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(MSNBC)   California, the state with the largest death row and where the 3-strikes rule puts people in prison for life for stealing pizza, is about to release that guy from the 70's who took a bus full of children and buried them alive in a quarry   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 121
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2012-06-15 11:42:25 PM  
So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?

I mean, the crime was severe enough to justify every last day of that, and I wouldn't shed tears over him having to stay in jail longer, but if it's deemed he's no longer a threat to society and the courts feel it's appropriate to parole him, I don't see what the big deal is.
 
2012-06-15 11:55:07 PM  
Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.
 
2012-06-16 12:39:37 AM  
Because reducing the amount he's costing the taxpayers after 36 years in prison is a bad thing?

/in general: fewer inmates is bad?
//fewer guards/CCPO union members is bad?
///if we won't raise taxes, we must make cuts
 
2012-06-16 01:20:10 AM  
I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.
 
2012-06-16 01:23:42 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.


Are you implying that baseball metaphors might not be the most practical philosophy for criminal punishment?

/there are a whole lot of frightened rednecks in this state
 
2012-06-16 01:56:39 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lionel Mandrake: I'm much more disturbed by the 3-strikes BS than I am by this guy being released.

Are you implying that baseball metaphors might not be the most practical philosophy for criminal punishment?

/there are a whole lot of frightened rednecks in this state


Yeah - I live in Redneck territory...where the top employer is Pelican Bay State Prison...and the #2 employer is Home Depot, whose #1 customer is Pelican Bay.

I keep much of my criticism to myself...
 
2012-06-16 02:26:16 AM  
Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?
 
2012-06-16 02:30:59 AM  

Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?


I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard
 
2012-06-16 02:40:20 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard


Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!
 
2012-06-16 02:57:29 AM  

Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-16 03:42:44 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x297]


i would totally watch that.
 
2012-06-16 03:49:07 AM  
He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.
 
2012-06-16 03:49:17 AM  

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.
 
2012-06-16 03:50:11 AM  
I hate baseball.
 
2012-06-16 03:51:00 AM  

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.
 
2012-06-16 03:51:51 AM  
We get it, he's white.
 
2012-06-16 03:51:57 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?


Regardless of whether he has reformed or aged to the point where he can be released, it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."

No one was hurt because they escaped. It's not that these guys had any made any attempt to keep the kids and their bus driver in good shape.
 
2012-06-16 03:52:08 AM  
Carlin said it best....

Link
 
2012-06-16 03:53:45 AM  
I'm against three strikes rules, but goddamn, kidnapping a busload of kids and farking burying them alive should merit a life sentence, bare minimum.
 
2012-06-16 03:55:22 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So it's not okay to release someone who spent 36 years in prison for a crime in which no one got hurt?


never had your only child kidnapped by a bunch of psychopaths in the psychopathic 1970's and taken god knows where only to find out they had been stuffed in a hole in the ground I see.
hrmmm.

maybe no one was severely injured,
but this dude undoubtedly hurt a whole shiatload of people quite seriously.

/no opinion on his release.
 
2012-06-16 03:56:38 AM  
now he become the Governor.
 
2012-06-16 03:57:14 AM  

swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.


kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.
 
2012-06-16 03:58:51 AM  

ialdabaoth: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.


Turn jails into giant whore houses?

The prisoners get laid, the jails get money, the taxpayers get filthy jail sex.

I think it could be a win/win/herpes solution.
 
2012-06-16 03:59:44 AM  

relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.


So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?
 
2012-06-16 04:01:08 AM  

Rug Doctor: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

If he had been a drug dealer or killed a guy who was nailing his wife, I'd agree with you. But I don't believe the impulse to hurt kids just goes away, even after 36 years. That's a special kind of crazy.


I have an impulse to hurt kids every time I'm around the little bastards. I've managed to control myself, so far.
 
2012-06-16 04:02:50 AM  

some_beer_drinker: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?

I always envisioned a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard

Awesome. Let's pitch it to SyFy, maybe we can get a made-for-TV movie starring a washed-up 80s pop star. We'll call it Chowchilla. And it'll be about a women's prison being attacked by a cross between a bad-tempered furry Japanese dog and a bad-tempered Japanese giant radioactive lizard. Gold, Jerry, gold!

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x297]

i would totally watch that.


I want one to take to the Dog Park and taunt the douche with a Labradoodle.
 
2012-06-16 04:02:56 AM  

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


Look who has a brother in the Group W bench manufacturing business
 
2012-06-16 04:04:42 AM  
I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....
 
2012-06-16 04:08:49 AM  
Nobody got hurt and he was scheduled to get out 35 1/2 years ago?\

Yeah people COULD have got hurt. Just like I COULD of farked (insert generically hot chick here). Any one who says he deserves to die or should be in prison forever is a socially repressed psychopath spewing their psychosis anonymously on the internet moments, minutes, hours, days, months before they eat someones face off.

Big difference between should and would children.
 
2012-06-16 04:10:15 AM  

Paris1127: Guy's just lucky they didn't stick him in prison in Chowchilla... They couldn't do that though, because Chowchilla's prisons are for women only.

Is it just me or does Chowchilla sound like some sort of dangerous cryptid crossover between a dog and chinchilla?


Like so much of the San Joaquin Valley, the critter Chowchilla most closely resembles is a day-old roadkill opossum.
 
2012-06-16 04:11:34 AM  

RoyBatty: it's a very odd characterization of burying a bus with 27 people and a limited air supply leaving the occupants in a hot, dark bus and no way out to call it "a crime in which no one got hurt."


When I saw the headline, my first reaction was that the people died, because that's usually associated with the phrase "buried alive." Now, I know pretty much everyone that comments on fark reads the article first, but just in case, I used that phrase to mean no one died and/or was seriously bodily injured. I'm sure there was emotional trauma.
 
