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(Panama City News Herald)   Man stands his ground, holds six kids ages 4 to 16 at gunpoint for turning their ATV around in his driveway. Bonus: Makes oldest kid call mom to pick them up   (newsherald.com) divider line 345
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2012-06-15 07:24:50 PM
Yeah guns are a right! Especially if you're old bastard with little regard for human life! Those are the ones that have the most rights.
 
2012-06-15 07:26:56 PM

clowncar on fire: What i was looking for in the article was that this guy had a history of chasing these kids out of his driveway and finally snapped. Seems more like a kneejerk reaction instead as they appear to have no prior history. On the flipside, I was looking for someone who had a hisory of drinking, and terrorizing the neighborhood. Again, failed to meet expectations.

What this guy was a bit on the extreme. What's lacking is any real attempt at harm. We're not sure if he even had a bullet in the gun. While extreme, his actions have a certain rational. Scare the hell out of the kids, have the oldest call his mom come pick them up rather than just being content with terrifying with the weapon and letting them drive off. He takes it a couple of steps further by contacting 911 himself and reporting the incident to the police knowing full well what he did was wrong. Not the actions of dangerous, irrational old coot but rather, an individual who has recognized the seriousness of his behavior.

Guilty of really poor judgement but maybe not so much with deadly intent.


"Deadly" intent isn't necessary to intentionally and unjustifiably put another in fear of imminent harmful contact, which is the common law definition of "assault." He committed a crime, a violent crime, and I don't think he understands that what he did was very wrong.
 
2012-06-15 07:30:56 PM

there4igraham: While I readily admit that there is nothing more aggravating than the multitude of jack holes that have designated my driveway as the best place in my neighborhood to turn around, I'd never pull a gun on somebody though I have been known to accidentally drop a few screws and nails. I'm cranky.


Are they doing burnouts in your driveway? Do you also get pissed off at people LOOKING at you for no good reason? As long as they aren't being loud or driving through your lawn, you don't have to be as cranky as you claim to be.

But those damn snowmobilers! string em up!

/really didn't care
 
2012-06-15 07:32:05 PM
My mom had a shotgun pointed at her while pulling into a driveway to turn her car around on a dead-end street.
Yeah, the 5'2" librarian in a Toyota Corsica is such a threat....

/In Florida during the middle of the day
 
2012-06-15 07:33:09 PM

Mr. Right: The Last Line of TFA: Parents of the victims declined to comment Thursday.

Also known as "our kids were being dicks. We''d like to thank the old codger for showing heroic restraint but it might not sound good so say that so we won't say anything."


Dude, I had no idea you could read minds. You should go on tour with that shiat.

I know it's hard to believe, but not everyone in America is an attention whore. Maybe, just maybe, they just didn't feel like being on TV or in the newspaper. Maybe they sought the advice of an attorney because they saw this thing blowing up into a national news story and decided it would be a good idea to not say anything.

Only assholes leap to so far to reach spurious conclusions based entirely on what was not said by someone they've never met, seen, or know anything about.
 
2012-06-15 07:33:42 PM
2nd Amendment advocates aren't interested in protecting themselves. They actively want to shoot people, and are looking for any opportunity they can to legally do so.

Hope this guy's intestines explode from backed-up shiat after his asshole gets clogged with all the crusted-up semen that builds up from him getting raped nonstop in prison.
 
2012-06-15 07:37:33 PM

bugontherug: clowncar on fire: What i was looking for in the article was that this guy had a history of chasing these kids out of his driveway and finally snapped. Seems more like a kneejerk reaction instead as they appear to have no prior history. On the flipside, I was looking for someone who had a hisory of drinking, and terrorizing the neighborhood. Again, failed to meet expectations.

What this guy was a bit on the extreme. What's lacking is any real attempt at harm. We're not sure if he even had a bullet in the gun. While extreme, his actions have a certain rational. Scare the hell out of the kids, have the oldest call his mom come pick them up rather than just being content with terrifying with the weapon and letting them drive off. He takes it a couple of steps further by contacting 911 himself and reporting the incident to the police knowing full well what he did was wrong. Not the actions of dangerous, irrational old coot but rather, an individual who has recognized the seriousness of his behavior.

