road was paved
//Family lives in Pollock Pines and the surrounding environs

They paved the road to Uncle Tom's? That takes all the fun out of it!

/aunt and uncle used to live in Quintette


The last hundred yards or so going into Tom's is still dirt, but Wentworth Springs Road is paved all the way up to Icehouse now

/easier for the logging trucks that way
 
2012-06-16 01:47:12 PM
Kidnapping for ransom? Yeah, I really do think that deserves the death penalty.
 
2012-06-16 02:03:43 PM
70 year old getting released after 36 years in prison. Is he going to go home and carve "Brooks was here" in the roof beam before throwing the rope over it?
 
2012-06-16 02:04:33 PM
Here's a comment from TFA linked earlier in the thread:

Rod Casper:

At the time, and still today reading this history, it is striking again today something mentioned in this article and in news accounts then that caused talk back then that the kidnappers never intended to release the victims. The son of the owner of the quarry never thought the buried van would be found, which would automatically tie him to the crime. How could that be, if they planned to release the victims? Did they really think that they could release the victims in a way that the site wouldn't be discovered? Did they think that none of the victims, who were never blindfolded, would remember something about that site upon arrival or release that would reveal its whereabouts? In the media at the time it was often mentioned that the kidnappers never intended to release them and that all would die. They didn't cover the license plates of the other vans... it seems there is a huge doubt that they thought any of the victims would survive to tell anything. It seems they didn't think any evidence would ever surface from that quarry.


So, is it because of the escape that this was 27 counts of kidnapping and not 27 counts of murder? Whose word to we have other than theirs that they were ever intending to let the victims go?
 
2012-06-16 02:50:23 PM
Huh. You people are crazy.

This guy? Way more crazy. And deserves the death penalty. We'd all be better off, including him.

/Legalize drugs, burn shiatbags like this at the stake.
 
2012-06-16 03:13:40 PM
I didn't think this would need to be pointed out, but obviously we've got some really really dense idiots in here, especially subby.

10 years ago, a starbucks I worked at was robbed. The guy committed his 3rd felony, and went to jail for life, over 67 bucks. His previous 2 felonies were armed robberies.

Maybe if the bleeding heart liberal hadn't committed 2 felonies in the past, stealing a pizza wouldn't net him in jail as a detriment to society.

/back on topic
 
2012-06-16 03:29:32 PM

Fade2black: I didn't think this would need to be pointed out, but obviously we've got some really really dense idiots in here, especially subby.

10 years ago, a starbucks I worked at was robbed. The guy committed his 3rd felony, and went to jail for life, over 67 bucks. His previous 2 felonies were armed robberies.

Maybe if the bleeding heart liberal hadn't committed 2 felonies in the past, stealing a pizza wouldn't net him in jail as a detriment to society.

/back on topic


Starbucks is a pizza joint? Seems legit.
 
2012-06-16 08:59:12 PM

ialdabaoth: Smeggy Smurf: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

Look who has a brother in the Group W bench manufacturing business

Criminality is genetic. We should imprison anyone whose family includes a criminal.


Works for me - I don;t have any blood relatives in prison.
 
2012-06-16 09:20:40 PM

fatcurlytoes: Huh. You people are crazy.

This guy? Way more crazy. And deserves the death penalty. We'd all be better off, including him.

/Legalize drugs, burn shiatbags like this at the stake.


Nah. I say we burn everyone at the stake.
 
2012-06-16 10:35:14 PM

accelerus: Anyone wonder why CA is so financially irresponsible?


Prop 13
 
2012-06-16 10:59:18 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.


Yeah, cuz I mean after 27 counts of kidnapping and attempted murder, this guy should totally see the light of day again.

The derp is strong in this one..
 
2012-06-17 12:51:58 AM

farkityfarker: One of the reasons that California's death row has so many people on it is that they almost never actually execute anyone.

It would make sense for them to simply eliminate capital punishment, but for whatever reason that's not politically expedient.



that, and we have a larger population than Texas, and a three strikes law.
 
2012-06-17 12:53:34 AM

farkityfarker: It would make sense for them to simply eliminate capital punishment, but for whatever reason that's not politically expedient.


there is currently a lot of debate on whether it is cheaper to execute them or cheaper to eliminate death penalty.
Note emphasis on cheaper.
 
2012-06-17 12:55:10 AM
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2012-06-16 10:02:38 AM

Meh, he probably has a major medical problem and the state doesn't want to pay for it.


Bingo. maybe he's an 80 year old cancer patient, and dumping him on the streets would be more punishment than keeping him in jail and having to pay for the chemo.
 
2012-06-17 01:10:46 AM

queen biatch of the universe: No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.

To add to this, I know one of the people that was on that bus. Having your bus buried in the dark with air running out and kids pissing themselves in fear is the stuff that creates PTSD. The guy I know has massive therapy bills he has to pay himself because of these jack-off. Can't get in any sort of vehicle, never flown or driven because he fears being locked in inclosed places. While I'm on the fence about letting this guy go, do not say this was a victimless crime. At least they guy they are releasing got tax-pay rehabilitation. Like most victims, my acquaintance had to foot the bill to put his life back in order himself.


I remember when this occurred. It was a big news story for a while.

I also recall reading an L.A. Times article about some of the survivors several years ago...all of them had suffered psychological damage stemming from their kidnapping.

"Nobody got hurt..." bullshiat. Those kids were farked up for life.
 
2012-06-17 01:22:08 AM
Christ, what a load of horseshiat in this thread about the three strikes rule.

Here's the deal people: If you have two or more violent or serious felonies (serious felonies include things like burglary and assault with intent to commit murder--felonies that have a very high likelihood of leading to violence), then you're eligible for a life sentence for a third felony of any sort.

Protip: If you've already been convicted of a violent felony twice, keep your damn nose clean! Is it really that hard? How many of you have been convicted of a single felony, let alone a violent one? Not many. Anyone here been convicted of two violent felonies? Well, if you have, and you still can't manage to live within the rules of society like everyone else, then you're a complete idiot and you deserve anything you get. It's not like you can reach your third strike and have it be a total surprise to you.

Anyone who feels any sort of sympathy for "victims" of the three strikes rule is a fecking moron.
 
2012-06-17 03:49:42 AM

Yes this is dog: 100 Watt Walrus: "the 70's" what, Smitty?


[i.imgur.com image 600x331]

[img707.imageshack.us image 199x239]

It's an accepted usage of an apostrophe according to some styles. 70s or '70s would be better, true, but 70's is not outright incorrect.


It is outright incorrect, it's just that most people who care have given up because the world has been taken over by people who never learned even the simple rules of their own native language. Apostrophes have two uses (outside of some proper names): Conjunctions and possession.

In the case of decades, it's a conjunction in which what's being left out is the first two digits:

1970s
becomes
'70s

Nobody with half a brain would type "I own two car's." The same goes for decades.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Heh... I think Fark should just go ahead and add a button for that cartoon in the format bar


I'd settle for some kind of headline autocorrect for apostrophes.
 
2012-06-17 05:01:36 AM
I met both the Schonfeld brothers on the set of one of the Dirty Harry movies (The Enforcer) about a week before they did this. My recollection is that they were completely normal for movie fans - no funny glint in the eye, no telltale of any kind - just normal. Guess sometimes first impressions can be way off.
 
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