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(Panama City News Herald)   Man stands his ground, holds six kids ages 4 to 16 at gunpoint for turning their ATV around in his driveway. Bonus: Makes oldest kid call mom to pick them up   (newsherald.com) divider line 345
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2012-06-15 10:06:17 PM  

Eponymous: Indubitably: Own responsibly, or revoke your privilege, sir.

Umm....it's a right not a privilege. Dont say stupid shiat, or we'll revoke your privilege of speech.


R.E.M. dude: I just triangulated yer location.

Heh.

Say again?

;)
 
2012-06-15 10:06:56 PM  

clowncar on fire: What i was looking for in the article was that this guy had a history of chasing these kids out of his driveway and finally snapped. Seems more like a kneejerk reaction instead as they appear to have no prior history. On the flipside, I was looking for someone who had a hisory of drinking, and terrorizing the neighborhood. Again, failed to meet expectations.

What this guy was a bit on the extreme. What's lacking is any real attempt at harm. We're not sure if he even had a bullet in the gun. While extreme, his actions have a certain rational. Scare the hell out of the kids, have the oldest call his mom come pick them up rather than just being content with terrifying with the weapon and letting them drive off. He takes it a couple of steps further by contacting 911 himself and reporting the incident to the police knowing full well what he did was wrong. Not the actions of dangerous, irrational old coot but rather, an individual who has recognized the seriousness of his behavior.

Guilty of really poor judgement but maybe not so much with deadly intent.



Pulling the hammer back, finger on the trigger and repeatedly telling the oldest of the kids he was ready to kill him is not "grumpy old man" behavior followed by guilt as you so nicely sugar-coated what happened.
What this old man did was uncalled for, irresponsible and could have ended very badly.
 
2012-06-15 10:09:23 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Welcome to Fartbongo's America, where you go to prison for having a gun.



In this case, he needs to
 
2012-06-15 10:13:40 PM  

Dimensio: How, exactly, does one "uncock" a Glock model handgun?


Maybe because the article never mentions one?

Fulcher ordered the kids to put their hands on their heads, get off the vehicle and lie down on the ground. The 16-year-old driver apologized, but Fulcher cocked the hammer on the revolver and pointed the gun at the driver's head and told him he'd be the "first to go." He kept his finger on the trigger.
 
2012-06-15 10:13:43 PM  
This is America: only cops are allowed to point guns at kids.

That being said, NOBODY is allowed to punish kids for being assholes anymore.
 
2012-06-15 10:15:28 PM  

PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.


A few bags of pea gravel will make your driveway look quite nice
 
2012-06-15 10:16:56 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Welcome to Fartbongo's America, where you go to prison for having a gun.


Funny, I thought the whole "aiming it loaded and cocked at children while threatening their lives" was why he went to prison.

Could you at least TRY to be intelligent once in a while?
 
2012-06-15 10:18:49 PM  
I get it! "Hold your ground" is the new code for "People who own firearms are terrible". Hilarious! Fark has all the best zingers!

/Seriously, it's time to put grandpa in the home.
 
2012-06-15 10:22:17 PM  

craxyd: clowncar on fire: What i was looking for in the article was that this guy had a history of chasing these kids out of his driveway and finally snapped. Seems more like a kneejerk reaction instead as they appear to have no prior history. On the flipside, I was looking for someone who had a hisory of drinking, and terrorizing the neighborhood. Again, failed to meet expectations.

What this guy was a bit on the extreme. What's lacking is any real attempt at harm. We're not sure if he even had a bullet in the gun. While extreme, his actions have a certain rational. Scare the hell out of the kids, have the oldest call his mom come pick them up rather than just being content with terrifying with the weapon and letting them drive off. He takes it a couple of steps further by contacting 911 himself and reporting the incident to the police knowing full well what he did was wrong. Not the actions of dangerous, irrational old coot but rather, an individual who has recognized the seriousness of his behavior.

Guilty of really poor judgement but maybe not so much with deadly intent.


Pulling the hammer back, finger on the trigger and repeatedly telling the oldest of the kids he was ready to kill him is not "grumpy old man" behavior followed by guilt as you so nicely sugar-coated what happened.
What this old man did was uncalled for, irresponsible and could have ended very badly.


