FARK.com: (7164603) In the face of being vastly outspent in the general election, Democrats now soliciting advice from Bill James on how to play "Moneyball" in politics, forgetting the A's were booted in the first round in 2002

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		In the face of being vastly outspent in the general election, Democrats now soliciting advice from Bill James on how to play "Moneyball" in politics, forgetting the A's were booted in the first round in 2002 (huffingtonpost.com)		25
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farkityfarker		2012-06-15 02:23:06 PM

When you're not in the top 1% of the top 1% and you're running in an election where money is everything, you've got to get creative.

karnal		2012-06-15 02:26:46 PM

No worries....All his 1 percent Hollywood friends will be throwing money at him before too long.

/it's about the principle, damit - I mean the money!

Lost Thought 00		2012-06-15 02:34:43 PM

Epic headline fail or deliberate irony?

The Name		2012-06-15 02:36:49 PM

It shouldn't matter how much anyone is spending on the election. If you vote (or choose not to vote) based on what you've seen and heard in political ads, you are an idiot and do not deserve democracy.

Arkanaut		2012-06-15 02:38:51 PM

Bill James is the guy who advised the Red Sox and helped them get two rings.

/Yankees fan
//respect

Ken VeryBigLiar		2012-06-15 03:05:35 PM

Hopefully they aren't using Wisconsin for this template, money was at best a secondary issues here.

bobbette		2012-06-15 03:10:34 PM

We're going to need Fat Jonah Hill, boys. (Skinny Jonah Hill is just not as effective. Sorry.)

zetar		2012-06-15 03:12:47 PM

Arkanaut: Bill James is the guy who advised the Red Sox and helped them get two rings.

/Yankees fan
//respect

Just came here to say that.

/ Not the Yankees fan thing, though.

hbk72777		2012-06-15 03:13:56 PM

farkityfarker: When you're not in the top 1% of the top 1% and you're running in an election where money is everything, you've got to get creative.

Like $40,000 a plate dinners, thrown by your rich celebrity friends, who love everything you do, because it doesn't affect their way of life?

Brick-House		2012-06-15 03:25:27 PM

Good movie though.

Brubold		2012-06-15 03:29:51 PM

farkityfarker: When you're not in the top 1% of the top 1% and you're running in an election where money is everything, you've got to get creative.

Says a person who I assume is backing the candidate that out raised McCain by around $250 million in 2008.

Brubold		2012-06-15 03:31:56 PM

The Name		2012-06-15 03:38:00 PM

Brubold: The Name: It shouldn't matter how much anyone is spending on the election. If you vote (or choose not to vote) based on what you've seen and heard in political ads, you are an idiot and do not deserve democracy.

While I agree, this pretty much means America no longer deserves a Republic (it never has been a Democracy).

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Lucky LaRue		2012-06-15 03:51:41 PM

The Name: It shouldn't matter how much anyone is spending on the election. If you vote (or choose not to vote) based on what you've seen and heard in political ads, you are an idiot and do not deserve democracy.

The fact is, most people *are* informed by political ads. That's why there is so damn many of them - they are effective. Does this make them idiots? I don't know. Maybe - for the sake of the discussion, though, I'll say "Yes". The real question, then, is whether their idiocy should preclude them from the free and open political process know as "democracy". Personally, I think that even the knuckle-draggers in our society have a right to participate in choosing who will lead them. And, while I often bemoan the lack of knowledge and interest in our political process, I wouldn't be able to consider my own behavior "democratic" if I went around judging who is and is not deserving of political freedom.

tforbes		2012-06-15 03:57:12 PM

downstairs		2012-06-15 05:04:43 PM

Arkanaut: Bill James is the guy who advised the Red Sox and helped them get two rings.

/Yankees fan
//respect

Yes, he proved "moneyball" works very well if you have.... money!

ComicBookGuy		2012-06-15 05:26:08 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Hopefully they aren't using Wisconsin for this template, money was at best a secondary issues here.

Your name gives you away.

DeaH		2012-06-15 06:00:15 PM

Lucky LaRue: The Name: It shouldn't matter how much anyone is spending on the election. If you vote (or choose not to vote) based on what you've seen and heard in political ads, you are an idiot and do not deserve democracy.