Guilty of really poor judgement but maybe not so much with deadly intent.

"Deadly" intent isn't necessary to intentionally and unjustifiably put another in fear of imminent harmful contact, which is the common law definition of "assault." He committed a crime, a violent crime, and I don't think he understands that what he did was very wrong.


Exactly.

The weapon should not be pointed unless you intend to fire it imminently.

Point and don't fire imminently, and you demonstrate a lack of stuff, pliable by law.

Grow up, gun owner. Own responsibly, or revoke your privilege, sir.
 
2012-06-15 07:41:05 PM

Digital Communist: And I believe most NRA members would agree with me. No one hates irresponsible use of firearms more than people who like guns.

That sentence made me laugh.


Don't see whats so funny about the statement he made. Would you also laugh at the statement 'No one hates irresponsible use of automobiles more than people who like cars. By your reasoning, all car dealers and professional drivers are out there cheering on drunks running over people, too.
 
2012-06-15 07:44:36 PM

meathome: mr_a: I am a gun-owner, a lover of all kinds of target shooting, an NRA member, a 2nd amendment supporter, etc etc etc.

There is NO REASON on earth why you should be pointing a weapon at a 4 year-old. None.

His weapons should be confiscated and he should be banned from ever owning a weapon of any sort again. He has demonstrated quite clearly he is incapable of safely handling a weapon.

And I believe most NRA members would agree with me. No one hates irresponsible use of firearms more than people who like guns.

THIS. But I suspect there's more to the story... doesn't make his actions right, but somehow I don't think that the article is 100% accurate, especially given calling the parents.

I can't fault the guy for having the kids call their parents for the ATV (I'm in PA, and we've got weird laws about them; not driving on roads/freeways I can see, but I think a property owner is responsible if someone gets hurt using an ATV on their property... even if the rider wasn't supposed to be there or lives at the property; not quite sure, but it caused holy hell in the local neighborhood growing up).


Not sure if what you said is true as I'm not a lawyer -- but in the case you posted at least, it should never be the property owners fault that some idiot trespassed onto your property and got hurt.
Cause and effect. Don't go where you're not supposed to be and you won't get hurt there. If this is true it's farking retarded.
 
2012-06-15 07:48:41 PM

bugontherug: He committed a crime, a violent crime, and I don't think he understands that what he did was very wrong.


He probably doesn't understand what he did was wrong AT ALL. Probably is convinced he is 100% in the right actually, and probably believes he had the right to shoot them all for stepping on his property and that he feels he showed great restraint by not executing them all. Probably sitting there now convinced he's only still locked up due to some 'activist judge'.

/You don't live around these kind of people, I do. Their thought processes are are inconceivably scary.
 
2012-06-15 07:51:48 PM

stevenboof: beta_plus: Pointy Tail of Satan: You mean his some to be ex-lawn. Wanna bet he's a Republican?

I'll take the "He's a Democrat" side of someone's bet that he's a Republican - the last time you were completely wrong.

How about we all agree that he is a farkin nutjob regardless of his political leanings.


Agreed. And it's also likely that he's known locally as a nutjob and has little to no social interaction as a result, which just compounds the problem. It's also possible that bored neighborhood kids figure they should harass the local nutjob on a regular basis, either with taunts or vandalism. So, when 6 kids pull into his driveway and he's there to witness and do something about it, he cracks. Not saying he's got a valid point, but I'm guessing there's a sympathy defense in there somewhere.. probably not sufficient to make people forget that he held 6 children at gunpoint.
 
2012-06-15 07:52:44 PM
If the rest of the country would just follow the example of New Jersey, this would never have happened. It is illegal to operate an ATV on any public road or state land by a private citizen anywhere in the State of NJ. So some wiseguys built ATV tracks for their precious little crotch-fruit in their backyards. The municipalities responded by outlawing ATV riding anywhere in areas zoned residential including private property. Some homeowners sued. The state court upheld the ban.

/Peace and Quiet
//Blue State for the Win
 
2012-06-15 07:53:03 PM

CliChe Guevara:

/You don't live around these kind of people, I do. Their thought feeling processes are are inconceivably scary.


People like this don't think, they feel. Their brains are just a soup of intense emotions, most of them negative.
 
