fusillade762: Welcome to Obama's America, libs.

*looks at profile*

My Political Views
I am a left social libertarian

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bhcompy: I spend some time unemployed recently. One thing I noticed after talking to other unemployed both locally and here on Fark(most of them recent grads who couldn't find work) is that many of these people refuse to realize that opportunities move around the country as business conditions change. There are natural gas/oil booms in places like Montana and Colorado. These require all kinds of professions to keep running, but that 23 year old graduate is more worried about losing his local amenities than spending a few years actually working and building a resume. It's like some bastardized entitlement complex. These people obviously didn't pay attention in macroeconomics

I dropped everything and moved twelve hours away the moment the perfect job came up in my career field. I do not care that I moved since I am making good money and enjoying what I do now!

1. Warsaw, Poland
2. Rome
3. Nairobi, Kenya
4. Santa Monica CA (Wanted to work for Hollywood studios with a degree in communications)
5. Rome
6. Algiers
7. Athens
8. Zagreb, Croatia
9. Nairobi, Kenya
10. Durban, South Africa
11. Bosnia & Herzegovina
12. Santa Monica, CA
13. Egypt
14. Santa Monica, CA (Plans to go to Mexico to finish his law degree)
15. Egypt
16. Spain
17. Sarajevo


Based on this what I can tell is that you should live in the US, just not in Santa Monica. Santa Monica has a worse job market than Detroit.

#12 should state she has a degree in Business Management with a secondary major in Painting.

GriffXX: fusillade762: Welcome to Obama's America, libs.

*looks at profile*

My Political Views
I am a left social libertarian

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It is only confusing if you think that Obama is anything other than a center-right conservative who does whatever his lobbyist/corporate overlords demand. The GOP and the Teabaggers are so far to the right that that Obama may appear to be radical. But he is not a liberal, he is not a social libertarian, and he is by no means a socialist. Those combinations of words might confuse ignorant people.

fusillade762: Welcome to Obama's America, libtards.

More true to form.

Lanctwa: 1. Warsaw, Poland
2. Rome
3. Nairobi, Kenya
4. Santa Monica CA (Wanted to work for Hollywood studios with a degree in communications)
5. Rome
6. Algiers
7. Athens
8. Zagreb, Croatia
9. Nairobi, Kenya
10. Durban, South Africa
11. Bosnia & Herzegovina
12. Santa Monica, CA
13. Egypt
14. Santa Monica, CA (Plans to go to Mexico to finish his law degree)
15. Egypt
16. Spain
17. Sarajevo


Based on this what I can tell is that you should live in the US, just not in Santa Monica. Santa Monica has a worse job market than Detroit.

#12 should state she has a degree in Business Management with a secondary major in Painting.

They couldnt have done the entire list in the USA, really? I could give a flying fark about Egypt job market right now. You know what, fark you Atlantic.

Maybe the lesson would be....DON'T kid yourself that your four year degree is
going to guarantee you a job...if you don't seek out a guidance counselor before
you plunge yourself into 100,000.00 of debt. In 1976, I told my HS counselor what I wanted to do...something in electronics. He told me where I could get an associate degree in electronics to start and that with computers starting to come along, that the future was bright for that career path. Since I got out of HS & college, I have been gainfully employed ever since. It's a choice where you want to go to school, but it's the economy & the market that have the jobs.
Plus, everyone makes a big deal about "big oil", "big pharma" etc....how come we never complain about "big school"? Professors making 300-500 thousand a year, teaching 1-2 classes per day, if that, college sports coaches making multimillion dollar salaries, sports stadiums with plush accommodations, new
expensive buildings all over campus, "fees" increasing every time you turn around and no one bats an eye about "big school".

My sister and her husband are civil engineers. Both gainfully employed.

I always knew how hard civil engineering as much of those jobs are public sector or private sector in support of public sector....same with Aerospace engineering. But once you start getting the networks and engineering experience, the work becomes easier to obtain.

