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(Talking Points Memo)   President Obama caves to the GOP again, directs DHS to implement Sen. Rubio's alternate DREAM act. This is bad news...for Mitt Romney   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 412
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2012-06-15 11:03:52 AM
This puts Rmoney in an impossible position, since he's been stalling for time to find a way to quietly reject Rubio's plan.

Now, he can't embrace Rubio's idea without supporting the WH too, and if he rejects it (which he will), he may as well shut that poorly made LAtino outreach site down, because it'll be game over on that front.
 
2012-06-15 11:07:49 AM
The policy will apply to immigrants younger than 30 who arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16, have been in the country at least five years, have no criminal history and graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military.

OH GOD THE HORROR
 
2012-06-15 11:08:52 AM
Until Obama moves the immigration policy from deporting illegals to focusing on human trafficking from gangs, I wont ever like what his policy is.
 
2012-06-15 11:09:34 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The policy will apply to immigrants younger than 30 who arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16, have been in the country at least five years, have no criminal history and graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military.

OH GOD THE HORROR


So, basically, this turns law-abiding folks into legit taxpayers.

HA! Obama raised taxes on someone and Norquist never saw it coming! Quick, to the Grovermobile!!
 
2012-06-15 11:13:34 AM
I'm sure the GOP will support and defend this action just as much as they did religious institutions' insurance plans providing BC. Right? Link
 
2012-06-15 11:14:35 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cameroncrazy1984: The policy will apply to immigrants younger than 30 who arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16, have been in the country at least five years, have no criminal history and graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military.

OH GOD THE HORROR

So, basically, this turns law-abiding folks into legit taxpayers.

HA! Obama raised taxes on someone and Norquist never saw it coming! Quick, to the Grovermobile!!


Was that someone filthy rich? No?

Well then Norquist doesn't give a shiat. He only cares about the taxes the "job creators" might have to pay.
 
2012-06-15 11:15:16 AM
Suddenly, I like this Obama character a little more than I did yesterday.
 
2012-06-15 11:19:49 AM
Wow. Obama really IS the new Reagan.
 
2012-06-15 11:26:16 AM
A hunch: prepare yourself for a deluge of condemnations of executive-branch overreach, paired with real reluctance to say anything meaningful about what the directive actually accomplishes. Link
 
2012-06-15 11:28:54 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: A hunch: prepare yourself for a deluge of condemnations of executive-branch overreach, paired with real reluctance to say anything meaningful about what the directive actually accomplishes. Link


and it gets dropped right as Romney-bot was kicking off a bus tour to experience how the unwashed masses live.
 
2012-06-15 11:31:20 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: A hunch: prepare yourself for a deluge of condemnations of executive-branch overreach, paired with real reluctance to say anything meaningful about what the directive actually accomplishes. Link


You're an hour too late on that prediction:

"President Obama's decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants is a breach of faith with the American people. It also blatantly ignores the rule of law that is the foundation of our democracy. This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama's oath to uphold the laws of this land."

-Lamar Smith (R-TX)
 
2012-06-15 11:33:01 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-15 11:33:29 AM

palladiate: Dusk-You-n-Me: A hunch: prepare yourself for a deluge of condemnations of executive-branch overreach, paired with real reluctance to say anything meaningful about what the directive actually accomplishes. Link

You're an hour too late on that prediction:

"President Obama's decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants is a breach of faith with the American people. It also blatantly ignores the rule of law that is the foundation of our democracy. This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama's oath to uphold the laws of this land."

-Lamar Smith (R-TX)


Yet douchebag Lamar never criticized Bush/McCain for proposing the same thing, nor Rubio.
 
2012-06-15 11:34:49 AM

cman: Until Obama moves the immigration policy from deporting illegals to focusing on human trafficking from gangs, I wont ever like what his policy is.


So, until now?
 
2012-06-15 12:11:47 PM

palladiate: You're an hour too late on that prediction:

"President Obama's decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants is a breach of faith with the American people. It also blatantly ignores the rule of law that is the foundation of our democracy. This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama's oath to uphold the laws of this land."