2012-06-15 07:54:57 PM
To all that think I am a troll the thing I am trying to articulate is that feeling of "If I do not take action, it is not going to get better". I wager you folks have never even been close to there or have even had an IRL encounter with a real troll that simply will not go away.


I have this bully (since high school) of a customer at work, he acts completely within the rules, gives me the most difficult time ever. Every time I see him come in I want to throttle him. The only thing keeping me from doing that is that cliche "I like my job more than I like being homeless" and the fact that I really LOVE my IT job. He acts so sweet and adorable to everyone, but secretly loves to fark me sideways. That's his power jollies. Ever since he found out what my occupation was, in the IT service industry, every farking week he specifically requests for me; wants to try something new and insanely complicated, and is the most labor intensive customer of our entire service area. I get the job done, but it is never to his satisfaction, so he files a bullshiat complaint that has just enough plausible deniability behind it and I get written up. If I get enough writeups I have to take Customer Service courses and have supervisor ride-alongs. It's the exact opposite thing when my coworkers go there because I refuse or am unavailable from time to time. The only balance is the few customers that write glowing 4-5 star ratings about my work and I have to literally beg them for those written comments / calls to keep my job. My bosses know that he is full of shiat, but are also afraid of lawsuits because he has a minor learning disability that he hides behind, so nothing happens. It's my nearly dream job, my life, my happiness and this shiatbag is ruining it for me.

At least sometimes he steps over the bounds in public or in front of my bosses and lets his true colors show, and that's how my bosses know he is full of shiat and that gives me a reprieve from his behavior / requests for a few weeks. There haven't been any job openings that doesn't mean starting from scratch again with a steep pay cut and going back to working two jobs and riding the bus. I just so desperately want to be happy, but there is this one obstacle that has nothing better to do than spend his time and money stepping on me.


And that's what it's like to be there. Your issue is not "big" enough to warrant intervention by the authorities and superiors, but big enough to be a detriment to the quality of life. And if you think I haven't tried getting a court order against that cancer... I very nearly broke down, cried, and wanted to kill myself on the spot when I saw how buddy-buddy he was with the Judge. Of course I didn't get the injunction because it was "so unbelievable" what that "nice guy" was doing. I was very much actually considering driving full speed into trees on the way home.

So once again, I'm going to reiterate that this article seems incredibly one-sided and there is probably more to the story than is being told here.

/Yes. I am living in that "one man's hell is another man's heaven".
//God help me, because I am very nearly "there".
///The few slip-ups keep my hope up and keep me going; they're like little glimpses of light but the tunnel has been so long I wonder when I will get out.
 
2012-06-15 08:00:03 PM
What exactly did this man do wrong? Nobody was hurt, and you can be damn sure those kids aren't going to trespass on his property anymore.
 
2012-06-15 08:01:20 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that the kid's mother came very, very close to getting shot.
 
2012-06-15 08:02:52 PM
An armed society is a polite society.
 
2012-06-15 08:05:00 PM

Eve L. Koont: Not sure if what you said is true as I'm not a lawyer -- but in the case you posted at least, it should never be the property owners fault that some idiot trespassed onto your property and got hurt.
Cause and effect. Don't go where you're not supposed to be and you won't get hurt there. If this is true it's farking retarded.


I don't know either, however it is true for swimming pools. In my area, even if someone is trespassing on your property and uses bolt cutters to cut the lock to the pool area, if they drown in your pool while you are not home, you are liable. I do not know if that kind of stupidity extends to people "turfing" your property with ATVs though.
 
2012-06-15 08:07:23 PM

Avery614: I don't know either, however it is true for swimming pools. In my area, even if someone is trespassing on your property and uses bolt cutters to cut the lock to the pool area, if they drown in your pool while you are not home, you are liable. I do not know if that kind of stupidity extends to people "turfing" your property with ATVs though.


Would you be willing to risk the receiving end of a potato-counting jury?
 
2012-06-15 08:09:27 PM

zippyZRX: ATV's are not street legal


It varies from municipality to municipality.
 
2012-06-15 08:11:03 PM

Diogenes: And technically, they weren't even on his lawn.


"STAND YER DRIVEWAY" law!!
 
