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2012-06-15 01:13:31 PM  

qorkfiend: What have the Democrats done that's moved them towards "polarizing extremism"?


Some of the blind union support for one. I am a proponent of unions, but I do think that perhaps some of them are counter productive, protecting bad productivity in their workers without giving employers any recourse to correct that. Where we have people being fired because they lack seniority rather than the merit of their work really seems to be a problem. I also think pushing for spending increases in certain areas is a poor decision too, at this point in time, and increasing taxes on people who are not millionaires but already being taxed between the state and the feds at over 40% their income is not really a great way to win support for your causes.
 
2012-06-15 01:14:27 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: LasersHurt: The hispanic population has never been a bigger group. There's a good chance that, even if a few people "switch sides" because they're offended by this, he'll pick up as many votes from people who are FOR it.

Ultra-liberals like to think that the illegal immigration issues isn't as partisan as it really is. This isn't like the issue of gay marriage where every day an independent changes their stance and an old bigot dies off increasing the amount of people in favor of it.
The economy has been doing bad and people want help. Helping a group of people who 1) can't vote and 2) now can get work permits doesn't really stand well with those who are unemployed.

It's not hispanics that decide presidential elections, it's independents. California has a huge growing hispanic population, but did they get any more electoral votes? Fark no.

The last thing Obama needed to do before the election was touch this issue.


Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.
 
2012-06-15 01:15:08 PM  

qorkfiend: gulogulo: I'm growing ever more resentful of both parties move to their polarizing extremism.

What have the Democrats done that's moved them towards "polarizing extremism"?


You don't remember "elections have consequences" and the steamrolling legislation through congress?

LasersHurt: And do you think Romney will get it lower without a high cost?


The same way he did as a successful Business Executive when he was in the private sector.
 
2012-06-15 01:15:12 PM  

qorkfiend: gulogulo: I'm growing ever more resentful of both parties move to their polarizing extremism.

What have the Democrats done that's moved them towards "polarizing extremism"?


Crossed the aisle?
 
2012-06-15 01:16:46 PM  

Rapmaster2000: He always had a severe disadvantage among the white working class. Like a 7:3 disadvantage. The math on this has been figured in just like when support for gay marriage was going to lose him the black vote.


He's always had a severe advantage among hispanics, so? Like I said, ultra-libs overestimate how popular illegal immigration is and the math doesn't seem to hold water when you get to the swing states. Florida? Maybe. Nevada? possibly. But that's about it. I'm sure an independent unemployed voter in Ohio would be thrilled to hear that they now have to complete with illegal immigrants for a job.
 
2012-06-15 01:17:27 PM  

I_C_Weener: Rich Cream: I_C_Weener: Rich Cream: Things are a little less sucky than they used to be. Everything's fine again!

/dead opposite of yesterday's military budget justification "if we cut the budget we won't overpower the world as much as we do now"

To use the Mitt Romney was born on third base, he didn't hit a triple analogy. The economy was on third base rounding home in 2007 when the Ump called a bad play...putting the economy on first base. Since then, the economy has managed to steal second base three times but been called back 2 times.


I don't know, is on third base.

What?



Exactly.
 
2012-06-15 01:19:35 PM  

Fart_Machine: Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.


I'm not seeing how the bolded section was ever an opportunity for the GOP with the exception of Cuban refugees in Florida.
 
2012-06-15 01:20:04 PM  

Shaggy_C: You don't remember "elections have consequences" and the steamrolling legislation through congress?


Yeah. That too. As much as I am a big supporter of healthcare reform, the way it was handled by our congresscritters was really sort of the "screw you, we won" polarization that garners a lot of well deserved criticism.

And finally, while it wasn't run by our politicians, it has a strong Democratic following (much like the Republican counterpart of the TEA Party), OWS was a ridiculous clusterfark. I had hope when it first started, as they had captivated the attention of the nation. It was lightening in a jar, and maybe, just maybe some real challenge to Citizens United and the cronyism in our congress. Instead, it turned into an excuse for the stoners and students who didn't want to go to class to band together and accomplish nothing under a set of utterly retarded misguided "we don't need any kind of organization!" rule while advocating for things that no one could ever given them. Even my most lefty left friends who protest just about everything agree with this sentiment.
 