-Lamar Smith (R-TX)


Limbaugh is describing this as "Obama using his dictatorial powers to grant amnesty to illegals".
 
2012-06-15 12:16:29 PM

LOL@ Drudge:

t1.gstatic.com
WHO NEEDS CONGRESS: OBAMA TO GRANT IMMUNITY TO YOUNG ILLEGALS


The only thing that could complete this would be playing a looping 8-bit midi version of "La Cucaracha".
 
2012-06-15 12:17:38 PM
Interesting. Limbaugh just made a dismissive sideswipe of Rubio, and is now toting Jindal as the "incarnation of Reagan".

Very interesting.
 
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2012-06-15 12:19:19 PM

gilgigamesh: palladiate: You're an hour too late on that prediction:

"President Obama's decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants is a breach of faith with the American people. It also blatantly ignores the rule of law that is the foundation of our democracy. This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama's oath to uphold the laws of this land."

-Lamar Smith (R-TX)

Limbaugh is describing this as "Obama using his dictatorial powers to grant amnesty to illegals".


Yes, it looks like that will be the spin. Never mind that both Bushes and Regan granted temporary protected status for various groups.
 
2012-06-15 12:19:51 PM

gilgigamesh: palladiate: You're an hour too late on that prediction:

"President Obama's decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants is a breach of faith with the American people. It also blatantly ignores the rule of law that is the foundation of our democracy. This huge policy shift has horrible consequences for unemployed Americans looking for jobs and violates President Obama's oath to uphold the laws of this land."

-Lamar Smith (R-TX)

Limbaugh is describing this as "Obama using his dictatorial powers to grant amnesty to illegals".


I assume he means the same dictatorial powers that the constitution grants any POTUS?
 
2012-06-15 12:20:37 PM

gilgigamesh: Interesting. Limbaugh just made a dismissive sideswipe of Rubio, and is now toting Jindal as the "incarnation of Reagan".

Very interesting.


I bet that by the end of the day, they start partly blaming Rubio for the whole thing, especially when it kills GOP's hopes with Latinos.
 
2012-06-15 12:22:29 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: gilgigamesh: Interesting. Limbaugh just made a dismissive sideswipe of Rubio, and is now toting Jindal as the "incarnation of Reagan".

Very interesting.

I bet that by the end of the day, they start partly blaming Rubio for the whole thing, especially when it kills GOP's hopes with Latinos.


That's what I am thinking. Rubio is going under the bus. I think that's Obama's plan; to get him off the short list for VP.
 
2012-06-15 12:27:15 PM

gilgigamesh: Grand_Moff_Joseph: gilgigamesh: Interesting. Limbaugh just made a dismissive sideswipe of Rubio, and is now toting Jindal as the "incarnation of Reagan".

Very interesting.

I bet that by the end of the day, they start partly blaming Rubio for the whole thing, especially when it kills GOP's hopes with Latinos.

That's what I am thinking. Rubio is going under the bus. I think that's Obama's plan; to get him off the short list for VP.


Yep. not only does it take Rubio out of VP discussions, but it totally boxes Romney (and by extension the GOP echo chamber) in on the issue. Now their only choices are embrace a WH move that was originally sponsored by a GOPer, or immolate themselves in front of the Latino voting base in the hopes of appeasing their teabagging overlords.
 
2012-06-15 12:27:58 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: I'm sure the GOP will support and defend this action just as much as they did religious institutions' insurance plans providing BC. Right? Link


The Bishops want the DREAM act, but not Rubio's version of it. Link
 
2012-06-15 12:36:32 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph:
Yep. not only does it take Rubio out of VP discussions, but it totally boxes Romney (and by extension the GOP echo chamber) in on the issue. Now their only choices are embrace a WH move that was originally sponsored by a GOPer, or immolate themselves in front of the Latino voting base in the hopes of appeasing their teabagging overlords.