2012-06-15 08:11:37 PM

Fissile: If the rest of the country would just follow the example of New Jersey, this would never have happened. It is illegal to operate an ATV on any public road or state land by a private citizen anywhere in the State of NJ. So some wiseguys built ATV tracks for their precious little crotch-fruit in their backyards. The municipalities responded by outlawing ATV riding anywhere in areas zoned residential including private property. Some homeowners sued. The state court upheld the ban.

/Peace and Quiet
//Blue State for the Win


Yeah, because if anyone knows how to hand a situation, it's New Jersey.
 
2012-06-15 08:13:28 PM

LockeOak: An armed society is a polite society.


laughingsquid.com

Detroit.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Gaza.

resources1.news.com.au

Baghdad.
 
2012-06-15 08:15:00 PM

PlNG: To all that think I am a troll the thing I am trying to articulate is that feeling of "If I do not take action, it is not going to get better". I wager you folks have never even been close to there or have even had an IRL encounter with a real troll that simply will not go away.


I have this bully (since high school) of a customer at work, he acts completely within the rules, gives me the most difficult time ever. Every time I see him come in I want to throttle him. The only thing keeping me from doing that is that cliche "I like my job more than I like being homeless" and the fact that I really LOVE my IT job. He acts so sweet and adorable to everyone, but secretly loves to fark me sideways. That's his power jollies. Ever since he found out what my occupation was, in the IT service industry, every farking week he specifically requests for me; wants to try something new and insanely complicated, and is the most labor intensive customer of our entire service area. I get the job done, but it is never to his satisfaction, so he files a bullshiat complaint that has just enough plausible deniability behind it and I get written up. If I get enough writeups I have to take Customer Service courses and have supervisor ride-alongs. It's the exact opposite thing when my coworkers go there because I refuse or am unavailable from time to time. The only balance is the few customers that write glowing 4-5 star ratings about my work and I have to literally beg them for those written comments / calls to keep my job. My bosses know that he is full of shiat, but are also afraid of lawsuits because he has a minor learning disability that he hides behind, so nothing happens. It's my nearly dream job, my life, my happiness and this shiatbag is ruining it for me.

At least sometimes he steps over the bounds in public or in front of my bosses and lets his true colors show, and that's how my bosses know he is full of shiat and that gives me a reprieve from his behavior / requests f ...


(since high school?)

You need to move on.

The environment is not conducive for you finding any sense of justice if you have spoken up before literally and vocally and vociferously?

Ever try punching the guy in the face really hard?

Bullies respond to being grounded, so ground him.

Your job's worth it in the long run, b/c your pride will overcome, no?
 
2012-06-15 08:15:55 PM

PlNG: To all that think I am a troll the thing I am trying to articulate is that feeling of "If I do not take action, it is not going to get better". I wager you folks have never even been close to there or have even had an IRL encounter with a real troll that simply will not go away.


I have this bully (since high school) of a customer at work, he acts completely within the rules, gives me the most difficult time ever. Every time I see him come in I want to throttle him. The only thing keeping me from doing that is that cliche "I like my job more than I like being homeless" and the fact that I really LOVE my IT job. He acts so sweet and adorable to everyone, but secretly loves to fark me sideways. That's his power jollies. Ever since he found out what my occupation was, in the IT service industry, every farking week he specifically requests for me; wants to try something new and insanely complicated, and is the most labor intensive customer of our entire service area. I get the job done, but it is never to his satisfaction, so he files a bullshiat complaint that has just enough plausible deniability behind it and I get written up. If I get enough writeups I have to take Customer Service courses and have supervisor ride-alongs. It's the exact opposite thing when my coworkers go there because I refuse or am unavailable from time to time. The only balance is the few customers that write glowing 4-5 star ratings about my work and I have to literally beg them for those written comments / calls to keep my job. My bosses know that he is full of shiat, but are also afraid of lawsuits because he has a minor learning disability that he hides behind, so nothing happens. It's my nearly dream job, my life, my happiness and this shiatbag is ruining it for me.

At least sometimes he steps over the bounds in public or in front of my bosses and lets his true colors show, and that's how my bosses know he is full of shiat and that gives me a reprieve from his behavior / requests for a few ...