I went into IT though. Never had a problem finding work.

No. 12 gets my vote.

4 years at Cabrillo, a community college (albeit a fairly decent one), with likely an AA (if that) in communications? And working in service?
You don't say.

That wouldn't have been shocking 15 years ago.

Biased photoessay is a bit biased.

For decades (centuries, I would assume), people have graduated from various programs and not found "career" level jobs immediately. It's hardly new and hardly unexpected. Sometimes it's just a matter of time. Other times it's a matter of geography. Usually it's a matter of managing expectations (i.e. certain degrees are excellent for the knowledge and critical thinking skills they provide, but don't directly relate to jobs available in a particular field). And in other cases, it's simply related to the fact that nobody wants to hire the bottom of the class if they don't have to.

Regardless, as others have mentioned, a degree doesn't grant you an automatic ticket to a career in your ideal line of work. Why is this surprising or upsetting to some people and why is it worthy of a photo essay?

I graduated in '93 with a B.Ap.Sc. in Electrical Engineering. Couldn't get a job in my field right away. I spent 2 years working at a mattress recycling factory and lumber mill. Then I got an entry-level software engineering job. Worked for slave wages in order to get the experience. Worked my ass off and "climbed the corporate ladder". Now I pull in six figures and I work from home. Been all over the world and seen many amazing things and met many amazing people.

My point? I've been drinking bourbon all night.

Nabb1: Walker: Tania Leon, a 29 year-old stewardess, inside a bus in Santiago de Compostela, Spain, on May 9, 2011

In other news buses have stewardesses.

Years ago, my brother and I backpacked around Europe, and we took a bus ride from London to Edinburgh. The bus had a little steward, a polite older man, who pushed around a little cart selling tea and small sandwiches. It was actually rather nice, far better than any experience I've ever had going Greyhound in the US.

National Express?

bhcompy: I spend some time unemployed recently. One thing I noticed after talking to other unemployed both locally and here on Fark(most of them recent grads who couldn't find work) is that many of these people refuse to realize that opportunities move around the country as business conditions change. There are natural gas/oil booms in places like Montana and Colorado. These require all kinds of professions to keep running, but that 23 year old graduate is more worried about losing his local amenities than spending a few years actually working and building a resume. It's like some bastardized entitlement complex. These people obviously didn't pay attention in macroeconomics

It's sometimes known as wanting to see your family on a day other than Thanksgiving. It's sometimes known as not wanting to move hundreds of miles from your spouse, who is gainfully employed/finishing her degree/seven months pregnant. As for the boom? Combine the amenities of West Cowtip, North Dakota, the rents of Manhattan and a murder rate like Chicago's. (15.2/100k in Chicago, 14.7/100k in Williston) There's a lot to say for $9/hour in Crappy College Town compared to that.

I have an arts degree and an unrelated menial seasonal job I despise.


pays 40 bucks an hour so not complainin.

Yamaneko2: It's sometimes known as wanting to see your family on a day other than Thanksgiving. It's sometimes known as not wanting to move hundreds of miles from your spouse, who is gainfully employed/finishing her degree/seven months pregnant.

As a rabid right-winger I have to agree that this is where all too many supposed conservatives lose the plot, in suggesting that families and even whole long- standing communities be uprooted for the sake of labour mobility... we are human beings with spiritual needs and we have to be rooted in something lasting for the sake of our sanity; we are not just interchangeable economic widgets to be blown to and fro across the globe as the markets demand. Globalization is the threat to traditional connectedness and social cohesion from the Right, just as mass immigration and multiculturalism are the threat to these very same things from the Left.

Photographers capture recent college grads who couldn't land careers have jobs so should STFU.

/FIF the millions without clean water to drink.

Makh: Just because a job is in high demand, doesn't always mean it is in your area.

And doesn't mean you can get it with a fresh degree when someone with 5 years experience will take it for the same salary. Why would you take the recent grad?

