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(The New Yorker)   Wine snobs are full of shiat: blind taste test shows the French likes of Clos des Mouches and Château Mouton Rothschild are barely better than a Lavallette orange from New Jersey with its subtle notes of dead mafiosi, corruption and sulfur   (newyorker.com) divider line 210
    More: Obvious, New Jersey, blind taste test, Tyler Cowen, Lavallette, Bordeaux, Billy Beane, California's Napa Valley  
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2012-06-15 08:21:30 PM  
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2012-06-15 08:21:52 PM  
Whine?

I like Sangrias...

;)
 
2012-06-15 08:22:28 PM  
You don't buy wine; you buy the label.
 
2012-06-15 08:22:49 PM  
The French do make some terrible wine. But I think they used to call a lot of it table wine. And you drank it often, not minding the quality.

Sort of like box wines or bladder wines.
 
2012-06-15 08:23:44 PM  
JK.

Wine is deliciousness when paired with gud fud pear-ed-ly.

I like wine, but I don't like whine.

;)
 
2012-06-15 08:24:08 PM  
Krunch Kretschmar is amused by these shenanigans.
 
2012-06-15 08:24:34 PM  
In the European Union wine regulations, table wine (TW) is the lower of two overall quality categories, the higher of which is Quality Wines Produced in Specified Regions (QWPSR). All levels of national wine classification systems within the EU correspond to either TW or the QWPSR, although the terms that actually appear on wine labels are defined by national wine laws with the EU regulations as a framework.

Oh I AM good.
 
2012-06-15 08:24:47 PM  
Just like all beer tastes the same.
 
2012-06-15 08:25:03 PM  
Another wine/cannibalism thread in one day?
 
2012-06-15 08:25:32 PM  
So they are basically like audiophiles?
Good to know.

I hate wine anyway, all of it tastes God awful.
 
2012-06-15 08:27:14 PM  
Hell anything with alcohol in it tastes godawful to me.

/not a drinker.
 
2012-06-15 08:27:18 PM  
I literally just bought a bottle from Stag's Leap. Weird.
 
2012-06-15 08:28:00 PM  

ruinevil: Another wine/cannibalism thread in one day?


Yeah, why not? Just pass the fava beans.
 
2012-06-15 08:29:07 PM  

Fabric_Man: You don't buy wine; you buy the label.


So.. like buying an Apple product vs anything else then.

/getting the fark out of here
 
2012-06-15 08:29:15 PM  
Before we all start talking shiat about wine snobs, are beer snobs any better these days?
 
2012-06-15 08:30:30 PM  
I've had wine of vastly different quality. I had a $100 bottle of French wine that was horrible (though a friend of mine swore it was the best he had ever had) and a $70 bottle that possibly the best tasting beverage I have ever sampled. I had a second bottle of the $70 dollar stuff and noted that it now sells for $300. Yay me.
 
2012-06-15 08:31:25 PM  
subtle notes of dead mafiosi, corruption and sulfur

Also hints of spray tan and hair gel.
 
2012-06-15 08:32:05 PM  

I Love Rooster: Just like all beer tastes the same.


No they don't...Corona smells and tastes like skunk spray. And thats how I likes it. Mmmmm skunky. Heehee
 
2012-06-15 08:34:03 PM  
who found that almost of all the wines were "statistically undistinguishable" from each other.

Did you mean: indistinguishable?
 
2012-06-15 08:34:11 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Before we all start talking shiat about wine snobs, are beer snobs any better these days?


Depends on the snob really. Most are just pretentious douche bags.
 
2012-06-15 08:34:48 PM  
I gave it a shot, but I could never really get into wine as far as some thing to really pick apart and get down to the taste and smell of all different brands. Instead, I just figured out what major types of wine I like and got for the best value. While I really never got more out of higher priced stuff, there is some rot gut stuff out there to stay away from, but otherwise there's some pretty decent wine out there for not too much money.
 
2012-06-15 08:35:31 PM  
Freakonomics did a fascinating segment on wine tasting on their podcast awhile back.

IIRC the best wines in a blind taste test came in around the $15 mark.
 
2012-06-15 08:36:58 PM  
As with all these types of threads, my advice is to not confuse "connoisseur" with "snob." They are different, and mean different things. Please keep this in mind.

OK, you may now resume your regularly scheduled thread.
 
2012-06-15 08:37:22 PM  

cyberspacedout: ruinevil: Another wine/cannibalism thread in one day?

Yeah, why not? Just pass the fava beans.


Pass the DAD beans? Wait, I'm sorry. I misread that. You said FAVA beans, not FATHA beans. My apologies.
 
2012-06-15 08:37:37 PM  
What can we learn from these tests? First, that tasting wine is really hard, even for experts.

That the notion of educated and refined palates for wine-tasting is pretty much a farce?
 
2012-06-15 08:38:16 PM  
www.morellismarket.com

Serve over ice... goes great with hot dogs.
 
2012-06-15 08:38:49 PM  

fusillade762: who found that almost of all the wines were "statistically undistinguishable" from each other.

Did you mean: indistinguishable?


He suddenly wished he did, no?

Heh.

;)
 
2012-06-15 08:41:02 PM  
Bottomline: Beer and Wine are good for humans in moderation, tempered with respect for the Earth.

Yotally.

;)
 
2012-06-15 08:41:53 PM  
Stag's leap is damn fine wine.
 
2012-06-15 08:42:20 PM  
images.zap2it.com

Approves.
 