Is there no way to tell your superiors that you will not deal with this farker anymore? Most jobs I've worked, if an employee had a personal problem, issue, or dislike of a particular customer and it was a valid one, that customer would be told, "Oh John doesn't do that anymore, this is Chris, he'll be helping you from now on", or some such BS. Me? I'd go out of my way to make his life hell without him knowing it's me. Sugar in the gas tank, slashed tires, 20 gallons of motor oil on his lawn at 2am, you know just shiat to cost the guy an amazing amount of money for your trouble.

But then I tend to be a huge prick that is great at holding a grudge, quite often.
 
2012-06-15 08:19:04 PM

Alakrios: Semi-CSB time.

I lived in Southport last year for about two months. It was two months that I'd rather not repeat. The entire farking county is run off the good ol' boy system, and if you weren't born there or grew up there, then you weren't one o' them. Glad something finally came of everyone and their cousin(s) waving firearms around over there.

/Had idiot kids up and down my street at all hours of the night on ATVs, so I'm glad they got the shiat scared out of them.
//In no way do I condone how that crotchety old fark went about scaring said kids.


Ha!

I have been in Bay County Jail. It's a long story and starts with Mardi Gras... Somewhere around Spring Break (when I was way too old to know better) I was removed from my hotel in Panama City and deposited at said jail. Several DAYS later they finally agreed I was me and NOT the guy who needed the ride out when they could not verify the warrant they let me go with mostly a few citations which turned into fines.

I was way too old to be behaving like that... *sighs* I seem to recall it was one hell of a good time. God love college chicks.
 
2012-06-15 08:19:09 PM

Avery614: PlNG: To all that think I am a troll the thing I am trying to articulate is that feeling of "If I do not take action, it is not going to get better". I wager you folks have never even been close to there or have even had an IRL encounter with a real troll that simply will not go away.


I have this bully (since high school) of a customer at work, he acts completely within the rules, gives me the most difficult time ever. Every time I see him come in I want to throttle him. The only thing keeping me from doing that is that cliche "I like my job more than I like being homeless" and the fact that I really LOVE my IT job. He acts so sweet and adorable to everyone, but secretly loves to fark me sideways. That's his power jollies. Ever since he found out what my occupation was, in the IT service industry, every farking week he specifically requests for me; wants to try something new and insanely complicated, and is the most labor intensive customer of our entire service area. I get the job done, but it is never to his satisfaction, so he files a bullshiat complaint that has just enough plausible deniability behind it and I get written up. If I get enough writeups I have to take Customer Service courses and have supervisor ride-alongs. It's the exact opposite thing when my coworkers go there because I refuse or am unavailable from time to time. The only balance is the few customers that write glowing 4-5 star ratings about my work and I have to literally beg them for those written comments / calls to keep my job. My bosses know that he is full of shiat, but are also afraid of lawsuits because he has a minor learning disability that he hides behind, so nothing happens. It's my nearly dream job, my life, my happiness and this shiatbag is ruining it for me.

At least sometimes he steps over the bounds in public or in front of my bosses and lets his true colors show, and that's how my bosses know he is full of shiat and that gives me a reprieve from his behavior / requests for ...


You mean passive-aggressive, right? Amirite? ;)
 
2012-06-15 08:22:38 PM

GoldSpider: Avery614: I don't know either, however it is true for swimming pools. In my area, even if someone is trespassing on your property and uses bolt cutters to cut the lock to the pool area, if they drown in your pool while you are not home, you are liable. I do not know if that kind of stupidity extends to people "turfing" your property with ATVs though.

Would you be willing to risk the receiving end of a potato-counting jury?


Not sure but I don't think they are jury trials as you are not charged with a crime (in the case of the swimming pool anyway). The only reason I know any of this is because of the speech my dad got from the builders all those years ago when he put the pool in. The "liable" part only comes in if the injured party or the family of the deceased decides to sue. IMHO if you injure yourself while committing a crime (even trespassing) too farking bad, you get nothing, good day sir.
 
2012-06-15 08:28:53 PM

Indubitably: You mean passive-aggressive, right? Amirite? ;)


Well only for the destructive stuff. Post 18yo, regular aggressive will get me locked up more often than not. Not to mention a new slew of anger management classes.