And taking a menial job to pay the bills for any length of time kills your CV. No-one is going to take the guy with street sweeping experience over someone who had a adjunct teaching job.

bhcompy: I spend some time unemployed recently. One thing I noticed after talking to other unemployed both locally and here on Fark(most of them recent grads who couldn't find work) is that many of these people refuse to realize that opportunities move around the country as business conditions change. There are natural gas/oil booms in places like Montana and Colorado. These require all kinds of professions to keep running, but that 23 year old graduate is more worried about losing his local amenities than spending a few years actually working and building a resume. It's like some bastardized entitlement complex. These people obviously didn't pay attention in macroeconomics

I moved 3000 miles for a permanent position. It lasted 4 months - then I was stuck. Fortunately for me I already knew people in this town. I can see people not wanting to take that risk when they don't know anyone.

...Plus, everyone makes a big deal about "big oil", "big pharma" etc....how come we never complain about "big school"? Professors making 300-500 thousand a year, teaching 1-2 classes per day, if that,...

I want what you are smoking!
Profs don't make 300-500K/year. The university president doesn't make 500K/year.
Profs positions entail things besides teaching. Those that only teach 1-2 classes per day can be funded by their research grants. Also teaching 2 classes per day is 4 classes per semester. That is a full load as class time is the smallest time use when teaching. There is also lecture prep (~2 hours for every 1 hour of lecture) grading, making tests, quizzes and worksheets, and helping students who bother to come to their office with their homework. Saying teachers do't work because the only teach 2 classes per day is like saying managers at stores don't work because they are only behind the cash register a few hours per day.

my herniated disc: I have an arts degree and an unrelated menial seasonal job I despise.


pays 40 bucks an hour so not complainin.


is it the nba-all-star-weekend again already?
where does the f*cking time go!

I'm not sure I understand this recent trend of people thinking the only reason you should go to college is if you are going to get a degree in a highly employable field.

Is money really the only reason many of you think you should go to college? Not to pursue a field you truly enjoy, or something you find personally fulfilling?

Have we become a country where the only thing of value is money?

bhcompy: One thing I noticed

I am constantly suggesting to people I know who are hard up to go for jobs in other cities, and they don't want to move. Oh, and I'm talking about people under 30 with no kids or spouse. Weird. No one seems to get married under 35 anymore either, come to think of it.

orclover:

#12 should state she has a degree in Business Management with a secondary major in Painting.

They couldnt have done the entire list in the USA, really? I could give a flying fark about Egypt job market right now. You know what, fark you Atlantic.

Because nobody outside the US has internet? Holy shiat.

downpaymentblues: I'm not sure I understand this recent trend of people thinking the only reason you should go to college is if you are going to get a degree in a highly employable field.

Is money really the only reason many of you think you should go to college? Not to pursue a field you truly enjoy, or something you find personally fulfilling?

Have we become a country where the only thing of value is money?

If you really just want to learn something these days, you don't need college.
At least that's what I read on Wikipedia.

Bar manager is a menial job?

All of these look like respectable jobs to most people.

/ lots of socialist countries on this list. go figure.

Yamaneko2: As for the boom? Combine the amenities of West Cowtip, North Dakota, the rents of Manhattan and a murder rate like Chicago's. (15.2/100k in Chicago, 14.7/100k in Williston)

In a town the size of Williston that worked out to be a grand total of 2 murders in 2010. Since the only other year they had a murder in Williston was 2003, when they had 1, I guess you could say they doubled in 7 years, but that would make you look stupid.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Still has a crime index lower than the national average.

Baldi studied for five years at university in Pisa where she received a degree and a doctorate in literature and philosophy. Five years to do a degree and a doctorate at Pisa? That's not Bologna-compliant.

Mazza studied for five years at Ball State University where she received a degree in painting and business management. She hoped to find a job as an artist... A job as an artist? What happened to "creating art and selling it to customers"?