2012-06-15 01:20:47 PM  

Shaggy_C: qorkfiend: gulogulo: I'm growing ever more resentful of both parties move to their polarizing extremism.

What have the Democrats done that's moved them towards "polarizing extremism"?

You don't remember "elections have consequences" and the steamrolling legislation through congress?

LasersHurt: And do you think Romney will get it lower without a high cost?

The same way he did as a successful Business Executive when he was in the private sector.


I remember how well that worked out. And given how similar a business is to a nation, it's practically a no-brainer.
 
2012-06-15 01:21:24 PM  

Shaggy_C: You don't remember "elections have consequences" and the steamrolling legislation through congress?


What legislation have they passed that represents a move towards "polarizing extremism"? Simply passing legislation when you're in the majority doesn't count.

gulogulo: qorkfiend: What have the Democrats done that's moved them towards "polarizing extremism"?

Some of the blind union support for one. I am a proponent of unions, but I do think that perhaps some of them are counter productive, protecting bad productivity in their workers without giving employers any recourse to correct that. Where we have people being fired because they lack seniority rather than the merit of their work really seems to be a problem. I also think pushing for spending increases in certain areas is a poor decision too, at this point in time, and increasing taxes on people who are not millionaires but already being taxed between the state and the feds at over 40% their income is not really a great way to win support for your causes.


Those are core Democratic planks and have been for years, and do not represent a move towards any sort of extreme. They're only viewed as "extreme" because the Republicans have shifted so far to the right. If the Democrats have moved at all, they've moved rightward, not leftward.
 
2012-06-15 01:22:20 PM  

loveblondieo: That's news to me and the rest of us on unemployment.


THIS!! The recession is over for rich bastards whose stock portfolios are doing great, but regular Americans are permanently farked.
 
2012-06-15 01:22:22 PM  

gulogulo: Where we have people being fired because they lack seniority rather than the merit of their work really seems to be a problem.


Every job I have ever had hiring, firing and promotions are based upon brown-nosing, not productivity. Also, they seem to have had only a tenuous grasp of real productivity. Most did not take kindly to me documenting that yes, other techs process more tickets, but their higher rate for return and followup work-orders more than eliminates their apparently higher productivity.
 
2012-06-15 01:23:16 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Obama and "the liberals" are responsible for Medicare Part-D.


Sorry to veer off-topic, but the utter silence regarding part D has always perplexed me, particularly since a very short time later my ears were ringing from having SOCIALIST screamed in them leading up to and immediately after Obama's election.

Republican signs something that costs money and assists American citizens = okie-dokie.

Democrat hints at doing something similar = 25% of the country hijacking 100% of the media with pants-sh*tting apoplexy. Doom and gloom. 1930s Germany. Crying eagles.

This is one of the reasons it's difficult not to wonder what truly motivates some people's hatred of Obama. It's clearly not his fiscal politics when you're willing to give a pass to the guy who just did the same thing you're currently angry about.
 
2012-06-15 01:23:58 PM  

qorkfiend: Those are core Democratic planks and have been for years, and do not represent a move towards any sort of extreme. They're only viewed as "extreme" because the Republicans have shifted so far to the right. If the Democrats have moved at all, they've moved rightward, not leftward.


Our political opinions and what is extreme and what is not is fluid as the years go on. Blind support of unions IS extreme now when it is shown to reduce productivity and cost more than what we are getting out of it. That may not have been the case when the Democrats were first supporting it now, but that has changed. It is polarizing and it's ridiculous to hold onto a notion that no longer works.
 
2012-06-15 01:24:17 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Fart_Machine: Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.

I'm not seeing how the bolded section was ever an opportunity for the GOP with the exception of Cuban refugees in Florida.


You seem to have missed the social conservative part. Hispanics were never really a force in areas like California until politicians like Pete Wilson mobilized them with the "der takin ur jerbs" rhetoric and 187.

How much traction have guys like Tancredo gotten with independent voters?
 
2012-06-15 01:25:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Lando Lincoln: LasersHurt: Interesting that the Romney campaign is doubling down on the "the economy isn't fine" line of attack when indicators are all positive, if slow. It's a risky maneuver to put yourself on the opposite side of hard data.