/"Dude was asking to be punched" is not a valid excuse
//who knew??
 
2012-06-15 08:33:13 PM

suburbanguy: cretinbob: suburbanguy: cretinbob: The My Little Pony Killer: cretinbob: You know how I can tell you live in a city?

... besides looking at my profile, smartass?

That's a wagon with a motor.

Nope, that's an ATV

Nope, that's a gator and a mule - which are both much more specialized than a traditional 4-wheeler. Is a Jeep an ATV? Hoe about an amphibious vehicle? I know you hillbillies like all your toys, but everyone thinks of a 4-wheeler when they hear "ATV". I could easily drive safely around with 20 people in my car if I owned a stretch limo, but I wouldn't just call it a "car."

Yeah, but it's still referred to as an ATV , or sometimes an APV.

here, let me google that for you

Only by snarky trolls.


Someone asked a question and I answered it. Now go to the store/market and get a can of soda/pop/coke and put it in a sack/bag/poke and stick it up your ass. Not every post is a troll, and you suck at trolling.
 
2012-06-15 08:41:51 PM

Vespizzari: CheapEngineer: Vespizzari: 4 year old children (at least one anyway) were present. The driver was a 16 year old male. Have you ever met a 16 year old male (in particular one with access to an ATV in a rural area) who wasn't a prick? I tend to side with the folks who say there is more to this story then we're being told.

.

Irrelevant. You don't point weapons at children, unless there is a verifiable likelihood that they are the Walking Dead. It doesn't matter of these children were wearing clown costumes and dripping fresh blood.

At what point is being a prick a shootable offense? Cause, honestly I don't have enough ammo for FARK.

No see, that's where you're wrong. YOU may not point weapons at children, but I could care less. I do not in point of fact point weapons at anything, but I could give somewhere around zero farks about children. They are smaller adults with poor impulse control, and are worth nothing more than any other life period.

My point is not that this man's actions are right or justified, they probably are not, but without the whole story I will refrain from judgement.


So there is a yet missing detail that could modify how you feel about the gun wielding older gentleman?

Personally, I believe it to be irrelevant. Please enlighten me with an example of "this detail would make a difference". I'm keen to guess.
 
2012-06-15 08:42:00 PM
I'm a registered Fark Child Hater and even I can't back this up.
 
2012-06-15 08:44:15 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: LockeOak: An armed society is a polite society.

[laughingsquid.com image 500x339]

Detroit.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 470x315]

Gaza.

[resources1.news.com.au image 640x360]

Baghdad.


He clearly wasn't being ironic.
 
2012-06-15 08:50:50 PM

LoneWolf343: Boudica's War Tampon: LockeOak: An armed society is a polite society.

[laughingsquid.com image 500x339]

Detroit.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 470x315]

Gaza.

[resources1.news.com.au image 640x360]

Baghdad.

He clearly wasn't being ironic.


I thought you had to wear your Ironic vest in here if you were being ironic.

(Doffs his Humorous Sarcasm hat)
 
2012-06-15 08:51:18 PM

cretinbob: suburbanguy: cretinbob: suburbanguy: cretinbob: The My Little Pony Killer: cretinbob: You know how I can tell you live in a city?

... besides looking at my profile, smartass?

That's a wagon with a motor.

Nope, that's an ATV

Nope, that's a gator and a mule - which are both much more specialized than a traditional 4-wheeler. Is a Jeep an ATV? Hoe about an amphibious vehicle? I know you hillbillies like all your toys, but everyone thinks of a 4-wheeler when they hear "ATV". I could easily drive safely around with 20 people in my car if I owned a stretch limo, but I wouldn't just call it a "car."

Yeah, but it's still referred to as an ATV , or sometimes an APV.

here, let me google that for you

Only by snarky trolls.

Someone asked a question and I answered it. Now go to the store/market and get a can of soda/pop/coke and put it in a sack/bag/poke and stick it up your ass. Not every post is a troll, and you suck at trolling.


That's because I'm not trolling.
 
2012-06-15 08:57:57 PM

LoneWolf343: Boudica's War Tampon: LockeOak: An armed society is a polite society.