Dzafic studied for four years at Sarajevo University where he received a degree in civil engineering. For the last four years he has tried to find a job in art restoration... It would be interesting to know why he has spent so long trying to find a job in a specialist area for which it seems he has no qualifications.

downpaymentblues: I'm not sure I understand this recent trend of people thinking the only reason you should go to college is if you are going to get a degree in a highly employable field.

Is money really the only reason many of you think you should go to college? Not to pursue a field you truly enjoy, or something you find personally fulfilling?

Have we become a country where the only thing of value is money?

No, we have become a country where everything of value costs MORE money.

wallywam1: Subby thinks that civil engineering is real engineering.

At least in Florida, they charge real money.

/not subby

"Andrews studied for four and a half years at Cabrillo College where he received a degree in communications."

Yea, sorry brah. But when you go to a college that I hear commercials for on the radio, and when UC Santa Cruz is down the street, and when you get a comm degree, yea.... you're gonna end up making my fries. NTTAWWT.

//unless you screw up my order. god help you.

Barbecue Bob: Photographers capture recent college grads who couldn't land careers have jobs so should STFU.

/FIF the millions without clean water to drink.

NotARocketScientist: There is also lecture prep (~2 hours for every 1 hour of lecture)

...for the first year, rapidly decreasing to absofarkinglutely zero by about year....oh....two.

The world needs hookers too.

coco ebert: p51d007: Maybe the lesson would be....DON'T kid yourself that your four year degree is
going to guarantee you a job...if you don't seek out a guidance counselor before
you plunge yourself into 100,000.00 of debt. In 1976, I told my HS counselor what I wanted to do...something in electronics. He told me where I could get an associate degree in electronics to start and that with computers starting to come along, that the future was bright for that career path. Since I got out of HS & college, I have been gainfully employed ever since. It's a choice where you want to go to school, but it's the economy & the market that have the jobs.
Plus, everyone makes a big deal about "big oil", "big pharma" etc....how come we never complain about "big school"? Professors making 300-500 thousand a year, teaching 1-2 classes per day, if that, college sports coaches making multimillion dollar salaries, sports stadiums with plush accommodations, new
expensive buildings all over campus, "fees" increasing every time you turn around and no one bats an eye about "big school".

I'm in academia, and I don't know of any professor making 300-500 thousand a year. my mother was a prof and the head of an MBA program at a private uni and never made more than 140K. What the hell are you talking about?

Engineering professors can consult in addition to their tenured positions. It's one of the perks of being a professor: You don't have to worry as much about conflict of interest since universities don't compete in the marketplace. I know plenty of faculty who have side businesses, corporations and hobby businesses. And they do pretty well on top of the $140k salary that you mentioned.

I think that they can also take a cut of research dollars that they bring in. But if you look at their publicly viewable salaries, the number only reflects their state salaries (for a state uni).

I've worked with numerous faculty who pull in $200k/year. And I know of at least one who is rumored to bring in close to seven figures-- again mostly through very specialized consulting and business ventures. So faculty can make $300k to $500k per year. But it's inaccurate in that much of it is not paid by the university.

Maybe it's not as common outside engineering and science fields...

/Was an engineer in academia.

ongbok: What Plants Crave: I have a friend who, like number 4, has a degree in communications. A Phd in communications.

What does he do? He is a professor, teaching communications.

...

What is communications? The meaning of the word is clear enough, but how it applies to a career (outside of academia), I have no idea.

My little brother's ex girlfriend has a degree in communications, and now 5 tears out of college she is making 65k as a recruiter for a major company, so go figure. The crazy part about it is that she isn't very smart, she is a straight airhead. It really does help to be a good looking female.

I was already starting to type "because boobs" before I got to the end of your post. Yes, young women have some disadvantages in the world, but getting hired for office jobs by married 52-year-old white guys isn't one of them.