Better than having a bunch of militant Islamic whack balls in charge.

Sybarite: iheartscotch: Sybarite: Seems like the military has managed to roll back almost every gain made by the revolution and Shafik's election would be the nail in the coffin.

Would you prefer that the Muslim brotherhood won the election? This way, Egypt MIGHT stay secular.

/ both are bad options; one, however, is slightly better than the other


I'm fine with whomever the Egyptian people choose in a free and fair election. Their degree of secularism is their business and would have been hashed out in the constitutional committee had the process been allowed to continue. As mentioned above, the MB are the radical boogeyman that certain shrill sections of the western media want people to believe. They were clearly the dominant choice of the very same people who were out in the streets risking their lives to overthrow Mubarak. Democracy is messy, but it is always preferable to dictatorship, yes even when the results are not what Americans want.

I see; so the HAMAS maneuver? Let them elect whoever they want and they'll see that they were better at firing rockets; than actually running government? That worked so well last time.

I seem to remember the candidate for the Muslim Brotherhood promising to destroy israel and create an Arab Caliphite with Egypt at its center.

I do agree that they have the right to elect whomever they wish; I also agree that democracy is messy. But, my point was, neither option is good in the long run. One is ever so slightly better for US / Egypt relations

/ the whole thing is a mess; I wonder what the blue book value is on a ~ 6 billion year old planet, inhabited by slightly hairy, psychotic apes.

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: You're only allowed to firebomb them if they are asylum seekers looking for work.

You are not allowed to firebomb anyone and they are not asylum seekers but illegal work seeking aliens. If they were asylum seekers the definition changed when they paid lots of money to cross over 2 more countries to enter Israel illegally because they know life in Israel is a lot better than other neighboring countries.

But don't let actual facts derail your bullshiat, carry on.

Huh. Well at least by booting them out they might avoid being attacked by a mob of racists in Israel. That's kind of nice.

Read all about it

Sybarite: You've created a false equivalency between the people of Egypt voting in the Muslim Brotherhood to a dominant political position and a theocracy. Sure, if power were handed over to a council of imams and subsequent elections were suspended, it would constitute a theocracy, but neither you nor anyone else has the slightest shred of evidence that would happen. As long as final power continues to rest in the hand of the people, it's a democracy. Perhaps most Egyptians desire a court system based on Sharia law. It's not a country I'd want to live in, but that doesn't mean it's somehow anti-Democratic. A number of countries the United States is closely allied with base their court systems on exactly that, and in several cases that's been without any input from the people. Once again, the choice should be that of Egyptian people, not the military, not the remnants of the Mubarak regime, and certainly not you and me.


Well see that's where you are wrong. Democracy is inherently secular though it may be influenced by a particular religion, incorporate a state sanctioned religion, or delegate some aspects of the legal system to a religious body. However it presupposes that there is a greater civil legal construct.

Thus a system of government that directly incorporates religious groups who provide core functions for the government (such as administering law) is not, in a classic sense, democratic. In fact it falls closer to the Theodemocratic format that was proposed by Joseph Smith of the Church of Latter Day Saints.

TappingTheVein: Running a candidate ? very democratic. When said candidate is the polar opposite of democracy the result is not exactly democratic which is the point you seem to have difficulty with.

Sorry, you make no sense. The polar opposite would be them saying fark the election, we're getting guns and taking it.

Your *ahem* feelings towards certain populations is leading you to believe you can predict the future. It was a funny Chappelle skit, but no way to live life.

JackieRabbit: spentmiles: JackieRabbit: Isn't Arab Spring air so fresh and calming?

spentmiles: Better than having a bunch of militant Islamic whack balls in charge.

Yes, militant Ismamic whack glands will do just fine for now, don't you thing, spentmiles?

Masturbate much?

Is using two hands considered much?

I'd say you are going a tad bit overboard.

Call me when they have their second democratic election.
Same goes for Gaza.

Magorn: Despite having the name "Muslim" in their name, there is nothing about the Muslim Bortherhood that should be scary to the west. They are far more moderate than the Salafist parties that have been springing up lately, they are committed to electoral democracy, and are pretty decent practical polticians.

Don't throw such a wide net there, sane adult don't thinks having muslim in a name somehow makes it dangerous. Not everyone in the west is a christian conservative nut-bag.

HotWingConspiracy: TappingTheVein: Snarfangel: I really, really hope there is no violence. I don't want any Egyptians hurt, of course, but more selfishly, I have a very good friend visiting Israel and Egypt for the next two and a half weeks, and I don't want anything to happen to her

If she's visiting Israel first and then Egypt i would suggest not wearing anything with Hebrew letters or flags on bags and such. Egyptian mobs tend to get rapey.
I also suggest dressing modestly to prevent this.

Also, if she is black, she should probably ditch the Israel leg of the trip.

She's white, Catholic (more likely to wear a cross than anything with Hebrew lettering), and tends to dress like a school teacher, since that's what she is. :)

HotWingConspiracy: I thank you for proving my point. I even teed it up with you in mind. You're nothing if not predictable.

How stupid can you be if you can't understand that what will happen in a muslim brotherhood ruled Egypt will be the polar opposite of democracy even when the muslim brotherhood's candidate spells it out for you ?

Why are we (America) not putting a stop to this evil? Why are we not bringing them FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY?

kindms: "Moussa said the previously instituted constitutional panel was "unsatisfactory for many parties" because of the influence in it held by the Muslim Brotherhood."

Moussa caused mabbe one, two-y lettle bitty axadentes, huh? Yud-say boom da gassar, den crashin der boss's heylibber, Den banished.

TappingTheVein: Snarfangel: I really, really hope there is no violence. I don't want any Egyptians hurt, of course, but more selfishly, I have a very good friend visiting Israel and Egypt for the next two and a half weeks, and I don't want anything to happen to her

If she's visiting Israel first and then Egypt i would suggest not wearing anything with Hebrew letters or flags on bags and such. Egyptian mobs tend to get rapey.
I also suggest dressing modestly to prevent this.

Also, if she is black, she should probably ditch the Israel leg of the trip.

Sybarite: Seems like the military has managed to roll back almost every gain made by the revolution and Shafik's election would be the nail in the coffin.

Would you prefer that the Muslim brotherhood won the election? This way, Egypt MIGHT stay secular.

/ both are bad options; one, however, is slightly better than the other

"Moussa said the previously instituted constitutional panel was "unsatisfactory for many parties" because of the influence in it held by the Muslim Brotherhood."

The most important part of that story was the last line.

Hey Egyptian military, ya we really don't like the Muslim Brotherhood having a chance to grab this much power in your country, and if you like all that aid you are getting we think it is a good idea for you to dissolve parliament. Also if you could give us a new Mubarak that would be swell

-Signed USA

I really, really hope there is no violence. I don't want any Egyptians hurt, of course, but more selfishly, I have a very good friend visiting Israel and Egypt for the next two and a half weeks, and I don't want anything to happen to her. :(