[laughingsquid.com image 500x339]

Detroit.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 470x315]

Gaza.

[resources1.news.com.au image 640x360]

Baghdad.

He clearly wasn't being ironic.


It's like ten thousand guns when all you need is a knife.
 
2012-06-15 08:58:33 PM

Avery614: Indubitably: You mean passive-aggressive, right? Amirite? ;)

Well only for the destructive stuff. Post 18yo, regular aggressive will get me locked up more often than not. Not to mention a new slew of anger management classes.

/"Dude was asking to be punched" is not a valid excuse
//who knew??


Find new strategies and tactics, man. I expect and suspect you are more than capable...

Your intellect would suggest so.

Peace.

;)
 
2012-06-15 09:02:08 PM
The butthurt is deep in this thread.
 
2012-06-15 09:10:21 PM

CheapEngineer: Vespizzari: CheapEngineer: Vespizzari: 4 year old children (at least one anyway) were present. The driver was a 16 year old male. Have you ever met a 16 year old male (in particular one with access to an ATV in a rural area) who wasn't a prick? I tend to side with the folks who say there is more to this story then we're being told.

.

Irrelevant. You don't point weapons at children, unless there is a verifiable likelihood that they are the Walking Dead. It doesn't matter of these children were wearing clown costumes and dripping fresh blood.

At what point is being a prick a shootable offense? Cause, honestly I don't have enough ammo for FARK.

No see, that's where you're wrong. YOU may not point weapons at children, but I could care less. I do not in point of fact point weapons at anything, but I could give somewhere around zero farks about children. They are smaller adults with poor impulse control, and are worth nothing more than any other life period.

My point is not that this man's actions are right or justified, they probably are not, but without the whole story I will refrain from judgement.

So there is a yet missing detail that could modify how you feel about the gun wielding older gentleman?

Personally, I believe it to be irrelevant. Please enlighten me with an example of "this detail would make a difference". I'm keen to guess.


I don't really care to be honest, but I'm bored at work and this thread caught my eye. Fark is a funny place, with so many predictable people.

I just think that it's interesting how many here are so quick to condemn the man in light of the information provided. The article leaves out details that are relevant. We don't know how many of the kids are older teens. We don't know if there is history between them and the old man, or if he has suffered regular ATV poaching from these kids or others on his land. I think the fact that both parties called 911 speaks volumes. Either the guy is truly grade 5 nuts, or he's genuinely afraid of some of these kids, but the article does not make that clear.

The assumption you and many others are making is that the gun (and implied threat of deadly force) is excessive, I consider that a matter of opinion and I don't entirely agree. This appears to be based on the fact that the alleged assailants were children, but if they were mostly older teen boys then a 60+ year old man has reason to be fearful. The article also does not make it clear if the gun was loaded or not, which would change the nature of the threat/action as well.

The description of events as reported does indeed make the guy look like some kind of "get off my lawn" gun nut gone insane, but there is a lot of information missing. I'd like to see a follow up interview or report from the old man himself, as well as some of the neighbors to confirm the ATV behavior, and the parents.

I'm not trolling or trying to be a total dick. I'm sorry if you don't like my opinion, my intent is not to offend or make a personal attack. I've seen some really horrible shiat done to really nice people by bored teens looking for something to do. In 9 situations out of 10 where teens and old people are involved, it's the teen's fault.

If the involvement of a gun of the age of the participants makes the situation untenable for you under any circumstances than I simply agree to disagree and would still buy you a pint assuming you drink them.

/going home now
 
2012-06-15 09:11:25 PM
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2012-06-15 09:12:50 PM
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2012-06-15 09:15:32 PM

Indubitably: Find new strategies and tactics, man. I expect and suspect you are more than capable...

Your intellect would suggest so.

Peace.

;)



I am and do now, been the better part of a decade since I had to go all childish. "Avoid those situations" instead of "Engage at any cost, it's your farking pride man" seems to be working better. Not being such a farking hot-head nowadays helps even more.
 
2012-06-15 09:17:00 PM

Indubitably: Own responsibly, or revoke your privilege, sir.


Umm....it's a right not a privilege. Dont say stupid shiat, or we'll revoke your privilege of speech.
 