It is very clever, and the kind of play that still makes me think Romney is going to have a very difficult uphill battle regardless of our fairly dire economic circumstances.

I am thinking independent non Latino voters are split on this and don't know what they want, so there will be no net gain or loss for them. But the inevitably reflexive xenophobia this move will generate on the right will send Latinos running at flank speed away from the GOP.
 
2012-06-15 12:37:14 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: This puts Rmoney in an impossible position, since he's been stalling for time to find a way to quietly reject Rubio's plan.

Now, he can't embrace Rubio's idea without supporting the WH too, and if he rejects it (which he will), he may as well shut that poorly made LAtino outreach site down, because it'll be game over on that front.


He could reject this plan, come out strongly in favor of LEGAL immigrants, garner their favor for doing it right, going the hard but fair route, and still be able to crack down harder on illegals later, were he to be elected.
 
2012-06-15 12:37:49 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: gilgigamesh: Grand_Moff_Joseph: gilgigamesh: Interesting. Limbaugh just made a dismissive sideswipe of Rubio, and is now toting Jindal as the "incarnation of Reagan".

Very interesting.

I bet that by the end of the day, they start partly blaming Rubio for the whole thing, especially when it kills GOP's hopes with Latinos.

That's what I am thinking. Rubio is going under the bus. I think that's Obama's plan; to get him off the short list for VP.

Yep. not only does it take Rubio out of VP discussions, but it totally boxes Romney (and by extension the GOP echo chamber) in on the issue. Now their only choices are embrace a WH move that was originally sponsored by a GOPer, or immolate themselves in front of the Latino voting base in the hopes of appeasing their teabagging overlords.


I doubt very much the GOP-tards ever cared about the Latino vote, so I'm
sure Romney will decry this as SOZHULIZM!
 
2012-06-15 12:38:24 PM
President Obama will probably speak about this policy change Friday, 22 June at the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials' annual conference in Orlando.

Romney speaks at that conference on Thursday, 21 June. I sincerely believe Romney's sails will have no wind there that day.
 
2012-06-15 12:39:24 PM
Via CNN, some cold hard facts on immigration:

Below are a few facts about immigration in the United States:

- The number of illegal immigrants in the United States was estimated at 11.5 million in 2011, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

- The illegal immigrant population grew by 27% between 2000 and 2009, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

- Sixty-three percent of the illegal immigrant population (approximately 6.8 million) entered the United States before 2000. (DHS)

- Fifty-eight percent of the illegal immigrant population is from Mexico. (Pew)

- Twenty-four percent of illegal immigrants reside in California; 16% reside in Texas. (DHS)

And here are recent developments relating to immigration in the United States:

- 2008: The Department of Homeland Security apprehended 792,000 foreign nationals. Eighty-eight percent of those arrested were natives of Mexico. Immigration and Customs Enforcement apprehended 379,000 people. (DHS)

- 2008: The Department of Homeland Security removed 359,000 illegal immigrants from the United States. Of those, 69% were repatriated to Mexico; 8% were repatriated to Honduras; 7.7% were repatriated to Guatemala. (DHS)

- 2008: More than 810,000 illegal immigrants accepted offers to return to their home countries without being forcibly removed. (DHS)

- 2008: The Department of Homeland Security removed 97,100 criminals who were also illegal immigrants. Of those, 36% had been convicted of drug-related crimes. (DHS)

- 2009: The number of children born to at least one unauthorized-immigrant parent was 350,000. These made up 8% of all U.S. births. (Pew)

- 2010: The total number of unauthorized immigrants in the nation's labor force in United States is 8 million. They made up 5.2% of the labor force in 2010. (Pew)

- 2010: About 1.04 million people received legal permanent resident status. Of those, 139,120 were born in Mexico, 70,863 were born in China, and 58,173 were born in the Philippines (DHS).