You act like the GOP has not mastered the art of cognitive dissonance.

They dodge facts better than Neo dodges bullets.

In the last month, the biggest GOP supporters at my job have claimed:
Obama has killed oil production in the US.
Obama has killed coal production in the US.
Obama and "the liberals" are responsible for Medicare Part-D.

(another great one from that conversation: always carry a gun with you if you have to travel to Virginia and any state north of that because the Liberals have fired so many cops that all those states are so dangerous crime infested hell holes because the liberals don't want to arrest any criminals and now you can't travel through Virginia and Pennsylvania and New York without getting raped robbed and murdered because of the liberals hating guns)


Jeebus H. Christmas, do you work for/with Ted Nugent? That is some wepaons grade stupid right there.

TeaBagging Patriots (TM): Entitled to not only their own opinons, but their own facts!
 
2012-06-15 01:25:59 PM  

bootman: Most did not take kindly to me documenting that yes, other techs process more tickets, but their higher rate for return and followup work-orders more than eliminates their apparently higher productivity.


You have to work the metrics, not work the tasks. That's one of the basic rules of corporate life man. You can't get too focused on solving problems when the important thing is the metrics that show you solved problems.
 
2012-06-15 01:26:31 PM  

bootman: Every job I have ever had hiring, firing and promotions are based upon brown-nosing, not productivity. Also, they seem to have had only a tenuous grasp of real productivity. Most did not take kindly to me documenting that yes, other techs process more tickets, but their higher rate for return and followup work-orders more than eliminates their apparently higher productivity.


So, we should keep teachers that are failing to teach our students? I know the system right now isn't set up to appropriately 'grade' a teacher's performance, but there needs to be one. There are horrendous teachers out there being protected and paid to screw up our education system, and I think that's 'extreme' to advocate for that kind of system.
 
2012-06-15 01:27:04 PM  

bootman: gulogulo: Where we have people being fired because they lack seniority rather than the merit of their work really seems to be a problem.

Every job I have ever had hiring, firing and promotions are based upon brown-nosing, not productivity. Also, they seem to have had only a tenuous grasp of real productivity. Most did not take kindly to me documenting that yes, other techs process more tickets, but their higher rate for return and followup work-orders more than eliminates their apparently higher productivity.


Or you have the Peter Principle which is still alive and well in the private sector.
 
2012-06-15 01:27:09 PM  

LasersHurt: I remember how well that worked out. And given how similar a business is to a nation, it's practically a no-brainer.


The president is called the "Chief Executive". Coincidence? I think not.

gulogulo: And finally, while it wasn't run by our politicians, it has a strong Democratic following (much like the Republican counterpart of the TEA Party), OWS was a ridiculous clusterfark.


I don't blame Obama for that though; he's the enemy of the OWS people. They showed up at the NATO summit to protest him. The same can't be said of the Tea Partiers and, well, any Republican politician, unless there's a primary race happening. As soon as it's over though, they fall right back in line.

/ah, who am I kidding...The OWS junkies will still vote for Obama
 
2012-06-15 01:29:09 PM  

gulogulo: So, we should keep teachers that are failing to teach our students? I know the system right now isn't set up to appropriately 'grade' a teacher's performance, but there needs to be one. There are horrendous teachers out there being protected and paid to screw up our education system, and I think that's 'extreme' to advocate for that kind of system.


I agree, and I think the most entertaining way to handle that problem is to propose a law that would prohibit teachers unions from making political contributions. The resulting "money equals speech" debate with the teams reversed would tickle the shiat out of me.
 
2012-06-15 01:29:21 PM  

Shaggy_C: I don't blame Obama for that though; he's the enemy of the OWS people. They showed up at the NATO summit to protest him. The same can't be said of the Tea Partiers and, well, any Republican politician, unless there's a primary race happening. As soon as it's over though, they fall right back in line.

/ah, who am I kidding...The OWS junkies will still vote for Obama



Yeah, I agree. OWS wasn't his fault at all, or any politicians. But, I marvel at stuff like OWS and wonder if my party isn't really full of idealistic idiots.
 