Again- you'd have to know the old guy's intent, or whether he even had bullets in the gun. I'm going with a seriously stupid attempt to terrify the kids (with no actual intent of deadly harm). Having the oldest call his mom seems like the coup d'grace as the teen would now have to confront his mom about where he had been with the ATV. Once the old guy was faced with an adult, he did keep the gun holstered and allowed her to take her brood.

Given to the time to reflect on it, he also decided that his behavior was incredibly stupid and took the time to call 911 and report his involvement and what he had done.

A decidely psycho person would have preferred death by cop and would have slugged down a few shots of his favorite alcoholic beverage while waiting to fire on the cops as they arrived...
 
2012-06-15 10:28:00 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Welcome to Fartbongo's America, where you go to prison for having a gun.

Funny, I thought the whole "aiming it loaded and cocked at children while threatening their lives" was why he went to prison.

Could you at least TRY to be intelligent once in a while?


I'm not an Obama fan but even I'll "this" that one.

Unless, of course, this is one of those "dems posing as a republican" situation just to rile up the other dems- In that case the stupid just nulls itself out.
 
2012-06-15 10:28:25 PM  

lerxst2112: 9/10

You're still going on my ignore list moron.


Ah yes, the ignore threat. You can't just do it but you have to advertise it.

Just farking do it and don't tell us. We don't care.

But you will tell us if you put me on it. You know you will if you do.
 
2012-06-15 10:28:41 PM  

Dimensio: images.wikia.com

Are you certain?


I hate those guys! My Tank can survive most anything except when his Endurance gets sapped.

/Yes, I'm a nerd
 
2012-06-15 10:34:27 PM  

clowncar on fire: Again- you'd have to know the old guy's intent, or whether he even had bullets in the gun. I'm going with a seriously stupid attempt to terrify the kids (with no actual intent of deadly harm). Having the oldest call his mom seems like the coup d'grace as the teen would now have to confront his mom about where he had been with the ATV. Once the old guy was faced with an adult, he did keep the gun holstered and allowed her to take her brood.


Assault: Action by defendant intended to place plaintiff in fear or apprehension of imminent harm, and which does cause such fear or apprehension.
Aggravated Assault: Use of a weapon in an assault.

It doesn't matter if he "just wanted to scare the kids," in fact, that's the element of assault. His intent was to scare them shiatless thinking he was going to kill them--and he succeeded admirably by his own account. I'm sure the 4-year old was traumatized, although that doesn't seem to bother you either. Even if he lacked any "intent of deadly harm," he can't get off with that excuse.

Put it another way. If this guy walked into a 7-11 and pulled the same stunt, he'd be charged with armed robbery, even if his "intent" was never to pull the trigger. So don't be minimizing it by saying "oh, he never meant to hurt them." He MEANT to scare them to death, and he did that.
 
2012-06-15 10:42:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: Again- you'd have to know the old guy's intent, or whether he even had bullets in the gun. I'm going with a seriously stupid attempt to terrify the kids (with no actual intent of deadly harm). Having the oldest call his mom seems like the coup d'grace as the teen would now have to confront his mom about where he had been with the ATV. Once the old guy was faced with an adult, he did keep the gun holstered and allowed her to take her brood.

Assault: Action by defendant intended to place plaintiff in fear or apprehension of imminent harm, and which does cause such fear or apprehension.
Aggravated Assault: Use of a weapon in an assault.

It doesn't matter if he "just wanted to scare the kids," in fact, that's the element of assault. His intent was to scare them shiatless thinking he was going to kill them--and he succeeded admirably by his own account. I'm sure the 4-year old was traumatized, although that doesn't seem to bother you either. Even if he lacked any "intent of deadly harm," he can't get off with that excuse.

Put it another way. If this guy walked into a 7-11 and pulled the same stunt, he'd be charged with armed robbery, even if his "intent" was never to pull the trigger. So don't be minimizing it by saying "oh, he never meant to hurt them." He MEANT to scare them to death, and he did that.


You WILL pass next time, lover. ;)
 
2012-06-15 10:43:40 PM  

Gilligann: Looks like his driveway is at the end of a small road. I can see why the kids used it to turn around.


Where is his house? The neighborhood seems ripe in McMansions.
 
2012-06-15 10:53:04 PM  

PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.