- 2011: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement removed 396,906 illegal immigrants from the United States, the largest number in the agency's history. Of those, 216,698 (nearly 55%) had been convicted of felonies or misdemeanors. (ICE)

- April 23, 2012: The Pew Hispanic Center announced that net migration from Mexico to the United States had stopped and possibly even reversed. The center noted that from 2005 to 2010, about 1.4 million Mexicans immigrated to the United States, and about 1.4 million Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children moved from the United States to Mexico.
 
2012-06-15 12:39:52 PM
I was already for this, but if this helps get Jindal on the GOP ticket, then I might just cream my jeans.
 
2012-06-15 12:42:30 PM

RobertBruce: He could reject this plan, come out strongly in favor of LEGAL immigrants, garner their favor for doing it right, going the hard but fair route, and still be able to crack down harder on illegals later, were he to be elected.


You're ignoring some important practical realities here.

First, the Latino community is hopelessly intertwined with legal and illegal residents; often within the same family. What you are suggesting sounds reasonable to you, but to Latinos sounds like a giant wedge driving right down between friends, cousins, brothers and sisters, parents and children.

Second, you are underestimating the bigots on the right who are going to lose their shiat over this, and explode in a frenzy of xenophobia and racism that will remind Latinos why they tend to favor democrats in case they've forgotten.
 
2012-06-15 12:48:18 PM

gilgigamesh: Interesting. Limbaugh just made a dismissive sideswipe of Rubio, and is now toting Jindal as the "incarnation of Reagan".

Very interesting.


The actual Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants?

Or the Ronald Reagan (Peace Be Upon Him) caricature the right worships?
 
2012-06-15 12:49:27 PM

gilgigamesh: RobertBruce: He could reject this plan, come out strongly in favor of LEGAL immigrants, garner their favor for doing it right, going the hard but fair route, and still be able to crack down harder on illegals later, were he to be elected.

You're ignoring some important practical realities here.

First, the Latino community is hopelessly intertwined with legal and illegal residents; often within the same family. What you are suggesting sounds reasonable to you, but to Latinos sounds like a giant wedge driving right down between friends, cousins, brothers and sisters, parents and children.

Second, you are underestimating the bigots on the right who are going to lose their shiat over this, and explode in a frenzy of xenophobia and racism that will remind Latinos why they tend to favor democrats in case they've forgotten.


It also has a long term benefit of encouraging these young folks to work through the full citizenship process (which many of them were likely to do regardless). Once they do, they'll remember which party gave them a chance when its time to vote.

In fact, the long term benefits to this move are numerous:

1. Making them legal workers takes away a lot of potential cash-only labor for crooked business owners
2. As legal workers, they now pay income taxes on their wages; good for the Feds and state budgets
3. Even if they work hourly jobs, as legal workers, they can opt for insurance coverages, thus negating their need to use free care at ERs; saves healthcare dollars for everyone
 
2012-06-15 12:50:55 PM

keylock71: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x189]


I LOL'd.
 
2012-06-15 12:54:07 PM

bdub77: I LOL'd.


Don't LOL. It's a racist picture, depicting Obama as a black pawn.
 
2012-06-15 01:00:55 PM
Fox News Latino

cloudfront.mediamatters.org

vs

Fox Nation

cloudfront.mediamatters.org

Link
 
2012-06-15 01:02:31 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox News Latino

[cloudfront.mediamatters.org image 500x372]

vs

Fox Nation

[cloudfront.mediamatters.org image 500x348]

Link


Who wants to bet that Fox Nation doesn't even know Fox Latino exists?
 
2012-06-15 01:05:06 PM
I don't know why...but listening to the GOP shills whine about 'presidential abuse of power' just amuses me to no end.
 
2012-06-15 01:06:01 PM

Aarontology: Who wants to bet that Fox Nation doesn't even know Fox Latino exists?


I never heard of it... and it's got supportive article of course:
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-15 01:13:33 PM

hillbillypharmacist: I never heard of it... and it's got supportive article of course:


Heh.

It's amazing how Fox can play both sides of the coin like that.
 
2012-06-15 01:15:41 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: - April 23, 2012: The Pew Hispanic Center announced that net migration from Mexico to the United States had stopped and possibly even reversed. The center noted that from 2005 to 2010, about 1.4 million Mexicans immigrated to the United States, and about 1.4 million Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children moved from the United States to Mexico.