2012-06-15 01:32:32 PM  

Fart_Machine: Guidette Frankentits: LasersHurt: The hispanic population has never been a bigger group. There's a good chance that, even if a few people "switch sides" because they're offended by this, he'll pick up as many votes from people who are FOR it.

Ultra-liberals like to think that the illegal immigration issues isn't as partisan as it really is. This isn't like the issue of gay marriage where every day an independent changes their stance and an old bigot dies off increasing the amount of people in favor of it.
The economy has been doing bad and people want help. Helping a group of people who 1) can't vote and 2) now can get work permits doesn't really stand well with those who are unemployed.

It's not hispanics that decide presidential elections, it's independents. California has a huge growing hispanic population, but did they get any more electoral votes? Fark no.

The last thing Obama needed to do before the election was touch this issue.

Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.


at least some republicans are finally doing the right thing for americans.

if you are not a nativist after we lost 8 million jobs in the recession that ended 3 years ago and have barely made a dent in replacing them,
we have 8.2% unemployment,
and we need to create 127,000 jobs a month just to keep unemployment from rising (to keep up with population growth which is almost completely the result of massive immigration),
and which we can barely do at this point it seems,
well then you're a f*cking lunatic or you just never gave a shiat about he middle or working class.
 
2012-06-15 01:32:50 PM  

paygun: gulogulo: So, we should keep teachers that are failing to teach our students? I know the system right now isn't set up to appropriately 'grade' a teacher's performance, but there needs to be one. There are horrendous teachers out there being protected and paid to screw up our education system, and I think that's 'extreme' to advocate for that kind of system.

I agree, and I think the most entertaining way to handle that problem is to propose a law that would prohibit teachers unions from making political contributions. The resulting "money equals speech" debate with the teams reversed would tickle the shiat out of me.


Yes we definitely need corporations to have more money in government. They have too little influence already. It's all those darn teachers unions.
 
2012-06-15 01:34:34 PM  

Fart_Machine: Yes we definitely need corporations to have more money in government. They have too little influence already. It's all those darn teachers unions.


See, I got a little taste of it right there!
 
2012-06-15 01:35:37 PM  

relcec: Fart_Machine: Guidette Frankentits: LasersHurt: The hispanic population has never been a bigger group. There's a good chance that, even if a few people "switch sides" because they're offended by this, he'll pick up as many votes from people who are FOR it.

Ultra-liberals like to think that the illegal immigration issues isn't as partisan as it really is. This isn't like the issue of gay marriage where every day an independent changes their stance and an old bigot dies off increasing the amount of people in favor of it.
The economy has been doing bad and people want help. Helping a group of people who 1) can't vote and 2) now can get work permits doesn't really stand well with those who are unemployed.

It's not hispanics that decide presidential elections, it's independents. California has a huge growing hispanic population, but did they get any more electoral votes? Fark no.

The last thing Obama needed to do before the election was touch this issue.

Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.

at least some republicans are finally doing the right thing for americans.

if you are not a nativist after we lost 8 million jobs in the recession that ended 3 years ago and have barely made a dent in replacing them,
we have 8.2% unemployment,
and we need to create 127,000 jobs a month just to keep unemployment from rising (to keep up with population growth which is almost completely the result of massive immigration),
and which we can barely do at this point it seems,
well then you're a f*cking lunatic or you just never gave a shiat about he middle or working class.


Dey took r jerbs!
 
2012-06-15 01:35:40 PM  

bmongar: loveblondieo: That's news to me and the rest of us on unemployment.

As any conservative will tell you, people receiving unemployment are just lazy government dependents. IF you didn't get government benefits you would be working now.


Sure. If there aren't people hiring, or nobody's offering a wage that won't leave you homeless, well, there's always demand for heroin, and you can raise startup capital through armed robbery. If even that doesn't work, at least now you've earned yourself a spot in jail, where they have to give you 3 hots and a cot! Conservatives never think things all the way through, I guess... To some extent, that's the farked up society we're already living in. Now let's make it worse by pulling the rug out from under even more people, in the hope that somehow, that will fix it!
 
2012-06-15 01:36:18 PM  

paygun: Fart_Machine: Yes we definitely need corporations to have more money in government. They have too little influence already. It's all those darn teachers unions.

See, I got a little taste of it right there!


Because that's what you actually believe?
 