On the off chance you're not trolling like these Trayvon idiots, let me help you out:

As a gun owner myself, let me assure you that there is absolutely, positively, no reason whatsoever why this man should have even displayed a firearm in this situation, much less pointed one at another human being. A four year old is no threat to a grown man or woman unless that four year old is the living incarnation of Satan (and even then, it's questionable). The ONLY reason ever to draw and aim a firearm is if your life or the life of another is in very real, very significant danger of being ended by the person you are aiming that firearm at.

You. Do. Not. EVER. Point. A. Firearm. Of. Any. Kind. At. Anyone. Or. Anything. You. Are. Not. Completely. Prepared. To. Obliterate.

The neighborhood kids burning rubber in my driveway is not now, nor will it ever be, a legitimate reason for me to use deadly force. And yes, I live in a state where both Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground are on the books and are highly unlikely to be revised or removed regardless of what some bullshiat politically motivated crap in FL based on lies has to say about it. I was also raised in a house full of guns and taught to properly use them when I was 12. No one with any sense who owns a gun can possibly condone this man's actions.
 
2012-06-15 10:56:39 PM  

Avery614: Look at the link posted by Gilligann, it's damn near in the middle of the farking woods. Also, ATVs aren't necessarily illegal to drive on streets, more rural towns often allow it. More so if you happen to live in the farking woods. I don't know if this has changed either, but when I was a kid you didn't need a licence to drive an certian ATVs.


If the law says it is illegal it is. Whether said laws are enforced is a different story.

When I was a pup I rode mini bikes everywhere but when I crossed a paved street I was breaking the law. Even on a street legal mini bike I was hasseled a few times busted crossing a road riding and not walking it.

And these motorized scooters? In my day they would not be allowed on the street. Back then you needed plates, brake lights, mirrors, the whole nine yards.

You don't need a license here to drive one on private property but to drive on the street any vehicle has to be licensed and so does the driver. Except tractors. They relax the law for them.
 
2012-06-15 11:01:11 PM  
Damn. Possible double post. Different wording.

We lived on a private road. With the way we buzzed up and down a neighbor shooting us would have been justifiable homicide.
 
2012-06-15 11:39:28 PM  
Or as the GOP likes to call them, "our base".
 
2012-06-15 11:43:23 PM  
Ah, the responsible gun owner.
 
2012-06-16 12:13:12 AM  
cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com

They were going to steal parts for Kenny Rogers' stock car...
 
2012-06-16 12:27:45 AM  

Aigoo: No one with any sense who owns a gun can possibly condone this man's actions.


QFT. The guy wasn't just a moron, but a dangerous moron.
 
2012-06-16 12:59:59 AM  

GAT_00: Ah, the responsible gun owner.


FTFY.
 
2012-06-16 01:03:02 AM  
Still waiting.
 
2012-06-16 01:19:14 AM  
Hoodies, etc.....
 
2012-06-16 01:35:57 AM  
"Well, this will be a birthday she won't forget,"

Yeah. You aren't going to forget it either, because you're going to spend some time in jail, and lose the right to own guns because you're a farking idiot who thinks that pulling guns on kids is funny.
 
2012-06-16 01:45:18 AM  
Before I read what was written at the top of the thread I would like to state that I have already read it as 'something something lawn'

If I don't read that, I'm going to be disappointed fark.

*scrolls back up*

And all was well in the universe
 
2012-06-16 01:51:37 AM  

GAT_00: Ah, the responsible gun owner.


Guns don't kill people, people kill people...with guns.
 
2012-06-16 02:15:06 AM  

PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.


I had a guy try to run me over for ejecting him from a property because he terrorized ( yes, terrorized) a woman by damn near running her on to the sidewalk so he could scream at her for driving too slowly in a crowded shopping center parking lot.

The idiot came back just as the police arrived so he could report me for violating his first amendment rights.

Soooo...the moral of the story here is that sometimes a crazy icehole is simply a crazy icehole.

Idiot went to jail, I went home and had some beers with friends.

/css
 
2012-06-16 02:34:53 AM  
"For the greater good"

/obscure?
 
2012-06-16 02:37:09 AM  

umad: gweilo8888: If only there were some method of making it so the general public couldn't walk into a store and buy a lethal weapon to point at a four year old...

There is. Amend the constitution. But you were probably looking for an easy way.