2012-06-15 09:21:30 PM

dkrel: dittybopper: doglover: Point your (uncocked) glock

You know how I know you aren't familiar with firearms?

+1

"Uncocked Glock" Makes me laugh for several different reasons.


I keep reading that as "uncooked". Like he's pointing a raw Glock @ their heads.
 
2012-06-15 09:38:12 PM

King Something: OTOH, if the trespassing clause of Florida's Castle Doctrine covers people's front lawns and driveways (I know it covers homes, places of business and occupied vehicles, including if you have your window down and someone outside your car reaches his hand through where the window would be if it were up), then this guy's gonna get off scot-free since the jury will be required to believe that the guy was frightened for his life because he thought the kids were trespassing with the intent to commit a violent felony. On top of that, he'd have complete civil immunity regarding this case (meaning the kids' parents cannot sue him). I believe this is the more likely outcome, due to the way the law was written.


I want to be in court the day this guy says he was frightened for his life of a FOUR YEAR OLD.

I know someone here will run out the "kids can be dangerous blah blah blah" but notwithstanding, I want to be in court when he says "Yes, I thought that small child was going to kill me." I really do.
 
2012-06-15 10:00:57 PM

Avery614: Indubitably: Find new strategies and tactics, man. I expect and suspect you are more than capable...

Your intellect would suggest so.

Peace.

;)


I am and do now, been the better part of a decade since I had to go all childish. "Avoid those situations" instead of "Engage at any cost, it's your farking pride man" seems to be working better. Not being such a farking hot-head nowadays helps even more.


Good and well, man.
 
2012-06-15 10:01:52 PM

bugontherug: clowncar on fire: What i was looking for in the article was that this guy had a history of chasing these kids out of his driveway and finally snapped. Seems more like a kneejerk reaction instead as they appear to have no prior history. On the flipside, I was looking for someone who had a hisory of drinking, and terrorizing the neighborhood. Again, failed to meet expectations.

What this guy was a bit on the extreme. What's lacking is any real attempt at harm. We're not sure if he even had a bullet in the gun. While extreme, his actions have a certain rational. Scare the hell out of the kids, have the oldest call his mom come pick them up rather than just being content with terrifying with the weapon and letting them drive off. He takes it a couple of steps further by contacting 911 himself and reporting the incident to the police knowing full well what he did was wrong. Not the actions of dangerous, irrational old coot but rather, an individual who has recognized the seriousness of his behavior.

Guilty of really poor judgement but maybe not so much with deadly intent.

"Deadly" intent isn't necessary to intentionally and unjustifiably put another in fear of imminent harmful contact, which is the common law definition of "assault." He committed a crime, a violent crime, and I don't think he understands that what he did was very wrong.


I'd say that in contacting 911 to report the event after the mom picked the kids up that he had a very clear understanding of the enormity of act. A very stupid act on his part but as far as I can tell- not out of malicious intent other than to scare the bejeebis out of the kids. Now lets discuss that negligent mom that allows 6 kids between the ages of 4 and 16 to be riding about on an ATV without any adult supervision...
 
2012-06-15 10:01:58 PM

Eponymous: Indubitably: Own responsibly, or revoke your privilege, sir.

Umm....it's a right not a privilege. Dont say stupid shiat, or we'll revoke your privilege of speech.


Are you threatening me, apostrophe error?
 
2012-06-15 10:02:24 PM

BunkyBrewman: choo: Scared white angry country bumpkins. These guys exist by the truckload in the more rural areas of Acadiana.

What the holy hell happens to these guys? It's like they reach the age of 60 and just lose their farking minds.


People do terrorize them though.

Don't worry, no one will believe you one day.
 
2012-06-15 10:04:39 PM

Eponymous: Indubitably: Own responsibly, or revoke your privilege, sir.

Umm....it's a right not a privilege. Dont say stupid shiat, or we'll revoke your privilege of speech.


Indubitably: Eponymous: Indubitably: Own responsibly, or revoke your privilege, sir.

Umm....it's a right not a privilege. Dont say stupid shiat, or we'll revoke your privilege of speech.

Are you threatening me, apostrophe error?


You might learn the nuance of language b4 opening yer gob, no?

Or are you still threatening me?
 
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