2012-06-15 01:38:34 PM  

Fart_Machine: Because that's what you actually believe?


see below:

paygun: The resulting "money equals speech" debate with the teams reversed would tickle the shiat out of me.

 
2012-06-15 01:39:21 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Rapmaster2000: He always had a severe disadvantage among the white working class. Like a 7:3 disadvantage. The math on this has been figured in just like when support for gay marriage was going to lose him the black vote.

He's always had a severe advantage among hispanics, so? Like I said, ultra-libs overestimate how popular illegal immigration is and the math doesn't seem to hold water when you get to the swing states. Florida? Maybe. Nevada? possibly. But that's about it. I'm sure an independent unemployed voter in Ohio would be thrilled to hear that they now have to complete with illegal immigrants for a job.


I'm pretty sure ultralib Fartbama Usurper in Chief is well aware how unpopular illegal immigrants are with the people who vacation in Myrtle Beach, but your concern has been noted.
 
2012-06-15 01:40:53 PM  

Fart_Machine: relcec: Fart_Machine: Guidette Frankentits: LasersHurt: The hispanic population has never been a bigger group. There's a good chance that, even if a few people "switch sides" because they're offended by this, he'll pick up as many votes from people who are FOR it.

Ultra-liberals like to think that the illegal immigration issues isn't as partisan as it really is. This isn't like the issue of gay marriage where every day an independent changes their stance and an old bigot dies off increasing the amount of people in favor of it.
The economy has been doing bad and people want help. Helping a group of people who 1) can't vote and 2) now can get work permits doesn't really stand well with those who are unemployed.

It's not hispanics that decide presidential elections, it's independents. California has a huge growing hispanic population, but did they get any more electoral votes? Fark no.

The last thing Obama needed to do before the election was touch this issue.

Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.

at least some republicans are finally doing the right thing for americans.

if you are not a nativist after we lost 8 million jobs in the recession that ended 3 years ago and have barely made a dent in replacing them,
we have 8.2% unemployment,
and we need to create 127,000 jobs a month just to keep unemployment from rising (to keep up with population growth which is almost completely the result of massive immigration),
and which we can barely do at this point it seems,
well then you're a f*cking lunatic or you just never gave a shiat about he middle or working class.

Dey took r jerbs!


great argument.

those pre housing crisis jobs are never coming back.
you better seriously reconsider your generosity at handing out 127,000 jobs every month to foreigners that american citizens ould have loved to have.
you better be a f*cking nativist.
if your not, your begging for neoserfdom and the conditions those foreigners are running away from.
 
2012-06-15 01:42:42 PM  

paygun: Fart_Machine: Because that's what you actually believe?

see below:

paygun: The resulting "money equals speech" debate with the teams reversed would tickle the shiat out of me.


I'm actually in favor of limitations that were taken away due to Citizens United which covered both unions and corporations. But I'm tickled that you only want to concentrate on one side of the equation.
 
2012-06-15 01:43:19 PM  

LasersHurt: Interesting that the Romney campaign is doubling down on the "the economy isn't fine" line of attack when indicators are all positive, if slow. It's a risky maneuver to put yourself on the opposite side of hard data.


Interesting. Since unemployment is still higer than when he took office and is trending back up.

Unemployment applications went up last week.
 
2012-06-15 01:43:58 PM  

loveblondieo: That's news to me and the rest of us on unemployment.


Retrain. You only live once! I went to school for IT and ended up not in IT. Ended up doing slot machine work and probably better off... Find something different!
 
2012-06-15 01:44:17 PM  

Fart_Machine: But I'm tickled that you only want to concentrate on one side of the equation.


That's exactly opposite of my point. My point is that both sides seem to feel that the only bad money that influences politics is the other guy's money. I think campaigns should be publicly funded.
 
2012-06-15 01:45:46 PM  

gulogulo: Yeah, I agree. OWS wasn't his fault at all, or any politicians. But, I marvel at stuff like OWS and wonder if my party isn't really full of idealistic idiots.


Given the track record of reasoned pragmatism (keep the Bush tax cuts going, let drug and insurance companies write health care legislation in exchange for killing single payer and public option, continuing torture in Gitmo and other black sites, et al), I'd say we need more "idiots" whose votes aren't already bought before the first debate.
 