The fact is, most people *are* informed by political ads. That's why there is so damn many of them - they are effective. Does this make them idiots? I don't know. Maybe - for the sake of the discussion, though, I'll say "Yes". The real question, then, is whether their idiocy should preclude them from the free and open political process know as "democracy". Personally, I think that even the knuckle-draggers in our society have a right to participate in choosing who will lead them. And, while I often bemoan the lack of knowledge and interest in our political process, I wouldn't be able to consider my own behavior "democratic" if I went around judging who is and is not deserving of political freedom.

Not only that, but non-stop ads create a "feeling" that often over-shadows fact. George W. Bush won his re-election based on 9/11, spun into a positive thing. The most serious attack on American soil was spun as a positive, and it worked. And, he didn't even go after the guy who did it; he went after a totally different bad guy. And he campaigned on 9/11 like it was the single most shining moment of his campaign. It worked, too. Why? Advertising and controlling the message.

Ken VeryBigLiar		2012-06-15 06:08:12 PM

ComicBookGuy: Ken VeryBigLiar: Hopefully they aren't using Wisconsin for this template, money was at best a secondary issues here.

Your name gives you away.

Really? Do you live here or know a number of people who do? Then kindly STFU. Because even if the disparity was 7:1, hell even 100:1, it isn't a good example for them to build any kind of facts off of. The issues ran WAY deeper than groups like the Koch's or AFSCME throwing money into that race like it was a penny slot machine.

The Name		2012-06-15 06:31:01 PM

Lucky LaRue: The Name: It shouldn't matter how much anyone is spending on the election. If you vote (or choose not to vote) based on what you've seen and heard in political ads, you are an idiot and do not deserve democracy.

The fact is, most people *are* informed by political ads. That's why there is so damn many of them - they are effective. Does this make them idiots? I don't know. Maybe - for the sake of the discussion, though, I'll say "Yes". The real question, then, is whether their idiocy should preclude them from the free and open political process know as "democracy". Personally, I think that even the knuckle-draggers in our society have a right to participate in choosing who will lead them. And, while I often bemoan the lack of knowledge and interest in our political process, I wouldn't be able to consider my own behavior "democratic" if I went around judging who is and is not deserving of political freedom.

Well right, actually going around and taking away people's political freedoms based on whether or not they're an idiot (however that is to be defined and determined) is hardly democratic. I wasn't implying that we should do that.

But please, assuming that we stick to the principle that, in practice, everyone should be allowed to participate in democracy, I think it's safe to say solely for the purpose of discussion and observation that people who get most of their information from political ads should not be voting. The Tea Party states are currently showing us exactly what happens when those people vote in large numbers, and I do not think it's undemocratic or rude to call them out.

Lord Zardoz		2012-06-15 06:38:55 PM

Best line from the article:

"Anything that threatens to connect political operatives with reality is therefore likely to be viewed with some suspicion."

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jjorsett		2012-06-15 08:25:11 PM

Personally, I think a campaign based on mitigating deer crashes would address a long-ignored but critical issue of our times.

TheBigJerk		2012-06-15 10:53:54 PM

karnal: No worries....All his 1 percent Hollywood friends will be throwing money at him before too long.

/it's about the principle, damit - I mean the money!

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sendtodave		2012-06-16 08:27:14 AM

The Name: It shouldn't matter how much anyone is spending on the election. If you vote (or choose not to vote) based on what you've seen and heard in political ads, you are an idiot and do not deserve democracy.

You're basically saying that anyone who is persuaded by advertising shouldn't be able to buy the product.

Advertising is designed to persuade. That's the point of it. It works.

ComicBookGuy		2012-06-16 08:56:19 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: ComicBookGuy: Ken VeryBigLiar: Hopefully they aren't using Wisconsin for this template, money was at best a secondary issues here.

Your name gives you away.

Really? Do you live here or know a number of people who do? Then kindly STFU. Because even if the disparity was 7:1, hell even 100:1, it isn't a good example for them to build any kind of facts off of. The issues ran WAY deeper than groups like the Koch's or AFSCME throwing money into that race like it was a penny slot machine.

My father is from Eau Claire, and I still have significant family in the state.

People are stupid, and allow themselves to be swayed by floods of propaganda, and that propaganda is fueled by money. Why do you suppose a good 40% of our population support an economic ideology which benefits a TINY number of people at the expense of everyone else?

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