How sad is it that Mexico looks better than the US for low-income employment?
 
2012-06-15 01:17:58 PM
the freepers are having a meltdown today.

honestly - how does the GOP maintain such a high level of emotional intensity? they're offended by EVERYTHING Obama does - and not by a little bit either. oh no, they're ball to the wall, full on 'apocalypse is a'coming get with JESUS' levels of outrage. they do this *every* *day*. how do they avoid burnout?
 
2012-06-15 01:25:28 PM

Weaver95: the freepers are having a meltdown today.

honestly - how does the GOP maintain such a high level of emotional intensity? they're offended by EVERYTHING Obama does - and not by a little bit either. oh no, they're ball to the wall, full on 'apocalypse is a'coming get with JESUS' levels of outrage. they do this *every* *day*. how do they avoid burnout?


In fairness, they're going to pop early, so the problem could be self correcting if we just wait long enough, and keep beer and Frito-pies coming...
 
2012-06-15 01:29:31 PM
This is seriously a "give 'em enough rope" kind of situation, in my opinion. Enough unhinged reactions to galvanize reactions FOR you for a relatively simple act.
 
2012-06-15 01:32:19 PM
"How dare Obama follow a plan we proposed! How dare he!"

Weaver95: the freepers are having a meltdown today.


Heh... It has been a couple of weeks since the American public was reminded how unhinged these assholes are.

Going to fun watching Romney pander to the lunatics again.
 
2012-06-15 01:32:31 PM

Weaver95: the freepers are having a meltdown today.

honestly - how does the GOP maintain such a high level of emotional intensity? they're offended by EVERYTHING Obama does - and not by a little bit either. oh no, they're ball to the wall, full on 'apocalypse is a'coming get with JESUS' levels of outrage. they do this *every* *day*. how do they avoid burnout?


Maybe that's Obama's plan: make the GOP reactor go critical.
 
2012-06-15 01:35:15 PM

keylock71: Heh... It has been a couple of weeks since the American public was reminded how unhinged these assholes are.


So, the press says that "Obama's having a terrible month" and BOOM! he drops this on the GOP.

Obama's playing rope-a-dope with Romney.
 
2012-06-15 01:38:35 PM
OMG. He did something perfectly sensible and (gulp), kind. Fartbama is truly history's greatest monster.
 
2012-06-15 01:43:56 PM

Weaver95: honestly - how does the GOP maintain such a high level of emotional intensity? they're offended by EVERYTHING Obama does - and not by a little bit either. oh no, they're ball to the wall, full on 'apocalypse is a'coming get with JESUS' levels of outrage. they do this *every* *day*. how do they avoid burnout?


You'd be surprised how much energy meth can give you, and it helps make the slightly unhinged totally insane.

Its no coincidence meth use is highest (per capital) in rural areas, and that rural areas support the GOP.

/Former hillbilly farmer
 
2012-06-15 01:46:44 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Obama's playing rope-a-dope with Romney.


That's what I think, too. The contraceptive ruling, gay marriage and now this... I don't know. Strikes me as a concerted effort to get the unhinged howler monkeys in the GOP howling.

Romney's unfavorable number with independents is somewhere around 47%. Stuff like this forces Romney to pander to the GOP base, which doesn't exactly score him points with moderates and independents... Which is where this election is going to be won.
 
2012-06-15 01:52:42 PM

keylock71: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Obama's playing rope-a-dope with Romney.

That's what I think, too. The contraceptive ruling, gay marriage and now this... I don't know. Strikes me as a concerted effort to get the unhinged howler monkeys in the GOP howling.

Romney's unfavorable number with independents is somewhere around 47%. Stuff like this forces Romney to pander to the GOP base, which doesn't exactly score him points with moderates and independents... Which is where this election is going to be won.


I didn't know that David Axelrod was a TFer. ;)

/jokes aside, your point is right on
 
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