2012-06-15 01:45:54 PM  

relcec: Fart_Machine: relcec: Fart_Machine: Guidette Frankentits: LasersHurt: The hispanic population has never been a bigger group. There's a good chance that, even if a few people "switch sides" because they're offended by this, he'll pick up as many votes from people who are FOR it.

Ultra-liberals like to think that the illegal immigration issues isn't as partisan as it really is. This isn't like the issue of gay marriage where every day an independent changes their stance and an old bigot dies off increasing the amount of people in favor of it.
The economy has been doing bad and people want help. Helping a group of people who 1) can't vote and 2) now can get work permits doesn't really stand well with those who are unemployed.

It's not hispanics that decide presidential elections, it's independents. California has a huge growing hispanic population, but did they get any more electoral votes? Fark no.

The last thing Obama needed to do before the election was touch this issue.

Oddly enough Republicans have only managed to lose votes when they play for the nativists. Hispanics were a prime demographic for the GOP to take advantage of since they're predominantly social conservatives. Instead they shot themselves in the foot and now want to take aim at the other one.

at least some republicans are finally doing the right thing for americans.

if you are not a nativist after we lost 8 million jobs in the recession that ended 3 years ago and have barely made a dent in replacing them,
we have 8.2% unemployment,
and we need to create 127,000 jobs a month just to keep unemployment from rising (to keep up with population growth which is almost completely the result of massive immigration),
and which we can barely do at this point it seems,
well then you're a f*cking lunatic or you just never gave a shiat about he middle or working class.

Dey took r jerbs!

great argument.

those pre housing crisis jobs are never coming back.
you better seriously reconsider your generosity at handing out 127,000 jobs every month to foreigners that american citizens ould have loved to have.
you better be a f*cking nativist.
if your not, your begging for neoserfdom and the conditions those foreigners are running away from.


Yes everything is due to brown people stealing our jobs. I know that's your shtick and I'm sure you get plenty of hi5s on Stormfront. Please kill yourself. Seriously.
 
2012-06-15 01:46:51 PM  

paygun: Fart_Machine: But I'm tickled that you only want to concentrate on one side of the equation.

That's exactly opposite of my point. My point is that both sides seem to feel that the only bad money that influences politics is the other guy's money. I think campaigns should be publicly funded.


BSABVR
 
2012-06-15 01:47:29 PM  

TIKIMAN87: LasersHurt: Interesting that the Romney campaign is doubling down on the "the economy isn't fine" line of attack when indicators are all positive, if slow. It's a risky maneuver to put yourself on the opposite side of hard data.

Interesting. Since unemployment is still higer than when he took office and is trending back up.

Unemployment applications went up last week.


You have literally no idea what the word "trending" means, do you? Or, apparently, that there are more metrics in play than last week's numbers?
 
2012-06-15 01:49:22 PM  

LasersHurt: Interesting that the Romney campaign is doubling down on the "the economy isn't fine" line of attack when indicators are all positive, if slow. It's a risky maneuver to put yourself on the opposite side of hard data.


What does it say about someone's ability to run an economy when he can't tell if it's in recession or not.

Romney will take us to war with Iran. That might be good for business but it's lousy for 19-25 year olds.
And the deficit. And the debt.
 
2012-06-15 01:50:11 PM  

Fart_Machine: BSABVR


Yep, you can tell by the Democrat position I've taken against "money equals speech" that I must be a Republican shill. I also side with the left on every social issue, which is just more proof that I must be one of the boogeymen behind every tree.

Remain vigilant, friend.
 
2012-06-15 01:50:40 PM  

Rich Cream: I_C_Weener: Rich Cream: I_C_Weener: Rich Cream: Things are a little less sucky than they used to be. Everything's fine again!

/dead opposite of yesterday's military budget justification "if we cut the budget we won't overpower the world as much as we do now"

To use the Mitt Romney was born on third base, he didn't hit a triple analogy. The economy was on third base rounding home in 2007 when the Ump called a bad play...putting the economy on first base. Since then, the economy has managed to steal second base three times but been called back 2 times.


I don't know, is on third base.

What?

Exactly.