Or you could go even further in allowing guns and yet keeping the country safer from those who'd misuse them :D

The original intent of the Second Amendment was to keep people armed so that--if necessary--able-bodied men could form what amounted to home defense forces (the National Guard being an equivalent, but this would have probably been even more explicitly civilian--closest analogue to it anymore in recent US history would have been in WW II with various civilian defense corps). Hence the bit about well-regulated militias and state defense (keep in mind that at the period that the Constitution of 1787 was written, the keeping of a standing army at all was, shall we say, Highly Discouraged).

Interestingly, there's a model of a country where every citizen not only has access to a firearm but are required to keep assault weapons in the home--namely, Switzerland (the one country to have a federal model of government before the US did), which not only has the unusual requirement that people keep weapons in their homes (and also maintain bomb shelters) as a form of Ultimate Homeland Defense but explicitly requires yearly training in the use of these weapons.

Of note--it's also assumed that every citizen of Switzerland by law is a member of the state guard (not just the equivalent of the National Guard but something closer to the intent of the "well regulated militia" of the present US Constitution), and people do have to serve a year or two in the nation's armed forces (I'm not entirely sure if a conscientious objector exemption exists--if so, I suspect they mostly assign objectors to non-weapons roles during their National Service period)--so not sure anything like this would ever fly in the US, seeing as it's loathe to institute a draft if it might target a Senator's son or daughter (oh yes, women are also considered part of the Switzerland defense forces :D). And yes, persons who are legally insane or who otherwise are completely unfit for service are exempted, but they're about the only exemptions to this.

(Switzerland focuses on rehab and reintegration for felons, or (with particularly notorious murders) tends to use mental-health exemptions to prevent release, so the whole "felons can't own guns" doesn't really apply there--completely different concepts of how to deal with dangerous criminals in Switzerland (hell, most of Europe) versus the US which is more retribution/punishment focused.)
 
2012-06-16 02:39:02 AM  

zzrhardy: "For the greater good"

/obscure?


There are at least two levels where it isn't...now, are we talking about Gardening Committees or Xeno Hare Krishnas With Mecha IN SPACE? :D

Not that there's a huge practical difference between the two, but I think we should be told :D
 
2012-06-16 02:42:08 AM  
Lax gun laws and an aging population. Yes, that surely must work out well.
 
2012-06-16 06:32:53 AM  
Don't tread on me!
 
2012-06-16 10:01:42 AM  
So when the cops got to him, he was only wearing his underwear - the question must be asked...did he rub one out after the "incident"? I have a feeling he did.
 
2012-06-16 12:04:11 PM  
Well, this does seem to be a tricky situation. Some people seem to be screaming "where are the parents????" But when I was 16, I babysat frequently. And TFA mentions a kids birthday. The idea that at a birthday party the oldest kid takes them out for a joy ride is not unreasonable. I spent my summers on a farm and kids as young as 9 were taught how to operate ATVs. And 830pm is not dark anymore. The sun might be headed out, but its not like they were sneaking around in the middle of the night. But let's placate the masses and assume these kids were little hellions causing mayhem on his property. The biggest difference between him and some teenagers is that HE IS AN ADULT. If they act like assholes, take a picture, call the police. Don't run out with a gun and then call the police as an after-thought.
A lot of people I admire own guns. Ky dad used to until a crackhead came in and stole his vintage shotgun that was passed down a couple gens, and sawed the thing off. My bestfriends parents own several guns ranging from hunting to hand. And my dad is 68 and my friends parents are late 60s as well. This guy in the TFA, and I am happy about this, will not be owning a gun any longer.

Also, most kids I know apologize at gun point, not say "fark you" as many people here seem to believe. But Hell, maybe that kid doesn't have respect for his own life.

I guess the whole point I'm trying to get across is that he should have acted like an adult. 65 isn't a doddering old man with a long whispy wizard beard. 65 is also not 16 when you have poor impulse control and no common sense.
 
2012-06-16 12:32:02 PM  

PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.


Hilarious that the hypothetical scenario you daintily pulled out of your ass still doesn't justify holding a gun on a four year old and forcing her to eat pavement.
 
2012-06-16 06:12:36 PM  

eddiesocket: PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.

Hilarious that the hypothetical scenario you daintily pulled out of your ass still doesn't justify holding a gun on a four year old and forcing her to eat pavement.



If I read TFA correctly, the gun was trained on the 16y/o almost the entire time and he was just being an asshole to the rest of the kids
 
2012-06-16 07:52:05 PM  
What the fark is wrong with this lunatic?
 
2012-06-16 07:56:42 PM  

craxyd: eddiesocket: PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.