2012-06-16 04:11:36 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.

So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?



I really give a flip; the people of California can decide. every community in america can decide this shiat.

I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.

and I already said I don't have an opinion about him being released.
that should give you a clue that I'm not demanding he stay in prison for the rest of his natural life or be put to death.
so go f*ck yourself for the stupid question.

*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)
 
2012-06-16 04:12:27 AM  
I thought Callahan took care of this guy
 
2012-06-16 04:14:35 AM  
swahnhennessy:
*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)

Silly Farker. There is no god. Duh.
 
2012-06-16 04:15:06 AM  

freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....


And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be
 
2012-06-16 04:16:40 AM  

relcec: MaudlinMutantMollusk: relcec: swahnhennessy: He served his time. If you're the type that thinks anyone who's ever broken a law or pulled a stupid stunt deserves to rot, you can take comfort in knowing that his accomplices are still behind bars. That should be enough masturbation material for you to last at least the rest of the morning.

kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a whole in the ground isn't a stupid stunt, ya f*cking dipshiat.

So he should be imprisoned for life at taxpayer expense, or put to death?

/are we going to allow debts to society to be paid off or not?


I really give a flip; the people of California can decide. every community in america can decide this shiat.

I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.

and I already said I don't have an opinion about him being released.
that should give you a clue that I'm not demanding he stay in prison for the rest of his natural life or be put to death.
so go f*ck yourself for the stupid question.

*(that god only knows if anyone would have made it out of if not for sheer stupidity on their part and a little bit of serendipity)


And f*ck you, too, my friend.

/have a nice evening
 
2012-06-16 04:18:22 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

Look who has a brother in the Group W bench manufacturing business


Criminality is genetic. We should imprison anyone whose family includes a criminal.
 
2012-06-16 04:19:25 AM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:

"Oh no it GODZILLA AHHH"
wait even GODZILLA deserve Habeus Corpus.

Even if he goddamn godzilla
 
2012-06-16 04:22:15 AM  

Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.


I was in jail forever once. All it led me to was more banging your mom.
 
2012-06-16 04:22:26 AM  
He must have had a pretty small shovel
 
2012-06-16 04:23:59 AM  
At least it wasn't a bus full of nuns ;)

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-16 04:25:56 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....

And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be


Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ng in Calaveras. I guess he will die of old age on "death row". As for Zodiac, my uncle was a Vallejo cop who responded to one of the crime scenes. He's haunted to this day by that case. I sent him the link that was here recently about a book being written on the case - turns out he'd been interviewed by the author - Officer Steve Italian-last-name.
 
2012-06-16 04:26:54 AM  

freetomato: MaudlinMutantMollusk: freetomato: I remember that case - I grew up in Sacramento so it was all over the news. If anyone deserved to fry - die painfully in the electric chair, it was Gerald Gallego - another nightmare character from back in the day. At least he died of rectal cancer and I hope it hurt like hell every second. If he'd not gotten sick, Nevada probably would have had him in front of a firing squad for dragging bodies over the state line. Lawrence Singleton also deserved a worse death than he got.

And the East Area Rapist who graduated to murder in Southern California is still out there.....

And if you'd like to go full foam-at-the-mouth, so is the Zodiac Killer. Among others: look at what they're digging up in Calaveras County lately, for just one example. We have no shortage of sick bastards here

/I'm with you on Gallego, though... sometimes there is no doubt about the crime or what the rightful punishment should be

Holy crap, I'd forgotten about Ng in Calaveras. I guess he will die of old age on "death row". As for Zodiac, my uncle was a Vallejo cop who responded to one of the crime scenes. He's haunted to this day by that case. I sent him the link that was here recently about a book being written on the case - turns out he'd been interviewed by the author - Officer Steve Italian-last-name.


/csb
 
2012-06-16 04:27:01 AM  

ialdabaoth: Bucky Katt: Stop trying to drag logic into this. All criminals are scum and should be in jail forever.

The solution here is to make jail pay for itself.


Why leave it at that? Make them profit centers for the State. Guarantee the State and the contractors are guaranteed to double their money for the cost of housing an inmate.

It's a win-win situation, and everyone gets a share!
 
2012-06-16 04:29:35 AM  

"the 70's" what, Smitty?


i.imgur.com

img707.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-16 04:29:59 AM  

relcec: I care about assholes acting like kidnapping 27 kids and stuffing them in a hole in the ground* doesn't hurt anyone and that this is just a stupid stunt instead of a pretty god damn f*cking significant breach of social etiquette that could very well result in the rest of us very reasonably deciding to never let your ass out to play with normal people again.


He served 36 years. And you need to go to bed.
 
2012-06-16 04:31:08 AM  
I remember this case. The kidnappers were three 20-something sons of wealthy families who had gotten themselves into a bit of debt. When the hostages escaped before they could call in their ransom demand (the police phone lines were tied up by all of the calls from the victims' family members and the media), two of the kidnappers tried to run for it, while this guy told his parents.

Link
 
2012-06-16 04:31:28 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: "the 70's" what, Smitty?


[i.imgur.com image 600x331]

[img707.imageshack.us image 199x239]


Heh... I think Fark should just go ahead and add a button for that cartoon in the format bar
 
2012-06-16 04:36:52 AM  
So I gather someone made a large campaign contribution somewhere.
 
2012-06-16 04:37:31 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: I remember this case. The kidnappers were three 20-something sons of wealthy families who had gotten themselves into a bit of debt. When the hostages escaped before they could call in their ransom demand (the police phone lines were tied up by all of the calls from the victims' family members and the media), two of the kidnappers tried to run for it, while this guy told his parents.

Link


This part of that site describes the psychological trauma on the children.

Link
 
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