GETOUTTAHERE!!!
 
2012-06-15 01:51:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Lando Lincoln: LasersHurt: Interesting that the Romney campaign is doubling down on the "the economy isn't fine" line of attack when indicators are all positive, if slow. It's a risky maneuver to put yourself on the opposite side of hard data.

You act like the GOP has not mastered the art of cognitive dissonance.

They dodge facts better than Neo dodges bullets.

In the last month, the biggest GOP supporters at my job have claimed:
Obama has killed oil production in the US.
Obama has killed coal production in the US.
Obama and "the liberals" are responsible for Medicare Part-D.

(another great one from that conversation: always carry a gun with you if you have to travel to Virginia and any state north of that because the Liberals have fired so many cops that all those states are so dangerous crime infested hell holes because the liberals don't want to arrest any criminals and now you can't travel through Virginia and Pennsylvania and New York without getting raped robbed and murdered because of the liberals hating guns)


PA has generous carry laws and castle doctrine. Bad example for "Liberal Gun laws".

We're just not shooting the crap out of each other, like Florida.
 
2012-06-15 01:51:49 PM  

relcec:

those pre housing crisis jobs are never coming back.
you better seriously reconsider your generosit ...


I understand that you're concerned and upset and I'm not surprised. Immigrants always become a big problem when people fee that their opportunities for advancement are deteriorating.

But they aren't your problem. You're down in the hole with them.

BTW, this is going to serious problem for this country. People are looking at where their parents were and where they are compared to 20 years ago and they aren't feeling like they're getting anywhere. The immigrants are going to bear the brunt of this like. Nevermind that net Mexican migration is 0% right now. Things are bad so the powerless have to blame someone - preferably those less powerful.
 
2012-06-15 01:52:15 PM  

LasersHurt: TIKIMAN87: LasersHurt: Interesting that the Romney campaign is doubling down on the "the economy isn't fine" line of attack when indicators are all positive, if slow. It's a risky maneuver to put yourself on the opposite side of hard data.

Interesting. Since unemployment is still higer than when he took office and is trending back up.

Unemployment applications went up last week.

You have literally no idea what the word "trending" means, do you? Or, apparently, that there are more metrics in play than last week's numbers?


I forgot to add that last months unemployment was adjusted by 49,000 more people laid off.

Yup everything is FINE!
 
2012-06-15 01:54:46 PM  

paygun: Fart_Machine: BSABVR

Yep, you can tell by the Democrat position I've taken against "money equals speech" that I must be a Republican shill. I also side with the left on every social issue, which is just more proof that I must be one of the boogeymen behind every tree.

Remain vigilant, friend.


Your position was that unions r bad and that you would get your jollies if we removed their political funding power. When I mentioned the other side your response was uh that too. You sound totally legit.
 
2012-06-15 01:55:10 PM  

soy_bomb: paygun: God's Hubris: Or perhaps you should advise the GOP House they aren't doing enough.

The root of our economic problems go back to the Bush administration. By that I mean only the democrats in congress at the time, not Bush or any republicans.

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That graph would be funny if it weren't so sad.
 
2012-06-15 01:56:12 PM  
Ithaca, NY is a "metro area"? Since when?
 
2012-06-15 01:58:53 PM  

Fart_Machine: Your position was that unions r bad and that you would get your jollies if we removed their political funding power.


Yeah, that's exactly what I meant when I didn't say that.
 
2012-06-15 02:04:48 PM  

gulogulo: So, we should keep teachers that are failing to teach our students? I know the system right now isn't set up to appropriately 'grade' a teacher's performance, but there needs to be one. There are horrendous teachers out there being protected and paid to screw up our education system, and I think that's 'extreme' to advocate for that kind of system.


Yes, some teachers suck. But the only answer the right proposes to address failing teachers is cuts. When the only tool that their cosmology allows is spending cuts everything starts to look like useless bureaucracy.

A solution may be to engage teachers, administrators, unions, universities, researchers, neurologists and childhood development experts. Give them a huge pile of money and find out how developing brains learn and update teaching methods with the best scientifically proven and statistically sound methods. This, of course would be a complete anathema to the right's ideas, using science, facts and professors to solve an issue rather than privatization or cuts as the solution.
 
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