Hilarious that the hypothetical scenario you daintily pulled out of your ass still doesn't justify holding a gun on a four year old and forcing her to eat pavement.


If I read TFA correctly, the gun was trained on the 16y/o almost the entire time and he was just being an asshole to the rest of the kids


You didn't read it correctly. He made them all lie on the ground.Not that it matters. It was also illegal pull a gun on the 16show year old. Honestly, I thought even on Fark, the condemnation of this clearly mentally unstable old coot would be unanimous. But no. There was to be one or two immoral pricks out there, ready to defend the indefensible.
 
2012-06-17 01:20:36 AM  

craxyd: If I read TFA correctly, the gun was trained on the 16y/o almost the entire time and he was just being an asshole to the rest of the kids


He announced that he'd shoot the 16 year old first, implying he wouldn't be the only one shot. If you and I are walking down the street together and a crazed gunman jumps out from behind a dumpster and says to me "I'm gonna kill you first", would you think to yourself "oh cool, I'm not in any danger"?
 
2012-06-17 03:55:08 AM  

Aigoo: PlNG: Everybody is so quick to crucify here. This story seems really one sided. How much you want to bet those kids were trolling, turning around in his driveway like clockwork. Not gentle turnarounds either, but the kind that leave rubber.

I hope you guys never get the sort of real life troll that likes to abuse his rights while staying completely on the side of the law, because frankly the police isn't going to see this as much more than a petty dispute and leave you to resolve it.

The fact that the other guy also reported the issue indicates that there's more to the story than is being reported here.

On the off chance you're not trolling like these Trayvon idiots, let me help you out:

As a gun owner myself, let me assure you that there is absolutely, positively, no reason whatsoever why this man should have even displayed a firearm in this situation, much less pointed one at another human being. A four year old is no threat to a grown man or woman unless that four year old is the living incarnation of Satan (and even then, it's questionable). The ONLY reason ever to draw and aim a firearm is if your life or the life of another is in very real, very significant danger of being ended by the person you are aiming that firearm at.

You. Do. Not. EVER. Point. A. Firearm. Of. Any. Kind. At. Anyone. Or. Anything. You. Are. Not. Completely. Prepared. To. Obliterate.

The neighborhood kids burning rubber in my driveway is not now, nor will it ever be, a legitimate reason for me to use deadly force. And yes, I live in a state where both Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground are on the books and are highly unlikely to be revised or removed regardless of what some bullshiat politically motivated crap in FL based on lies has to say about it. I was also raised in a house full of guns and taught to properly use them when I was 12. No one with any sense who owns a gun can possibly condone this man's actions.


i.imgur.com


/You are now farkied as "gun owner with his head screwed on straight"
 
2012-06-17 02:00:10 PM  

apoptotic: craxyd: If I read TFA correctly, the gun was trained on the 16y/o almost the entire time and he was just being an asshole to the rest of the kids

He announced that he'd shoot the 16 year old first, implying he wouldn't be the only one shot. If you and I are walking down the street together and a crazed gunman jumps out from behind a dumpster and says to me "I'm gonna kill you first", would you think to yourself "oh cool, I'm not in any danger"?



I missed that part
 
2012-06-17 04:00:46 PM  

craxyd: apoptotic: craxyd: If I read TFA correctly, the gun was trained on the 16y/o almost the entire time and he was just being an asshole to the rest of the kids

He announced that he'd shoot the 16 year old first, implying he wouldn't be the only one shot. If you and I are walking down the street together and a crazed gunman jumps out from behind a dumpster and says to me "I'm gonna kill you first", would you think to yourself "oh cool, I'm not in any danger"?


I missed that part


Um...who the fark cares? If had just been the sixteen year old, it would've been just as farking psychotic.
 
2012-06-17 06:29:42 PM  

eddiesocket: craxyd: apoptotic: craxyd: If I read TFA correctly, the gun was trained on the 16y/o almost the entire time and he was just being an asshole to the rest of the kids

He announced that he'd shoot the 16 year old first, implying he wouldn't be the only one shot. If you and I are walking down the street together and a crazed gunman jumps out from behind a dumpster and says to me "I'm gonna kill you first", would you think to yourself "oh cool, I'm not in any danger"?


I missed that part

Um...who the fark cares? If had just been the sixteen year old, it would've been just as farking psychotic.



Very true
 
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