2012-06-15 08:42:23 PM  
TomD9938,
Serve over ice... goes great with hot dogs.


Blends piss me off. I can handle white, I can handle red, blushes are this sweet shiat that short of boones farm.

/Now excuse me while I enjoy my $3.00 bottle of cabernet sauvignon.
 
2012-06-15 08:43:06 PM  

Bruxellensis: As with all these types of threads, my advice is to not confuse "connoisseur" with "snob." They are different, and mean different things. Please keep this in mind.

OK, you may now resume your regularly scheduled thread.


Duly noted and respected. Thread resumption activated.
 
2012-06-15 08:43:52 PM  
Bleak house By Charls Dickens :

As much mud in the streets as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill. Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle, with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes--gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun. Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers.

But it's Brit-speak
 
2012-06-15 08:44:09 PM  
I so enjoy posting links to this and all the other blind tastings that show the wine industry is complete BS to the wannabe wine snobs on salon or the huffpo. Not that it ever changes their way of thinking at all, but I do enjoy it.
 
2012-06-15 08:44:36 PM  

Enemabag Jones: TomD9938,
Serve over ice... goes great with hot dogs.

Blends piss me off. I can handle white, I can handle red, blushes are this sweet shiat that short of boones farm.

/Now excuse me while I enjoy my $3.00 bottle of cabernet sauvignon.


What's more of a blend than a hot dog?
 
2012-06-15 08:46:02 PM  
I work in the wine industry.

This is an open secret. The reason people are willing to pay $1,000 for a bottle of Latour (in a "bad year." Latour in a "good year" is really, really expensive.) is basically because "the book says that Latour is one of the best, so the best are costly." Latour has history, they have a beautiful chateau... but I can't drink those. The reason a Bordeaux blend from New Jersey barely sells for $35 is because nobody thinks of New Jersey when they think of wine. I mean... it's freakin' Jersey!

The secret to finding a good wine for not a ton of money -- look for where people are looking at for good wine (France, Napa, etc). Eliminate those. Then look at what's left. Ask "what areas among those that are left grow lots of the type of wine I'm looking for?" and keep those. Then buy within your budget from what's left. That results in you buying sparkling wines from South Africa (Graham Beck at $17 trumps Veuve Cliquot at $40 IMNSHO), red blends from Argentina (Flichman Dedicado FTW at under $30!), Aussie Chardonnay from Padathaway, etc.
 
2012-06-15 08:46:21 PM  

sid2112: [images.zap2it.com image 432x288]

Approves.


HAHAHA! Thank you....forgot all about the Merlot.
 
2012-06-15 08:46:54 PM  
drank these last night -- happy birthday to me.

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yeah, i can taste the difference.
 
2012-06-15 08:49:06 PM  
I have wines I definitely like more than others. The average price per bottle - area you ready? $10. And it varies from producer to producer year after year. Maybe the grapes weren't stressed enough, maybe the soil nutrients were a tad on the depleted side. For example Chilean wines of the 2008 to 2010 vintage rock.

And it's interesting but wine isn't really something you just drink. It goes with food. Really salty dishes comprised of chicken or fish you can't go wrong with Pinot Grigio.

For meaty dishes of pork or beef, especially those with tomato based sauces you cannot beat a Chianti.
 
2012-06-15 08:50:54 PM  
Black Stump Bordeaux is rightly praised as a peppermint flavored Burgundy, whilst a good Sydney Syrup can rank with any of the world's best sugary wines.
 
2012-06-15 08:51:31 PM  

kd1s: I have wines I definitely like more than others. The average price per bottle - area you ready? $10. And it varies from producer to producer year after year. Maybe the grapes weren't stressed enough, maybe the soil nutrients were a tad on the depleted side. For example Chilean wines of the 2008 to 2010 vintage rock.

And it's interesting but wine isn't really something you just drink. It goes with food. Really salty dishes comprised of chicken or fish you can't go wrong with Pinot Grigio.

For meaty dishes of pork or beef, especially those with tomato based sauces you cannot beat a Chianti.


Only thing wrong with your post is that like all the 'experts', if I put a blindfold on you, you wouldn't be able to tell red from white.
 
2012-06-15 08:51:40 PM  
Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious
 
2012-06-15 08:53:20 PM  
This is why I buy the super cheap locally produced vodka. It's as good or better than the stuff that costs twice as much. I mean it's just alcohol and water, dammit.
 
2012-06-15 08:54:00 PM  

Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious


Oh you mean like a Fark troll?

/I keed
 
2012-06-15 08:59:48 PM  
I'm an admitted beer and wine snob. I've had wines I loved for less than $10. I've had $40 wines I hated. That said, on average I find the $15-$25 a lot better than the $5-$12 range.
 
2012-06-15 09:00:27 PM  
France will be broke soon, might I suggest something in a brown paper bag.

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/Doc told my geriatric grandfather to drink a glass of wine a day. His cheap ass drank MD. His wallet never left The Depression.
 
2012-06-15 09:00:35 PM  

keithgabryelski: drank these last night -- happy birthday to me.


LOL COCKBURN!

/happy birthday
 
2012-06-15 09:02:03 PM  

sid2112: [images.zap2it.com image 432x288]

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Are that a hint of...ammonia?
 
2012-06-15 09:02:19 PM  
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Its extremely adequate.

And cost effective.
 
2012-06-15 09:03:13 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Before we all start talking shiat about wine snobs, are beer snobs any better these days?


Beer snobs are clearly better in every way.
 
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